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Look at what some people said about Glennon.. and compare that to what McCown is doing currently

MG makes very poor throws, in terms of he doesn't place the ball where the receiver can actually do something with it ... and he has very poor pocket presence

by SW Florida Bucsfan on Sep 8 2014, 1:25p

Poor ball placement makes it difficult to catch the ball, obviously, but even when the ball is caught, it forces the receiver to move in directions counter to the way the play is called and is supposed to run, which greatly limits yards after catch. The poor pocket presence causes Glennon to throw too quickly rather than move up into the pocket and go to his check-downs. I recall that Leo wrote of Glennon’s "phantom pass rush" that he seemed to be reacting to.

Neither of those factors have a thing to do with the quality of his supporting players.

Look at the film on Glennon and McCown last year during the regular season, and again this pre-season, and the same things keep happening over and over again on Glennon, while McCown is much better (which isn’t saying much – McCown is generally OK in both ball placement and pocket presence, but he clearly broke down several times yesterday before he finally shook it off and made those two touchdown drives near the end of the game.

Now, go watch game film of Drew Brees and Matt Ryan from yesterday’s game, and it’s a world of difference between them and McCown, let alone Glennon if he had played.

If Glennon was capable of learning, then why did he regress during his 13 starts last season? MG showed no sign of learning much of anything, and got steadily worse in terms of his passing accuracy, ball placement, and ability to deal with the pass rush.

McCowns generally quick decision making helped stop a few sacks.

by I am Dovahkiin on Aug 23 2014, 5:07p

He has pretty good ball placement under pressure.

And a QB's playmaking ability is also based on

by 4QB on Aug 20 2014, 3:47p

Read progression time, footwork mechanics, throwing mechanics, ball placement, understanding of concepts in offense, and timing etc. Those multitude of factors are what we’re criticing Glennon on, and are very relevant as to why he does poorly or why he does well in instances. Which, BTW, in turn translates to results on the field and further results in wins on the team schedule. Do you get it?

With MG, his problem was poor timing and poor ball placement ... the same problems he had last year

by SW Florida Bucsfan on Aug 10 2014, 8:38a

Even though Glennon completed some passes and toted up some yards, they were mostly on plays where the defense (all third and fourth string scrubs) completely blew their coverage. In a real NFL game with starters playing, there would never have been most of the completions that MG got in the game on Friday.

Some of those plays looked more like High School JV players out there, like that one long completion to Sims when there was nobody with 20+ yards of him. That is not reflective of NFL defenses. His one touchdown pass play worked, but it did not look pretty at all. In a real game it would not have been a completion, most likely.

JM looked much crisper on his ball placement.

That is also a reflection on Josh McCown's abilities

by SW Florida Bucsfan on Aug 6 2014, 12:55p

As Leo has shown us time after time in his game film analyses, the biggest difference between McCown and Glennon is that Josh, unlike Mike, has a feel for ball placement and the use of timing routes … putting the ball in a particular place where only his receiver can catch it in stride and just keep on running to the clear. MG simply has not shown any ability in that regard.

Matching up McCown’s ball placement skills, and his sense of timing and feel for the collapsing pocket with Jeff Demps ability to catch the ball in stride and leave every defender in his wake could make for some very exciting offensive plays this year (we won’t see that in pre-season, though).

The dude is careful, safe, and measured, but has no killer instinct in the pocket. He takes sacks, he throws it away, he checks down. He sucks on deep passes, he has poor ball placement, and is completely immobile. You know how you beat him last year? Blitz him and cover Vincent. Let him dink and dunk until he airmails one on third down and then catch the ensuing punt. And even though he’ll have more weapons moving forward, he’s still going to be very blitzable and still struggle against pressure/moving in the pocket/seeing ghosts. Not to mention his poor ball velocity, which is historically an indicator of poor play in the NFL.

We’re looking at two different guys here, though, and your insistence upon comparing to Freeman really distracts from talking about Glennon, as they’re two different players. No one gets awards, or wins, for being better than Josh Freeman. How you feel or felt about Josh Freeman has zero to do with Mike Glennon. Mike Glennon could have a 15 year career of being better than Josh Freeman, and that’s not going to make him the right quarterback for the Bucs or any team. Freeman was a gunslinger and a risk taker, with the potential to be so much more. Glennon is a limited athlete and prospect who’s cautious and methodical. If that’s your preference, that’s fine, but as far as I’m concerned, what you see from Glennon is what you’re gonna get. At his best, he’s going to be an Andy Dalton "get you to the playoffs and good luck from there" type of guy. (Obviously different skills wise than Dalton, just talking about general impact.)

For sure. Glennon did very little to help VJax with telegraphing where he was going with the ball. Then all too often the ball placement

by Chengdu Buc on Apr 5 2014, 4:43p

was low or behind. Having to break stride so many times, it is amazing VJax got over 1200 yards this past season.

Not twisting anything.

by jBen05 on Mar 2 2014, 8:54a

I said Glennon’s low YAC/completion was due to poor ball placement and you said Mike Williams was hurt. I know that Mike was hurt, still doesn’t change poor ball placement.

And how does that excuse poor ball placement by Glennon?

As Gur alluded to several times in his QB review articles...

by jBen05 on Mar 2 2014, 8:43a

Most YAC were severely limited by poor ball placement by Glennon.

In 2012 with a QB who has known accuracy issues, this same Bucs offense had 5.85 YAC/completion. That’s quite a bit better than the 4.19 Glennon had in 2013.

Sure the scheme will improve YAC just by adding more YAC favorable route concepts than what we had under Sullivan, but most of our YAC issues were due to poor ball placement by Glennon.

Stats can be deceiving.

by iwishwewerestillorange on Sep 15 2014, 10:41a

Same argument about Glennon last year. Just sayin. Mccown lost us the first game. And he threw a key pick in the rz. He’s also missing wide open receivers in the end zone or with lots of room for yac. It’s the same shit as Glennon does. Were payin him 5mil to do what Glennon could be doin.

No 32 offense in the league is what Glennon gave us last season ... with a better O-line than we have now

by SW Florida Bucsfan on Sep 11 2014, 11:21a

If you think being the worst in the entire league is good enough for the Bucs, you are mistaken.

We have to get better at the QB position to get better as a team. Josh McCown is not "the answer", any more than Mike Glennon is not the answer. Arguing over which mediocre quarterback is better is missing the point. Neither is good enough for the Bucs.

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