TE Chase Coffman signed by Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by Sander on Feb 21, 2012 5:26 PM EST
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PrintThe first free agent signing of the season is in effect: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have signed tight end Chase Coffman according to Howard Balzer of St. Louis' 101 ESPN. Chase Coffman was a star in college at Missouri, leading to his selection in the third round of the 2009 NFL draft by the Cincinnati Bengals. Coffman hasn't done anything in the NFL since then, however, and has a grand total of 3 receptions for 30 yards. Coffman was not on a roster last season.
Coffman is the son of Paul Coffman, three-time Pro Bowl tight end for the Green Bay Packers and Kansas City Chiefs. Chase Coffman may be best remembered from his appearance on the 2009 version of the TV show Hard Knocks, which chronicled that season's Cincinnati Bengals training camp. Interestingly Coffman is the third player I know of to have signed with the Bucs after appearing on 2009's Hard Knocks, as the Bucs have seen free agent Corey Lynch contribute for the past seasons, while fullback Chris Pressley was featured on the roster at times as well.
It's not clear what the terms of the contract are, but given Coffman's complete lack of production in the previous three years I would expect him to be little more than a camp body, likely signed to a reserve/future contract to keep him with the team throughout the offseason.
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I have no issue with this at all
Not going to give K2 a true competition in camp but it can’t hurt either. K2 has to know that his time in Tampa is almost over. Is this guy a good blocker at least? Does anybody now how he was in college?
So, from everything I've seen he is a possesion TE
Future replacement for K2? not even sure he will make the roster, if he does he would be situational at best I think.
I'm going to go with Sander's assessment,
And call him a camp body. If we’re able to bring in even some semi-decent TEs I think Coffman will be cut in a heartbeat. To go from a 3rd-round pick to not even being on anyone’s roster last year means the odds of him being a significant contributor (or any type of real contributor) are extremely slim.
Championship!
"Number one song and a Grammy, now I'm smashing
Maserati crashing, swerving through the traffic
Wrap it 'round a pole, sell a mil off the tragedy
I defy gravity "
To be honest you never say that until you see that. Just think
Wes Welker went to two different teams before becoming a star. A Closer look at the Bengals’ picks: Round 3/98 — Chase Coffman, TE, 6-6, 250, Missouri…Coffman was regarded as one of the best tight ends in the country. He had 90 receptions for 987 yards and 10 touchdowns last year. The biggest area that needs development is his blocking, skills that are lacking since he played in a spread offense during four years at Mizzou. Coffman though acknowledges those shortcomings and said he is ready to come in and show he can be a blocker.
Sure, he said that
That was three seasons ago. No team even took a flyer on him last season. I mean, he could suddenly develop into a star, theoretically, it’s just extremely unlikely.
Wait a minute...
At least Wes Welker was productive at MIA before he was traded. I have Sunday ticket & watched a lot of Bengals game (Because of Ochocinco) those years, Coffman was a bum. He wiffed on blocks, ran the wrong routes & dropped what little balls that was thrown his way. Chase “Benchwarmer” Coffman will be gone when it’s time to cut down to 53.
by InfamousHp on Feb 21, 2012 9:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that is total bullshit
he spent most of the time inactive. he has great hands, the coaches will tell you that. once they picked up the kid from OU they fell in love with him. he spent the first year with a foot problem.
can't we just pave over kansas?
Strange offseason
And so a long strange off season continues. Cheap @$$ Glazers at it again.
He's a camp body
You need those too. He’s not signed in lieu of possible starters. Free agency hasn’t even started yet.
Possible staters
When those camp roster spots are the only players the galzers sign all off season, then what? Oh yea same as last year.
Same old glazers
Does everybody on here have short memories. The bucs have the highest cap space year after year after year. And why, because these owners make hugh culverhouse look like a drunken billonaire spending someone else’s money.
That's unfair
During the Gruden/Allen era we gave a bunch of money to veterans who didn’t even deserve it, Charlie Garner anyone? We overpaid Galloway and countless others. Then they decided that plan didn’t work and decided to build through the draft with a young coach and new GM. If thats your plan you don’t buy free agents.
I’d bet quite a bit they add two starters in free agency this off-season.
by DraftPhantom on Feb 21, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
You realize that free agency (the part where you sign possible starters)
doesn’t start until next month right?
We want the ball, and we're gonna score!
The key is knowing WHICH F/As to sign...
which is clearly not Dom’s strong suit (assuming he even has one).
Maybe someone in that gaggle of assistants can step up and add something.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn't make them cheap but it just seems like the same old same old, rejects and practice squad players galore
by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 21, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well, sure, but that's his role
It’s not like they’re going to bring him in to start or probably even make the roster. But you need these players, too.
SMH
Could of went after Routt, but he is in KC now smh I am not seeing that aggressiveness we were promised for the off-season
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Yes, Stanford Routt
Did you really expect the Bucs to go after every possible player they could possibly sign? Are we really complaining that they didn’t go after a decent but unspectacular cornerback, while the cornerback market will be filled with quality starters? Wait for free agency to start before complaining about the lack of moves, at least.
You Always Try to Spin It
Just take the lost for once Sander… We need secondary help he’s a quality DB and if anything he could of been a Nickelback and it’s no guarantee that we are able to sign a top DB especially knowing the Glazers reps
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
The Bucs have a very good idea of who they can and can't sign at this point
That’s how NFL free agency works.
Freaking out over possibly not pursuing ONE player is ridiculous.
It's Not Freaking Out
It’s seeing a need at that position and pursuing it
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Which they will, undoubtedly. Again: free agency hasn't even started yet.
But you don’t need to chase every single possible player at that position to address it.
I get what you are saying, but...
How many DB’s will make it to free agency? Out of those how many fit the Buc’s “idea of who they can [..] sign”?
Maybe 1 or 2?
So, what happens when those FAs sign elsewhere? We cannot afford to be picky, we have holes that need to be filled. I would love them to be filled by top talent, but if we pass on decent talent and end up with nothing I will be very unhappy.
As I said: the Bucs know who they can and can't go after, by and large
That’s how free agency works in the NFL. And a lot of those players are likely to hit the market, really. Regardless, not pursuing Stanford Routt doesn’t really play into that. It’s one player. Feel free to freak out if free agency ends and the Bucs still have done nothing, but complaining about Routt? Way premature.
Plenty of options
If I had to guess (and this really is just a guess): one of Cortland Finnegan, Brandon Carr, Terrell Thomas, Aaron Ross, Rashean Mathis. If they cut Talib, which seems likely, I think they either draft another cornerback or sign another second-tier cornerback.
I’d also expect them to bring in a safety.
Sander you have to be a little concerned
Routt was taking interviews from small market teams. We went to Buffalo, Kansas, Cincy & Tennessee. He narrowed down his offers to Buffalo & Kansas. We know the outcome from there, but you mean to tell me we couldn’t have at least call him for an interview? I’m sorry but we can’t drag our feet like we did with the coaching hires, or those FAs you named will be gone.
by InfamousHp on Feb 21, 2012 9:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
^Typo^ "He went to Buffalo..."
by InfamousHp on Feb 21, 2012 9:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's quite possible that Routt...
didn’t even want to come here. We have a real black eye public-relations wise, and that will take some time to turn around.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 21, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
At Least You Guys See My Point
It’s not a guarantee that these best corners will even see FA and who says they want to come to Tampa Bay. We would have to do something the Eagles did last year and what the Knicks and Clippers are doing in the NBA bring in a big piece of talent and that shows your committed to at least winning and other big names will eventually follow. If you could sell a player on telling him look we’re after this Lombardi trophy and prove it others will flock. Routt signing would of been something small yes, but it would of at least showed we’re looking to improve shoot don’t even sign the guy just put your names in the mix and it shows at least your showing a commitment to the fans they hey we’re trying
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
I don't know about that.
$6 million a year for a CB like Routt isn’t really an overpay unless he constantly repeats last year’s performance. If he increases his discipline even slightly, he’ll be well worth it.
It’s also fair to point out that in the first 2 years he only makes about $10 million or so, giving him a $5 million average which can be considered an underpayment.
Not a bad contract structure to get some Brandon Carr insurance, since they can’t really afford to pay what Carr is going to be offered in the free market.
Would you pay Biggers that much?
That’s about how good he played last year. Gave up plays like he was a Buccaneer last season. I consider him slightly above average at best. yes, he would be a upgrade for us but not by much. I think Dom might actually have bigger names on his mind. Now if we don’t sign a CB in FA then yeah, we got issues.
Routt is significantly better than Biggers.
Last year Routt’s biggest problem was being undisciplined, which manifested itself in the 17 penalties against him. He still held opposing WRs to under 50% completions, despite almost always being matched up against the top WR.
Biggers gave up those same plays to guys who were 2nd, 3rd or even 4th reads. Big difference.
They both gave up big plays
I wouldn’t mind Routt here but I wouldn’t go out of my way to sign him either. Looks like Dom felt the same way.
That they did.
In Routt’s case it was a lack of discipline more than anything else, being combined with covering a teams #1 WR. Like I said, Biggers also surrendered big plays, but it was to options lower on the depth chart.
Hmmm sounds like Routt played exactly like Biggers last year huh?
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I blame that honestly on bad defensive play calling.
he had no business on the outside especially on man to man with no safety help.
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Which, in turn, makes...
Routt > Biggers.
Also, this just in: Our DBs suck
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I see what your saying but Biggers did play alot of Number 1 and 2 CBs throughout the year.
With little to no safety help. (Which I thought was stupid.)
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I think we Will go after Carr
KC won’t be in the sweepstakes for Carr if they let him walk so the Highest bidder is out of the question which can put the bucs in a very good position to get him….I also agree with sander because we don’t know what the bucs approach is to FA and the Draft maybe they only want to Sign 1 top tier corner and go after Claiborne or maybe they have there eyes sought on some certain individuals but we have to wait till FA starts.Personally I think Carr is better anyway…
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 21, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
We are gonna have to make the push...
early and often to land Brandon Carr. It will take more than just money – he will have to be sold on the “culture change” around One Buc Place.
Hopefully we have an ex-Chief on board that knew Carr back when. That kind of recruiting is what works.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
It may take more than money
but we need to overpay if that’s what it takes to get one of these guys. We just cannot afford to come out of free agency without AT LEAST a top tier corner.
Ill agree. Id rather miss on Routt and go after the other big fish in the market.
Why complain about Routt when we could get much better?
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Routt isnt the only CB on the free agent market.
Hes not even in the top 5 honestly. Too early to be panicking over us not landing him.
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Not really panicking, more he fit what we needed.
It’s foolhardy to think we would get two top tier FA’s. More likely a top tier and second tier. Routt was that second tier FA that we could have used. But there are others, hopefully we will pounce on one of them.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 11:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Some are. They think because we didnt get him that the Glazers wont spend money or FA's wont come here because Routt didnt come here.
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I dont put words in nobodys mouth.
And who actually who say that “I am in a panic because we didnt get Stanford Routt” ? Thats absurd. I never said anybody said they were panicking. You can tell by someones statements or reactions.
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Who is panicking?
I would not want Routt as our top CB, but I’m telling you we need 3 of them and Routt would have been a great fit as second corner.
The people who are complaining about us not landing Routt.
I understand the situation we are in. But there are PLENTY of better CBs available. He is not the only guy out there. FA hasn’t even started yet. Too early to be worried because we didnt sign him. Too early to say we missed out. We dont want to shortchange ourselves and get the first guy available. We want the best guys available and take it from there.
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No, we need to get 2 guys
And Routt would have been an excellent start. Count me among those complaining we didn’t even interview him.
Ok well Im so sorry to hear that. You can complain until the cows come home.
I want you to still complain until we get CBs in FA if thats what makes you feel better sir. Complain until after FA too that we didnt land Standford Routt
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I am on board with the contacting him thing...
as beggars cannot be choosers – and we need to improve wherever, and whenever we can.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
yea we could have contacted him. Should have but im not going to panic because we didnt yet though.
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Routt may have said "Hell No"...
and I suppose we would never hear about that, but Dom has historically sat on his hands during the prior F/A signing periods, and in his pursuit of others, so it’s easy to assume he is not trying very hard.
If he were a little smarter, he would at least show publically that he was trying to do his job a little bit better.I would.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
It was a chance to get things rolling on the right foot
It isn’t a disaster or anything, but they should have made a move.
And what are you talking about this we need 3 cornerbacks stuff.
We need two starters at CB. You just WANT 3 CBs.
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I think you are the only one who truly believes that.
A nickle CB is not a necessity. Especially when we have 4 other CBs that can play the position.
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4 others? Who?
Biggers was the best of the bunch and he’s terrible. Lewis is a bust. Gaitor has shown nothing. Mack won’t be given a new contract.
So who are going to be the back ups then?
If none of them are to your liking then we NEED 5-6 CBs instead of this 3 CBS that you claim we need.
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NOWHERE did I say cut them
I said they’re fine as depth, but we need 3 new corners ahead of all of them.
So if they are fine as backups dont say that none of them should play nickle.
Nickle is generally a back up position you know.
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Not in the modern NFL it isn't
How often do teams play 3 WR sets these days? Lots. And what QBs are we playing 6 times a year? Pretty good ones.
Not really anymore.
I understand what you are saying, but teams run a lot more 3 receiver sets than they used to. And with teams like the Giants, Packers, Saints, Cowboys, and others, it is important to have 3 capable corners.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 12:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No i totally understand that.
Thats why I said generally. Im just not seeing the NEED to get a FA to play nickle cb. Too much emphasis on that position. We need two starters. The CBs we have right now are fine at least for this year at nickle.
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Not saying you are wrong but which one are you saying could play nickel?
Assuming Talib and Ronde are gone, is it Biggers, Mack, or Lewis?
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 12:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I would say any could.
I would assume Biggers because he was the best player out the bunch.
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Any could, yes. But, to me, none would be effective.
My best bet is Gaitor, that’s why I didn’t include him. Biggers doesn’t have short area quickness. Lewis can’t stay healthy and is too slow. Mack is just Mack…. maybe Gaitor can overachieve and win the nickel job.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 12:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
true. he could.
I just think biggers could too. hes no bum. hes no star either but he was checking number 1 recievers that made him look very bad.
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Biggers and Lewis may not be starting-caliber CBs,
But they’re certainly good enough to handle backup roles.
Until they get weeded-out...
they will have to do as back-ups.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with aakks
Most teams in the league run 3 receiver sets more often than not. We need a capable nickel guy.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Routt seemed as if he already had an idea of were he wanted to play.
We have to be realistic here guys we may have to “over pay” a couple of these top FA’s to get them to come play here. With that said, what in the hell was Al thinking when he gave Routt all that money; that was head scratcher.
by ctd1977 on Feb 21, 2012 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously
Are you going to make this site a “complaint-fest”? Free agency hasn’t even started!! Please hold your complaining at least til draft and free agency are over. There’s always going to be a few complainers. Even if bucs make playoffs in 2012!!
by gmaz1 on Feb 22, 2012 12:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's Not Complaining When Your Right
If you actually took time to read what I wrote I said at least throw our names in the hat to at least show we’re trying to pursue “a big name” Routt is a B maybe B+, but at least say we made an attempt at him wasn’t a guarantee he comes here and if he does then hell play in at the Nickel and still go w/ the original game plan. I was saying at least make it seem from a media standpoint that we’re pursing “top” guys and he was listed as one of those guys we might not agree on it, but most say he was. At the end of the day I am saying put our names in the hat at least make it look like we’re spending money and not only on practice squad players
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
If we HAD gotten Routt,
It would have been a waste to put him at nickel. His best seasons came when playing the #2 CB in Oakland, and that is where he would excel. Were we to have gotten him, we were looking at options like drafting Claiborne and focusing FA money on other positions, or bringing in a 1st or 2nd-tier CB to pair with Routt and go after Blackmon, Kalil, Richardson, or maybe even Reily Reiff.
Both would have been legitimate options, but I’d rather we took Claiborne and paired him with someone like Carr. We have Biggers to play nickel, and that’s something he can do fairly well.
While I see your point that at least speaking to him lets the fan base know our front office is at least interested in spending money, I don’t think they should do things just because it would have a positive reception.
We could sign a FA CB & still draft one
Remember Talib might be in jail or the very least cut/traded. Barber has one foot out the door facing retirement. So IF we managed to sign Routt, that doesn’t mean we can’t go after another FA (Carr) or draft Claiborne. We need 2 CBs desperately, Biggers is a nickel back at best right now. But more importantly DeLaNegro’s point was correct, it’s more than just the fans & media perception. If other players see that our ownership is willing to spend money & attempt to move in the right direction that could sway some talent to come play for us. All we had to do was just put our name in the hat & interview Routt, nothing more nothing less it.
by InfamousHp on Feb 22, 2012 2:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't say pursuing Routt would stop us from looking at other CBs
If you re-read it, you’ll see I said it would have given us options. I know we need 2 starting CBs, and specifically mentioned both drafting Claiborne to pair with Routt, or picking up another 1st or 2nd-tier CB to pair with him ;)
Am I the only one who doesn't want to see Biggers in the nickel?
I think he’s depth and nothing more.
That is the only place I want to see him...
as he is no starting CB – for this team or any other.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think he can play Nickel
I think he’s a better fit on the outside, but still is nowhere near a starter even there. He’ll get eaten alive in the Nickel.
If you want to see "eaten alive"...
put him outside up against Andre Johnson, Vincent Jackson, or basically anybody. Bernard Berrian could tear him up.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
There is no cure for "Biggers Blues"...
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
We clearly need 2 CB starters...
thanks to Talib’s malfeasance. Let Ronde, Biggers, Gaitor, Lewis and Elbert Mack slug it out to fill the back-up spots.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I honestly don't want any of those guys in the Nickel
except maybe Barber for another year as a stop gap. Mack won’t be resigned imo. The others guys will slug it out for the backup spots.
Barber doesn't have the short area quickness anymore.
His instincts help, but he has slowed down considerably. I watched him get toasted on quick outs several times last season.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 10:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I wish we could. We need three.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 10:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Been saying that the entire offseason :)
Half the reason I’m ticked we didn’t go after Routt. Routt/Finnegan/Claiborne would have been killer.
That would have been amazing.
Competition breeds excellence. And having two established corners to compete with Claiborne would bring out the best in him. Either he works the nickel while he learns the game, or steps his game up and earns a starting spot. It reminds me of when we drafted Talib, he didn’t have to jump into the starting role.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 10:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yep it would be perfect
And corners, even great ones, can take a bit of time to adjust to the NFL.
Hey maybe we’ll get Grimes/Finnegan/Claiborne or something. I doubt it, but tis the season for hope!
Talib really is an important part of the offseason.
If he is able to stay, we could get a top tier corner and hopefully draft Claiborne. Talib would play better against #2 receivers, and his gambling would have better chances against #2’s.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Anthony Gaitor...
is the only one that could develop further. I can’t see Biggers, Mack or Lewis getting any better than they currently are. Not very good.
They have all been in the league long enough to have reached whatever peak they have.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping Mack and Lewis are cut.
And we at least bring in a late round corner, regardless of how free agency or the early part of the draft goes. A raw corner with physical skills that can be given time to grow.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 10:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Mack won't be resigned
Lewis/Biggers/Gaitor will likely get another year. Personally I’ve seen absolutely nothing from Gaitor to give me any confidence, but I’d like to see what he does with new coaches. He was just a rookie in a terrible situation.
Lewis was a wasted 3rd Round pick...
and knew it when it happened. Rah doesn’t know sh*t about analyzing, picking and coaching up his DBs – it supposedly was his strength.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely, I think he's a bust, and I think it was predictable
Some day I’m going to have to go back to that live draft thread on here when he was picked. I think I went nuts with anger. Would be funny to see now.
Most of the anger in that thread came because people didn't know who he was
Which I thought was a little silly. Regardless, it’s easy to say he was a bad pick – but Lewis did flash a lot of the talent and physicality needed to succeed in his rookie season. He was just extremely raw. You could see why he was picked where he was. He just hasn’t developed.
Also the idea that Raheem is a bad DB coach is ludicrous.
I looked at the rest of the corners picked after him.
Only Alterraun Verner has amounted to anything. And pretty much every corner in that draft has underachieved or been a bust. I don’t really blame Raheem or Dominic for the pick. We needed a corner, they picked one that was raw and needed work. Injuries slowed him way down, and he never developed.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 11:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Let's see what he does...
with the mighty Redskins. The DEF blew up after Monte Kiffin left – so every assistant that had remained was/is suspect. This includes mighty Rah…
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I can't wait to see Rah's first chest bump as a Redskin
haha
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 11:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe people, outside of you...
might also know a little something. I thought Lewis was a huge mistake, and I was very vocal in saying so. Give credit where credit is due…
Raheem has shown absolutely nothing to warrant is “defensive backfield genius” tag and don’t have any earthly idea why you think he was anything positive – at all.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
So the fact that he was an excellent DB coach before becoming a head coach means nothing?
And on what basis did you think Lewis was a huge mistake? Because you didn’t know him? That’s not analysis, that’ s just knocking someone because you don’t know anything about them.
An equal argument could be made...
That Monte Kiffin had his hand in everything, scheme changes, game time adjustments, etc. and Rah was just along for the ride because Monte could not be everywhere all of the time.
My argument explains our noticable drop in the defensive effectiveness. Does yours?
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
You seem to be confusing defensive backs coach and defensive coordinator
What about the fact that when Raheem Morris and Mike Tomlin left in ’06, the secondary sucked. When Raheem Morris returned, the secondary suddenly did very well.
How about the fact that Morris had little trouble immediately finding another job. How about the fact that everyone who actually has any knowledge of what he did as a DB coach praises him as a terrific DB coach?
I’m sorry, I see 0 evidence to believe he’s a bad defensive backs coach. He didn’t do well as a head coach, that says nothing about his skills as a position coach.
As I said earlier...
let’s watch him weave his magic up in WAS. Until I see something tangible that actually alters my perception, I will continue to believe he is a turd.
You may continue your Homerism, and I will continue my “you wasted 3 years of my teams life” anti-Rah negativity.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Greg Olson also found a job quickly...
so I have no idea where you were goi ng with that one. Olson actually found one first.
Ha.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it was his choice? Funny...
My point is, even if you completely suck it, if you are reasonably young and experienced, somebody will likely take a chance on hiring you.
Such is the way…
by Cracker Ball on Feb 23, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
We need two starters, we can't put faith in Talib.
Hopefully he gets his act together. I’m wondering if Gaitor could turn into a nickel corner. He is undersized, but quick, very instinctive, hard nosed, and a pretty good tackler and blitzes off the corner. I would like to see him with a full offseason and preseason of playing time.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
We need two starters this year. Definetly.
We can do ok with the Cbs right now as back up roles.
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Look who was helping him over the top.
A rusty Jackson and Sean Jones. And alot of times he was one on one with number 1 receivers by himself. Biggers/Lewis/Mack/Gaitor can play nickel or dime. What you want to do cut all 4 backup CBs and stick with Routt/Claiborne/Finnergan? Are oyu serious? This is not Madden. its unrealistic.
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What's unrealistic about that?
A first tier corner, a second tier corner, and a first round draft pick.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 11:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
What word did I put in your mouth?
I asked you a question. I ASKED… What you want to do cut all 4 backup CBs and stick with Routt/Claiborne/Finnergan? And you did say you wish Mack and Lewis are cut, and you said you wanted Routt/Claiborne/Finnergan. So Thats why I asked the question because who would be backups on your “wish list”? You did acknowledge that they including Biggers will likely be back even though you dont want Biggers playing the nickel either. So what is it? You having some serious pipe dreams right now.
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No I did not
I said Mack would be the only one gone because it was his contract year. I said repeatedly Biggers, Gaitor, and Lewis will all be given a shot this year to make the team. And I said Biggers was fine AS DEPTH, but I don’t want him starting, and I don’t want him in the Nickel. That means we need 3 corners. One to replace Talib. One to replace Barber. One to replace Mack, who should be better than Biggers. I never, ever said cut the rest of them, and specifically said the opposite.
That is putting words in my mouth. You do it all the damn time.
And I’ve repeatedly said that I don’t expect us to get all 3 this year. My comments are no more pipe dream than yours, where you say we’ll get Finnegan and Carr so we can pick Richardson.
No pipe dream on my part because its more realistic than your "wishes"
And you just wanted to metion Richardson to deflect from the original point so im not going to address that. Ill just wait til draft day to say that I told you so.
It was falsk kiley who sauid they should be cut. so it wasnt you. i stand corrected. Regardless you keep complaining about the backups being backups. And it looks preety similar which is why i asked the question. If you complain about them as backups why keep them?
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What wishes are you even talking about?
You’re just making crap up now. What wishes? Seriously? Tell me what the hell you’re talking about. My “wish” is for us to grab a top tier corner in FA, draft Claiborne, and pick up a second tier corner LIKE ROUTT to replace Mack who has not earned a new contract. That isn’t even remotely a pipe dream.
And you keep them because you can’t get 6 superstar corners, but I sure as hell don’t want one to be on the field unless someone is injured.
yea you wished for Routt and it didnt come true.
Funny thing is you didnt even choose to want to grab the best CB in FA. seriously man. FA hasnt started yet. Calm down. We have time to target as many CBS as you want. Just remember on draft day Ima shout you out.
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Shout me out for what?
I’ve said for a long time that I’m fine with Richardson IF we grab two top tier corners in free agency. That is exceedingly difficult to do, which is why I thought we should target one top tier and one second tier and grab Claiborne.
So how is my outlook that we will get 2 FA CBs and richardson so farfetched then?
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I said it is more farfetched than mine
Because I said get 1 top tier and 1 second tier corner via free agency, where as you want 2 top tier corners in free agency. That is more far fetched because it is a lot harder to grab two from a small pool at the top than 1 of the great ones and another guy on the second tier.
And the only reason I'm not calm is because of the crap you keep tossing out
I’m not ‘panicking’ because we didn’t go after Routt. I just think we made our lives a whole lot harder.
well if your not panicking then you just arent. you dont have to prove it to me.
i dont toss out no crap. im just being realistic. FA aint even start yet. When the CB list keeps decreasing and we dont get none then we can REALLY Complain.
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I'm betting you will get the last laugh in draft day.
I really see T Rich coming to Tampa. And what gets commonly mistaken for dislike of Richardson is the wanting of Claiborne. I don’t want Claiborne because I dislike Richardson, it’s just my opinion that we need a CB more. At the end of the day I would be ecstatic if we got either. With a top five pick, we can’t miss on it. Richardson is the closest thing to a sure thing in this draft.
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 12:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I will.
I will be at the draft live so make sure you tune in to see me celebrate us getting him lol.
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That's legit.
Be a baller and get a Tampa Richardson jersey made predraft and wear it to the draft. You would be sure to get on tv… :)
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 12:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yea somebody made a Trent Rcihardson train logo
im making it a shirt lol. I was on TV the year we drafted McCoy. They showed me on the last pick standing next to some Saints fan. lol
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I will loan you my Haynesworth jersey...
if you want to have beer thrown on you.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
and i feel you. Thats legit.
Some just dont want Richardson because hes a RB.
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Did we both just type that's legit without knowing the other did?...weird...
by flash_kiley on Feb 22, 2012 12:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Me
I just don’t want him that high though. If we could somehow trade down into the teens and still get him I’d be ecstatic ;)
I See I Made This Into A Debate
But regardless of that fact I agree that Biggers is no Nickel that’s why I said Routt should of been the Nickel and Biggers could be the Dime. It’s possible to get 3 DB’s, but now looking at the market it’s deep, but not that deep. We could get the 3 DB’s w/o the draft by going Finnegan/Carr or Grimes, and Hayden or Jason Allen. Both are good talents still both could fill that Nickel slot and be very good at it. There are three positions in this league you can’t have enough of DB’s, OL, and DL
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
My Fault For Back 2 Back Post
But I forgot who said it earlier outside of me I know the only way now we’re going to be able to lure big names in is signing a big name WR first w/ a Big Name DB. We have to land 2 Big Names in FA to get the rest of the market to say hey lets go to Tampa Bay. If we only land one Big Name and a bunch of compliments then we better make it count. Bowe or V. Jackson and Finnegan are the keys to getting second tier players into Tampa Bay. Like last yr with Philly it was Cullen Jenkins and Nnamdi which also brought Babin, Ronnie, and V. Young. We don’t need to over pay, but 2 players Finnegan and our WR
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
he likes to double back in the draft maybe he will do it in FA
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Scoff
We can’t even build a time machine to move forward to Free Agency and sign all of the best players before other teams get the chance?
The Glazers SUCK! Rabble, rabble, rabble….
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Never say never...
Football players are people too; you don’t just wake up on day and forget how to play football; there could’ve been things going on off the field that prevented him from developing in the NFL up to this point. Sometimes all it takes is for the right situation to come into play. Maybe he’s a late bloomer; we’ll se come training camp. I’m pulling for to make the team.
by ctd1977 on Feb 21, 2012 7:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I just saw I highlight film.
Dude can hurdle!!!
by bucswillwin on Feb 21, 2012 7:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
chase coffman
Why is the signing of some nobody such a big item we continue to go down this road with this team. castoff players seem to be of great importance at one buc place, sign someone of substance and let’s start turning this clown show around.
Stocker should realize
He’s in a position to put some pressure on K2, competition is key in-house fellas
by GoBuxGo on Feb 21, 2012 8:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He's not, really
Stocker is a versatile tight end. Winslow is a receiving threat in the way that Stocker probably never will be. While they play the same position, they play different roles.
yea K2 doesnt threaten anyone anymore
by GoBuxGo on Feb 21, 2012 8:29 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
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