Mel Kiper's Buccaneer prediction.
by Davey Boi Sully on Feb 19, 2012 3:31 PM EST
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Alright so Mel Kiper Jr. thinks the Bucs are going to draft Trent Richardson with the 5th overall pick. Even though we already have a 1000 yard rusher with potential starting but in the defensive backfield we are expected to lose two starters at CB for some or all of the 2012 season. This makes no sense at all considering the Bucs will not have a true number one CB if Barber leaves and Talib is punished. You would seriously pass on the top CB prospect in the draft belonging in a division with Drew Brees - Matt Ryan -Cam newton?? don't even let me list the WR's our CB's have to cover on those teams. So for my two cents and I'm sure for 75% of Buccaneer fans out there YOU WOULD NEVER pass on Morris Claiborne in the 2012 NFL draft if he is still available at 5th. If he isn't you might even trade down some around 10th-13th to get the second top CB ranked because once in the second round, Already being at 5th again you can take RBs David Wilson, Lamar Miller or Doug Martin and still have Morris Claiborne as your new toy. So Mel give me some of all that money you make because I'm no Paid expert and even I can figure it out.....LOL
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Thank you for compressing what we've been saying for the past month into one post.
"Number one song and a Grammy, now I'm smashing
Maserati crashing, swerving through the traffic
Wrap it 'round a pole, sell a mil off the tragedy
I defy gravity "
Please see my fanpost about the tampa bay offense vs defense.
I mean really some of yall are too parinod and forgetting the depth of FA CB’s available and the fact that the run defense was the worst unit on the team. We were not getting fried by any NFC south team in the air like you think. They ran all over us. Why on earth do you think a rookie CB is going to shut down WR’s immediatley? Even if he was this “shutdown corner” what about our tackling? If they cant throw on us they sure can run all over us. o then we end up drafting at number 5 again next year. Seriously, evaluate the depth at FA and the draft for CBs.
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They ran *and* passed all over us
And they did that while the Bucs had both Ronde and Aqib, both of whom are likely NOT back next season. Yet you continue to somehow think the pass defense is just fiiiine.
Which is kind of a ridiculous argument considering the fact that the run offense was fine, too.
I never said that the pass defense would be fine. Never even said that it was fine either.
What i said was that the pass defense was not the worst unit on the field. Yes i know Talib and Barber may not come back. Still the fact remains that the run defense was and still will continue to be the weak point on defense, and its has been for a while. Acknowledge the main problem. And our run offense was not fine. it was below average and the numbers back that up. So your argument is ridiculous.
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We basically suck across the board...
and the OFF will be healthy before the DEF. Need F/A signings to improve the DEF.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
With the right signings each side can be improved. We just need to plug in a few more pieces on both sides and it looks like we will have good coaches for them. Plus what we do already have we can improve very much.
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*Both* the run defense and pass defense were equally terrible
And given the fact that the run defense actually did well early in the season when everyone was healthy (which the pass defense never did), that is most certainly not the biggest problem.
All teams have to deal with injuries...
but it exposed the fact the we have absolutely no depth.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, and the Bucs need to add depth
But it’s easier to fix that run defense than it is the pass defense, if Talib and Ronde both leave.
If its so easy to fix the run defense why hasnt it been done for the pass 3 seasons?
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It must not be that easy.
And there are plenty of other teams that have worse secondary than us but they are still making the playoffs and winning super bowls. The difference is they arent last in the league in stopping the run.
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There's one team with an arguably worse pass defense that made the playoffs
And that was the Patriots. Because they have a ridiculous passing offense.
Plenty of teams with a worse pass defense in the NFL? Winning Super Bowls even? Nonsense.
Lions? Packers? Giants? Saints?
Are you serious? Three of them won the past super bowls. So what are you even talking about? Pure baloney.
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Are you joking?
You honestly think those three teams had worse pass defenses in the seasons they won the Super Bowl than the Bucs did this past season?
I’m out, man. That’s so delusional it’s not even worth discussing.
No i am talking about this year.
Those those teams had worse pass defenses than the Bucs, they all made the playoffs this year, and they won the past three super bowls as you mentioned that is all that matters. But to be even more technical The Giants won the super bowl this year and they had a worse pass defense than us so what can you say about that? NOTHING. So see you later Sander. I know you dont have anything else to say. Sorry I had to school you as usual. And I truly do apologize in advance for any further dicussions you end up losing to me.
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Those teams did not have worse pass defenses than the Bucs
They gave up more total yards through the air. There’s a difference, but one you don’t seem to be capable of understanding.
No you are just misinterpreting whats clearly in your face.
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I know this is mostly a two person conversation but i'm still going to chime in...
dcbucsfan, you couldn’t be more wrong and you ARE misinterpreting stats. Although the Lions, Packers, Giants, and Saints gave up a ton of yards, the Bucs clearly had one of the worst passing defenses in the league…like 3 worst bad. Evidence: According to ESPN, the Bucs allowed opponents to complete 62.6 of all passes (6 th highest), allowed the 2nd highest amount of yards per catch (8.2 yards), allowed 3rd highest amount of TD’s from passes, and gave up on average a 97.2 opponent passer rating (3rd worst in the league)!!!!
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
According to ESPN, New England and Green Bay were worse.
They let opponents score seemingly at will. The thing with them is that they had great offenses to pull out wins.
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
Green Bay DEF had takeaways...
I think they led the NFL in INTs. So we are worse than they are – they actually have a positive stat.
Stop it.
Run defense was last and the pass defense wasnt so how is that equal? both were bad yes but regardless the run defense was much worse. And you saying that the pass defense was bad all year? Why so? Please explain. I’m going to catch you contradicting yourself one way or another Sander.
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First it was equal, no its minimal?
Which one is it? Your flip flopping.
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I'm not flip-flopping
Unless you think I originally meant that the run and pass defense were exactly equally inept in every single way, which is ludicrous.
Thats what you just said.
Dont try and change your wording. You said quote "*Both* the run defense and pass defense were equally terrible ".
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And please dont try and avoid the points sir.
You saying that the pass defense was bad all year? Why so? Please explain. I’m going to catch you contradicting yourself one way or another Sander.
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Oh no, I'm so scared of your threat of 'catching me'
And yes, I am saying that the pass defense was bad all year long.
Ok I'm glad that your not scared. Im proud of you sir.
So riddle me this? Why was the pass defense bad all year long?
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The giants secondary is filled with first and second round draft picks though
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 20, 2012 1:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ok i agree with that. No doubt about it. The safties definetly were the worst in my opinion.
Now back to Talib just to clarify, he had a decent year and had two outstanding games which i agree with but you are saying that he didnt struggle or play bad any time this year?
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No, I am not saying that
He struggled at times, especially early on. He was injured too often. When he was healthy overall he was pretty good, though.
See you know you done messed up right?
I knew I was going to get you right? I remember a specific thread were we got into a debate about Aqib Talib. And you said that he never struggled at all during all during the season. So you just contradicted yourself as usual. When I said he did struggle early in the season you thought I was crazy. See how you do? SMH.
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I'm going to roll my eyes again, as you pull quotes out of context to try to 'get me'
Instead of actually trying to have a conversation. Your preoccupation with ‘getting me’ is getting rather tiresome.
When I said that, it was in a debate where your opinion that Talib struggled this season. When you used the word ‘struggled’ earlier on, you used it in reference to his entire season, and that’s what I objected to. He had a good year, but had a few lapses early on.
I actually thought Sander was a Talib hater
so I couldn’t envision him defending him very hard. Just don’t get yourself banned over a moot point. Combine and free agency will give a better idea which way the Bucs are leaning. Either way we get a top notch player, no reason to beat each up over something neither of you have any control of.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I really hope Schiano lets him start with a clean slate
if he doesn’t go to jail. The size, athleticism, and talent are there but he was a young rich bonehead. I’m sure not everyone that bashes him online has perfect track records but just my opinion.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I would hope that i dont.
We just having a conversation. I dont think im out of bounds for the things I have said nor do I think he was either. Just a little heated debate is all.
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No need to roll your eyes. This is your words. I dont try and "get you"
But you do contradict yourself quite a bit. And if I see it I’m going to respectfully call it out. As I would hope you would do if I did.
This is your quote word for word on the fanpost 2012 Buccaneers.
“Talib never struggled He had two great games, and was good but not great the rest of the way.”
And this is a conversation im not trying to deflect from anything but this is a contradiction i noticed.
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I'm just glad you actually gave him credit
for the GB and Tennessee game. Yes he had an off year, he still scored more touchdowns than Rejus Benn and one less than Mike Williams smh.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Exactly Thats why I had a change of heart
I like Trent But we can do without him especially if Like reports have said we are going after Mike Tolbert.We need Claiborne.
Do you guys realize that right Now at this moment Ej Biggers and Myron Lewis are Starting CB’s right now that spells disaster.Ronde can’t make up his mind Talib most likely is going to jail even if he doesnt i dont think he’ll be back on this team,and its not a 100% guarantee tat we will get any Elite CB in FA.
So if Claiborne is there at 5 we have to take him 1)because he will probably be a pro bowler,2)CB’s shelf life,3)Our personal needs,4)his Talent and 5)He’s familiar with Julio who will probably be the best WR in our Division sooner or later.
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 19, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
The only way we will be getting Tolbert is if they will make him a FB.
We is a big body and a short yardage runner who can block.
Second We have the same possibility of Biggers and Lewis being our starters as Kregg Lumpkin does as our 3rd down back and possibly our starting RB if Blount goes down, gets benched again, or we just pass the ball every down. I truly believe that we will address CB in the FA before the draft. And the reasons why you say Claiborne will be to us really have no signifigance excpet for his talent which is first, and our needs second. Us drafting Claborne to stop Jones is crazy and yes CBs have a long shelf life but they also take longer to get use to the NFL that other players.
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Id rather have lumpkin again then myron lewis STARTING..
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 19, 2012 7:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That is like asking someone...
which baseball bat you want to be hit with.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ill take the little league stick
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 19, 2012 11:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Bucs allowed 30 touchdowns through the air, ranked 29th in the league. They allowed 7.6 net yards per attempt, 31st in the league
And that’s good? Give me a break.
I never said it was good. And yes that stat is bad but you named two stats in the pass defense that they were bad in but not EVERY stat in the pass defense where they at the bottom.
And i have put them up. Now EVERY stat in the run defense they are at the bottom. Either the worst or amongst the worst. And they gave up 26 TDs on the ground. 156 yards a game. 55.0 ypc and 135 first downs.
And thats not worse than our pass defense? Give me a break.
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Name one *rate* stat on pass defense where they were not near the bottom
Note I said rate stat, not cumulative stats as the latter are horribly biased by opportunity.
Its an official stat.
And the most important one. Nobody cares about a rate stat from an unofficial site.
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"Nobody" would include NFL teams who use that 'unofficial' site to consult with them, then?
“Yards per game” is not a rate stat. But it appears you don’t know what a rate stat is. Let me explain: it’s a stat that functions independently of frequency of use. Yards per game is highly dependent on how often a team runs or passes. Hence, it’s a reflection more of situation and playcalling than of actual quality.
I know what it is and its not an important stat concerning this topic.
It doesnt matter who consults with who.They are gathering official information and breaking it down even further and DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU ARE BREAKING DOWN IT COULD BE USEFUL. But not this one. It appears that you are stuck in this one stat as the creme de la creme of stats because you are the one using it. Yards per game and other “official stats” trump your little rate stat from your unofficial site.
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You keep saying it's not an important stat, yet you offer no evidence whatsoever
I’ve repeatedly explained to you how cumulative stats are not indicative of actual quality, because they are distorted by situations and use, rather than representing actual quality of play. Your argument consists of “Nuh-uh” and shouting the word “UNOFFICIAL” over and over again.
When, in fact, yards per attempt is actually an ‘official’ statistic. So suck on that.
Look, it’s fine that you don’t understand how statistics work, but don’t try to then pass that off as “uninmportant” based on your own ignorance.
No its not that i am ignorant its the fact that you think you are the next John Madden or something because you throw out an unimportant stat that really doesnt even say much.
I have used official stats (and more than one to explain why our defense was terrible) Stop ignoring the facts to make yourself look like you know what you are talking about because you dont. You cant even give the courtesy to even acknowledge the fact that the stats i put up are true.
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I've repeatedly explained to you why these statistics do matter
You have offered no evidence whatsoever that they are not. Until you do, I am done talking to you about this subject.
I have offered evidence clear as day but you continue to not acknowledge them so thats on you.
I would wave the white flag too if I were you too. LOL
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Yes, and I've explained over and over why those stats aren't relevant
And your responses consist of the equivalent of “nuh-uh”.
I dont use "nuh uh" in my vocabluary.
and once again if you refuse to acknowledge the stats thats fine. But you cant say that anything i put up was wrong. You may think its irrelavant but thats just how you feel.
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"the equivalent of"
You have some kind of reading disability?
Also I never said the stats you put up were wrong. I am saying that they don’t mean what you think they mean. Whether you “feel” they do or not is irrelevant.
No. Do you? I dont say "nuh uh" thats what little babies say.
If you use quotation marks that is a quote not an equivelent of. So if its not my exact words dont put it in quotation marks. And no need to offend people who actually do have reading disabilities. Thats not right. Thats not right at all and you know it.
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No, I said "the equivalent of "nuh-uh""
Quotation marks do not signify a direct quote, it all depends on the context of the sentence.
By the way, I don't know why you think I"m saying the run defense was good
Because I never said anything remotely like that.
We did have a couple good games early in the year then mccoy went down and it all went downhill
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 19, 2012 7:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That was a rhetorical question.
You continue to say that the pass defense and run defense was equal and it wasnt. And the stats prove it. Its funny how you are still trying to defend this
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Its not incredibly stupid.
Its the easiest way to break down an specific unit on the team. If you want to get more in depth then the innovate stats would help depending on what you are talking about. Its incredibly stupid that you are still ignoring the obvious.
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Yes it is. Your just overthink it way too much.
Nothing innaccurate with the official stats given.
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They're not inaccurate, they just don't say what you think they say
There’s a difference. Yes, it’s an easy number to point to – but numbers can be misrepresented and misapplied, as you are doing.
Nothing misrepresented or missapplied at all
Like i said before if the run game had a yard per carry average of 7.6 doesnt mean they had the best run game in the league. If they didnt have as many yards or attempts as other teams its not really important. So you keep saying that the defense had a 7.6 net yard per attempt average is misreprestented and missapplied. It is one marginal stats at best. And it doesnt tell the whole story abouyt the defense as the other stats I put up do.
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The Bucs' run game averaged 4.2 yards per carry, 16th in the league
What the hell are you smoking and can I have some?
No you cant have what I'm smoking sir lol
And i was using the 7.6 net per yard attempt for running as an example to show you how its not the most important stat to use. Our ypc was 4.2 per carry but yet we were at the bottom in yards and yes attempts too but we were at the top of the league in fumbles even though we didnt run that much. So overall it wasnt that good as you make it to be. The run game was just average in yards per carry. And 16th its just average.
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You type this, yet you don't understand the mental error you're making
The Bucs were at the bottom in total yards because they didn’t run it often, not because they didn’t run it well enough. The fumbles weren’t an issue until very late in the season. \
And sure, the run game was average – which is vastly better than any other facet of the team.
They didnt run it enough nor did they run it well enough. It was average when it was run.
Good at times and bad sometimes. Overall it was average. But the Bucs were at the bottom in total yards because the whole offense stunk. Fumbles were a problem the whole 10 game losing streak stretch. No mental errors here sir.
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and actually we werent in the bottom in total yards either by the way.
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We were in the bottom in yards because Olson quit running the ball
and our offense continuously turned the ball over. Give Blount a year or two under this Byner and watch out. Trent could be special under this tutelage as well though.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
we werent the bottom in total yards we were in the middle.
However we were last in rushing yards because we stopped running. I say half was on coaching and half was on lack of yards on runs early on that made them abandon the run as well.
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We were talking about rushing yards when we said 'total yards'
That should be extremely obvious from context.
im being technical because if i misspeak you will be quick to point it out
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The last time...
The last time the Bucs drafted a RB that high was Cadillac which I believe the Glazers were the owners then. So with that in mind I really think they’ll go top CB this time because many first round Rbs do not have nearly the success rate of the first round corners. Only one RB is first round worthy there will be a damn good selection left in the second round PERIOD.
by Davey Boi Sully on Feb 19, 2012 4:03 PM EST reply actions
I don't think were gonna get any fa corners. Its nice to think finnegan or carr would come down here but well be in a fight with 6 or 7 teams for them and most likely won't win.
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 19, 2012 4:07 PM EST via Android app reply actions
One word!!!!!!
CLAIBORNE…….
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Feb 19, 2012 4:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
To be honest? I think we move down, pick up
an extra pick or two….this draft is loaded with CBs as well is FA; I would like Claiborne but eh….
I think Morris Claiborne AND Trent Richardson are both elite at their position...
and will be thrilled with either one.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
But claiborne makes more sense
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 19, 2012 7:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
A couple weeks
from now our team could look way different… so till after FA ends I am not going to lean toward one or the other
Old codger that I am, I remember when we had Dunn and Alstott
and the argument by both of them was that they each needed more carries per game to get it going. It was a big deal resulting in Dunn going to Atlanta. So how could we give Blount and Richardson enough touches in a game when we couldn’t give just Blount enough carries this past year???
Very true
The play calling will be different though and expect us to run way more this year
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 19, 2012 11:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
My Point Of View ......
RB: Trent Richardson reminds me of ray lewis character wise , The guy is talented on the field , But it’s what he does off the field . The kid works hard he gets it , You have to force him out the film & weight room , His coaches at alabama had to stop him from benching/repetition 400 pounds . Like ray lewis i see longevity even being at tough positions like rb/lb . They work so hard on there game mentally & physically .
CB: Morris Claiborne is one of those players you feel can make a impact for a long time like a champ bailey , I like his swagger , He is a very smoove cool player , He seems laid back in focus on what he does best . The best thing about him is he could maybe play 15 -20 years for us .
My pick : Idk gotta wait in see how free agency go , But if i had to rite now ill go claiborne .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 19, 2012 11:08 PM EST reply actions
20 years no way
I’d be thrilled to get 12 seasons of service but Mo Claiborne isn’t playing football until he’s 41
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Sign a FA CB and
Draft Mo Claiborne
SIgn FA MLB Dan Conner move Mason Foster to OLB
Sign FA CB William Middleton or CB Terrell Thomas
Re-sign Zuttah and Barth, Sean Jones (for the right price), Ronde if he wants to come back
If we resign Sean Jones at all I think that would be Dom's absolute last straw with me.
I really want him to prove me wrong and be a competent GM; he just has done so little to inspire confidence in me.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
carr maybe
never been a fan of grimes..draft Clairborne.
resign, bennett, barth, zuttah. if we can sign a better option than jones, but we need LBs. that area was a wreck last season.
Trent Richardson By Unanimous Decision ..........
Did you see him on espn just now .
His work ethic is hard to past up .
He is gonna be a man among boys at the combine .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 12:46 PM EST reply actions
I don't think you understand the word 'unanimous'
Also, every NFL player has a great work ethic. All this talk about work ethic is ludicrous.
Every NFL player has great work ethic?
haha JaMarcus Russle, Michael Vick (b4 prison), Randy Moss, Chad 85…….all have a history of HORRIBLE work Ethics
by shadowchicken on Feb 20, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I Dont Agree With
Randy Moss Because He Works .
But Others Fully .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Every successful one
And plenty of unsuccessful ones, too.
And yes, Randy Moss and Chad Ochocinco are tremendously hard workers. Don’t confuse their off-field issues with work ethic issues.
Actually I Do Most Of Us Agree In Share The Same Opinion , You May Not But Who Cares ..........
In No Everybody In The NFL Do Not Have A Great Work Ethic Thats The Dumbest Thing I Ever Heard .
There Are Tons Of Players Who Were Bust Or Didnt Play Long Because Of Work Ethic … Now Thats LUDICROUS LMAO !!!
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I Know Chris Johnson Personally ....
In He My Boy But His Work Ethic Is Terrible .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
You know Chris Johnson personally?
Didn’t you also say that you’ve only been in America for 3 years and that you’re from Africa?
Not that all three things aren’t possible, by any means, just genuinely curious…
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Step aside, sensitive measurement devices in action...
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Dang, Why dont yall leave that man alone? Lol Yall always on his case.
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Perhaps it's my dislike of needlessly capitalized words...
It certainly isn’t personal…
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Just threw your boy under the bus
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 20, 2012 10:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No True
Every player in the NFL works hard, but there are certain players that work harder than hard. Ask anyone about Peyton Manning and his work ethic. (Different Sport but still true) Ask people about Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant about their work ethic. Sometimes there are people who are great and then want to excel past greatness. Those guys are usually special.
Sure, some work harder than others
But mostly those extremely successful are just more talented or have a little more luck than those less successful. You don’t get to the NFL and be successful there without a great work ethic unless you’re just freakishly athletic.
There is a different kind of hard work.
The kind of hard work that a person puts in not because they were told to. Its the hard work they know they need to do to be better than the best. Yes in order to make the NFL you must be a hard worker and talented, but just like with anything there are some people who are more dedicated than others and those are the people who become great at what they do. Trent Richardson strikes me as a person who will be great barring injury.
As for Randy Moss work ethic
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6825249/randy-moss-worn-welcome-nfl-missed
As it turned out, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady was one of the first to notice his decline last summer. A league source said Brady was so concerned about Moss’ lagging work ethic that he discussed it with Patriots head coach Bill Belichick in training camp. When Belichick decided that Moss would be fine, Brady became even more agitated after Moss dogged it on a couple routes during an early-season win over Miami.
The line at the bottom of the article says it all
http://balljunkie.com/2011/08/09/jerry-rice-says-randy-moss-work-ethic-was-like-a-slap-in-the-face/
If Moss work as hard as Jerry Rice he would have been the greatest receiver of all time. No one could even try and argue that he wouldn’t be the greatest.
"It was hard for me to swallow because I was not as talented and I had to work harder," Rice said. "To see a guy with that much talent not give it 100 percent, it was almost like a little slap in the face. But Randy was Randy.
"He could have been one of the greatest if he had worked just a little bit harder," Rice said. "I don’t think he wanted to give it 100 percent. You never knew what you were going to get with Randy. Sometimes you’d get the unbelievable guy, the amazing guy. Other times you’d get the guy that took a couple plays off."
Top Cb's vs. top Rb's in the draft
How many top 5 corners will be left on the board in the second round when the Bucs pick? How many top 5 runningbacks will be left when the Bucs get their second pick? the math is simple there….
by Davey Boi Sully on Feb 20, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions
I'm fine with either one.
Blount isn’t the full-time guy, and I have the feeling we’re gonna be running the ball a lot. I think both are risky, but I am leaning more towards drafting a RB and trying to get a FA or later pick for CB.
"Put a jersey on!!!" Warren Sapp
Even if we sign some corners in FA,
I would still rather draft something else than a RB at 5, unless we trade Blount. I just dont see drafting a player at 5 that is going to split a good amount of time with another player. If we draft Richardson, we better have also traded Blount for more picks so Trent can start full time. I would rather take someone like Reiff or even Blackmon if we dont sign a WR in FA. That may sound stupid to some, but thats just my opinion.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
"...unless we trade Blount....for more picks....take...Reiff...."
Ouch!!! Yet your point is well taken. “like Reiff” or DeCastro would beef up an OL considerably and with another FA like Grubbs or Nicks we could ‘move’ Zuttah to C. Seems like that would change a lot for our offense. But I really don’t want to see Blount go.
by Chengdu Buc on Feb 21, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
whenever I see an argument between Sander and dcbucsfan I just scroll past
by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 20, 2012 6:52 PM EST reply actions
I cant help it. Most of the time he's responding to my comments.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
nothing personal I just scroll past now, it seems like beating a dead horse
by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 21, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
None taken. I do try to not get in to a 100 comment argument about tick tack things especially.
Ill try a little harder.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Who Cares
Our total Defense gave up 60+ unanswered points, at one stretch of the season. So arguing about the effectiveness of the pass or run defense is foolish. I know we’ve all tried, and some have been successful at forgetting the 10 game loosing streak. How many points did these CB’s, S’s LB’s DL’s players give up this season? I hope we do draft Claiborne @#5 and pick up a FA LB, CB, S who can and do tackle. Even our best CB’s last season Talib, Barber, Biggers missed tackles, all even had a few wiffs….. so come on, give up the debate about who was better. Both Run & Pass Defense sucked…
Lets go BUCS!
It does matter because you want to fix the weakest link on the team.
example Packers and Patriots had the worst total defenses in the league. Especially in the pas defense. But they were in the middle in the leauge in stopping the run. So next year do you think they will invest in improving the front seven to improve the defense? NO. They are going to invest in players in the secondary to improve. Thats why it matters what unit was worse out of the two.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
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