Could Mike Wallace be the deep threat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers need at receiver?
by Sander on Feb 18, 2012 7:33 PM EST
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PrintThe Tampa Bay Buccaneers need a deep threat at receiver. Not just someone who can run fast, but someone who can turn that speed into production. After all, speed alone only gets you so far - right, Dexter Jackson? There are few players in today's NFL who can do that, and two of them are scheduled to be free agents this offseason: Mike Wallace and DeSean Jackson. The latter will likely receive a franchise tag, but Wallace is likely to be available - at a price, because he is a restricted free agent.
The Pittsburgh Steelers will do everything they can to keep the young and talented receiver, but they may not be able to: the Steelers are scheduled to be $11 million above the cap, and in their current situation they can't franchise tag Wallace while signing him to a long-term deal is exceedingly difficult as well. The only thing they can realistically do is tender the restricted free agent. Adam Schefter suggested yesterday that this gave teams the opportunity to pilfer Wallace from the Steelers.
Simply put: any team could sign Wallace to an offer sheet the Steelers can't match by offering Wallace a high roster bonus in his first season. That kind of roster bonus is not pro-rated over the length of the contract as signing bonuses are, and with the Steelers' cap situation they couldn't possibly match that offer. With the Bucs incredible $67 million of 2012 salary cap space, they could easily offer Wallace a sizable roster bonus.
The Steelers would, however, receive the first-round pick of whichever team successfully signed Mike Wallace - and that's where things fall apart for the Buccaneers. Mike Wallace is probably worth a fifth overall draft pick as an extremely talented, well-rounded, fast and young wide receiver. But this isn't a case of evaluating Mike Wallace alone, because there are other fish in the sea. Instead of signing Mike Wallace, the Buccaneers could sign another free agent receiver, like Dwayne Bowe or Vincent Jackson, while using their first-round draft pick on a different position of need.
So the question isn't "Is Mike Wallace worth the fifth overall draft pick". It's: "Is Mike Wallace more valuable than the fifth overall draft pick and another free agent receiver?" I'd say he isn't, and I'm pretty sure the Bucs' front office would feel the same way.
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Very Good Talent
Just not worth the 5th pick we have too many pressing needs to sacrifice that pick for him especially with Bowe and V. Jackson lurking in the background
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Bowe wont make it to FA
I can’t disagree with V Jackson. But Mike Wallace is better then anything in the draft this year period. Easily worth the 5th overall pick.
Especially if we could Nab (Finnegan/Carr/Rogers/Porter/Grimes/Routt) any 2 of the top 6 CB’s this year.
I Would love to get Mike Wallace
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
There is no WR available in the Draft that is better...
but that Pick 5 is pretty valuable and would rather see a CB or RB taken there.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
but not for our first rounder
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Pittsburgh isn't pricing anything
That’s how restricted free agency works. They’ll tender him at the maximum amount they can, which is a first-round draft pick.
It Should Be Like the NBA
You have a restricted FA that team should have 3 days to match the contract or you lose him it would be cause teams less of a headache because Mike Wallace isn’t going to get a mid-tender it’s not like a few years ago when he wasn’t noticed now he’s one of the best deep threat receivers I say from a speed aspect he’s the best deep threat in the league
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
I wouldnt Do it Unless
We knew for sure that Trent and Morris would be off the board at 5 because I would take Wallace over blackmon other then that there’s only 2 players in this league I would give up the 5th pick for and thats Patrick WIllis and Calvin Johnson because they are show stoppers on there side of the Ball.
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 19, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think with the new CBA
only allows for first round picks to used in Restricted acquisitions. I may be wrong on the limitations but remember something like that
Its Just ...
Player For 1st Rd Pick .
The Highest Tender Is A Single 1st rd Pick Now .
It Use To Be A Combination Of Two Picks .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 19, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
It would be awesome to have Wallace but it won't happen
If we picked outside of the top five I’d probably be all for the move but I just don’t see us parting with the pick. Just imagine we could’ve had Wallace but Dominik chose Roy Miller instead.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Our reward for winning 4 games needs to be more than Mike Wallace
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by Bucs on Feb 18, 2012 8:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
sooo fast
would love to have him and he definitely is worth a top 5 pick, however we need so much help, especially in the defensive back field, gotta get Mo Claiborne.
I always find it interesting how people valuate picks
If you get Mike Wallace playing at the level he has for the past two years, for – say – even 5 or 6 years with the Bucs, that is a HUGE return of investment for the 5th overall pick.
Fans and front offices both tend to overvalue draft picks because “it could be” a Hall of Fame or all-pro level player, especially at pick #5. But will it be? It’s a much bigger gamble, while you know what you get with Wallace.
The point on the WR market being strong this off-season is a good one, though. So yeah, worth 5th overall, but there might be better paths this particular off-season.
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Why Though
You have Bowe and V. Jackson available as unrestricted FA’s only thing Mike Wallace has on those guys is his speed otherwise they’re overall better talents than him so I rather invest my money on one of those two and keep my 1rst round pick than go after just one guy and lose such a high value pick
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Bowe wont make it to FA
Mike Wallace > V. Jackson
He's not better than V. Jackson + Claiborne/Richardson though
We want the ball, and we're gonna score!
You can't really say that yet!
A. V. Jackson is 30 and not a Burner. Great possession receiver and deep ball threat.
B. Niether Claiborne or Richardson have stepped onto the field and NO ONE knows exactly how they will do. Remember just because they are top 5 doesn’t guarantee they will be productive.
C. Wallace is 26 and has the deep threat ability too, but also has the speed most are begging for. Not to mention ALREADY proven one of the better WR in the game.
D. The CB FA is DEEP also. We can easily get a talent comparable to Claiborne to be a starter.
Trent Richardson will produce.....
There was more defense in the SEC than there was in the NFL last year and he was a monster on a team where he was the focus of every defense he faced.
by TheDarkLord on Feb 19, 2012 2:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bottom line.
It isn’t V. Jackson AND Richardson/Claiborne vs. Wallace.
It is Wallace OR Richardson/Claiborne. With that logic. It’s a no brainer.
How Sure Are You
Bowe won’t make it to FA, we could always go after Colston, V. Jackson or Stevie Johnson to be a number 1 receiver or we could go after a good compliment receiver to ease the pressure off of Williams like Lloyd, Meacham, Manningham, Garcon, even Moss. I would also say go after Plaxico Burress for his size and what he can do in the end zone I would only bring him in the be a number 3 though. Regardless there are tons of WR options we could look at it’s not like the core is in need of a full rebuilding Benn is a decent receiver so is Parker and Briscoe, I would though try to make a play at Colston first if Bowe does catch a lucky franchise tag. Regardless Mike Wallace isn’t worth the 5th pick in the draft his name isn’t Larry Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
I've heard more rumors that they will franchise Carr than Bowe
Just sayin’
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
If I were the Houston Texans...
I would be all over this. Their 1st Round pick is low and their need for a WR is greater than ours.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Won't Be Shocked If NE
Made a play at him or Cleveland both teams have a 1rst round pick to spare
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Yes... it is and they talk of nothing else on Houston SportsRadio.
When Andre Johnson went down last year – they realized that had nothing else. Having a complimentary WR, for HOU or DET, makes it impossible to double-team both WRs. All they need is a WR and CB and will be AFC Championship caliber. They almost beat BAL anyway.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Cancel It Any Way ........
They have enough cap room for foster or williams next …………….
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Shoot...if HOU signed Wallace and gave up their low 1st Round pick...
the debate would begin over who was complimenting who. HOU would likely be Superbowl bound and will have enough cap space to make it happen – just not enough to re-sign Mario Williams.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Again They Dont Have Cap Room .....
Adrian Foster : is there main priority .
Mario Williams : is next they cant even sign him back .
Mike wallace : is gonna get a new contract as soon as he gets to another team .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 19, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Foster is a priority
But he’s not absolutely necessary. They have another very capable back in Ben Tate who has shown to be productive when Foster was injured. On top of that, RBs are relatively cheap so Foster won’t limit their options too much when resigned.
Mario Williams I think will be gone, unless he’s willing to take a fairly hefty hometown discount. The Texans just don’t need him. They had a top 3 defense without him for most of the season, and Brooks Reed and Connor Barwin proved more then capable of filling his shoes well enough for the Texans to be productive.
A WR like Wallace though, should be a priority for the Texans. One of their first two draft picks is likely to be used on a WR anyways, and in this case they would get someone they know works on an NFL level.
Foster has said publically that...
he wants to remain a Texan and does not expect to be the highest paid RB in the NFL. He wants to stay and promises to be cap-friendly with HOU.
With Mario Williams leaving (he has only started 8 games in the last 2 seasons) there will be enough Mike Wallace cap room. The torch is being passed from IND to HOU in that division.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
If Foster is willing to be cap-friendly,
Then my respect for the guy goes up even more. I love players that realize it’s better to spread the money around to build a better team, because that makes the odds of you doing well even better. Those guys who milk every last dollar they can out of contract negotiations….well, I understand the motivation, but don’t agree with it lol.
And yeah, Williams is probably leaving Houston. For him to be cap-friendly enough to stay he’d probably have to take half of what he’d make on the open market, or maybe even a bit less….because he’s expected to draw interest a bit higher than Julius Peppers did, and he averages more than $16 mil a year lol.
They love Foster here in Houston...
and he clearly feels the same way. He is smart, and unselfish enough, to understand how championships are made. He will be taken care of in Houston – and vice versa. Refreshing to hear in a world of Ochocincos, T.O.s and Desean Jacksons.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I Was Waiting For This Convo .....
I like the idea because you are getting a guy that is young & proven in the league already .
You dont know what you gonna get in the draft theres always a risk of drafting a college stud that turns out to be a bust .
I wonder could you negotiate a deal that we recieve mike wallace & there 24th overall pick for our 5th overall .
Then we could go after lamar miller or dre kirkpatrick or janoris jenkins whoever the best player available .
But its definley worth it when you talking about helping your franchise QB .
Colts always had defensive needs but they continue to add around peyton so i guess thats something to think about .
I wish we could try to trade back before free agency , That would help .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
There's no negotiating a deal with the Steelers
That’s not the way RFA works. Now, if we were to approach them with a trade we could certainly look to get something like that, but I doubt the Steelers would be willing to trade him basically for an exchange of first round picks.
Building around Peyton
But they did that to such an extent that the team fell apart when he wasnt there.
I say go for it...
Trade the 5th pick for Wallace only “IF” we can sign one of the better FA Corners available; preferably Brandon Carr. We all know there aren’t many guarantees in the draft from year to year; with that said, Wallace is a proven commodity that fills a one of our Biggest needs.
by ctd1977 on Feb 18, 2012 8:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If we can get Mike Wallace...
And maybe the Steelers 3rd round pick in exchange for our 1st round pick that would be heavenly.
by ctd1977 on Feb 18, 2012 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's not happening
This is not a case of trading. If the Steelers have the option, they’re hanging on to Mike Wallace. It’s just that a restricted free agent tender requires the Bucs to give up a first-round pick. Nothing more, nothing less.
There Isnt .......
A Wr in free agency thats his caliber all toghether .
1. speed
2. character
3. young
4. the exact need for our offense .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
say you have wallace as a 10 out of 10. Is the bucs need for a speed receiver really that important with so many gaping holes that they couldn’t settle for an 8 if thats where the v.jackon would be?
by Linus_van_Pelt on Feb 19, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
We are only trading away 1 pick.
Which most consensus has us picking Morric Claiborne. But if we trade our first round pick for Wallace (already proven talent) we can Get Brandon Carr and 1 other like Routt or Porter.
We fill the same holes either way. But this way we get the best option for WR with our need.
What if Pitt knows they can't keep him?
Pitt might already understand that some team will take Wallace and they won’t be able to match. Then the only way they can control their destiny would be to trade before FA. I am sure they would like #5 and no Wallace than #30 and no Wallace.
If they do trade, maybe we end up with Wallace and a second or third as well?
Wallace is a young beast of a receiver!
To me it would be a no brainer! This years FA Class and Draft are deep in corners! I think a compliment back to blount can also be pulled out in this draft…
Would we have to give up this years 1st round pick?
or could we give it up next year?
When is the RFA signing period over?
If Wallace signs with no one until AFTER the Draft – then it cannot be this years 1st.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Huh... well as much as I like Wallace as a player
I think our prioritized needs put WR at 4 – behind CB, LB and OL needs. Tough call but one of those 3 should probably be addressed with our Pick 5.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I kinda doubt he would come here anyway
and I would prefer Vincent Jackson anyway.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
With the fourth pick in the second round, we could probably trade back into the late first.
What if we trade Aqib and our second to the Patriots for their first? Or something of that sort.
by flash_kiley on Feb 18, 2012 9:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hell No
Talib Stays If Innocent !!!!!
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I Believe So ...
Apply the TBA principles to Talib in he’s gonna be a top 5 talent .
If he & his lawyer can convince mark dominik & roger goodell to let the legal process play out ,Then he is in good shape .
Plus greg schiano knows he can reach the young man he wont let them just get rid of a talent like that when theres not much else there .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Dom is inclined to cut Talib another chance.
Last year it took Rah going to bat to convince Dom not to get rid of Talib. This year Rah is not here to do it again. Innocent or not, I don’t think the Bucs want the headache that Talib has been.
Its A Culture Change At 1Buc Place ....
Every coach has a Disciplinarian Demeanor About Themselves .
They cant risk releasing him for the saints , falcons , or panthers .
I think the staff will want him .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sure they can risk it.
That way the next time Talib gets arrested and is suspended for significant time, it hurts them and not us.
And considering his current history, I’ve little doubt he’ll be arrested again at some point. Dude has serious anger issues, and I’m not just talkin about him punching his cabbie. When you take your helmet off during practice and start swingin it at your teammates like it’s a club, you’ve got issues.
U never know the bucs had the most arrests last offseason, we go after players like haynesworth and we tanard an immediate contract extension
we might just keep talib
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 18, 2012 10:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That was under Rah Rah Morris
Not someone whose culture revolves around accountability and character.
that was under dom
And hes still here
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 19, 2012 11:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes he is,
But Dom will look to bring in players that fit Schiano’s vision of TBA and character, rather than previously when finding players that fit Rah’s “vision” of talent trumping all.
It Makes It Harder When ...
You dont have a 4th rd pick .
Now you only would have a 2,3,4,5,6, & 7 .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 9:55 PM EST reply actions
I'd rather grab Colston from the Saints and select Claiborne or Richardson.
Claiborne/Richardson & Colston > Wallace.
We have the cap space and we’ve made it known that we’re going to use it. Plus, grabbing Colston weakens the Saints and gives us a borderline #1 receiver.
Love Buccaneers - Hate Glazer
I Wouldnt Mind That ...
But Mike Wallace Is Top Flight .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Think about it....
Package #1.
Vincent Jackson / Marques Colston & Richardson / Claiborne
Package #2
Mike Wallace
You have to take package #1 everyday of the week. It’s a no-brainer.
Love Buccaneers - Hate Glazer
Like you said, we have to take the larger number of players.
If we had a complete….or even competent defense, I’d be more open to using our pick to bring in Mike Wallace. Right now though, we have so many holes throughout the entire roster that we can’t limit our ability to bring in new contributors.
There isn't even a scenario where I would consider taking Wallace considering the amount of our cap space.
Love Buccaneers - Hate Glazer
This is not Walmart.
We can’t just select any FA we want. Whether we have cap space and say we will use it the first step.
Most these FA will stay with their team. Bowe and D. Jackson wont be available, 50/50 with V. Jackson who is slowing down. Colston will take less money to play somewhere else. M. Wallace is no consolation, if we have a shot, take it.
We need to plug as many holes as possible in the off season.
I can’t believe any of you would take Mike Wallace over spending some of our cap on the other options available. And yes, Colston will sign with the highest bidder.
Love Buccaneers - Hate Glazer
We would be spending cap on Wallace.
He is not free. It would be a big contract we would offer to Wallace.
My point is, I read every day “Lets sign Bowe and the two Jacksons”, I am just saying it is not that easy. On the slim chance any of those guys make it to the open market there are plenty of other team competing with us.
So its unfair to say V. Jackson/ Claiborne > Wallace. All we can logically compare is Wallace and #5 pick. Is it worth it?
I would say keep all options opened, make offers to everyone available. Make offers to Wallace/ Colston/ Jackson(s) hopefully we land one. If it is Wallace then we lose a pick, oh well.
Remember D. Free and J. Joseph last year? Supposedly we made offers to them. What we end up with?
So its unfair to say V. Jackson/ Claiborne > Wallace. All we can logically compare is Wallace and #5 pick. Is it worth it?
I don’t think it is unfair considering that it’s a very real scenario. The problem with Wallace is that he would take up cap space and we would be without our #5 pick. If we signed Vincent Jackson, we would only be without cap space and we could still add another potential superstar.
Love Buccaneers - Hate Glazer
But like he said.
The real chance of US getting V. Jackson with a bunch of other teams going for him is slim. At least compared to the offer of our 5th overall pick for Wallace.
We don’t loose the pick, we are gaining a player by using the pick. Instead it being a gamble we get a proven talent. (one of the best in the league)
Yes he wouldn’t be cheap.. but can i believe someone actually is asking for the Glazer to go the cheap route? Anyways, Even at his price you would be paying your 1st round a pretty penny too. Except the drafted player has never touched an NFL field.
So is Wallace worth Trading away Either Morris Claiborne or Trent Richarson. Looking at that alone. Yes the answer is YES.
But FA is deep at corner and we have a Truck load of money to spend!
So those are not the only packages we can make. There is an endless amount of moves that can be made to fill the holes. Way to many scenario’s to fill.
What happen to it being all about 5? And all those clambering for Richardson to help the offense. Yet you would turn your nose to the potential to land one of the best speed/deep threat receivers in the game today ?
Anybody but Colston...
He seems to be hurt often. I’d much rather V-Jack. Bowe and Desean looks like they’ll be tagged.
And now I understand
Why RFA’s seldom go to other teams. Didn’t realize it had to be this year’s draft pick…I like the idea of stealing Colston and Nicks from the Saints better. We get better, they get holes. Perfect.
by ericshysterics on Feb 18, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions
Sander, I'm with you on this 1
Just too many holes to fill to give up the #5 pick and possibly another good/decent wr
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 18, 2012 10:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
here is what they do,
If FA wasn’t so heavy with cb and all, I’d say they should trade their 5th to a team who really wants to move up (possibly a playoff team), along with getting a player we want/need and their first in return, then go after Wallace, therefore we would get a two for one switcharoo! :) while only giving up a late 1st round pick
Q: Can the Bucs get to another Super Bowl?
A: When Freeman takes us?
by CoulterbucsFan on Feb 18, 2012 10:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
RFA takes place before the draft
So there’s no trading down during the draft and giving up that 1st rounder for Wallace.
And before you say trade down before the draft, no one is going to agree to that during the RFA period, since they’ll have no idea who will or won’t be left at #5.
Yes I was referring to before the draft, and who knows if someone will or won’t. It all depends on the deal and the team
Q: Can the Bucs get to another Super Bowl?
A: When Freeman takes us?
by CoulterbucsFan on Feb 18, 2012 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Teams only trade up when there is a player they believe is worth trading for.
Before the draft, unless you’re trading into the #1 spot you can never be certain who will or won’t be there. While the odds of getting a good talent are very good at #5 overall, it may not be someone that the team feels good enough about to trade away other picks to acquire. For instance, were someone with good CBs to trade with us pre-draft hoping to land Justin Blackmon, and Blackmon is taken, what’s next? Pick someone they don’t need?
No one will trade up in the draft pre-draft. They’ll trade players for picks, and players for players, but not picks for picks because you don’t know what will be there yet.
I want Wallace
Consider this people, Wallace can easily give us 6-7yrs of production (He’ll be 26 at the end of Aug). Vincent Jackson (Who’s already 30) might give us 4yrs, & he’s not a burner. We need speed on the outside, so I can swallow giving up a high draft pick for a young, PROVEN player. It’s being reported that Kansas is gonna tag Bowe so he’s off the market, which makes CB Brandon Carr (Also turning 26) gone. We gotta go all in on landing Carr, which will compensate for us not getting Claiborne to replace Barber. We also try to go hard after Curtis Lofton (If he’s not tagged) then move Foster outside & draft a another outside LB in the 2nd rd. Cut Faine sign Zuttah at Center ASAP, also offer cheap contracts to Lynch & Hayes for depth. Get O-line help, a SS & CB in the draft & I think we’ll be in great shape.
by InfamousHp on Feb 19, 2012 1:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep like it.
Would even go as far as saying giving Tulloch a look if Lofton in unavailable.
Thayow for the vote off confidence
Given our reputation around the league we have to over pay top FA’s cuz people seldom want to play here. So gettin Carr, or Lofton is wishful thinking but they’re young enough to somewhat justify over paying. Tulloch didnt want to talk to us when he was on the market last yr, but Wallace won’t have a say if we go the restricted route to get him.
by InfamousHp on Feb 19, 2012 1:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for the vote in confidence
Given our reputation around the league we have to over pay top FA’s cuz people seldom want to play here. So gettin Carr, or Lofton is wishful thinking but they’re young enough to somewhat justify over paying. Tulloch didnt want to talk to us when he was on the market last yr, but Wallace won’t have a say if we go the restricted route to get him.
by InfamousHp on Feb 19, 2012 1:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ahhh the restricted route he still has a say..
He still has to sign the contract you offer him and he only gets to pick one to sign. Either way you can add the Wallace move to the never going to happen list for about a dozen reasons.
by DraftPhantom on Feb 19, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
Your right
I got it mixed up with the franchise tag compensation (They don’t have a choice (To sign or not) if a team offers the draft compensation.
by InfamousHp on Feb 19, 2012 3:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would rather sign VJack and keep the pick.
VJackmay not be as fast as Wallace, but he is still a deep threat and he offers better height for Free. Then depending on other FA signings(pretty much if they sign any CB’s), take either Claiborne,Richardson,or in the rare case RG3 drops, trade down.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
But he's getting old
So you wanna give him a contract in the ball park of 40-45mil/4yrs which will put him at 34yrs old? He’s a beast don’t get me wrong, but Vincent is a WR that need to go to a team that’s on the cusp of winning now. He can provide a solid veteran presence, but in my opinion he’s too old & expensive for a long term solution.
by InfamousHp on Feb 19, 2012 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He Shouldn't Be Top Priority Anyhow
We should just throw our names in the hat to save face, but we should be looking at Finnegan, Grimes(If Not Franchised), Carr, Rogers, Terrell Thomas, Routt all should be looked at especially Finnegan and Carr if Grimes catches that tag
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
I was advocating for Finnegan...
But word on the street is he’s looking to go to the Rams with Fisher. I can’t see us giving Rogers (Who’s 30) big money for 1 good year in his whole career. I like Thomas a lot but he’s coming off his 2nd knee injury (Buyer beware)
by InfamousHp on Feb 19, 2012 2:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Build through the draft!
Stanford Route is the only guy I really would want as far as CB in FA. If a guy like Javier Arenas or Sam Shields were available…..then I’d be excited. Most of the FA guys out there seem risky.
by TheDarkLord on Feb 19, 2012 11:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Really? Carr is risky?
How so? He’s a 25/26 year old starting-caliber CB that is already a pretty above-average starter, with the potential to be so much more. Even if he plays exactly how he’s played previously and doesn’t get any better, he’s still about 2-3 times better than what we’ll have on our roster once Barber and Talib are gone.
Building Through The Draft
Is why we were 4-12 last season. You need balance between the young guys and veterans. We have a lack of veteran leadership that’s why we our guys were playing so crappy during the 10 game losing streak. They played for the check not for the love of the game. And Routt got burned a lot last season and caused a lot of penalties so if anyone is risky it’s him.
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
I'm not saying I think Carr is bad and Route is great......
…..I’m saying Route seems to have more raw talent to me. But the reason we were 4-12 isnt because we built through the draft. It’s because the coaching and discipline wasn’t there. Not to mention that Dom and Rah decided to release the only two leaders on the youngest team in the NFL. Ruud may not have had a lot of fans in Tampa but he was the only guy taking the emotional lead on Defense. Then Cadillac Williams who they could have kept for a song and a dance was the emotional leader on offense. They said all through the 2010 season how he was their inspiration and how he fired everybody up…..and then they let him go sign with St Louis for the League minimum salary!!
by TheDarkLord on Feb 20, 2012 2:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
While Routt may be more physically talented, though I doubt it,
He’s also about 29 years old so he has more mileage. On top of that, if he hasn’t translated that physical talent into consistent play by this point in his career, he’s not likely to. Carr is only 26 or so, and has already turned his talent into very consistent play.
Everybody else risky?!?
You want Routt who led the league in pass interference (17). As a number 2 or nickel I would be open to it. But he ain’t came to holla at us, he’s been visiting Kansas, Buffalo, & Cincy. But why no love for Carr?
by InfamousHp on Feb 19, 2012 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not hating on Carr I just like the base tools Route brings more.
In a new defense on a new team I think that assuming they would both totally buy into the system…..Route is slightly more gifted and likely to have a higher summit. I dont really love any of these FA CBs. It’s the kind of thing to me that makes me say, “if they’re so good, why is their current team willing to let them go?”
by TheDarkLord on Feb 20, 2012 2:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Routt will have a higher ceiling.
Usually when a player hits 29, they’ve developed about as much as they’re going to.
If We Cant Get A Mike Wallace Or Desean Jackson Type Of Wr .......
We Might Is Well Wait To The Draft In Get In Position Or Hope For A Scenario Where We Draft One Of These Guys :
1. Kendall Wright / Baylor
2. Tommy Streeter / Miami
3. Travis Benjamin / Miami
4. Stephen Hill / Georgia Tech
5. Ty Hilton / Fiu
6. Ryan Broyles / Oklahoma
7. Joe Adams / Arkansas
8. Jarius Wright / Arkansas
9. Greg Childs / Arkansas
10. Danny Coale / V-tech
Comment : All these guys showed they can get seperation in college .
Some will need good 40 times at the combine to confirm it .
But this is the mold of wr we need to add , They fit the role we need to be filled .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 19, 2012 12:22 PM EST reply actions
Nice list
But realistically a lot of those top WRs are gonna be gone late 1st rd or early 2nd. Between SF, NE, JAX maybe PIT (To replace Wallace), STL 2nd rd, MIN 2nd rd. I do like the possibility of us landing one of those guys
by InfamousHp on Feb 19, 2012 4:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gotta Remember Those Are Just Deep Threats .....
There Are a ton of other recievers , After # 1 Kendall Wright there is gonna be a drop off on this list .
This Not Including the likes of :
justin blackmon
alshon jeffrey
michael floyd
juron criner
mohammad sanu
rueban randle
dwight jones
marvin mcnutt
nick toon
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 19, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace is nice
But no way is he worth the 5th over all, i might be down if i was the Pats or something, But no way in HELL i give up our first round pick for him
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