Mel Kiper Mock Draft: Trent Richardson over Morris Claiborne
by Sander on Feb 18, 2012 4:17 PM EST
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PrintESPN's renowned (and infamous) NFL draft expert Mel Kiper released his second mock draft of the season a couple of days ago, and in it he had the Tampa Bay Buccaneers taking Alabama running back Trent Richardson. This in spite of the presence of LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne, who is generally seen as the most likely draft target for the Buccaneers.
I'll say it again -- don't simply dismiss the idea that Richardson could land here because of the presence of LaGarrette Blount. A great running team now needs more than one good back, and Richardson is by far the best back on the board this year. As well, if the Bucs are going with a "best player available" mantra early on -- very possible given a wide range of needs -- Richardson would make a lot of sense here. Blount has power, but he's far more limited as an all-around back than Richardson. The Bucs were actually below league average in yards per rush in 2011, and could look to improve there.
Of course, Kiper is right to an extent: adding Richardson would make the Bucs a better team. But the Bucs could easily take a quality running back early in the second or even third round to serve as a complement to Legarrette Blount. The fact that the running game was one of the few things that actually worked last year would make the selection of Richardson a little strange, to say the least. But Richardson does look like an elite talent.
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Here We Go Again
More draft discussion about Richardson or Claiborne this should be fun
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
It's not like we can make a poor choice between the two...
both are the top prospects at their respective positions, and both are positions of need.
It’s really all about what happens in front of us with Picks 2-4 – and the prospect of trading for RG3.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Whew..
I’ve heard some have already gave up on Free, NO! I say!
No QB for us till later rounds IF that. We’ll see what happens with J.J. first..
I hope JJ is completely done here...
we need a back-up QB that is more conventional and that can actually come in and win a game. JJ has proven he can do neither.
Sign a veteran F/A to back up Freeman and draft a Kellen Moore late to develop.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
JJ is not and never will be a good QB just let it go, he is a complete waste of roster space
by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 18, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully,
Harbaugh in San Fran wants him, Dom can work some serious magic when it comes to stuff like that.
i.e. the Gaines trade
We are in a very tough position
I’ll just wait till the draft because im tired of trying to think about it.But i;‘ve kinda jumped on the Claiborne Wagon.It would be nice to have a a Showstopper at corner who makes QB’s throw away from his side.
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 19, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Dear Mel Kiper
STOP LOOKING AT THE RUNNING BACK SITUATION AND LOOK AT THE CORNERBACK SITUATIONZOMG
It’s like he’s aware the Bucs have a need for CB, but his obsession with getting a RB taken in the top 5 is annoying as hell.
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
The Only Reason Why I See Kiper Doing It
FA class is deeper at DB than RB and presuming we sign 2 DB’s cause Talib going to jail probably he could see us taking a RB since our secondary would be settled otherwise it should be Claiborne regardless it’s a good pick up for us why the debate should end on the to
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
There are some really good options later in the draft for CBs.
That being said, 1 shutdown corner > 2 RB attack.
Oderint dum metuant
Any other year I would Richardson
On our team, but with cornerback being so weak we need(hope) to draft Claiborne!
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 18, 2012 4:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hoping For A Trade Down But As Of Now Im Feeling Like This Unless Free Agency Changes Things .
1st rd: Morris Claiborne
2nd rd: Vontaze Burflict Or Zach Brown
3rd rd : Tommy Streeter Or Travis Benjamin
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions
Sign .....
RB: Clinton Portis
OG: Carl Nicks
DT/DE: Calais Campbell
SS: Michael Griffin
CB: Brandon Carr
QB: Brady Quinn
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with your list is...
Calais Campbell will not get out of ARI – they have said as much.
Clinton Portis and Brady Quinn? Don’t understand either one of those options. Brady Quinn can not come in and win a game if Freeman went down and Portis (or what’s left of him) makes no sense. Prefer adding F/A Ryan Grant and drafting RB Bobby Rainey in Round 5.
Carr, Nicks and Griffin – you betcha.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I like Nicks & Carr pick ups
But would much rather have Landry at S. If and a big if he can stay healthy he’s a top 5 guy. Also need to sign a WR(Vincent Jackson) and a LB
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 18, 2012 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
S LaRon Landry is coming back from a serious achilles injury...
so buyer beware. Unsure of his physical status.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I Love Laron Landry Just Like I Love Bob Sanders ..........
When i see him he the man .
But when i dont he doesnt matter .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Griffin is a FS not a SS
Landry is injury prone but when healthy he’s a top five talent. Griffin is a ball hawk but I don’t see our front office bringing him here for big money. T Jack has this year to prove himself, it is his contract year after all.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
T-jack & M-griff
Can Play Both ….
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well My Point Of View Is ......
Portis : Was recruited & coached by butch davis & greg schiano , So for a role as simple as a change of pace back / third down back . We know he wants to play thats a plus , If healthy and in shape he could this coaching staff can will make him productive , Im willing to bet on it , Just like winslow watch how he bounce back this year .
Campbell: I heard anything in regards to him nationally so you must live in arizona to get that type of news . But anyways these are his old coaches ,Plus he could get paid to play in florida again its simple with him he could be so versatile with us playing DE/DT like the justin tuck role, As well is keeping our big four fresh & healthy ( clayborn,mccoy,price,bowers) .
Quinn: I think in the type of offense we are gonna run he could a solid back up for us , We gonna be built around a running game thats key , And taking shots is easy . At notre dame he did that well .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
On The Campbell .....
I Meant I
Havent Heard Anything
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
He will likely be franchised if they cannot work out a long-term deal...
ARI will never let him get away. Never.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
And even if they did let him leave,
He’s not a fit for our system. In our 4-3 he would be either a giant, oversized DE or an undersized DT. On top of that, we already have quality starters at all 4 starting d-line positions that already make some good money. Bringing in a top dollar FA for a position of relative strength is ludicrous.
He Got Drafted As A 4-3 Defensive End Who Can Play Defensive Tackle ....
Yall dont understand i like this signing because .
1. He is talented , He Has Been Productive , He Knows How To Get To The QB , He Blocks Kicks , He’s a Versatile Player Can Play All Four Spots On The D-line .
2. Young Still , Hasnt Had Any Major Injurys .
3. Good Character , A Leader .
4. He Would Help The Young Guys In So Many Ways , They Could Stay Fresh , They Could Stay Healthy , Remember We Cant Put Too Many Miles On Bowers And You Dont Wanna Wear Out Clayborn , Mccoy & Price Have Already Had Alot Of Injurys .
5. We Only Have Two Run Stuffers Maybe Three ( clayborn , bennett , okam ) Mccoy , Price , & Bowers Are Really Just Penetrators there not run stuffers Campbell Is .
6. Greg Schiano/Butch davis Know Him From Miami .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Plus Gerald McCoy Is The Only One With A Big Contract ....
Brian Price : Second Rd Money
Adrian Clayborn : Second Rd Money
Daquan Bowers : Third Rd Money
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know where you got your title from,
But when Calais Campbell was drafted by the Cardinals they had already switched to a 3-4. He was drafted as a 3-4 DE.
I’m not saying that Campbell isn’t talented, but he’s a 300 lb 3-4 DE. Were he to come to Tampa, he would be a DT. Most teams don’t employ 300 lb 4-3 DEs, because they’re a bit big for that position. 280ish is the usual size of a 4-3 DE.
I’ll agree on 2 and possibly 3.
4 though, that can be accomplished by signing ANY veteran lineman for depth, not just by a top-money one.
5) I think you underestimate Bowers against the run, and while McCoy and Price are primarily penetrators they also have the athletic ability to play the run well, even if they haven’t in the past.
And just because a coach knows someone doesn’t mean they’re going to shell out giant money for them.
He's similar in size to Richard Seymour.
He was a DE in NE with their 3-4 scheme, and a DT in oakland with their 4-3 scheme.
Oderint dum metuant
Exactly
And we already have two starting-caliber DTs, and it’s too early to give up on either of them.
Calais Campbell is a nice player who could help the Bucs, sure, but he’s a luxury signing, and not one I think the Bucs should make when there are holes throughout the team that need filling.
Listen The Miami Hurricanes Have Never Ran A 3-4 Defense Ever .....
Calais Campbell Played There At Miami .
So Thats Telling You He Was A First Rd Pick As A 4-3 Player .
Size & Weight Mean Nothing If He’s In Shape Playing At A High Level .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 19, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
Keep telling yourself size and weight mean nothing.
4-3 DEs need to be able to move quickly enough to get to the QB from outside. The larger a player is, the harder it is for them to do that. 300 lbs is a bit large for a 4-3 DE, unless all you want him to do is stop the run.
And it doesn’t matter what scheme they played in during college. Only what they’ve played in and are capable of playing in here in the NFL. While he may have been a 4-3 player in college, in the NFL he projected as a 3-4 DE, which is what he was drafted as.
The Big Picture ....
If you are a workout warrior like him , You play at comfortable wait , Watch the tape he is just as quick as our guys . He playing at a high weight but at a high level becuse he is in shape . Thats why size & weight dont matter .
Next he’s a legit athlete he can play any position he want on any d-line in the nfl , His versatility is why he’s the best at what he does .
You look at the fact that he can help/lead this young group from production 2 health .
Last listen to all the people that talk know about football just not watch , You build your team to win the division first . How can we do that ? run the ball in play defense . What you need to do on defense to win in our division ? stop the run , Sack bree’s , newton & ryan .
Its simple our offense can score , But they cant outscore teams , So we gotta stop them DEFENSE .
ANOTHER THING IT’S NOT LUXURY WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT DEFENSE & TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS , ITS MORE SO TRADITION …..
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 19, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's a luxury...
When you already have 4 starters on the defensive line. It’s a luxury when your top 2 draft picks the last two years have all been spent on the defensive line.
It’s a luxury when the defensive line is already considered our strongest defensive unit, but we have holes all over the LB corps and the secondary. Whatever very large amount of cap they would have to spend to bring in Campbell (and I’m figuring somewhere around $10 mil a year or more) would be better spent filling SEVERAL holes on defense.
Mario Williams is 290 and plenty fast...
there are plenty of agile 290 pound DEs nowadays. JJ Watt, Cliff Avril… heck even Albert Haynesworth in his younger days was very agile for his size.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not denying that there are quite a few,
But when looking for a 4-3 DE then 280ish is about the norm. A bit higher then that from a physical freak like Williams is different from 20 lbs over.
Half of the guys you mentioned though wouldn’t be playing a 4-3 DE (Haynesworth in his prime and JJ Watt). Watt is very agile for his size, but there’s a reason he was projected to be a 3-4 DE. Being closer to the QB makes it easier for those bigger guys to get home. Being on the outside, not so much ;)
Calais Campbell, however, is no Mario Williams
He has the build and speed of a defensive tackle in a 4-3.
I would take, and rotate in, any of those guys...
and build a NYG-like rotation.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Thank You Cracker Ball Thats What Im Saying ....
How do you think the giants win there division they get to the QB’S .
And the QB’S in our division are far better , You build your team to win the division we are a defensive team .
In Calais Campbell Is The Biggest Most Athletic Freak In The League .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-wWaYAMVjI
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 19, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
QB I say David Carr or Jason Campbell
CB I’d take Carr or Grimes the reason i say grimes is because Division rival but I like Carr because of age and Size we need somebody to cover these Statue WR’s in our Division…
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 19, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
I would draft Richardson.
LaGarrette Blount is probably the most one-dimensional running back that I have ever seen. Considering the free agent class and the draft class is deep in the cornerback position and not so much in the running back department, I am all for this pick. I like Morris Claiborne, but the impact of a rookie running back of Richardson’s talent along with a veteran addition at cornerback would be much more effective than drafting a rookie cornerback. The Bucs could use their second or third round pick on a corner; that’s how deep this draft class is at corner.
That is if we spend on corners in FA
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by 4QB on Feb 18, 2012 6:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yes it is and i agree
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 6:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I would Love to have Morris but I think going for 2 CB’s in the market and getting Trent would be our best Scenario. I would love to have Tracy Porter and Brent Grimes or Porter and Carr,and probably make a small offer to Terrance Newman as Our 3rd CB and Draft Trent and We would be fine…
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 19, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Our running situation was a bright spot last year?
Blount didn’t even have 800 yards.
Love Buccaneers - Hate Glazer
Thank you for feeding my argument.
People lie, numbers don’t.
But numbers can be interpreted wrongly
The running game was fine. The low total for Blount mostly came as a result of two things: not being used much, and an injury that kept him out for a couple of games. The running game wasn’t great, but it was the one part of the team that worked fairly well, as opposed to pass defense, run defense, or pass offense.
It’s not Blount’s fault that the Bucs didn’t run the ball much.
Exactly^^
Olson’s playcalling was horrible this year.
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 18, 2012 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How many games were "SLOW STARTS" getting us way behind?
The run game got given up on most of the season. Add a top tier OG, move Zuttah to Center. get WR’s coached up and Free back to his old self and the slow starts go away. Hence Blount returns to the dynamic RB he is.
by Chengdu Buc on Feb 18, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
thats not all the way true.
Yes the bucs abandon the run too early during games. But blount did get stuffed a lot. And he fumbled a lot. We led the league in fumbled but were last in rushing attempts. Run game was ok. Not great but not bad.
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sure, the running wasn't great
But it was the least disastrous part of the team, and the running game is simply not as important in today’s NFL as the passing game.
of course the running game wasnt the worst dimension on the team.
Our run defense was. And I disagree with the run game not being as important. It is very important to compliment the pass game. You have to have balance on offense. You can’t pass every down. Yes the run game isn’t the number 1 way to attack on offense overall but then again it depends on your offensive players. Josh freeman isn’t Tom Brady… We can’t depend on his arm to carry us all season. He needs a great and consistent run game to help him and take that pressure of him so he isn’t forced to throw 45 times a game to win
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He needs help, yes, and that requires a decent running game
But that changes nothing about the extremely simple fact that the running game isn’t as important in today’s NFL as it used to be. Being able to pass effectively is much, much more important – and the best way to pass effectively is, surprisingly, to add weapons to the passing game, not to run the ball more/better. Especially so when the problem for the team wasn’t running the ball well in the first place.
Similarly, to beat good teams you need to stop the pass first.
ok perfect example
Do you think Matt Ryan can win and take the falcons to the playoffs without turner? Or Flacco without rice? I highly doubt it. I’m saying every team doesn’t need to just have a great pass game and a decent run game to win. Some teams that have success can actually win with having a good pass game but a better run game. Also just adding a weapon in the pass game doesn’t make it better. Some qbs don’t need to throw every down. Example…. Tony romo eli manning Matt Ryan Flacco to name a few. So if you start throwing more you get more mistakes made by a qb that shouldn’t be throwing as much. And we did have problems running the ball in the first place because if we didn’t we wouldn’t have this discussion about blount not getting it done nor would josh freeman have as bad of a year as he did because he was forced to throw way too much. Adding a great running back adds balance on offense that is needed for OUR team and for freeman
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're conflating so many things that are unrelated, it's not even funny
Trivial fact: the running game is less important than the passing game. To win in the NFL you must be able to pass well and you must be able to stop the pass. The running game and defending the running game is secondary to that goal.
Can the running game help the passing game? Sure. But I don’t care how good your running game is, if you can’t effectively pass the ball you’re not going anywhere. The first priority of every team in the NFL should hence be to fix its passing game. Yes, balance can help. Yes, good running backs help. But that doesn’t mean that the running game is all that important. They’re complementary pieces in any good, modern offense.
Also, I’m not sure who you’ve been watching, but Tony Romo and Eli Manning run pass-first offenses and do it quite successfully. Flacco and Ryan are mediocre quarterbacks, and their offenses struggle when they can’t rely on the running game. That’s not true for Josh Freeman, who did just fine in 2010 regardless of how well the running game performed, and he struggled in 2011 – again regardless of how well the running game performed.
man your tunnel vision is ridiculous
Where did you get this trivial fact? The NFL handbook? The same page as defense wins championships? It’s not fact because YOU say so. And what success has romo had? None that got him a playoff win. And its funny the giants didntt get hot until the end of the season when the run game started to pick up and the pass rush came.
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The run game picked up for the Giants?
Did you even watch them play? The run game did nothing for them. They won at the end of the season because the defense finally played well, and because Eli Manning had an incredibly good year. The running game had squat to do with their Super Bowl victory.
By the way, evaluating quarterbacks by wins? Stupid. ‘Defense wins championships’? Outdated. You know what every Super Bowl winning team of the past decade except the Bucs had? A star quarterback and a good passing game. Most of them had a good defense, too. A good running game? Way down the list of relevant aspects.
You want to win in the NFL? You must pass the ball well. That’s the one thing you must do. That can make up for a ton of deficiencies at other spots. I can’t believe I need to explain this to someone who has watched football the past five years.
The Run Game
Setups play action, takes time off the clock, and makes 3rd down manageable for 3rd down pass plays. That is what the run is intended to do in the modern day NFL. We did run the ball effectively at times, but our passing game was not there. The Giants were last in rushing in the NFL and they won a championship on 3 things the running game picking it up and easing Eli Manning’s arm, Eli Manning not turning the ball over, and the defense making stops. You don’t need to cause turnovers all the time you just need to make stops. If we can run the ball effectively next year it will make the play action pass a lot easier for Josh Freeman to execute and it will also allow him to throw the ball deep.
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
The play-action thing is the biggest myth in football
You do not need to run the ball well to execute play-action passes successfully. Second-level defenders react to keys, not to success. If their keys say “run”, then that’s how they react. That’s how you create successful play-action passes. I’m not the only one who thinks that, people like Greg Cosell (who watches more tape than probably anyone) say the same thing: you don’t need a good running game to have a good play-action passing game. The two are not connected, at all.
That's If Your Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Aaron Rodgers
Outside of those 3 you need a good running game to really sell play action. It’s more of selling the run to do the deep pass than actually selling the play action if you understand what I am saying. When teams typically run play action it’s to go on a deep ball not many coaches are going to call play action to throw a slant route. Those 3 guys I named at the top haven’t had a great run game probably ever, mediocre at best
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
No, it's not "if you're X"
The play-action passing game has nothing to do with the success of the running game. Nothing. Second-level defenders, again, react to keys, not to previous running success. That’s all there is to it.
So
If you have AP running for over 5 yards a carry in a game and your getting chewed up and the QB runs a play action pass your defense is going to be in position to want to stop the run which frees up the QB to run play action. The safety is going to look to creep up to aim to stop the run, so when you run play action then the safety is now up in the box trying to run back to cover a WR whose already blown by the DB
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Yes, you can get an eight man front if you run the ball well
Though, again, you can mostly counter that through formation and motion. That’s it, though. That’s all it does.
I'm Talking Running a A Play Action Pass
When you see an 8 man front your going to beat that all the time especially in the running game has been on point all day
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
because freeman struggled to throw the ball well.
So why not put 8 in da box
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how much an OC prepares in practices for a run game against an 8 man front.
I mean, Blount saw 8 man fronts so much this past season. Sure, that’s a key for check-offs for Free, but how can a power run game attack these 8 man fronts? There must be a way.
by Chengdu Buc on Feb 18, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
so you say ryan and flacco are mediocre right?
So why were they so successful then? Why does a team win and get to the playoffs with a mediocre qb?
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 8:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I Am Talking About Those 3 Guys RB's
Not the actual QB’s around the league saying their mediocre
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
They fall just outside the top 10 in my QB rankings
12 teams make the playoffs every year. The Ravens have a top-notch defense every season and Ray Rice helps, while the Falcons have a pretty good defense generally, although they usually get exposed in the playoffs.
but the falcons make it to the playoffs every year.
Flacco is mediocre. So you can why try and make him throw more? There success works. Run the ball and throw when you need to and have a great defense. And not every team the last ten years had a elite qb
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes i watch the games do you?
You can’t throw every down. And you do need some type of run game. The patriots don’t beat the ravens without it. You dismiss the run as being not needed. Not everyone has an elite qb. And if you don’t you improve in the run game.
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I never dismissed the running game as "not needed"
And, as I have continued to say, it helps. But that’s all the running game does: it helps.
yes and if it helps you win its important
Point blank
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you dont gear a gameplan towards stopping a longsnapper
but teams other than the bucs gameplan towards stopping the run point blank.
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What does that mean?
What, teams want to stop the run? Well, sure they do. But not as much as they want to stop the pass.
teams that play the 49ers, texans, broncos, or the ravens
playoff teams. nobody gameplans to stop joe flacco or matt ryan or tim tebow nor alex smith. or when the jets went to the playoffs the previous years nobody was trying to stop Mark Sanchez. Are you serious?
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Are you?
You know why those opponents try to stop the run against those teams? Because those teams can’t pass the ball.
Exactly!
Which makes my point. Not every team that is succesful is based on passing the ball first. Its not a requirement for every team to pass first to be successful. So you build on your teams strengths. Sometimes its not about adding a wide reciever. sometimes adding a great running back makes that QB better by running more and catching out the backfield. Do you even realize you just made my point? C’mon Sander. Seriously? Lol.
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No, I did not make my point
You missed mine. The fact that teams only stop the run when they don’t need to worry about the pass proves my point: passing is much more important than running.
Why would a team worry about an offense passing the ball when they really dont do it well in the first place?
Thats insane. You focus on the offenses strengths and once again not every succesful team passes the ball greatly, nor is it their offensive identity no matter how bad you want it to be so you can be right. Its not true.
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I dont think its that Blount didn't get it done
it’s just that the depth behind Blount is CFL level talent. Dominik is the one that hyped Kregg Lumpkin in the off season; I suppose I’m almost warming up to the idea of Trent though. He would most likely provide us a top five running back, he is that special of a runner. Claiborne is very good though, in our division you better be able to cover. I’d be thrilled with either of the two at this point.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
yea im not blaming him for the most part however he did contibute by fumbling and buy just being a one dimensional back
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 9:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
True,
I loved him his rookie year, he really was a god send to us Buc fans. Sophomore year he had some issues but I’m willing to give all the young players a pass a on last year. This year will be telling but I for one can’t wait to see Blount perform in his contract year.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
yea he caught people off guard last year.
and freeman was throwing better so they couldnt put 8 or 9 in the box when blount was in all the time. 9/10 times blount is in they will run it. so its harder for him to run with all those people in the box
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Great Point
BLount ONly had 184 Carries now Compare to the Rushing Leaders Jones-Drew-343,Ray Rice-291,Michael Turner 301 if blount got as many Carries as either 1 of them with his yards per carry he would have had 1200+ yards.I like Blount the only problem is the lack of catches the offense is really predictable when he’s out there if we dont get trent I hope we can get LMJ or Rainey.
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 19, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Of course more carries means more yards for him.
But lets not forget Blount was 7th in the league with fumbles and had the least amount of attempts out of all the “starting running backs”. so also possible the more carries the more fumbles as well.
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Here's a scenario...
What if Morris, Richardson, and Kalil are all of the Board when we select at 5. What do we do?
by ctd1977 on Feb 18, 2012 5:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If Richardson, Morris and Kalil are ALL still there at Pick 5...
then RG3 is likely long gone. Can’t even imagime that scenario p[laying out.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
If for some crazy reason RG3 slids a bit Could we actually Draft him at 5, take control of his draft rights; then trade him to the highest bidder?
just thinking of different draft scenarios that could help us pick up more picks. Could we technically do that?
Yeah wouldn't the Bucs do it after you have an arrangement with a team?
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
by joeybw
Meh
He’s not worth the fifth overall pick. But then again, not a lot of players outside those mentioned are.
Yeah I feel like he is going to be a game changer
by Jediel3 on Feb 18, 2012 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why?
He’s good, but he’s not that great. He’s not physically dominant. Mostly he’s a good route runner who does a good job catching contested balls. But he’s no A.J. Green or Calvin Johnson – much too small and slow for that.
I dont know
I just have that gut feeling
by Jediel3 on Feb 18, 2012 7:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
A.J. Green didn't even run a great 40 time but his height and vertical
jump were top notch. Megatron was the complete package, speed, hops, and hands. Blackmon is good but I don’t think he’l be any better than Michael Crabtree has been for SF. Good but not quite worth our fifth overall pick.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Justin Blackmon Is Elite .
naw he is gonna be among the league elite he terrell owens 2.0 .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
He ran a 4.48 40 and he's 6'4''.
That’s pretty impressive. Megatron is a once in a lifetime type athlete. If you are expecting a Megatron type talent at the 5th pick every year, then you will be waiting a long time.
Oderint dum metuant
Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, A.J. Green, Calvin Johnson
That’s four once-in-a-lifetimes in the past decade
Good point on Fitz and Andre
those guys match HEIGHT with athleticism and were generally cleadn off the field. I’d take any of those four over Blackmon personally.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I watched the combine Green ran like a 4.56
just about the same speed as Mike Will. His vertical and broad jump were off the charts impressive.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
i agree
He’s no Andre Johnson or Larry Ritz…. He may be a roddy white type guy
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 9:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Roddy White has more catches
and yards than Larry Fits the past few years. Being a Roddy White type isn’t exactly a bad thing, even though he can’t get off Talib’s jams lol
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Roddy White Got Shaky Hands Though
He admitted that himself, but he is still very talented and of course Roddy going to have more catches there is no one else in Arizona to throw to except Larry Fitzgerald. At least in Atlanta you have Jones and Gonzalez. Overall though Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Hakeem Nicks, A.J Green, Roddy White all elite WR’s at the end of the day
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Yea being a Roddy white type guy isnt bad. He's good but not elite.
And White has a better qb throwing to him than Fitz does. And White leads the league in drops if im not mistaken.
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If I Had to Rank WR
1. Larry Fitzgerald
2. Calvin Johnson
3. Andre Johnson
4. Hakeem Nicks
5. Roddy White
A.J Green is nice, but I think he can really bring himself into the top 5 just yet. Other people I would consider at 5 though Greg Jennings, Reggie Wayne, Bowe, V. Jackson, all those guys though including Green are top 10
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Thats Your Opinion But .....
Andre Johnson Is Head In Shoulders Number 1 .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 19, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I am not so sure about that...
I would rate Megatron ahead of Andre Johnson, then Fitzgerald.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 19, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
If we're talking solely about today,
Then I would put Megatron at the top of the list. Calvin Johnson right now is a better WR then Andre Johnson is. If we’re talking about including the past, however, I would say both Fitz and Andre rank higher than Megatron because they’ve produced at a high level for years while Megatron is a relatively new WR.
They may be in their prime
But they’re all at different stages of their careers. Fitz has the same physical skills he did a few years back, but has had issues producing thanks to lackluster QB play and not having another quality WR to draw some attention. Some of that though, is because Fitz isn’t quite as physically dominant as he was a few years back during the Warner Era of Cardinals football.
Andre Johnson is a great WR, but he’s had so many injury problems lately that it’s hard to rank him above two guys who have stayed healthy and are still equally as dominant.
Larry Fitz
Has better hands than all of them Calvin Johnson has better hands than Andre Johnson. Larry Fitzgerald gets a good QB to throw to him his numbers would be off the chart for a WR. Megatron has a very good QB, so he looks very good. Andre Johnson also has a very good QB, but he has injury issues and he has had games where he’s been inconsistent, but he’s still an elite WR
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Andre's definitely still an elite WR
But his injury issues cause me to rank him beneath the other 2. Still makes him the 3rd best WR in the league though ;)
Exactly
He’s what we already have unless he can run 4.4 or better he would’nt even be on my draft board.But if there all gone I would trade down and Look at KirkPatrick,Alshon Jeffreys,Lamar Miller,and Kueckly
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 19, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Could Somebody Help Me Clear It Up That ......
There are two linebackers from oklahoma
Ronnel Lewis : is a 3-4 outside linebacker .
Travis Lewis : is a 4-3 linebacker .
So that mean one fits the other dont .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 18, 2012 5:54 PM EST reply actions
So neither could possibly play anywhere else?
See OLB Mason Foster as our ILB. See DE Mario Williams as an OLB. It happens.
Depends on how you want to use them based on their skill set.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
mel kiper is right about the rush offense being below average though
If you haven’t done so see my fanpost comparing the Tampa offense vs defense and pass vs run.
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 6:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I just hope richardson is as good as everyone says he is
pretty sure that’s who we are getting , even if claiborne is there or not
by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 18, 2012 6:56 PM EST reply actions
he looks like the total package
I think the vikings will grab claiborne really if they don’t get any fa cbs. Their pass defense was worse than ours.
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I Know What It Is
Look back at the 2010 season when we had Cadillac Williams he was our change of pace back while Blount was our bull. You put a change of pace back to go with Blount I.E Richardson he will be dominate again, so don’t need to worry about him too much
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
exactly!!!!
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats why im not for adding blackmon
We are asking freeman to throw more and putting more pressure on him to win by throwing more especially after last year? It’s not impossible for him to bounce back but its not guaranteed either and if he can’t then we need to run the ball more or at least have a great rb who can catch and do something after he catches it
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And The Good Thing About Richardson
He’s a change of pace back and he can do the little things, catch, block, make that good cut around the edge, he can be a 3rd down guy if needed. Freeman had the same in Cadillac and he excelled in 2010, but he didn’t excel in his rookie season with just Cadillac when he came in mid-season, so I think Freeman just needs to sharpen up his senses and know to check down when needed and throw a way the ball when pressure is coming
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Yeah Maybe So...
But he didn’t get much out his guys this year I am not talking about becoming Rodgers or Brady, but at least having that awareness because you throw to Richardson in the flat he might be able to break it out for a first down I look at him as a Matt Forte type of player for this team
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Yet he did largely the same thing when checking down to backs
It’s just that Cadillac was much better than Lumpkin.
Well If The Front Office Keeps Their Promise
We should be in good shape going into next season if we go 9-7 I would be proud, but we have to put together the perfect scheme this off season via FA and draft
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
yes lumpkin stinks
I don’t know what they saw in him
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 9:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lumpkin looked better than noone in my eyes.
Cadillac looks great for us in 2010 after Blount took over, Lumpkin might have made like three first downs all season. I can probably count on one hand the amount of broken tackles or the amount of times Lumpy made someone miss in the open field.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
While Richardson may indeed have the ability to be a change of pace back,
No team in their right mind spends a 5th overall pick on a change of pace back. If Richardson is the pick, then Blount becomes the backup.
Personally, I don’t see that happening. I think it far more likely the Bucs look for a 3rd down back either in FA or in the mid-rounds of the draft.
Then It's Back to Square One
I said before if we sign to DB’s why take Claiborne he would be useless to us. Same deal if we signed 1 DB and Talib stays on the roster then again he is useless to us. Richardson is suppose to be that game changer he supposedly has the It factor then I would take him with the 5th pick remember it’s a month between FA and the draft, so all this can change come draft day this is a Mock draft, so we see it and believe it to the letter. Regardless we’re going to get a great player at 5 so just be happy and rejoice
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
I'd be happy either way,
But I’d be more happy with Morris. I don’t think it’s likely the Bucs will sign 2 FA CBs. I also don’t think it’s likely that Talib will stay on the roster. I’d be willing to bet the Bucs sign at most 1 FA CB, which means there will still be a gaping hole at the other starting position. That’s why I say draft Morris Claiborne, not just because he looks to be a great CB.
Richardson would be nice to have, but I don’t think the value is there at 5th overall. Blount can’t really play change-of-pace or 3rd down back. His only real options are to be our starter, or to be a pure depth guy, 3rd on the depth chart and brought in when our starter can’t go for whatever reason on 1st and 2nd down (fatigue, injury, etc.). Blounts more then a depth guy, which is why I’ve been saying over and over that we need to bring in a complement to him. Someone who can play 3rd down and change-of-pace while he starts….and that won’t be Richardson, because if we spend the 5th overall pick on someone they damned well better be a starter lol.
Only Problem
Talib don’t go to jail he probably will stay on the roster. I say on the safe side sign 2 DB’s and you can use Richardson and Blount how the Giants use Jacobs and Bradshaw, split the carries up and Lumpkin can still get a little bit of burn like D.J Ware which will keep both RB’s fresh. We could play a few 2 RB sets with Blount and Richardson as well. Regardless I don’t care who is taken at 5 as long as we fix a few problems on this team come FA time, I think FA we def. will go Back Up QB, WR, OL, LB, CB, and S. Our other needs like TE, another CB, another WR, RB, OL, S, could be addressed during the draft.
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
I have a hard time believing Talib will be back
Regardless of how his court case turns out.
Like I said too, Blount isn’t well suited to being a 3rd down or change-of-pace guy, so if we get Richardson our only real choice is to either make Blount our 3rd RB on the depth chart (which he’s too talented to waste there) or cut him. Were Blount better catching out of the backfield or pass blocking I would say that wouldn’t be a problem, but he’s not so it is. Draft or sign a complement for him, because that would allow everyone to play to their strengths.
Speaking of TE in the draft though, as you brought up….I wouldn’t be angry if the Bucs did something unexpected like taking the Stanford TE, Fleeney, with our 2nd round pick. He’d make a great replacement for K2, who seems to have lost what made him special. Pair him with either Luke Stocker or a FA acquisition like John Carlson or Martellus Bennett and I think we’d have a deadly TE combo.
No Doubt About It
All they need to do is split carries it’s not going to kill us Blount can be the bowling ball and Richardson that guy who breaks it out on the edge. I would use 2 back sets and hand the ball off to Blount since Richardson can block and when Blount gets into the open field he is almost unstoppable. Our offense would look so much better with those 2 running all over defenses
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Unless both are extremely good receiving backs
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 19, 2012 4:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Huh?
The Giants never have two running backs on the field at the same time. They do run plenty of pro sets with a fullback, but that’s not the kind of 2-back set we were talking about.
Yes they have run sets with Jacobs and Bradshaw on the field.
You dont watch every snap of every game of the NY Giants so you cant sit here and say that they have NEVER run a 2 back set. They dont run it often but they have run the set sir.
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Oh fine, I'm sure they have a few of those
If so, it’s a minimal part of their gameplan. Are you going to harp on unimportant details?
No need. I stick to what i said before.
Although minimal you still cant say that it NEVER happens when it does. And your welcome.
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i would say not too many 2 back sets though.
It would be good at times but not constantly
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Richardson > Blount, sure.
But Blount doesn’t really have the skill set right now to be a proper #2 RB. He’s either a 1 or a 3.
Nor does Brandon Jacobs.
Not really a very good blocker, average pass catcher but yet the Giants utilize him correctly. He doesnt come in just on 3rd down and nor does Blount have to do that either.
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and blackmon dont seem elite to me.
Looks good but not an elite guy.
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 18, 2012 7:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Combine is next week
if Blackmon somehow runs in the low to mid 4.4s his draft stock soars. If he’s like Mike Will and Rejus and runs in the 4.5 range than hell no to him.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I don't know if it will have that big of an impact, really
Remember there was some hype about Julio Jones after he ran a 4.38 on a broken foot while A.J. Green ran a 4.48. A.J. Green was still selected first, because his tape was simply much, much better. Blackmon’s tape is good, but it also shows his deficiencies. A fast combine time won’t change that tape.
Dude going off of tape Blackmon
put up amazing tape all season the past two seasons. over 1500 and 15 tds back to back years is far better tape than A.J. and Julio in terms of production. I’m not trying to argue that Blackmon is better than either, personally I’d choose both over Blackmon. Just saying if he lights up the combine he improves his draft stock.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I think you misunderstand what I mean by 'tape'
Blackmon put up terrific numbers, yes. But a lot of that was a result of how he was used, and the kinds of routes he ran. Lots of curl routes close to the line, lots of slants, lots of short stuff. A lot of things about Blackmon stand out on tape – his skills with the ball in the air most importantly, but he showed no deep speed at all on tape.
Ive heard hes slow to get off the line
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 19, 2012 4:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If Blackmon is the next M. Irvin, Richardson the next E. Smith and
Claiborne the next D. Sanders, then who do we select? If we go with greatest need, then it has to be Claiborne. Not easy to screw this up. Yet trading down still puts us in a spot to get Kuechly or D’Castro which wouldn’t hurt either plus give us another pick. Hard for Dom to go wrong at the draft this time.
Claiborne isn't Deion (w/e spelling), he doesn't have his freakish athleticism.
He has much better potential to be an Asomugha or Revis.
"Number one song and a Grammy, now I'm smashing
Maserati crashing, swerving through the traffic
Wrap it 'round a pole, sell a mil off the tragedy
I defy gravity "
It's funny,
According to SC, Kiper say the needs for the Bucs are CB,LB,and S, yet he has us taking Richardson twice now. I would still rather draft Claiborne and try to sign Nicks and 1of the good receivers likeVJack or Stevie(preferably Vjack).
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
James
YO, We need claiborne to have at least one good corner and then get James from orgeon to be that complement to BIG BRUSING BLOUNT
LETS GO BUCS!!!
Claiborne
The BUCS should take Clauborne at 5. Miami has a RB similar to McCoy we could pick up 2nd round. CB is a position you draft every so many years, if you draft good, you have players like Ronde that play forever. If our defense is shut down and we get a good WR in free agency, it’s all uphill. Richardson is good, but in 5trs where will he be compared to Claiborne. You need someone to shut down Receivers in the South
by ballerinda on Feb 19, 2012 10:10 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I love your plan, but
Miller wont make it to our pick. Especially after the combine. He probably runs under a 4.4, and his stock soars. I would love to see him in pewter though.
by flash_kiley on Feb 19, 2012 10:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
There are very few backs in the league
As talented as richardson. Thats why to the draft guru its a no brainer. No nfl defender would want to go against blount and richardson, that would be to much to handle. We have a chance to get a rookie who would be one of the best players at his position, there should be no debate if he is on the board
by keysersoze19 on Feb 20, 2012 12:00 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Yet there is a debate
Because what you’re saying is complete poppycock. Plenty of ‘draft gurus’ wouldn’t take any running back that high, including Richardson.
By the way, this whole “No NFL defender would want to go against Blount and Richardson” stuff is ludicrous. You can only give one of them the ball at the same time. No NFL defender would have to deal with trying to defend both of them.
Yea they will
If both of those guys are on the same team, when you think about playing the bucs you will think about stopping both. Do you know anything about the game? The physical nature of both players is overwhelming when you think about it. A defender will have to deal with that mentally, in order to attempt to contain those guys. Then you got to worry about free. The combination of those guys gives us a huge advantage week in and week out. It will also make our inexperienced coaching staff job a lot easy.
by keysersoze19 on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST via Android app reply actions
No, keyser, I obviously know nothing about this game I write about
A defender will have to worry about that mentally? Is that what we’re selecting players on now? Whether a defender is going to be mentally concerned? How do you measure that, anyway? What is the impact of that on the field? And why would a defender have to worry more about Richardson than a receiver would about Claiborne?
Also, please use the reply button when replying.
Keyser Is Rite I Been Saying That ....
If you have blount & richardson it’s an advantage .
Usally it takes until the mid 3rd quarter to wear out a defense with a power running game , With both it happens much more quicker .
Unless you are ray lewis , brian urlacher , or patrick willis you are gonna get tired of trying to tackle such physical guys down after down .
The mental advantage is enough to wear you out but when the physical advantage actually starts happening teams will be overwhelm .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, having both is an advantage
But that’s not the issue. No one’s arguing that Richardson wouldn’t improve the team. The argument is whether he’d improve the team more than other players.
Of Course He Will ...
1. Him & Blount makes our defense better first , We will improve our tackling , As well as toughness .
2. Good Character Guy , He will fit in with the locker room we dont have bad guys .
3. Work ethic he will push not only his position , but the team the way he works can rub off in make guys like freeman & penn keep pushing to be better .
4. He is natural leader
5. He’s a winner
6. The most positve thing is if he & blount are running efffectivly , The defense gets to adjust as well as rest .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
He & Blount will have a minimal effect on the Bucs' defense
There’s very little full contact allowed in practices now. That’s not going to be a factor.
You’re also failing to compare Richardson to other options.
Other Options Dont Matter When Your're Clearly The Best .....
You dont see the colts comparing luck to griffin do you ?
The second back is lamar miller in i am a cane at heart , But lamar is nowhere close to trent richardson overall in no way , shape , or form .
Now if you was talking about morris claiborne you can argue that dre kirkpatrick is better .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah You Write About Football , But You Never Played , You Couldnt Have , You Dont Understand .
Dre Kirkpatrick is just as good .
He was known off since he step on the field his junior year of high school .
He didnt even have other corners on his team to take pressure off him at alabama .
If you look at the two games alabama & lsu played , Who showed up on film rather the ball was being thrown there way or not ? Kirkpatrick .
The biggest difference was lsu ran into a brick wall every time they went to kirkpatrick side in the first game they played , Until the honey badger cheap shot him in knocked him out the game , Then thats when lsu ford #42 got the big run to win the game kirkpatrick wasnt there . The championship game kiirkpatrick dominated he wasnt thrown at in he made every tackle flowed his way .
If You Go By Down The Line It’s A Debate :
Speed : Tie Untill The Combine
Quickness : Claiborne
Tackling: Kirkpatrick
Football IQ: Kirkpatrick
Man Coverage : Tie
Zone Coverage: Tie
Hips: Claiborne
Bump & Run: Kirkpatrick
Physicality : Kirkpatrick
Fitness : Claiborne
Ball Skills: Tie
Blitzing: Kirkpatrick
Nickle/Slot: Claiborne
Comment: Its alot closer then people think , Dont let the the kirkpatrick arrest fool you , Its all about what you like better . Me i like a rough & tough guy so ill take kirkpatrick all day everyday .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Kirkpatrick is a better fit as a zone corner because he's a better tackler
That’s the only thing he has on Claiborne. Claiborne is much better in coverage, especially man coverage, than Kirkpatrick. You’re the only person I’ve seen hold this opinion, and plenty of people who have played football hold the opinion that Claiborne is much better than Kirkpatrick. Because he is.
I Guess Those Same People Say ...
Every NFL Player Has A Great Work Ethic Too Rite ?
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Its more to it then that mental part
Even though 75% of the game is mental. He is someone worth spending money to go to the stadium to see. His potential is so high that when he peeks he may be looked at as one of the best players in football. Playactoin will be like the atomic bomb with richardson and blount running the ball. He is a guy who can do everything required as a rb. All that and more is why I think there should be no debate in who we should take. I’m tired of our offense going three and out, its because we are easy to prepare for. With blount and richardson a coach will have a extremely hard time preparing for us, and depending on how creative our staff gets with a backfield of richardson, blount and free, you have to think how do you stop this attack, how would you sander?
by keysersoze19 on Feb 20, 2012 2:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
In Stacking The Box Opens The Unbelievable Plays ...
How you think the 49ers got that alex smith bootleg td against the saints in the playoffs ?
There power run game took that much attention the defense was completelly lost .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Mostly because Vernon Davis is really good and the Saints defense is not
My point is that you don’t need to have Richardson to get teams to stack the box. Blount gets that response, too.
Vernon Davis
Had nothing to do with that play .
That play was because of the running game it was a designed play action bootleg .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, sorry, you meant the bootleg TD
Yeah, that happened because the Saints sent a crazy overload blitz the other way. Which they always do, because they have Gregg Williams as their defensive coordinator. It had nothing to do with the running game.
Sander one thing about you ....
Your’re tough you dont give in .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 20, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Our wideouts
Will pick up big numbers if that happens. But logically thinking it will be the only way to stop a back field with blount and richardson. Sander don’t you think free will be more effective and efficient if teams got to stack the box to stop our run game
by keysersoze19 on Feb 20, 2012 3:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
2 great TEs and that "8 in the box" thing blows up in your face.
Put a “hat-on-a hat” blocking and that leaves one defender free to stop a RB with a full head of steam. I will take those odds every single time.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
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