The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are adding experience to help Greg Schiano

by Sander on Feb 16, 2012 8:51 PM EST in Franchise Analysis

I've got a ridiculous amount of Schiano pictures from his press conference - but none of Butch Davis or Mike Sullivan. 'Sup, AP and Getty?

When Raheem Morris became the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2009 he was inexperienced - his most recent experience came as a position coach. The Bucs tried to surround him with experience, hiring two former head coaches as coordinators. Those two head coaches were fired before the end of the year, and that once again left an inexperienced Morris alone at the head of a football team. Things didn't end well.

The Bucs are trying to do the same thing with Greg Schiano, but it feels different this time. Schiano has a decade of experience as a head coach (albeit at the college level) and presumably has a heavy hand in these hirings. More importantly perhaps, the Bucs have added experience to assist the coordinators, too. Butch Davis will be able to help the new defensive coordinator (by doing everything but coaching) as well as Schiano. Veteran offensive coach Jimmy Raye II will likely help Mike Sullivan install his offense. It seems very unlikely the season will end with two fired coordinators this time around.

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I hope this works.

I really hope this isnt a case of too many chefs in the kitchen.

by gusjackson on Feb 16, 2012 9:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions

No way.

This isn’t a kitchen, it’s an organization with many parts. There is always something to do. If anything, it just means that there are more people to do more work. Thus, we will put out a better product.

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by jBen05 on Feb 16, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions

We can only hope

by BucfaninAZ on Feb 16, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions

Little anxious, but not too bad

My concern right now is that we STILL don’t have a defensive coordinator. While that coordinator is an important decision. At the same time, the overall strategic vision is mist important, IMO. And I feel good about the leadership we ate building on this team with Schiano, Sullivan, Davis, Raye. As long as Schiano brings on lower level coaches (ie receivers coaches, line coach, etc) that know how to communicate, motivate, lead, and guide their players and that know the skills needed to be successful at their respective
positions, I will feel ok about non NFL coaches At this point it seems that’s all that is left! The reality is that these lower level coaches are not designing the strategy or system, they are mainly pushing their guys to make sure they are embodying the system. I know there is more to it than what I am saying… But I am trying to find the silver lining in a rather bleach coaching situation. Put it this way, I remain optimistic!!

by gmaz1 on Feb 16, 2012 10:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Assist the coordinators?

We don’t even have a DC yet. Frankly, having Davis over my shoulder would not be anything I’d want if I were starting a new DC job. They should have already had a DC in mind that has worked with Davis, made Davis the DC (whatever it took), or found their DC first. You could have pulled this off if you had a set of guys in mind that worked well together, but we apparently had no clue who we wanted as DC.

I think this situation is completely ridiculous.

by aakks on Feb 17, 2012 6:52 AM EST reply actions

Or maybe.....

by bucswillwin on Feb 17, 2012 6:56 AM EST up reply actions

the new DC will think that he can blame Davis

if his defense sucks. Also Schiano will be helping with the defense so maybe the new DC wont get all the heat just all the glory.

by bucswillwin on Feb 17, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions

If I had to guess

I would suspect someone else from the Miami Staff when Davis and Schiano were there. It woulld be tough, I would assume, for an outsider to feel comfortable in that position.

Who needs normal sleep patterns?

by AcadianTraverse on Feb 17, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions

Yup Samething I said(Shannon)

Every Since I’ve heard that Butch wasn’t going to be DC but will be assisting our DC I’ve gotten the thought that we will eventually hire Randy Shannon as DC.

by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 17, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions

I'd prefer an NFL guy

but Shannon had great success as a DC. He had a top 7 defense in 5 of his 6 years as Miami’s DC. Not so good as a HC, but that’s probably ok. I could live with Shannon, especially considering how few options we seem to have.

by aakks on Feb 17, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions

My bold (and uneducated) prediction

Schiano might well end up being our DC. The fact that Davis’s role has yet to be defined certainly doesn’t help attracting quality candidates, from pro or college level.

Now, obviously, Raye’s presence didn’t turn Mike Sullivan off — and I don’t mean here that having those two guys as advisors is bad, to the contrary. But apparently, there might not be a lot of Sullivans out there…

by clicjf on Feb 17, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions

Raye is not as imposing as Davis imo

I also wonder if we’re going to end up with Schiano as DC. I’d really not like that to be the case again.

by aakks on Feb 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions

I wouldn't want to come here if I was an up and coming DC

First, I don’t know how much responsibility I’ll have. Second, I wouldn’t get any credit for any success. Too many question marks regarding who did what behind the scenes. Even if a DC came in and did spectacularly he would likely be overlooked for head coaching jobs down the road.

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by LeeCaz on Feb 17, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions

Ouch ... you guys better hope Jimmy Raye has nothing at all to do with actually picking plays and calling them.

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by James Brady on Feb 17, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions

Shot themselves in the foot once might aswell shoot the other foot

Cause honestley the glazers didnt learn the first time with morris and look what happened, and now they get schiano with no NFL experiance and are about to do the same exact thing.
I guess if you dont succeed try and try again till you repeat 0-26, the glazers are like jerry jones except thier tightwads from hell and this team is cursed with them..

by Holy Moly on Feb 18, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions