2012 Free Agency: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers Must Pursue Cornerbacks and Linebackers
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been publicly stating that they will spend in free agency this offseason. This departure from years past brings up an immediate question: where and how will they spend this money? I can think of two excellent spots to start: cornerback and linebacker.
Those two positions are large needs for the Bucs for different reasons. At cornerback the Bucs are likely to lose Ronde Barber, and even if he returns he is clearly a declining player. In addition, Aqib Tailb faces trial in March and may not return to the team even if he's not convicted of a felony. Behind those players the team has little depth, and they must find replacements for those two starters.
At linebacker, the Bucs don't really have any quality starters. Mason Foster showed some promise as a middle linebacker early last year but he regressed throughout the rest of the season. Geno Hayes and Quincy Black both had terrible seasons, and Hayes is unlikely to return as his contract has run out. Behind them, Dekoda Watson isn't consistent enough to be a quality starter and Adam Hayward is nothing more than a useful and versatile backup. The Bucs must find at least one and preferably two new starters for next season.
As it so happens, this is an excellent season to find new cornerbacks and linebackers in free agency. Both positions are likely to be very deep, although undoubtedly the list will look less appealing once franchise tags and re-signings have happened.
Still, the list of linebackers is impressive. Curtis Lofton, Dan Connor, Stephen Tulloch, Barrett Ruud (maybe shouldn't have let him walk, huh?), D'Qwell Jackson, David Hawthorne, Joe Mays, Ahmad Brooks and a host of other names are scheduled to hit the market. Signing just one of these players should immediately improve the Bucs' terrible defense.
Similarly, the team is likely to have plenty of options at cornerback. Cortland Finnegan stands out, but he is far from the only cornerback to hit the market. Brandon Carr, Brent Grimes, Stanford Routt, Carlos Rogers, Terrell Thomas, Aaron Ross, Eric Wright and Rashean Mathis will all be free agents this offseaon - and the Bucs could certainly find a quality starter among them.
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As apoplectic as that would make some people on here,
I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing Ruud back if we can’t land one of the better quality MLBs like Dan Connor or Stephen Tulloch.
Ruud may not be excellent in run support because he has trouble shedding blocks, but he is a reliable wrap-up tackler who plays good coverage….or at least he did when he was a Buc. Better defensive line play should mean fewer blocks for Ruud to try and shed, and better play against the run as a result. While he’s not the best option available, he’s not a bad one either.
Connor and Tulloch would both look good in Pewter though, especially Connor who is fairly young and a legit starter at MLB.
Oh my... I would prefer another player first
as the defensive scheme Barrett Ruud had some success with is likely gone from Tampa. We can do far better (I hope) than Ruud in our F/A search.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Same thing we said last year when we let him go.
How’d that turn out? Who was that we replaced him with ? Oh yah a Rookie playing in a position he’s not suited nor ready for.
Plus the biggest problem on them team was tackling. You know that one thing Ruud led most LBers in the league in the last few years? Sure it was 5 yards down field, but at least he got the ball to the ground. More then 80% of our defense can say right now.
Well, we needed to TRY and replace him - which we didn't
Stephen Tulloch was out there (ironically, Ruud replaced Tulloch at TEN, though not very well).
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Tulloch is out there again Ironically too :)
Wouldn’t mind the second swing at him. He is looking at a big check from Detroit tho, I’m sure.
That being Said.
I would like to see us go after a more Elite MLB. Hard nosed and Strong beast of a man to hold down the center.
I just hate people bashing Ruud so much. He is a little soft, but was still a better LBer then alot of others out there. Very very smart too.
Him missing showed. As sad as that sounds.
I agree...
That Ruud was better than our current options…but as a fan from the realistic side, Dom is invested in Mason Foster, he spent a 3rd round pick on him. He’s going to give him every chance to improve this year to do otherwise is to admit a big mistake.
by DraftPhantom on Feb 15, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Thats part of the reason I think he starts next year
He has a valuable year of experience under his belt which will help him. I think he has the talent to prove he deserves the job, and through camp I think he will do that. I can’t stress how hard it is to use your talents and abilities to your advantage when you are not comfortable with your role on the field. This guy is a student of the game, and he had good athletic ability and he is a good tackler. Watch you guys will see
by keysersoze19 on Feb 15, 2012 7:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That all depends on who we bring in...
as Foster has some talent, but it may not compare favorably to Stephen Tulloch, D’Qwell Jackson or some other candidate. He will remain a Buc regardless of his MLB starting position.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Foster seems better suited to one of the outside positions,
So Dom being invested in him doesn’t mean a whole lot. If Ruud were brought back, Foster just moves to the outside and continues to start.
Well Cracker,
While we probably could do better than Ruud in FA, I find it hard to believe the Bucs will shell out the money necessary to bring in Tulloch. Dan Connor is a real possibility though, as having a limited body of work will mean he doesn’t command as much of a contract.
In terms of skills and tiers on this years FA market, I’d put Ruud behind those two, but probably ahead of the rest of the MLB market.
I am not as anti-Ruud as I was 2 seasons ago...
but surely we can find somebody else out there that can do what we need here, and is a more willing tackler. For a guy that weighs 240+ he tackles like a CB.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 6:44 AM EST up reply actions
When rudd left there was no drop off whatsoever
Foster was doing ok before he got injured. He’s a rookie , we gotta give him more time to develop. His position isn’t learned overnight.
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 16, 2012 4:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
True that...
but Ruud did have a tremendous grasp of our DEF – even if he did tackle like a 12 year old girl.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
We need more hard nosed players that have to rely on technical skills and smarts
and less players that rely on pure natural ability that can’t tackle.
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absolutely.
Only offensive player this team should target in fa is a wr. They need to get starts immediately on defense
by gusjackson on Feb 15, 2012 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe we can pick him up before someone recognizes his obvious talents!
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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 15, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Best MLB We Had Since Brooks
He could tackle, get into the backfield, read the play, and we let him go because we were to cheap to pay him
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I think there was more to it then that. I think raheem had it out for him because he wasn't one of his 'boys'.
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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 15, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure anyone had it "out" for him
His play in ’10 decreased sharply and he was a liability at times. Dom has been consistent in trying to develop youth to subplant mediocre starters.
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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 15, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
So he got run over a couple of times...
He was still a good tackler but some people on this site were clamoring for him to be released because they wanted the next Urlacher or the next Ray Lewis… I never understood that to be honest. He was still a good game caller and he still made certain plays for us and was rarely if ever out of position. I can also recall a game in 2010 in which he single handedly won us a game by stripping the ball from a RB on a goal line stand that would have lost us the game if they had scored.
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
I'm not a hue fan but Ruud
atleast “hugged” as some said, but it allowed for the gang assist. Gotta mean something. Plus if Gmac and our gang of future DLine studs actually grew a hairy pair, Ruud could play to his strengths in coverage. I like Foster tho, he had enough agility and awareness to smash Ocho a good one.
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by Titankillah on Feb 15, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
There's no reason the two couldn't co-exist
As Foster is well suited to an OLB role in our 4-3. We’d still have a thumper in the LB corps, but he’d be playing next to a good defensive general who was great at setting up the defense, and could teach Foster a thing or two about being a sure tackler.
Can’t tell you how many times I screamed at the TV when our LBs went for a kill shot and either whiffed or bounced off without the runner going down. Wrap them up!!!
I wouldn't mind bringing back Rudd and Caddy
We could get them both dirt cheap at this point. Not as starters or anything but they could provide good depth for our roster. They are both good locker room guys also.
I would be fine with that!
I mean that would at least give me 2 more active players’ jerseys!
by RuudAwakening on Feb 16, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
You guys have not seen what foster can do.
He was not able to showcase his full talents last year
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2012 6:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Brooks played OLB...
the previous MLB to Ruud was Shelton Quarles
by Gage Tyler Bain on Feb 15, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
He was let go because the team wanted a "thumper" at MLB.
That’s not Ruud’s forte. He is, however, a sure tackler and an excellent defensive on-the-field captain.
by KRoa on Feb 15, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
brooks was an OLB.
But i did say that Rudd was the best since Nickerson. I got so much flack for that.
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Uh... Derrick Brooks was an OLB here
and Barrett Ruud couldn’t hold Hardy Nickersons jockstrap.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, ruud was definetly no quarles or nickerson.
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by Bucfan on Feb 15, 2012 7:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nickerson was our best MLB ever.
Quarles was ok in my eyes. Not great. But we didnt have very many greats at MLB after Nickerson
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he only signed a 1 year contract.
He most likely won’t be resigned by them because their Rookie MLB McCarthy was doing really well when Ruud was injured.
by Gage Tyler Bain on Feb 15, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha.
I think at this point Ruud is going to have to settle for being a 4th LB or convert to a 3-4 defense
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I still think he'll get a shot to start at MLB somewhere...
What he has to explain is why he kept getting lost in coverage over at Tennesse…
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
He only signed...
A one year deal so he is a FA.
by Steven Person on Feb 15, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
2 CB's, 1 Safety, 2 LB's, 1 QB, 1 or 2 WR's, 1 RB, 2 OL
All of TB needs, but DB should be our number 1 focus.
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
we need a backup
I am tired of the winless Josh Johnson I rather have Jason Campbell behind Freeman
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Speeking of QB's...
Coach Sullivan’s PC was just posted on the Bucs Website
just watched
starting to get exited about this hire. now we just need a DC.
by Jason Meyers on Feb 15, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I was very impressed with coach Sullivan
after hearing him we may be ok with the WR we have, but still lack the deep threat
Good stuff so far...
The more I hear from Coaches Schiano and Sullivan the better I feel about the future of the Bucs. Their experience, work ethic, honesty and vision already seem to be a clear upgrade from the previous staff.
I'm sure I'm not the only one...
… who could sense the confusion/lack of direction every time Raheem or Olson took the podium. Let’s just say Raheem’s players were not the only ones that lacked consistency.
by BucsWarrior on Feb 15, 2012 8:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Sorry but rah
Was always consistent with his speech, I an able top get a close look at rex ryan now that was a confused guy, and he admit it.
by keysersoze19 on Feb 15, 2012 9:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Only thing Rah was consistent at
was repeating that we play hard, smart, and consistent. That was far from what actually happened with this team.
^^^This^^^
Any post game press conference from the past three seasons will exemplify what has been stated above. Besides the now infamous mantra, “Hard, Smart, Consistent…,” win or lose, Raheem always came off as surprised at how his team preformed. #Inconsistent
keysersoze19, I do agree with your later post that if available, the Bucs will draft Trent Richardson at number five. The Bucs want to “Run the ball and stop the run.” With no clear front seven option to draft on D at number five, the Bucs draft the freak from Bama to tote the rock and Blount becomes our Brandon Jacobs.
Rah may have repeated the phrase over and over...
but clearly no one was listening. Let’s hope Schiano can keep the players focused and on point.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Rudy Carpenter
Is fine at back up QB, he was drafted in the same year as Freeman and he knows the team, he has just been on practice squad all this time.
by Steven Person on Feb 15, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Backup QB, yes.
Backup QBs should be veterans, someone who can take over the reigns if something happens to the starter without basically giving up on the season.
Orton and Campbell both can fulfill that particular niche pretty well, if they’re willing to become backups rather than keep their starting dreams alive.
Agreed
I would even say McNabb if he wasn’t such a crab cause he could really teach Freeman something especially with all his experience, but McNabb is no mentor
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I would actually like Matt Flynn, Kyle Orton, or Derek Anderson to backup Freeman.
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
LMAO @Flynn
He’s going to Miami, Derek Anderson is a joke, Kyle Orton sure
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Hear me out:
I agree Matt Flynn has only played one NFL game but he was great in it – broke a few records i’m told. I’m not saying let’s make him the star QB but i think we might get a serviceable backup to Freeman on the cheap. Unless of course some desperate team wants to pay him star QB money and wants to start him then of course we look elsewhere. As for Derek Anderson, he had one good year and then disappeared… i’m kind of interested to see if he still has it. I kind of see him as a reclamation project that can be helpful to our team. Either way, he’ll be inexpensive and i’m sure he’ll still be able to help in Freeman’s progress. What do you guys think?
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
Flynn is going to "cash in" with this opportunity
and we should be looking at somebody like Kellen Moore to develop and sign a 2nd tier veteran QB to back-up Freeman.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Kellen Moore
Is this years andy dalton.
by keysersoze19 on Feb 15, 2012 7:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No agreements allowed here.
Please step to the side and let the floggings begin. Lol
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by Bucfan on Feb 15, 2012 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Matt Flynn will not come cheap.
He’s going to end up in one of probably four cities: Miami, Seattle, Washington or Cleveland. All of them will pay him a rather large bounty to go there. We’re not saying that Flynn didn’t play great in that game, we’re saying he played TOO well and there’s no way he signs anywhere as a backup this year. He’ll be someone’s starter next season.
As for Anderson, I wouldn’t want him to back up Freeman. I want someone who is relatively proven and reliable, and while Anderson had talent the best you could ever say about him was that he was inconsistent. I wouldn’t want someone like that helping to mentor my relatively young QB.
If I thought McNabb were ready to face reality and figure out he’s no longer a starting QB, I’d add him to my backup QB wishlist, but I think he still thinks he’s a starter, despite the evidence from the last two years.
I Like Charley Casserly Mock Draft On Nfl.Com ....
5th: Morris Claiborne .
With Vontaze Burflict Falling Into The Second Rd .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 5:26 PM EST reply actions
The 2nd rd has been good to us the last couple years....
Vontaze Burflict would be nice if he’s available in the 2nd rd when we pick; Im personally hoping Lamar Miller falls out of the 1st rd and is there for us in the 2nd. Morris in the 1st, Miller in the 2nd, and Bradham in the 3rd would be a dream come true for me.
that would be great
if we get clayborne in the first and lamar miller in the second that what i hoping for.
Talent level he is a first rounder.
Attitude, character, and work ethic, he is an undrafted free agent. Someone with a stable locker room (Baltimore, Pittsburgh, New England, NY Giants, San Fran) will take a chance on him. We can’t afford for him to become a cancer.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Agree. We desperately need to upgrade the Safeties
Our entire defense needs to be replaced / overhauled except for the D line.
My List
CB- Brandon Carr
S- Laron Landry
LB- Tulloch, Lofton or Jackson
WR- Vincent Jackson but would take Bowe
OL- Nicks
Claiborne, a RB and a LB in the draft!
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 15, 2012 6:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Defense .....
DE: Calais Campbell / Daquan Bowers / George Johnson
DT: Gerald Mccoy / Jovan Haye
NT: Brian Price / Frank Okam / Roy Miller
DE: Adrian Clayborn / Michael Bennett
OLB: Dekota Watson / Quincy Black
MLB: Curtis Lofton / Tank Carder
OLB: Mason Foster / Sean Spence
NB: Anthony Gaitor / Barber / Lewis / Mack / Biggers
CB: Aquib Talib
CB: Morris Claiborne
FS: Tanard Jackson / Ahmad Black
SS: Michael Griffin / Cody Grimm
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 6:07 PM EST reply actions
Offense .....
QB: Josh Freeman / Brady Quinn
FB: Jacob Hester
RB: Lagarrette Blount / Peyton Hillis / Montel Harris
WR: Michael Williams / Ed Gant
WR: Rejus Benn / Travis Benjamin
WR: Dezmon Briscoe / Preston Parker
TE: Kellen Winslow / Luke Stocker / Martellus Bennett
OT: Anthony Collins
OG: Davin Joseph
C: Jeremy Zuttah
OG: Carl Nicks
OT: Donald Penn
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Comments .....
Just my opinion of a good roster .
Add coaching & apply tba we could be good .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Not Much Improvement
I mean you added very few pieces to a team that looks already like it’s about to have a triple bypass. We would have to sign pretty much every single big name at every position except QB in order for this roster to actually look talented again. We need Bowe or V. Jackson, Finnegan, Grimes, and/or Landry, Griffin, Lofton, D’Qwell Jackson, Nicks, J. Campbell… The draft makes it TBD
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See Yall Just Wanna Spend Money .....
We have un-groomed talent .
We just need an elite piece here and there .
We have for the most part players that will fit the roles in the new schemes .
We need a field stretcher , It doesnt take 8-10 million ah year to do that .
We need a corner & halfback , We can go either or draft or free agency for that Basically Interchangeable .
We need the money to go to guard , linebacker , & safety . ( nicks , lofton , griffin )
We all didnt agree that we should go get another pass rusher such as mario williams or calais campbell , Because we have defensive ends ( clayborn , bowers , bennett ) . But we have receivers ( williams , benn , briscoe ) also so whats the difference really ?
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
So...
With potentially 63.2 Million dollars you would barely spend any money on a team with probably more holes than any other team in the entire league, we need almost every position except D-Line and QB, 2 pieces won’t fix the secondary no way you put it Claiborne and another signing won’t do it. We need a nickel corner as well why I am an advocate of signing 2 DB’s. Say Claiborne gets hurt then we back to square one where we have one good DB and a bunch of suspect players, all our needs are as follows 2 CB’s, 1 Safety, 2 LB’s, 1 Backup QB, 1 or 2 WR’s, 1 RB, 2 OL
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No Im Saying ....
If you spend it spend it in areas that will improve your team , But most of all solidify your team .
Dont just want guys because they are big names be realistic .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
We have needs everywhere
Nobody expects us to get all these big names, but we should be trying to get some of them. And outside of DE, QB, RG, and LT, we need talent everywhere.
WR? Solid core, maybe, but still need a true deep threat.
RB? Need a second back
DT? Injuries, injuries, injuries. We need a talented 3rd DT badly.
RT, LG, C? Need at least 2 of those upgraded
LB, CB, S? We are desperate for talent at every single one of these
Like Last Year .....
Malcom Floyd Would Have Been An Huge Pick Up For Us .
He’s Is A Big Target , That Can Stretch The Field .
But We Didnt Go Get Em.
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ha... there is a big long list of players
we didn’t go get last year. Let’s hope this regime is different.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Last offseason we were a good team
All we needed was a punter. Well, so Dom’s actions claim anyways….
IMO...
We need to address CB, G, LB, WR via Free-Agency…Brandon Carr, Benn Grubbs, Dan Conner, and a Deep Threat at WR; I’d take Vincent, Desean, OR Stevie Johnson…As far as Safety is concerned the only Free Agent I like is SS Tyvon Branch
would love
to grab stevie johnson. That kid always plays like he has something to prove and we need that!
He would be a legit #1 receiver we need.
As long as he can keep his ego in check. And stop with the drops. Our own receivers were way top good at dropping the ball last year.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 12:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Peyton Hillis....Really???? On what grounds would that make sense?
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
He Would Fit The Role .....
1. Pass Blocking
2. Pass Catcher
3. Tough Runner
4. Young
5. Affortable
6. Productive
7. Character
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Don't really think he falls into your 5 6 or 7.
Still think that Madden Cover went to his head so he might be asking for more money than he’s worth so you can scratch off number 5. As for productivity and character, let’s not forget that he sat out some games last year because he felt a little sick (or some analysts say because his agent told him to sit them out while they were negotiating a contract)?
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
You Forgot 2...
8. Injury Prone
9. Overrated
Hillis Isn't Bad
But he isn’t good either he’s a decent back, but til we know he’s healthy I wouldn’t risk him giving him a multi-year deal
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Besides that, i still think Blount is the better back.
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
That would be a crazy "rhino and rhino" backfield though...
Opposing S and LBs would be all bruised up the next day.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Not better then
Blount and richardson
by keysersoze19 on Feb 15, 2012 7:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I would rather have richardson than hillis....
Hillis is a poor mans Alstott, he is not all that.
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by Bucfan on Feb 15, 2012 8:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Me Too ...
But Everybody Wants Claiborne .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Tough smart physical discipline explosive
Those are the things mike sullivan said our offense will be. When I think of Trent I see a tough physical smart discipline and explosive player. When you are a team picking in the top 5 you are taking value or a franchise taking player, richardson is both. This corner everyone wants is a need pick, I’ve seen alphonso smith from wakeforest, and javier areans from bama make a bigger impact on their respected teams while they were in college then this corner everyone wants. Sullivan knows the impact a dynamic back system has on a team, and greg best years at rutgers he had a dynamic back in ray rice, I would be surprised if we do not take richardson
by keysersoze19 on Feb 15, 2012 8:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If u think Smith & Arenas make bigger
Impact than Claiborne u don’t know much about the CB position!
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 15, 2012 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've seen them all play
Those other guys impacted their teams more.
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2012 9:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Alabama wouldn't even throw to Claiborne's side in the championship game
You are seriously underrating Claiborne. Big time.
True
But that TD Treant had in the Championship game?Guess who side it was onand thats my concern with Claiborne He doesn’t really get off the Block good against the run…I think Richardson Gives us alot more to offer and he fits not only Schiano’s Offensive approach but Sullivans direction of offense to…There investing in Freeman and what better to compliment that then with a back like Richardson??
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 16, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not getting into ANOTHER Richardson debate
Richardson is a great player. Claiborne is a great player. IMO Claiborne is the smarter pick by a mile, but I’m sick of debating it.
Hey... who should we take at Pick 5?
HA…
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't you read below?
I’m waiting on the combine 40 times to figure out which punter we should take at #5.
Bobby Boucher
LB from South Central Louisiana State University. Very Raw. Can tackle and get to the QB very well. Kinda shaky in coverage though.
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Co-sign bout time someone sees that Claiborne is not worthy of a num 5 pick. Our defense lacks tackling and veteren leadership on that side of the field.Plus we have invested our last couple of draft picks on that side. Adress the need at db through fa.
Ya a guy who shuts down half the field isn't worthy of #5
(shakes head)
I can see people liking Richardson more, but it is ridiculous to say he isn’t worth a top 5 pick.
Yea i disagree with that.
Claiborne is a top 5 guy, and the best CB prospect in the draft. But just like some who hate on Richardson, you have some that hate on Claiborne too.
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I've told you all along I wasn't as down on Richardson as some others
Despite greatly preferring Claiborne, I would be perfectly happy if we ended up with Richardson.
Yea I know.
I am objective wit Claiborne and know why we would draft him. Some people just have too much tunnel vision.
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Wow
How can you justify using 1 TD RUN to evaluate one of the best shut-down corners in collegiate football last year
by GoBuxGo on Feb 16, 2012 10:35 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
The "Honey Badger"...
was victimized on several occasions and that kid is a bunch of pure hype as a DB. Tall strong receivers will have a field day with him covering them.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, you must be a Honey Badger fan
Tape doesn’t lie my friend, Claiborne allowed 2 catches in the title game. Honey Badger got Sandusky’d the whole night
by GoBuxGo on Feb 16, 2012 10:41 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
For any FSU fan, Badger=Greg Reid
Claiborne=Xavier Rhodes. The first gets all the publicity and is more exciting, the second is a lockdown corner that doesn’t talk trash, just does his job very well.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:02 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I love Claiborne
Don’t get me wrong he could possibly be the next Woodson.But I Just think Richardson if there should be Drafted.a 2 back system with Blount and Richardson that sounds really good.And I feel we can address Cb in FA (Grimes,Porter,Carr,Route,Ross, Rogers,Finnegan)
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
If we were drafting Claiborne to be our nickel corner, I could see your point.
And if we didn’t have a starting caliber running back already, I could also see your point. But Claiborne can start right away and play every down of defense, and Richardson will be a rotational guy. Exciting as Richardson is, we don’t need a rotational guy with the 5th pick in the draft.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:04 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You're concerned that the cornerback can't come off blocks?!?!
Our corners AND safeties can’t cover! I’m concerned about that. I hate when people have to scrounge up arguments to try and down Claiborne. I bet we should be concerned that our kicker doesn’t have the speed to stretch the defense, too?!?!
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 10:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
lol
I bet we should be concerned that our kicker doesn’t have the speed to stretch the defense
Koenen was a terrible pick up. I can’t wait for the combine 40 times so we can see which punter we should take #5.
We have much bigger needs.
Did you see Economos?! I can’t wait for the combine to see which long snapper has the best vertical leap! That’s our guy at #5!
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:00 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
And end up with a punter that only runs a 4.4 40?
Are you stupid?!?! We need to win the super bowl not dunk a basketball! We’ve got to get a speedier punter or we’ll be last forever and demoted to the arena league!!!!!!
Crap, you may be on to something.
When does LSU’s punter come out. He can fly!
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:08 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
??
If a Corner can’t shed blocks how can he be effectice against the run???
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 16, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I understand that.
But right now our defense is BAD. I would like if our corners could defend the run, but right now our corners can’t cover the receivers across from them. That is more important that defending the run, at the moment. That is like being concerned about linebackers that can’t cover, instead of tackling well. Priorities.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:07 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Exactly, thank you.
Once our corners cover, and linebackers tackle, then we can worry about the vice versa.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:12 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
And what WR did they have to Throw to??
After Maze got injured they really Didn’t have anything.Trent pretty much carried the Tide on Offense…
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 16, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Richardson is someone the BUCS should’nt pass on…This guy is a upgrade in every Dimension over Blount .And if you have a decent front 7 you don’t always need the best CB’s I think if we can get Tracy Porter and maybe Grimes or Carr then we would be ok and maybe offer Phillip Buchanon or Mcfadden Verteran Minimum and there’s our nickel corner cut Talib and let RondeRetire…
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Name the last time a team won a championship
With a shut down corner, even though I think this guy is a above average nfl corner. But a shut down corner is not needed to win consistently in this league. A effective run game is. As fans nobody is going to say hey lets go and watch this corner play football, this guy ain’t going to win you games, he ain’t going to put fans in the seats richardson will. The past two years we have spent our first four picks on defense, its time to put done legit weapons around free. We see how detroit had benefitted from putting weapons around their franchise qb
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2012 11:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Oh yeah, when was the last time a team won a championship with a top 5 running back?
If you’re going to use that argument against cornerbacks, apply it to running backs too.
Let's see, top 5 running backs.
AP, Foster, McCoy, Rice, Forte. Not exact but more or less. Combined super bowls=0
Combined super bowl appearances=0
Hmm…
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Saint Reggie Bush lol (Just A Joke)
But Like I said I’d take either 1 both would be instance Starter’s at both there positions.And honestly all this won’t matter until Free Agency starts.But if we do take Claiborne in the 1st I would like to see us go after a real change of pace back Like LMJ or Rainey
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 16, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Most definitely.
A totally agree with the change of pace back. James, Pead, Rainey, Wilson, etc. Much better value for what we need.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Agreed
I read a article that said Rainey and Demps challenged each other to a race behind a building last year And Rainey actually won 1 of the 2 races that’s kinda scary lol…
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 16, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa...didn't know that.
Rainey is explosive. And has hands, played receiver part time at Florida. The Percy Harvin position.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
And Rainey will be there in the 5th
That would allow us to get a LB, S, OL, DT, or CB in the third round. That would be ideal.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm really fine taking Richardson, although he is definitely not my first choice
Honestly I’m fine with Claiborne, Blackmon, Richardson, and Kalil. Each is the best prospect at their position in the draft.
Yeah, I would be happy with Richardson.
But I think if Claiborne is still there we would be nuts not to take him. But if Claiborne is gone, then definitely T-Rich.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Blackmon is my choice right now if Mo is gone
I’m starting to come around to Richardson over Blackmon though (if Claiborne is gone), but only because Blackmon is the same type of receiver we have (although much better).
Im really not sold on Blackmon really
Looks pretty average to me. Just the best out of an average WR class.
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I will give Blackmon some credit.
The guy runs violent. He isn’t a dainty, diva receiver. He has strong, sure hands and is good at catching the ball at it’s highest point. Corners do not like trying to tackle him, and safeties can’t catch him. That is what makes him so good. He runs through those that can catch him, and runs by those that can tackle him.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yea he does.
I just think because of the lack of WR’s this draft he gets evaluated higher than what he really is. Richardson though…. he looks like the total package.
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I like Kendall Wright a LOT
He might slip to us in the second. Probably not, but you never know. He’d be exactly what we need in a receiver. No way I’m taking him #5 obviously.
Wright is great. After the combine he probably goes top half of the first round. But that could also push Alshon Jeffrey to the second round....
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 12:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Wright's height is a first round issue
Guys his size are usually second rounders, but I think he’s going to be the exception and go first round. Maybe even early first round.
A effective running game wins
Championships. With richardson we will be as effective as any. If the pats could run the ball they might had beat the giants by 2 touchdowns. We need richardson or a player of his caliber, tired of the blackouts richardson can help change that, tired of the offense always going 3 and out richardson can change that. The corner will not, again nobody is going to a nfl game to watch a shut down corner
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2012 11:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree.
I love running the football. Smashmouth football. But I also like defense. At the end of the day, if we get Richardson or Claiborne I will be happy.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Richardson impacts both sides of the ball
Plus gives us offensive production. 49ers d was not that good, until they got some offensive production.
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2012 11:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
This is outdated 'wisdom' that hasn't been true for at least a decade
Running the ball helps, sure. It’s not necessary to win a championship, as team after team has proven in the past decade. The Giants had no running game to speak of, either.
But, more importantly, you don’t need a top-notch running back to have a quality running game, either.
But blount and richardson
Will give us buc fans and josh freeman one of the best running attacks this league has ever seen. Why do you think brady was off the field so long in the superbowl, do you ever look at the pats time of possession
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You can only run one of those guys at the same time, you know
And, again, running back is the least of the Bucs’ needs this offseason. They had a productive running game last season, they just didn’t run it that often (in part because of opportunity).
I hate that some people
R comparing Claiborne to Mathieu when their actually A different type of player. Mathieu is more of a Saftey than actual CB, most of his best plays were at the line of scrimmage, when Claiborne is the Shutdown CB who can eliminate a teams best WR!
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 16, 2012 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He will add a whole other element to our offense
Take pressure off free, keep our defense off the field, keep the opposing offense off the field, put fans in the seats. We going to need 2 guys who carry the load with the style of offense we want to play. We get all that in 1 player that corner can not impact our team the way richardson can
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2012 9:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Many of you all are going to be disappointed
Foster ain’t going any where. He is going to have the chance to.price his worth at mlb in camp where I’m sure he will earn the job. A lot of you did not believe me last offseason when I said we will have the same offensive line and we did, foster is a keeper. There are not any attractive guys out there at olb. I think Watson will beat out Black in camp, I think we should count our losses with Black. I think you only bring in a lb in fa to challenge who you want to start. No mater what the best player will start. Most of the money in my opinion will go to fixing the secondary. I only like one saftey on our team, thats Grimm.
Overall the side of the ball we spend the most money on in free agency will let us know our teams front office thinking going into the draft
by keysersoze19 on Feb 15, 2012 7:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Your probably right.
Sign a stud CB in FA draft Claiborne
Get Zach Brown in the second keep Foster at MLB
- 1 receiver in FA
This would be a productive off-season
The Reason People Are Saying Move Foster Over Is Because .....
1. Foster is good enough to play all three , Not because he isnt talented .
2. Another is the middle linebacker presents more upside , If you could get a vontaze burflict or curtis lofton and still keep foster at a productive & comfortable spot it’s a win win situation .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
What I'm saying is
I think you are limiting the impact foster can have on our team by moving him. I know rge type of football player he is, not just his talent but his grit, you want those guys in the middle of your defense
by keysersoze19 on Feb 15, 2012 8:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Call me crazy
I just think with our roster, I’m drafting richardson first. I am getting a vertical threat in fa, I will break the bank to sign jamicheal finley, plus bring in a safety who I think will be efficient in my defense. With these pick ups you can focus your draft on the defense mostly the back seven. With that second fa period I bringing in players to challenge my young guys who I want to start
by keysersoze19 on Feb 15, 2012 8:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You're crazy.
"Number one song and a Grammy, now I'm smashing
Maserati crashing, swerving through the traffic
Wrap it 'round a pole, sell a mil off the tragedy
I defy gravity "
by 4QB on Feb 15, 2012 11:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Very well:
You’re crazy.
Under no circumstances should we break the bank to bring in a TE. Especially since not only will Finley likely get the franchise tag in GB, but he also had a LOT of drops in big moments last year.
I see where you are coming from.
I’m not going to call you crazy. But I wouldn’t break the bank for Finley. Seems decent if you take him away from Rodgers. Even if he’s good i still wouldnt break the bank on him. I would break the bank on defensive FA’s first. Also my personal choice at TE in FA would be Marciellus Bennett
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I was With You on Richardson
I really think we should take richardson…I hear alot of people talk about how we can find a running back later in the Draft that is true but I can guarantee they wont be a work horse like Richardson…With richardson its about more then just running the ball…In passing game he could contribute,Pass blocking he could take on any LB one on one the guy is probably stronger then our whole team lol…Yeah we have needs at CB but I think we should take T-Rich and which every CB falls in the 2nd Round wether thats Dennard ,Jenkins,Gilmore,Hosley and sign 1 in FA Carr,Porter,or Grimes imagine a back field with Blount 6’0 245 and T-Rich 5’11 225
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 16, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
i hear ya
Taking Richardson and signing a fast receiver settles most of the offensive issues this year. Finally after 30+ years Tampa will have an offense. Then they can work on the defense. I always enjoyed the defense tampa played until lately, drafting TR allows the bucs to build the D thru the draft next year and be competitive for a long time. Dont mind not getting Claiborne, there will be others available next year. And if the D/Line plays up to the level of their draft position, it will make the corners jobs much easier
My Point Exactly
We Pass on Claiborne I won’t feel no regrets we will just go after another CB in the 2nd….We pass on Rich I think we will have that Calvin Johnson what if syndrome .
by DrummaBoi561 on Feb 16, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Percisely
But we had no chance to get johnson
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2012 9:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If Megatron had dropped to our draft slot
I have no doubt Gruden would have snagged him. However, Detroit got there first. It’s not like we passed on him, he just wasn’t available.
Definitely
so then we can lose 42-28. Our defense is freaking horrible. Bad. Tragic. I am a big Richardson fan, but we need Claiborne so much more.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
See thats where this misconception is about our defense.
I wrote a fanpost comparing which was worse. Our offense or our defense. and run offense vs pass offense and run defense vs pass defense. Our cornerbacks were not the worst part of our team. It was tackling and run defense. Plenty of other teams that had a worse secondary than us that made the playoffs.
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The problem with the corners is we're losing our top 2 probably
and they weren’t that great to begin with. If we were keeping all the same corners and LBs from last year, I’d agree LB is a bigger need. But CB-Ronde-Talib is a bigger need than LB-Hayes.
Well i would say that we need to correct the problem we have had since 2009.
We cant stop the run. Right now i would try and address that prolem over anything. But i would say even if we replace our CB’s we will still be at the bottom of league against the run
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We have to address both
We just have to. We can’t have Lewis and Biggers as our top 2 corners, and we can’t continue with the linebacking situation the way it has been, and we can’t continue with poor DT depth. This is why we’ve just GOT to be active in free agency. Way too many things to fix. 2 years minimum – and even then only if we’re big players in free agency.
Im not at all for having Biggers and Lewis as our CB's.
That must be addressed. But it seems like the assumption is that once we get CB’s or a shutdown corner then our defense will be great. No. Its wont. Especially with Watson, Black and Foster at MLB. That LB corp is suspect at best
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I'd definitely say even with CB upgrades
We’d still need at least one new LB. I’m leaning towards Dan Connor. Those additions won’t make us an elite defense, or even a great one, but they’ll make us good and competitive at least.
by KRoa on Feb 16, 2012 1:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Good or competitive i would be content with
If the offense is GREAT. We can improve better on offense mostly in the draft and on defense mostly in FA. Connor is a solid guy. We are stuck with Black as a starter, unless we trade him for something like a 4th or 5th round pick. If we decide to stay with Black and kick Foster outside then we have one hole to fill a MLB. I would probably go with a 2nd round LB depending on who is there. I would love to get Brooks from the 49ers too.
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Hes got a better chance at it than at than at Mike.
I dont think hes cut out as a Mike.
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Yea i would too.
Foster was thinking too much. Too much on his plate. He just needs to just be able to let it loose like he did the beginning of the season with less responsibilities to worry about. He can at least fight off a running back or TE off the block. I still have hope for Watson as well at Will or Sam too. He showed flashes.
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I like Watson ok at Will, but just ok
I could suck it up with him there if we have to, but I think he is depth. I could live with Watson/Good FA/Foster, at least for a year if we have to. I really think we need proven experience in the middle though.
Yea that would work.
And if we can get rid of Black he could be the backup
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That is expected
When you are a rookie playing the mike, you are thrown into the wolves causr your team believes in you and what.you can become
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2012 9:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
... or they had no choice
because they were too cheap to go out and sign anybody. Rookies are very cheap by comparison.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
They did not give foster the job
He earned it
by keysersoze19 on Feb 17, 2012 9:15 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Seriously?
Tell me exactly who he beat out to get that starting position…
by Cracker Ball on Feb 17, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah...
the guy they just signed – and cut right after? That guy. Nevermind, as he clearly took on all comers for that job.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 17, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
"Suspect" is a very polite term...
I hope to see Black and Hayes replaced, and Foster kicked outside. Need a MLB amd OLB.
Stat.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yea i agree.
You cant do anything if the middle of your defense is soft.
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Well I don't think I've ever said that
IMO we need 3 corners, 2 (maybe 3) linebackers, 2 safeties, and a DT to fix the defense.
But you fix things as contracts expire (mostly)
That means this offseason we should pick up 2 corners, 1 linebacker, 1 safety, and a 3rd DT.
I would pick up 2 CBs and one linebacker in FA.
Go for S in the draft in the later rounds if we dont get on in FA (which I doubt) and DT in the later rounds too but we still have Miller and Okam for depth for sure.
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I'd be cool with Miller and Okam if we didn't have the injury issues
I think we need a third starter-quality DT. Not a star, just solid. Okam definitely isn’t that. Miller started to find his game late last year, but I’m not convinced he’s that guy either.
As far as free agency, I’d go WR,CB,LB if we’re shooting for Claiborne, and CB,CB,LB if we’re shooting for Richardson or Blackmon. I think 3 good free agents is not too much to ask considering how bad this team was lsat year.
Well then they better try and restructure a deal with Albert
Yea 3 FA’s the minimum needed.
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Haynesworth is better than Miller...
if we can coax him back here at a reduced salary. He did not really play poorly as much as he came in with no knowledge of our system and we just plugged him in. An entire training camp and I would fully expect better things. Miller – not so much.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I feel you.
I didnt mean you per se and wasnt quoting you verbatim. But thats just my opinion on the outlook of some of the people who say we should get a CB.
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I think that was the assumption of some folks.
I know i saw it posted during this whole debate of Claiborne vs Richardson. I dont remember who but it was quite a few.
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Another Name To Look Out For .........
Donnie Avery , He is a deep threat if healthy he has shown he can make plays down the field .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Feb 15, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Cha cha cha cha cha.... I aint going camping now.. Lol
Sander should be able to help you…
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by Bucfan on Feb 15, 2012 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we had to get only 2 starters in FA, the two I would want are Finnegan and Nicks.
Finnegan because he is a perfect fit,. Nicks because not only would it fortify our OL, but it would also dramatically hurt a division rival. Also, it would shift Zuttah to C which would be an upgrade over Faine.
Oderint dum metuant
I would rather see us sign Grimes instead of Finnegan just to stick it to our division rival in Atlanta.
And Nicks to hurt the Saints. Just these 2 guys would be about 17 million a year against the cap.
Why Not Both DB's
I wanna see both Grimes and Finnegan in TB colors. It’s time we stop being cheap we could sign about 40 million worth of FA’s. Only player who should be resigned Blount, Zuttah can be replaced with Carl Nicks, Talib probably going to jail, so we going to need 2 DB’s, Foster is not a MLB he needs to shift to OLB, and Lofton & D’Qwell Jackson can fill those other 2 voids (Other OLB position), Bowe or V. Jackson to be our big play WR, I say we go off Scott Chandler he has solid hands and he can block to go opposite of Winslow, If you want to replace Faine then Matt Birk, Dan Koppen, or Jeff Saturday, I am a big advocate of just saying draft Trent Richardson to compliment Blount, and give Freeman that big play weapon, Jason Campbell to back up Josh Freeman he could come in cheap, and LaRon Landry, Michael Griffin, or Tyvon Branch can fill our safety needs. The only position I can see us really digging in our draft to replace is DB though so I wouldn’t be shocked at Claiborne either, but I want T. Rich
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
I'd rather see Brandon Carr
Then either Grimes or Finnegan. While Finnegan is a great player, he’s also a head case to some degree, and his playstyle doesn’t seem to fit a mantra of discipline like Schiano will probably bring to Tampa. He’s a pretty dirty player for a CB, and penalized more than we should want. As for Grimes, I’ve said many times that current reports make him look like he’s more interested in a payday than being a good player, and I see him as another Haynesworth, someone who will quit after that big check arrives.
Carr on the other hand, is a solid 2nd-tier CB (atm) who has the potential to turn into a 1st-tier with a little bit more time. He’s also a few years younger than Finnegan, which also plays into the Bucs youth movement over the last few years.
And DLN, all the players you mentioned would be good pickups, but getting all the ones you mentioned won’t be possible. I think we would be ok at LG if we moved Trueblood inside, even if it were just an experiment. A 2nd or 3rd-tier FA to compete with Trueblood for the LG spot should be ok there. Even a 2nd-tier FA at RT would be a big upgrade over Trueblood there, although drafting a RT in a mid-round is always a possibility.
Lofton is likely to either stay with Atlanta or price himself far outside of what we’re willing to pay. Dan Conner is a much more realistic FA, as his limited body of work as a starter should keep his price lower then he is worth. D’Qwell Jackson is more suited to being a MLB or an ILB, although he could probably play a 4-3 OLB….like Lofton though, if he doesn’t go back to Cleveland he will command a pretty high price tag.
Koppen, Birk and Saturday are all likely going to be far too old for the Bucs to even consider bringing in. Moving Zuttah to C will solve that particular hole, however, as will Pete Konz possibly falling to us in the 2nd (unlikely, but somewhat possible). I also think someone like a Mike Pollack from Indy would be an interesting option as a 3rd-tier depth signing. His background is as a guard, but he was the backup center last year for Indy so he has some of Zuttah’s versatility as well.
At Safety, Michael Griffin has been very inconsistent over his career, so I wouldn’t want to see him in pewter. Landry and Branch would be great pickups, but Landry comes with a lot of injury risk and both will command hefty salaries. I’d like to see us go after Thomas DeCoud from Atlanta. Not only would we be getting a solid, consistent safety, we would also be taking him away from a division rival, which is always a plus. Also, because DeCoud isn’t quite the same caliber of player that the 3 names you mentioned are capable of being, he’s much closer to what the Bucs might be willing to pay.
I’ve made my arguements against Trent Richardson many times, so I’ll leave it at “no.”
Carr most likely will get the Franchise Tag
Atlanta has Grimes, Lofton, Decoud and Abraham hitting FA this year. There is a good chance Grimes misses the tag.
Carr will only get the franchise tag
If they don’t give it to Dwayne Bowe, and I think it’s far more likely Bowe gets the tag.
Well if Bowe gets the tag then I wouldn't mind seeing us make a run at Carr
I would be interested to read those reports that say Grimes might loaf after a payday. That is a bold statement which is hard to prove. He is a top notch CB there is no denying that.
Brandon Carr is our guy...
Trust me on this one. He’s a shutdown caliber Corner; neither Grimes or Finnegan are as good as they’ll ever be right now. Carr good rite now and he’s only 25 and IMO has a Higher ceiling than Both Grimes and Finnegan. And besides, Finnergan will most likely follow Fisher to St. Louis as for Grimes, If wasn’t for Josh Freeman throwing a couple picks rite to him nobody here would be drooling all over him. Don’t get me wrong, Grimes is decent/scrappy but he’s no shutdown corner. I’d take Carr all day; if we’re gonna “break the bank” on somebody it should be him and a WR that can actually stretch a defense.
by ctd1977 on Feb 16, 2012 4:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I really hope Carr lives up to the hype.
He played well last season, and looks to be getting better, but some people seem so desperate to get him. Like he will make or break this FA class.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 8:53 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You make very good points. I see Grimes as that "production will drop as soon as he gets paid" guy.
But i would still go for him if we had too. I really like Carr the best out of all the CB’s. They are going to probably tag Bowe so Carr will be up for grabs. Finnergan is another good point too. Very undisciplined at times but i could live with him playing tough and getting a few penalties as long as he makes an impact overall (which i think he will). Birk at C could be interesting but i doubt it. Doont know about Koppen, but Saturday i say hell no. He’s an older version of Faine. Im cool with whoever at LB. Realistically we will on get one FA that will be a starter. What happened to Zac Diles? Do we still have him? He was ok before in Texans and then he came here and just was invisible. Safety position Im cool with Grimm but dont mind a FA safety but doubt we will land one. Also this FA signings of NFC South guys really isnt that big of a deal honestly. (Jeff Faine).
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You are talking about replacing 8 or 9 starters from free agency
That is never ever going to happen. And it would also be incredibly stupid. We would go from having the 2nd most cap space to be cap crunched in 1 year. Not all of those players are going to pan out for their new teams. There are busts in FA also. We just need to grab 2 or 3 players from FA this year to fill obvious needs and let Schiano evaluate what we already have. Anyone who thinks the Bucs are going to replace most of the team are not being realistic at all.
Correction...
“Both” Grimes and Finnegan are as good as they’ll ever be right now. Carr has way more upside.
by ctd1977 on Feb 16, 2012 4:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Grimes and Finnegan are both pretty good...
so I’m not sure any additional improvement is necessary.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
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ITS FUNNY HOW PEOPLE ACT SO PROFESSIONAL ONLINE. I CANT STAND READING HALF THE STUFF YOU PEOPLE POST. DOESN’T MAKE SENSE AND NOT REALISTIC.
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I agree...
Some people are getting a little outrageous with the FA names throwing around. Realistically, I’m hoping for atleast 2 maybe 3 (CB,WR,G) pick-ups via FA and another good draft. IMO we’re a playoff caliber team “if” we can get these kids to play hard disciplined/smart football for 60 mins; not 5, not 15, not 45, 60 f***king mins! If we can combine a few key Free Agent acquisitions with a good draft, and quality coaching we’ll be back in the playoff mix. Things happen for a reason; I’m Afro-American so I tried to support Morris but I must admit, I was never completely sold on Raheem he talked to fast (reminded me of a used car salesman) but he was only selling lemons. Never seems to have a legit plan, never surrounded himself with the rite people; I’m glad he’s gone.
by ctd1977 on Feb 16, 2012 5:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm so glad we have you here to give everyone a reality check.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Feb 16, 2012 9:09 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I love you guys but....
……no team is gone totally gut their roster after a season like we just had. Nobody was playing. If Raheem wasn’t the DC too he would have been fired long before the end of the season IMO. This ownership group is bringing in a coaching staff that will get the most out of the players that are here. They will definately have to add a few pieces, but they arent going to just start over. Look at the 49ers last year. Or the Broncos. Or how bout the Colts defense……should they just scrap all those guys who are talented players cuz they quit playing week 3…..of the preseason?? Mentality is more important than reality. The attitude change this team will undergo with Schiano will be enough to make most of these guys ball out. And RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21- if Brady Quinn’s sorry behind is ever on our team I’ll never forgive you for being the first one to mention it!! Hahaha.
by TheDarkLord on Feb 16, 2012 2:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Reality Check please.
“Realistically…quality coaching.” and “Mentality is more important that reality.” equates to what a wise old man [Felix Arnold] once told me: If you don’t mind, then it doesn’t matter and if it doesn’t matter, then you don’t mind. Anybody hear last years 10 losses in that formula? The last 10 games were…well, nevermind. Let the quality coaching begin and get our players heads on straight. How can you get to the NFL and not know how to tackle???
Yea we cant scrap the whole team.
We also cant keep banking on the draft only and expect for rookies to come and save the day. Realistically i say we will land at least 4 FA’s. At least 1 maybe 2 CB’s and a LB that will start.
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No need to scrap the entire squad
But we do NEED re-enforcements at several positions and CB is the biggest uncertainty right now personnel-wise.
by GoBuxGo on Feb 16, 2012 10:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ya'll Must of Been Sleeping Half the Season
Because from what I see almost the entire squad needs an upgrade. You people sitting down talking like it’s a Madden franchise not even close. Our secondary is horrible, our LB’s are horrible, right there alone with Hayes being a FA and we all know Mason is a Weak Side LB, that’s about 5 new players right there including the secondary needs (2 DB’s and 1 safety) Blount can’t catch nor block out the backfield where the RB is needed, we have no backup behind Josh Freeman right now and I don’t think you guys would want a rookie backing him up, OL had it’s problems, but they were kinda serviceable, but they could use an upgrade and the biggest of them all WR/TE we had no big plays last year because we can’t stretch the field. So you people can sit down and say it’s not realistic, but you know deep down this team needed a complete overhaul looking at how we played. Coaching can do, but so much and you can look at the 10-6 season we had with the same roster and you would notice one key thing we never beat an elite team that year outside Atlanta, NO game was garbage time for them since they were locked come week 17, so look at this team very carefully and analyze what we need to do because we had no veteran leadership in a locker room full of rookies to 2nd year players. So it’s time we bring in veteran FA’s to help guide our younger players as well as the coaching staff.
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
how about
pursuing Michael Bush and Desean Jackson in F/A, and drafting Claiborne and the best LB available?
Eagles have said
they are going to give DJax the tag if they can’t bang out a contract so it looks like Jacksom is’nt even gonna get the chance to test the market
by ShiftyShayne on Feb 16, 2012 10:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Eagles are dumb.
Desean was disgruntled because he hasn’t got a contract yet, so they give a the franchise tag?? That makes no sense. Just another slap in the face. I bet he holds out if he gets tagged.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 10:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If he accepts the tag...
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Didn't know a player had the right of "tag refusal"...
it is a strategy (albeit a poor long-term one) especially if the player wants to leave. You are simply postponing the inevitable.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
You're right.
I’m thinking of the tender offer. My bad, thanks for the correction. They have no choice about the tag.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 11:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Go ahead and get ready to be disappointed
If you have been a Bucs fan for more than a minute you already should know that we are going to be very unhappy when free agency is over. The only way to get players to come to TB are to over pay them and we are not going to do that. So get ready and kiss all those free agents that we dream about goodbye now.
Man its just like the Civil War up in here. Claiborne vs Richardson
I cant wait for FA and the draft.
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Yeah it gets heated from time to time.
But I think the majority would be ecstatic with Richardson or Claiborne. Either would be a huge talent upgrade and playmaker.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 12:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ya, the discussion is old and tired already
Opinions are hardened short of a big surprise at the combine.
Here's a question: should I just ban all Richardson/Claiborne or running back/cornerback discussions?
It'll Be Over In April
So no need it’s football talk it’s what we’re going to do debate between Richardson/Claiborne either way it’s still a good draft pick at the end of the day people just need to learn to live with either pick
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
We might be better deserved discussing the second and third rounds.
There are a lot more options and differing opinions.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 1:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Sounds fun
Second round guys I wouldn’t mind (in no particular order): Janoris Jenkins, Mark Barron, Zach Brown, Lamar Miller, Kendall Wright, Mike Adams, Peter Konz. Hopefully at least one of these guys falls.
That's what I'm thinking.
We have been good about plucking first round talent out of the second round. I hope we can keep it going.
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 1:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I really hope that pick, above all others, is not just a need pick
We’re in a great spot to grab a first round talent – if we can be flexible.
But It Will Always Draw Back to Round 1
And the one name I never hear these days Justin Blackmon if he’s there at 5 would we take him
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
2nd round depending on FA
I would like Gilmore?Minnfield/ or Dennard at CB. or Brown or David at LB. Or the best O-lineman available. I would gamble on Burfict in ther later rounds because i think hes going to fall very far
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Absolutely not
People should be able to talk about whatever they want. As long as it doesn’t get nasty anyway.
Ban? Naw.
I would hope that people can use their own discretion on responding to people that they may disagree with on which one we would choose. I dont even really respond to the comments anymore because i have already put my views out there and why. Plus the talks will heat up even more once FA starts and we get closer and closer to the draft.
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It seems most of that debate has run its course...
well… until the Combine starts. Then all bets are off.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yup.
Everybody has their pick for the most part and understand why for the most part. Now we just wait. I think it will just be like an unspoken rule until we get down to the wire….
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Free agency will be telling
If we get 2 top tier corners in free agency, then we’re probably going offense with that pick. If we get no corners, we’re going Claiborne. If we get 1 top tier corner, I could see it going either way.
If we get no corners in FA we will get Claiborne no doubt.
If we get just one it will still be a toss up.
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There are 4 picks before our that also play a role in this...
unless both players are just sitting there at Pick 5. I do hope that we get 1 CB signed BEFORE the Draft – at least.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
On another note
I saw on NFL.com that Moss will have alot of teams interested in him next year and he ran a 4.3 yesterday at a workout. I wouldnt be at all mad at giving him a shot. I’m sorry. Just too good to not take a chance on.
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Damn a 4.3 40?
That’s got to be a world record amongst 30-somethings. Moss would be a nice vet pick-up. Tutor Williams on handling double coverage
by GoBuxGo on Feb 16, 2012 2:19 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I swear thats what I read. I believe it. He just has to be motivated on every play. Thats his only problem, but with Sullivan maybe could get him going at this point in his career.
Could be how Joey Galloway was with us from 2005-2007.
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Moss has always been a physical anomaly
I’m sure he’s got a few years left in him and we could probably get him for a decent price, I’d just hope he’s as reformed as he sounds. Side Note: am I the only one that noticed Sullivan’s eyes light up anytime Freeman was mentioned in his PC?
by GoBuxGo on Feb 16, 2012 2:32 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yea he said Freeman was the selling point.
Man i really cant wait to see Freeman actually take some shots down field. I would love to have half of the 2010 freeman.
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I hope so. Because he is the franchise QB. We are supposed to depend on him.
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Hehe I actually like Moss, but he's really eccentric
I don’t think I’d want him here though. He might find a taker with a better team looking for one last piece.
Didn't really think about Moss too much.
That would be very interesting. He would put some buzz around the franchise, add publicity, and put some butts in seats. You know he has a chip on his shoulder, and we need a deep threat. Why not sign him to an deal based around goals and numbers and bonuses for getting those goals?
by flash_kiley on Feb 16, 2012 2:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'd be all fo Moss if the price was right!
I would even consider getting a Moss Jersey since he played college ball & one of the local colleges around here… We are….
by RuudAwakening on Feb 16, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
You've got a point there
As talented as he is, I’m sure he’s missing the game right now. Moss would be a good ploy to free-up the rest of our WR corps.
by GoBuxGo on Feb 16, 2012 3:06 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Imagine Moss In the Slot
That would be something scary to see especially if we brought him in and another top tier receiver and Mike Williams. How would you be able to cover all that talent and Moss is going to come cheap on a 1yr deal
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
I imagine Moss streaking down the sideline...
stretching out the DEF and waiting for his patented “jump ball” maneuver.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff
When u mention the jump balls, all I could think of was redzone efficiency.
by GoBuxGo on Feb 16, 2012 4:36 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Moss won't play the slot
Because he doesn’t go across the middle. His entire career, Moss has been almost solely a deep threat on the outside. I could live with him being that here, however, because that would allow us to shift Benn inside where his size, strength and breakaway speed would serve him well. And Preston Parker at a #4 would be a pretty solid position for him as well, for those few formations when we go 4-wide.
The only real question is if we could keep Moss motivated, because I think he’s mostly motivated right now by a chance to win a ring, since he’s at the end of his career and doesn’t have one yet. That’s not really something the Bucs can sell him on.
Moss Could Still Work The Slot
Doesn’t mean he has to go in the middle of the field cause he’s going to probably be the number 3 if we bring in another big name receiver with him, we could run on a deep post route out of the slot it’s different ways you can use a slot receiver you know
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Yes, there are different ways to use the slot,
But because opposing defenses know he won’t be utilizing the middle of the field it means there are a limited number of routes he can run from the slot. His only real options would be a fly, deep post and MAYBE a comeback. I’d rather have a true slot receiver playing that position, one who can utilize all 3 of those routes, as well as slants, crosses, etc.
Of course, this is all still hypothetical, as we don’t know how much of a step, if any, Moss has lost. If he hasn’t lost much then stick him on the outside and let him beat any CB dumb enough to be put on him 1v1. If Moss HAS lost a step, there’s no point bringing him in because his admittedly limited use would then be gone.
Moss will play for any team willing to give him a paycheck.
I honestly think he is coming back for the money. Or just to hear his name on ESPN again.
a healthy Cliton Portis wud be great for us, he's a great blocker
by BuCs R iNn Da BuiLdIn on Feb 16, 2012 8:01 PM EST reply actions
No thank you.
While Portis used to be a great runner, injuries have taken their toll and robbed him of what made him special. Playing in the NFC East caused him to put on some weight to better absorb the punishment he would take, and that extra size seriously cut his explosiveness….and still didn’t prevent injuries from taking their toll.
Terrance Newman may be hitting the market
The Cowgirls have a bunch of bonuses they’ve got to pay out, so he may be a vet casualty. He’s still very good
by GoBuxGo on Feb 16, 2012 8:57 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I'll pass
Newman is way pass his prime and was horrible this year!
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 16, 2012 9:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I saw on NFL.com a bunch of interesting possible cap casualties.
Rolando McClain
Aaron Curry
Micheal Huff
Kamerion Wimbley
Frank Gore
Steve Hutchinson
Tommy Kelly
and if you noticed it, there are a lot of Raiders on it. They have a ridiculous cap number. That coupled with a new regime could result in a purge of a lot of overpaid talent. I would love to have Huff, McClain, Kelly, or Wimbley. At the right price, of course.
by flash_kiley on Feb 17, 2012 12:08 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
No way 49ers
Let Gore go, they would be tremendously stupid if they did, but if for some reason they did, we definitely have to get him. Also wouldn’t mind McClain or Curry to help our weak LB core
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 17, 2012 1:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No way 49ers
Let Gore go, they would be tremendously stupid if they did, but if for some reason they did, we definitely have to get him. Also wouldn’t mind McClain or Curry to help our weak LB core.
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 17, 2012 1:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No way 49ers
Let Gore go, they would be tremendously stupid if they did, but if for some reason they did, we definitely have to get him. Also wouldn’t mind McClain or Curry to help our weak LB core.
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 17, 2012 1:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry for all the post
Hit the button a couple extra times..lol
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 17, 2012 1:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kelly and Wimbley I would pass on,
But Rolando McClain and Michael Huff would look great in pewter….I’d even be pretty happy with Aaron Curry. I think he’d be a solid OLB pickup if we can get him involved in a way that maximizes his talent.
well portis is pretty bang up neways
i wudnt be suprise if he makes a strong 2year come back thou.
And far as with newman i would use him at FS, i knw he cant tackle but with his speed i would let him free lance all ova the field like Ed Reed does.
by BuCs R iNn Da BuiLdIn on Feb 17, 2012 7:40 AM EST reply actions
Raiders have a pretty descent list
i dnt thinkwe wud have to spend alot on Huff and Curry.
Depending on da age Hutchinson wud be a really good fit for us too
by BuCs R iNn Da BuiLdIn on Feb 17, 2012 7:43 AM EST reply actions
Huff we would probably have to spend for.
He’s had a good career in Oakland, and while he doesn’t get a lot of press out there because he played for a crappy team, he’s been very likely a top 10 safety. That would be expensive, but could very easily be worth it were he to bring the same level of play here.
Curry we could likely get on the cheap. With him having already been traded last season and likely getting cut, his reputation would’ve taken a bit of a beating.
Looking at the players available
And the rookies available, I would go after aron curry hard bodied. Foster curry watson, three guys who can tackle, rush the passer, and has good range
by keysersoze19 on Feb 17, 2012 10:25 AM EST via Android app reply actions

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