The Run and Shoot comes to Tampa
by Sander on Feb 13, 2012 9:23 PM EST
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With the hiring of Mike Sullivan as offensive coordinator, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have also hired an offensive philosophy: the run and shoot. Sullivan has spent nearly his entire coaching career under Kevin Gilbride, the New York Giants offensive coordinator and an old run and shoot adept. The New York Giants don't run that wide-open run and shoot of the 1980s, as no team does - but the Giants have incorporated a lot of run and shoot concepts in their offense.
The result for New York has been an aggressive offense that throws down the field frequently, facilitated by quarterback who is extremely comfortable throwing into tight windows and letting his receivers fight for the football. That's all based on a strong running game and a balanced attack. While the Giants' offense is aggressive, it's not a wide-open spread offense, and it's not a pure run and shoot offense in that sense.
That kind of offense is exactly the opposite of what we've seen on the field the past decade in Tampa. The West Coast Offense which relied on short passes is fundamentally different from the aggressive, downfield offense found in the run and shoot.
Hit the jump for some links to more in-depth examinations of both the run and shoot and the Giants' offense.
Victor Cruz, the New York Giants, and Shades of the Run-and-Shoot Offense | Grantland.com
The Tape Never Lies: Breaking down the Giants’ play-action passing game | The Score
The Tape Never Lies: How the Giants attacked the Patriots’ defense | The Score
Run and Shoot "Go" Concept | Smart Football
Inside the Matchup: Super Bowl XLVI | Boston.com
A Simple Approach to the Run and Shoot - Part 1 | Smart Football
Run and Shoot Series Part 2 - The Seam Read and the "Go" Concept
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Can't wait. Freeman can throw down the field and isn't afraid of letting his WRs fight for the ball.
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I cant wait until we have Blount, Richardson and LMJ running the ball
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 13, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
All abroat!
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 13, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
wooooooot woooooooooot going to da ship!
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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
There is a chance
that this Lamar Miller may be the better back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7dxPzUBoi4
Yeah hes a lte first rounder
Early second, but yes his is talented. Thats why realistically people are picking James in third for us as he is the speedy back we could use and still be available after we address more pressing needs.
He did that last year, and he was picked off a lot.
It seemed like he was forcing it down field. He would dumb it off to the RB or force it into a tight window to K2. Once the defense adjusted to that, everyone would be covered, so he would just chuck it down field and pray.
Oderint dum metuant
WRs need to fight for the ball more or lose their jobs.
Manning did the same thing all year.
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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 13, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely agree with that.
Williams was good at that his rookie year, but fell off this past year. It’s nice to have Hakeem Nicks for jump balls.
Oderint dum metuant
i disagree
he didnt take many shots downfield. but when he did he completed more than was picked off. Benn and briscoe got a few of them. He should have done it more.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Our current crop of receivers probably can't win a "jump-ball" scenario...
so enter Vincent Jackson – stage right.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Wait did I imagine 2010
Mike Williams was winning jump balls left and right. I think the main issue is coaching and positioning and speed when it comes to the receivers. Once we add some speed (which I think we can find in the draft). I honestly dont want this offense to pick up anyone in free agency. Continue to build the offense through the draft but now do it in the early stages. We should be putting 90 percent of our efforts in free agency on the defensive side of the ball.
The reality is
this team can produce once all the pieces are together. Sure we have position of need but there isnt a team in the league that doesn’t. Our main problem was mental toughness and players not being in position to make plays(playcalling) and if that can get that straight I think we can be a decent 8-8 football team next year without adding any big name free agents. If the bucs want to be relevant right away they know they have to be players in free agency.
This is the same buccaneer team that beat the snot out of Atlanta, and gave New Orleans and the Packers a run for their money. That to me shows what this team is capable of when they finally get this ship moving in the right direction.
we can bounce back with the right pieces and good coaching.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
beat the snot out of atlanta?
We should have won that game by more! New Orleans, almost came back and beat us it came down to an INT in the endzone in the 4th qtr. We did give the packers a run for their money, but they laxed on us and we played hard for 1 half. Probably the best half of footbal we played all season.
I do think we atleast need to upgrade our O-line in Free-Agency...
LG & RT to be specific and find a Deep Threat. The Offense is only a few pieces away from being set. As for the Defense, we need extensive work on that side of the ball.
by ctd1977 on Feb 14, 2012 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we could get our receivers to get separation, we wouldn't have to have so many 50-50 jump ball situations.
Hopefully we can bring in some speed.
by flash_kiley on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Speed would help
since a speedy back will draw and under CB and oevr safety. That frees up one of our possession receivers, which will defintely help!
correction
I cant wait until we have Blount, Richardson and LMJ running the ball
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
relply fail to above.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Feb 13, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
So is Parker supposed to be our version of Cruz?
Parker is solid, but his ceiling isn’t that high. Maybe we should look for a small shifty WR in the draft. What do you guys think, Parker or someone else to play Cruz’s position?
Oderint dum metuant
Parker can do it he had the best catch % in the league last year he can do it with the right play designs & the outside rec. winning.
by Shabazz916 on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i personally dont really like parker.
id prefer Briscoe either at the slot or at number 2 and Benn either in the slot.
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I like Parker but...
He showed during his returns that he can put the ball on the ground. If he can cure this I think Parker is a lot better than people think.
He did that one game
Cut the guy some slack, he had many other returns with no issues. Parker really stepped up this past year and was more effective IMO than Williams and Benn combined.
Yep
As a receiver, at least. He didn’t do much as a returner, but that’s easily fixed: stop using him as one.
I think hes getting tagged
I agree, I can’t really judge him by those 2 fumbles when the whole team quit the last 5 games
he was the only consistent player on offense this year
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 14, 2012 10:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah I read that
Still nice to dream, and until they tag him its still fair to say he may. SD papers reported that V-Jax was going to get taggen, then recently Sander posted some info showing he may not get tagged as they feel he is not worth it. Things could change, who knows. Post 3/5/12 we will have a clearer picture of Available FA hitting the open market.
IMO, Parker was probably the most consistant WR we had on the roster this year...
He had 1 bad game; I believe it was the J-ville game. I like him as a slot receiver; Stroughter Sucks, and Briscoe is 2 big and slow. Outside of Parker I think Benns strength and versatility would make him a pretty good slot guy. With that said, I’m hoping Benn really pushes Mike Williams this year for the #1 or #2 WR spot. A very good option for our slot receiver position in this years draft is Danny Coale out of V-Tech; IMO he’s a bigger faster Wes Welker; he should be available in later rounds.
by ctd1977 on Feb 14, 2012 3:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you
for the most part, with exception of the new lsot receiver. I think we need a true #1 a deep threat receiver to spread the field, move Williams to #2 and put Benn in the slot let Parker and Briscoe fight out #4.
Why would you draft a RB in the top 5?
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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
LaMichael James from Oregon.
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lamichael james is not anywhere near bradshaw. and if that was the case then shouldnt james be the starter and blount be the change of pace back?
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no im talking about just body types.
i agree with the jacobs blount comparison. i was saying that with your comparison of splitting the caries, if we did get james with blount i want blount carrying the ball more than james
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Compare them at the same point and that changes
Coming out of college I did not hear much about Bradshaw. LMJ has shown more in college than Bradshaw did if you go by press clippings. Give him the same time in the league as Bradshaw and he may be better – or not. If the comparison of College careers means anything, LMJ will be better than Bradshaw.
His frame and size makes him ill-equipped for the NFL pounding he will take...
and putting on weight room muscle will likely slow him down. Other runners, built more solidly, would be a better bet I think (Isiah Pead or Bobby Rainey).
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
But there is a list of many who have proven that wrong.
Chris JOhnson, Warrick Dunn both come to mind as very small RB’s (frame Wise)
all valid points
and smaller backs are usually good to catch out of the backfield and are faaster, would make a great compliment to blount especially since they already know and have played together.
i would love to see this offense at least attempt to try and move the ball better than last year because this offense really stunk.
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You don't think they will try?
The players quit on the coaches last year for one reason. I get the feeling they liked Raheem too much personally to speak out against him. Either consciously or sub-consciously I think it is possible they tanked it to get rid of him, especially once the playoffs were out of sight. I’ve played on a soccer team that finished 1-15-2 before and the season was very similar to the Bucs last year. By the end of the year, everybody played to avoid injury and were looking forward to next year on a new team. In the NFL, you can’t just pick up your ball and change teams, so getting rid of the coaching staff is an attractive alternative.
So yeah, with a new coaching staff in place, I think most players will be working very hard.
All I want is for us to be relevant.......
Not even playoff bound right away….just a force to be reckoned with. A defense that will straight up punch people in the mouth and make them think twice every time they get the ball. (like the 49ers this past season) and for crying out loud some kind of offense that has a plan. Like at least a small idea of what they want to do against the opponents defense. I swear Greg Olsen ran the same 10 plays all freakin year in rotation……it may have worked in remember the Titans, but this is the NFL. That’s all I want. Be competitive in 2012. If we gonna lose to a team make them earn the win. And if we’re gonna beat a team make them not want to play us anymore. So basically what I’m saying to all of our players is, “go out there and knock the crap out of somebody” everybody except Blount because he might take that literally. Haha. Can I get an amen?!
by TheDarkLord on Feb 14, 2012 12:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I Want 4 Quarters of Football Per Game
Last year, we were lucky to get 4 minutes of football per game. At the end of each half, and not even in the second half of games we were out of.
I'm pumped!!!
Greg Olsen was terrible. I agree he had no concept . Most guys use the short pass in the west coast to set up the run. Olsen ran 5 yard routes for everyone . Wr were covered because the DB knew we werent going deep.
Benn is our fastest Wr and I would like to see Nike Williams moved around.
What about Sammie stroughter? I actually like him better than Parker. I think Parker had success because Sammie got hurt .
by tbbuc4 on Feb 14, 2012 1:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Nike Williams? LOL
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by 4QB on Feb 14, 2012 8:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Love it
I remember when Warren Moon used to be the QB in Houston when they played a run and shoot style offense, exciting to watch. Cant wait.
Warren Moon took a lot of hits in that offense...
and our WR are not small and quick – like his were. Ernest Givens was a very quick 5-9" and Haywood Jefferies was the only WR that had any size to him.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
but Freeman is bigger than Moon and can fair better while plays develop, the real question is can our line block long enough for him to air it out? And will we go out and get the type of WR we need to make the run and shoot effective?
It's not that wide-open
The Giants offense has a lot of run-and-shoot elements, but it’s not a 4-wide, one-back offense the way the run and shoot was.
Moon took a beating because
He only had 5 guys protecting. As one of the articles said The Bills used what they called a KShoot that utilized a tight end. It’s probably a lot more what ours will look like rather than the Oilers offense. I also think people presume that this is strictly a downfield passing game, when it’s far from that. It’s an offense that opens the downfield as an option but also gives qBs and WR a lot lore freedom in their routes. With a very zone heavy league I actually think this is incredibly effective. Eli has been a success largely because of his ability to throw the deep post and deep streak.
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by MNeilson on Feb 14, 2012 12:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
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