Draft? FA?
by buccaneers44 on Feb 13, 2012 12:18 PM EST
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Print2012 Draft holds many juniors which you have not seen totally prove themselves but were not gonna get to in to that just throwing that out there for you all anyways.
1:Claiborne
2:Burfict
3:James
those are the top 3 that I think we should draft Claiborne will take away the need for 2 FA corners Burfict from ASU will push Foster to week OLB we should also pick up Dan Connors in the FA McNabb, Bowe, Grant, and Nicks over Grubbs getting Carl Nicks will handi-cap the Saints which if any one forgot a division rivalry we should also push Zuttah to Center.
Tell me what you think.
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Does there need to be like a million fanposts on FA and the draft?
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what else can we talk about?
exactly………….Nothing.
Same thing with the articles. its just FA, draft and coaching. and coaching is rather boring after a while.
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All of this will liven up after the Combine...
because the “draft talk” will become more reasonable about who is likely to go where, etc.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Why don't you write a unique and original fanpost?
We could use some unique and original ideas over there.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
So once again i will ask to another person who wants Claiborne
You would take drafting Claiborne over…. Grimes and Finnegan? (and this isnt even the best duo we could get in FA)
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I am for Claiborne
I would want all 3 you mentioned actually. Realistically we may get 1 “big name CB”, 1 middle of the road guy and draft MoBorne.
I just think 3 CBs are just too much.
And I have a feeling that because our need is great at CB, I HOPE we address the needs with experienced good CBs. If we add 2 CBs i would be content with that as far as with our secondary. Getting Claiborne would be a luxury pick, in my opinion. If we only landed 1 CB then its a stronger case for Claiborne
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i disagree
we dont need 3 star CBs. I dont want a Eagles thing going on. With 3 pro bowl CBs it just didnt work out. I would be fine with Biggers, Mack or Lewis being the 3rd CB. I defintely wouldn’t want Claiborne to be our 3rd CB. If he comes in he has to come in immediately and start. And even if we play him there for a limited time at 3rd Cb and then he ends up being the starter later on, we would be switching one of the FA CBs and that really would just be a waste of a FA pickup. And i trust the available FA CB’s over Claiborne right now. Just my opinion.
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I'd rather have ronde over those 3 guys.
Could you imagine myron lewis covering jimmy graham ?
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i wouldnt want ronde covering graham either
honestly i think biggers would be more suited to play the slot instead of the outside.
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I'm am NOT fine with Biggers, Mack, or Lewis as the #3 cb
I realize I might have to suck it up for a year, but that is a recipe for disaster imo.
i think they would be fine for as much as you will expect from a 3rd cb.
Biggers gets a bad rap especially. I think im going to make a fan post about him. But i think he will be fine as the #3 cb
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I disagree with you on Biggers
The guy wouldn’t make my practice squad much less get field time against professionals. They was an easy target and he plays like a girl, runs with that limp wristed style. He just doesnt have IT.
lol leave that man alone!!
he was just too small to be sticking receivers with no safety help… in 2010 he had a great year and morris had too much confidence in him
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I just dont buy into him
If we HAD to use him in 3rd position ok. But would MUCH rather us go out and get 3 new CB’s via FA/Draft
dcbucs
Top-end D-backs seem to cost a huge premium in Free Agency
I definitely want the Bucs to get one. But putting out that much coin for two when we have so many holes to fill…
It depends on what’s available at what price.
There will be many other teams looking for top CBs this year...
the more the NFL trend of “throw first” continues, the more the premium rises for good CBs and other DBs. I personally prefer the HOU, BAL, SF way of building a team.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Thats the problem
its going to raise the proce of CB’s significantly, fortunately we are in a good position to make offers based on availabel cap space.
Having tons of cap room...
and actually using it are 2 different things. We are kinda like the Wal-Mart shoppers of the F/A market. It didn’t cost very much – and it doesn’t work very well.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
I agree, but I think this year is different. I think it is a necessity to spend, otherwise we cant compete in a tough division/league.
Let's hope Dom/The Glazers have seen the error of their ways...
and make the commitment to do something about it. Trading money for self-respect and civic pride is a sad state of affairs. The Glazers already have more money than they could ever spend.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
this is a business
everyone team owner in the league wants the best product for the lowest price to make the most profit, thats just business. But I think the glazers realize as well they need to spend some money to make money.
I understand the business aspect...
what I don’t understand is letting something you own, and supposedly love, turn to dust before your very eyes. This behavior says a lot more about the Glazers than their wallet size does.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
at this point cost really doesnt matter when we have the money to spend.
i would take two good available FA CBs over just drafting Claiborne. You fill two holes immediately, and have more options to fill other holes in the draft.
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i just dont see us getting claiborne if we address CBs in FA. Especially if we get two.
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We simply NEED 3
Ronde is getting old, Talib is off to be someones GF, Biggers is lucky he has a job. Who else on our roster would you start? Exactly. We NEED 3. either in FA or draft or a combo, but expect we Fa 2 and draft MoBorne. Unless something ridiculous happens like someone wants to trade up with us and offer us a boat load of pics in which I still think we pursue next best CB
what are the chances that we sign two good cornerbacks anyway
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 14, 2012 10:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Pretty decent
We would like get 1 “big name” and a middle of the road guy then draft 1. That is the likely scenario, of course who we get as DC will play a role also but I would go with 3 this off season, unless something drastic happens like lets say, The charges are dropped against Talib.
Remember every free agent is gonna have options
And some players just won’t come here
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 15, 2012 12:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Like those as first 3
As draft picks, Really what happens in FA ould further clarify our needs. Plus 3/5/12 is the last day teams can franchise tag their players so that will give us a clearer picture for who is going to hit the market as an FA. then the bidding war begins 3/14/12. Go Bucs!!
And all this talk about Burfict
I think he will take a Mike Williams slide into the 3rd or maybe even 4th round.
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If he drops to 4th
Then I say he is a steal, but not likely to drop that low and I wouldn’t waste a high pick on him.
I just don't see that
Too much pure talent to pass up. In a strong locker room like Baltimore he will make it work. Plus he has all the physical tools to replace Ray Lewis when that time comes
Exoecting Dennis Erickson to teach discipline is assuming a lot.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Feb 17, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt we get any starters out of FA
Might as well focus on the draft.
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We need to
We simply cant compete with the same train of thought as before, I think Schiano is good at evaluating talent and getting people to play for him. But he cant lead what we have now because we simply lack defensive talent and NEED to get starters in FA or draft. Expect both to happen.
I didn't say we didn't need FAs.
We can’t win without them. Just don’t expect this ownership group to actually sign any.
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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the thing
Last year I would have agreed with you, this year ownership can’t risk not investing into a better product without losing the wind completely in their sails so to speak. Expect them to spend more freely than they have, especially with a new ccoach and philiosophy in place. They will fill the holes since the “build form the draft experiment” failed miserably. They cant support a PRO NFL team without FA spending, you cant compete in this league without FA.
but do the glazers care about winning or their bottom line?
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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 13, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
they are one in the same
in this league, you cant survive without winning. You cant make profits when people are turning their backs on the team. Even the faithful have their breaking points.
Um they don't need to put butts into the seats to make a huge profit.
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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 13, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
they run in the red
in operating an empty stadium plus regional losses. All of that hurts the bottom line period. A good business man makes money EVERY way he can not “Oh well dont worry about filling seats” if thats the case then they would fire their season tix and ticket sales force and save even more. Makes poor business sense not to sell tickets. Also in business you have to invest your money to make more back FACT. They will spend this year, they need to revitalize this fan base or risk losing it.
putting butts in seats would boost the local economy
which in turn would show they really care about the community, thats really about all they would gain
by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 13, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
thats just ridiculous.
we need to focus on both not just draft, but both. if you want to just hope that we will get success from the draft then you will be waiting for quite a while
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Exactly
We will spend some more this year, probably more than in the last 2 years combined (which isnt much lol) but more none the less.
I see where is coming from
I will believe it when I see it. Plus we will be competing with other teams in free agency. I just dont see many of them picking the buccaneers over other teams unless they know they will get the bank thrown at them.
Thats why players will need to be "Bought"
To come here and once we get a couple of big names, things will change. plus when they meet the new coaches and staff and see the changes in culture they may want to be part of a dark horse team soon to be powerhouse.
Combine
His abilities will shine in the combine. One thing that will hold him back will be the interviews. I’ve heard his football IQ is not the brightest, but it won’t need to be if he is playing for a great defensive system. I can’t see him dropping that far. Plus he has Ravens/Steeler written all over him with the way that he plays. Someone is taking a chance on him early.
Just watch the tape of him on the field
It looks bad. He doesn’t know how to play the game. All he knows is how to hit hard.
Thats the thing
most people judge on the finish but not the decisions that player made to get there or in some cases failed to make. He often looks lost and doesnt seem to grasp the game. Maybe he’s just not in the right system, not being coached properly. My guess is hes not taking to the coaching and doesnt have good football iq
Lamar Miller
stock will rise rapidly through the combine. his name will be mentioned right after trent richardson.
Yes he is
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what if the Bucs draft Richardson and LMJ
by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 13, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
That would be stupid
"Number one song and a Grammy, now I'm smashing
Maserati crashing, swerving through the traffic
Wrap it 'round a pole, sell a mil off the tragedy
I defy gravity "
Really?
it looks like the Giants earth wind and fire backfield to me
by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 13, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I like the idea to draft both their is so much talent on defense in free agency and also we dont even really need any d-lineman were strong their and its weak in the fa at that position move bennet to dt with mccoy and bowers and clayborne outside
by buccaneers44 on Feb 14, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Not likely to happen
I dont see us breaking the bank on a slew (sp) of defensive FA’s, we should be getting maybe 3-5 total but a mix between defense and offense. Then supplement through the draft. Their is no need to for 3 starting quality backs its just not smart personel decision making, we dont have the luxury to do that. Far too many other needs.
i agree.
no need to draft 2 running backs in the first round and in the 3rd.
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Honestly
I think James would work better with a zone run scheme type of team, or a team where the QB is a real threat like a Tom Brady, Rodgers type. He’s like a Danny Woodhead type guy. He could be dangerous if the defense doesnt key in on him. But if they concentrate on him they will make him ineffective.
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Too many backs
If your going to do the free agency for defense draft for offense strategy. That first pick would have to be an OL. Then we would have to sprinkle some receivers and tight ends in the mix.
I wonder if David Wilson will slip into the 3rd round. I would love to see us get him there.
I would say he has almost as raw talent as Richardson and I hardly hear anyone talk about him.
Hell yes he is... has an NFL-ready RB body and can take the hits sure to come his way.
and LMJ needs to put on some weight room size – which will slow him down. Speed is his greatest asset right now and is not otherwise equipped to lose any.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
also note the type of scheme he was in at oregon.
He ran alot of stretch plays. Idont know how he will fit in because we arent really a zone blocking team
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We should be talking about who we pick at five if claiborne is gone
I’m fine with trading and if it’s not there then take richardson
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 14, 2012 11:01 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Why not
if you can get more picks and fill more holes I am all for it. i would rather see us do that then take a chance on one guy especially a running back that might not even stay healthy. More picks is almost always better in these situations.
If claiborne isn't there at 5 why not trade ?
You still have a shot at getting richardson. If not then oh well
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 15, 2012 12:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Trent Richardson will be one of the greatest at this position we need to pick him up and do with him like Ronde keep him for ever
What running back has had a productive 15 year career?
And when you find one, let me know what percentage of them last that long. Then let me know what the average career is of a running back.
Walter Payton and Emmitt Smith...
they were both smaller and slower, but solidly-built RBs (kinda like Trent Richardson)
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Not comparing... but physically they are similar
Don’t stretch this out to be controversial – they are phtsically similar. That’s it.
Trent Richardson is probably stronger that either of them ever were.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 14, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
No, the list is greater than that - just making a point.
MJD has been around past that “5 year” wall, as has Michael Turner, Frank Gore and Ricky Williams. DUKES tries to make it sound absolute, and so much so that no such investment should even be considered. Rediculous.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Thats also rare
compared to how many RB’s are done in less than 10 years. Compare that to CB’s where many go into 10+ year careers.
Not really trying to compare the CB to RB argument...
but what I am trying to say is that IF Morris Claiborne is gone (he is my personal 1st choice) and the RG3 trade option is gone (I think it will happen – but before Pick 5) then RB Trent Richardson is likely the best remaining player that can impact our team.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
But it isn't that much greater
For every one that has a great career past the 5 year mark, there are many who don’t. I’ve never said Richardson shouldn’t be considered, but I just can’t take him over Claiborne unless we completely reinvent this defense in free agency. And even then, I’m not positive I’d take him over Blackmon and the top OTs. I’m starting to sour on Blackmon a little, less because of the claims of him being overrated and more because I think we need a different sort of receiver (like Kendall Wright if he’s there in the 2nd?).
Steven Jackson is a very big guy - and a beast at his position
he is pretty worn down in the same manner RB James Wilder was worn down here in the 80s. That “5 years and done” figure is impacted by many variables, which is why I wanted DUKES to put his stats where his mouth is. RB is a very competitive position, and how many players drafted as a RB last 1 or 2 seasons before being replaced by someone better? That skews that RBs last 5 years stat quite a bit. I hate when people take some facts, add in a whole lot of their opinion, and make an absolute statement about it.
Nonsensical.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Also the fact that Stephen Jackson was the only offense they had for that whole period of time.
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Agree about Claiborne
Disagree about Burfict- unless we pick him off of the remainders rack, he’s not worth the investment. LMJ is one of several R-backs who could be a great fit for us- my philosophy towards running back in this draft is to take the BPA in the third, possibly the second if Lamar Miller falls that far and there isn’t a great fit/value for us amongst the O-line and linebacker prospects.
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
Lamar Miller is likely to be gone at #36
but if he was there he could be a great fit here. I still think it is too early to grab a RB there. I would rather have Claiborne/Miller than Richardson/Gilmore though.
What will be interesting to see
is who we pick if Lavonte David, Miller, and Konz are all available. Win/win/win in my estimation.
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
by RookTakesYou on Feb 14, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I would not take Lavonte David with #36
I know he’s mocked to us all the time, but I just don’t see it at that spot. Too early. If Konz drops to us I turn in the draft card in 3 seconds flat.
The bigger question is what to do if Zach Brown, Peter Konz, and Mike Adams all fall to #36. That would be a tough choice.
Is it too early for Dwayne Allen
If we can pick up a linebacker and cb in FA and get claiborne in the 1st? I understand we have more pressing needs RB, Gaurd, Safety, etc.. but an athletic TE is pretty much a staple in todays game and K2 isn’t anymore
by Linus_van_Pelt on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Randy Moss article
decent read. Not advocating for him just reaffirming a previous post.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20120214_does_randy_moss_still_have_deep_ball_speed
Draft & FA
1st Mo Claiborne, CB 2nd Justin Blackmon, WR 3rd Trade Back
2nd Zebrie Sanders, OT 2nd Lamar Miller, RB 3rd Zach Brown, OLB
3rd LaMichael James, RB 2nd Sean Spence, OLB 3rd Antonio Allen, SS
5th Josh Robinson, CB 2nd Jeff Fuller, WR
Free Agency
Sign a starting caliber LB
1st Dan Connor MLB (Move Mason Foster to weak or strong side)
we will get 1 corner and 1 safety in fa and 1 linebacker no doubt and wr strong possibility probly no hb tho
by buccaneers44 on Feb 15, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Because he's likely the best available cornerback
And a very, very good one at that.
Also, please use the subject line.
Exactly
He will make our defense beter, we cant afford to let our secondary have starters like biggers or mack competing in a division with precision passers and expect that we can even slow them down. So what if we can run the ball with richardson when teams can just go over top and set records against us AGAIN!!!!!! The reasonable people are understading that MoBorne is not our savior he is the piece to a bigger puzzle but he is a KEY factor and could help us more than any RB in the draft could.
I agree i would too
But this is the Glazers. so a history has shown we will most likely not spend much money in FA. The majority of the cap money will be spent on re-signing players like Freeman to a long-term deal if he shows promise still. I don’t think their are any FA CB’s that are worth signing though.
Yeah
I think we re-sign him this year though, to a long-term deal. I would love to see us sign a FA WR but I don’t think the Glazers will sign a Big time FA CB. I really hope we draft Mo Claiborne and re-sign Ronde
I hope
Every year I think that. I’ll believe it when i see it. lol but theres no way we can be as inactive as we were last year.
I for some odd unproven reason trust Glazernik this year in off-season
also I think we’ll get it done with Schiano and win expecting 7-9 at least in 2012 and 10-6 at worst from 2013 on
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