Bucs should look at Stanford Routt
by jarldg on Feb 10, 2012 8:01 AM EST
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PrintThe Oakland Raiders made Stanford Routt an undeservedly rich man last year with an enormous contract equating to just over ten million dollars per year. Routt has been a solid starter who can make splash plays, but he never deserved Nnaamdi or Asante money. This move could work into the Bucs favor.
Tampa (with any luck) will draft Morris Claiborne with the fifth pick this year and will be fortunate if either of Talib or Barber play next season. Nothing can conceal the fact that the Buccaneers lack depth and talent at the cornerback position with Aqib Talib gone. Ronde Barber has not been more than a slot corner for a few seasons, but if he retires they'll be left with E.J. Biggers, Myron Lewis, or Elbert Mack starting. Fielding a secondary of that caliber will result in the worst pass defense in the league- especially considering the quarterbacks within the division.
Standford Routt is proven. Bringing him in would immediately upgrade the secondary along with putting a great deal of speed on the field. He doesn't just run the 40 with a sub 4.3 but plays with that speed. Routt is a big corner at 6'1'' and just shy of 200 lbs. His size allows him to jam some of the bigger receivers and his speed keeps him along side of them on the deep routes.
I have no illusions about his ability. He lead the league in penalties with 17 last year after Nnaamdi left. Without the superstar he needed to shoulder more of the secondaries responsibilities. Standford will probably never make a probowl and can't cover elite receivers. What he can do is step in as a good #2 corner next to Claiborne and provide tutelage for the younger DB's (namely Lewis who has underachieved as a 3rd round pick). As far as the penalties go, Routt has never approached that number previously. If Dominik gives him a look it won't be an expensive venture. The corner will be 29 at the start of the 2012 season and would put E.J. Biggers on the bench where he belongs.
Also, he was cut by the Raiders. Having that over your head in negotiations is known as a "disadvantage."
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He's alright and I wouldn't complain if we got him
but I’d rather see us target one of the better CBs. Even if we take Claiborne, he’s going to be a rookie. I sure would like one of the top corners available in free agency instead, or in addition. Now if we grab this guy, someone like Finnegan or Grimes, and draft Claiborne we’d have a great set of corners. And we NEED a great set of corners with Brees, Ryan, and Newton in the division.
Routt?
No thanks.
gives up TD’s like they’re going outta style
and the penalties haha oh the penalties.
Pass!
And he'd be the best CB on our team
If Talib is not brought back.
I think he would be great here
A scorned corner we could get for cheaper than some of the other premier corners in FA and hes a good corner as well. I like the idea, hopefully glazernik is paying attention. Great read jarldg!
Rout or not
I think we should be in the market for a corner. Why? Its a need that I don’t want the team to address with a top 5 overall pick. I think there is only 1 free agent that can make a bigger impact then richardson and thats peyton manning
by keysersoze19 on Feb 10, 2012 9:10 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Do we have to turn everything into a Richardson debate?
And Peyton? LOL. From what I hear he can’t even throw any more. I think the exact words were “noodle armed”.
And if you want Richardson in the first one corner in FA isn’t going to cut it. We had better score at least 2 top tier corners.
I think he mentioned Richardson because Claiborne was mentioned as far as the draft.
We dont need to dive into the Claiborne vs Richardson thing again. But who did you hear this info from about Manning? Jim Irsay? I highly doubt he’s “noodle armed” and ill believe it when i see it then from some second hand rumors. He will be the top FA on the market.
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Bob Kravitz reported it on Kornheiser's show
He got the info from the receivers manning was throwing to. He can’t throw to the left at all and has no arm strength.
I have heard just the opposite
Based on NFL32, ESPN Sports Center and NFL Live. Saying that manning is getting strength back in his arm and is “making NFL quality throws” according to one of the receivers he was working with at Duke University.
yea i heard the same too.
maybe last year he didnt have the strength but i think once the offseason starts he will be good to go
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Plus
Manning at 70% (which was stated) is still better than most starting QB’s, and his accuracy has not suffered. So while arm strength is weaker, his knowledge of the game and anticipation will make up for it.
not if they had the chance to get Peyton.
if not then yea sanchez is the guy.
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Theyre sticking with Sanchez I think. but Peyton could be really good there for 1 year
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He would be good
But dont think that Rex and Peyton would see eye to eye. And I think Miami ownership will spend whatever it takes to be relevant and Peyton would give them immeadiate relevance and redemption with their fan base.
Maybe
Miami needs to give their team a big boost and peyton would do that, Flynn is good but only has 2 games under his belt. Manning has a trophy room full of accolades.
Philbin is in MIA...who has coached Flynn since he was a rookie
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i think Peyton would make Ryan shut up with those super bowl predictions
He would feel so confident about the offense it would pretty much force him to not ruin the flow of the team by talking.
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agreed
we need atleast 3 top corners from either FA or draft. I would prefer 2 top tier CB’s from FA and draft Claiborne. out of FA Carr and Routt/Finnegan. That would immeadiately make our secondary ready to compete in a tough division with some good QB/WR/TE corps. Now if we could also get a pair of LB’s a SS and a G and also draft James at RB we are ready to roll. GO BUCS!!!!!
Thats too much invested
At one position. What about linebacker, hey there are going to be a lot of wideouts who can help us out. To tell you the truth I think linebacker is a bigger need then corner. It is not a guarantee that barber and
by keysersoze19 on Feb 10, 2012 9:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Talib will not be here next year.
by keysersoze19 on Feb 10, 2012 9:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Barber
May swallow his pride and finish out another year here in Tampa, MAY being the operative word. He may also go with Raheem. His choice since he is an FA. Talib likely needs to invest in soap on a rope. Too much stacked against him. even if he pleas out he will likely get a couple years to include a few years of monitoring a la ankle bracelet/PO.
I think Talib gets probation.
he will have one last chance at Tampa. One last strike and he’s gone.
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If thats the case
Which is not likely since texas is a “no joke” state, he would still be at the mercy of NFL league suspension, likely atleast a year if not more. Its a pretty serious charge.
I think he would get a 4 game suspension maybe more i dont know about a year suspension though.
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That was Tanards second strike, however.
I’m hoping for a 4 game suspension, but as you say it was a felony.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
3rd strike for Tanard, I believe.
1st strike I believe is a 1 game suspension and gets you put in their drug program. 2nd strike is a 4-game suspension, then you get a year after that.
I will be surprised
If Talib comes back. If he is suspended again he will be cut/traded. Too many chances, too many episodes of him losing his temper. Not the type of guy who is going to “chop wood” for Schiano.
If and thats a big IF
He walks away with just suspension, I think Schiano would give him the “this is your last chance” talk and since he is talented could play. But he has proven time and again that “thug life” is more important to him so I doubt he would adopt a “hug life” mentality. Clearly he is talented but off the field he makes terrible decisions.
but this was t-jacks second offense with weed.
And i think Goodell said he wouldn’t suspended Talib because it happened during the lockout and any other future infractions would mean its a wrap. So i actually think he got a pass.
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I haven't heard that
But would be nice, We need help in the secondary and keeping Talib would singificantly help especially if he is opposite Claiborne.
my bad that was Britt.
But they said pending outcome the NFL could revisit the matter
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Nothing has been proven at this case against Talib yet
if anything he’ll be suspended for acouple of games but as far as everything else goes they had no witness to what actually happen that day so it is his word against Talib in im pretty sure Talib has some good Lawyers to win these case.
by TbBUcSfAn4LiFe on Feb 10, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
from I understand
They had several withnesses and thats why it doesn’t look good for him. He may be facing 20 years.
that always chances when it comes down to it think about it.
by TbBUcSfAn4LiFe on Feb 10, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
if O.J can kill his wife than Talib can get off for trying to
kill the man who hit his sister. THE GLOVES DON’T FIT!!!!
by TbBUcSfAn4LiFe on Feb 10, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I agree in terms of LB also
We need almost a complete defensive overhaul. Including LB we need 2 LB’s as well as 1 SS to go with the 3 CB’s we need. Thats why FA is crucial this year and if glazernik wants to be competitive we NEED to spend in FA this year. WIth a focus on defense and 1 veteran WR with deep threat capability.
Our secondary needs to be overhauled for sure
With a healthy DL our LB corps will look better under Schiano, then you look at our secondary and try not to laugh. We got abused over the top, underneath, down the sideline, and across the middle. Our secondary needs should trump all. No need for two stud RBs when we’re gettin blown out 31-10 because we can’t stop the pass. With/Without Talib and Barber we’d still need at least 2 corners this offseason. Secondary trumps any other position right now
by GoBuxGo on Feb 10, 2012 10:28 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
A healthy dline
Will make the secondary better. If football was chess the linebacker would be a knight to me you cannot have a good defense with ineffective linebackers
by keysersoze19 on Feb 10, 2012 10:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
With a Healthy DL
I’d trust Foster, Black, and maybe even Hayes playing behind them especially with the new staff, I can’t say the same of what we’d be left with if Talib & Barber are gone. I’d love to go after a few LBs in draft/FA but I just think our secondary needs immediate attention and we’d want to draft a good one with hopes we can develop a franchise player.
by GoBuxGo on Feb 10, 2012 11:36 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Foster yes
Hayes and Black should be used in a special teams capacity. They far underperformed. Particularly Black. I think we need to get a pair of LB’s 1 from FA a season vet to run the middle and 1 draft to develop.
Ideally, the Bucs can get a starting caliber strongside linebacker
Next year maybe we’ll draft a good MLB and move Foster over to his natural position, or just go Will.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
They'd plug him right back into DE
His 3-4 linebacking skills would be wasted if they made him stand up.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
Dude is 6'6'' 290 lbs.
Doesn’t sound like a linebacker to me in any system other than Wade Phillips.
Oderint dum metuant
Yep
Its that Phillips style 3-4 where one of the linebackers is basically a 4-3 DE. Mario Williams would not work as a LB here, just as a DE. DE is one of our few positions of strength right now. We aren’t going to make a move for him. It makes no sense.
You got that backwards.
Williams was a DE first and Wade moved him to OLB when he switched the Texans to a 3-4 scheme. Completely different responsibilities.
I dont trust Foster at MLB.
I like him to replace Black. I like Hayes but he might not be taken back
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Foster can thrive at the Mike, Will, or Sam
He responded well enough as s rookie to get the first look at the starting MLB spot but we don’t know how Schiano & Co will utilize him. Quincy Black has to make an attempt at playing up to that contract, so he should really be looking to improve.
by GoBuxGo on Feb 10, 2012 1:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
starting him at MLB was a mistake and one of the reasons why this defense was one of the worst
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Foster had a solid rookie season
What more can you want out of your 3rd Rd. Draft pick, who had no real offseason or pro experience.
by GoBuxGo on Feb 10, 2012 2:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
he was ok and it was a bad situation
i think it was too early for him to start in my opinion. Hes no scrub but i think he is cut out for OLB
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If Barber is back, he's a very good slot corner
And E. J. Biggers would be a fair slot corner if not.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
Dont think he is capable of even that
He is weak in every aspect and would rather have Mack than Biggers.
You do realize that they had Biggers covering number 1 recievers at times.
He would be a decent nickle CB at worst.
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To say he can't cover #3 receivers is too harsh
He would be a mediocre slot corner, he’s got speed and would not have too many deep responsibilities to get burned.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
He wasnt that bad in tackling.
no worse than our LB’s or anyone else in the secondary
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To be fair
Our entire defense lacked fundamentals especially in tackling. But if you watch tape Biggers ia usually watching the action and I laugh when I see him since he literally runs like a girl, limp wristed style and everything.
Lol give Biggers a break.
He would be ok as a nickle back or if we played Tampa 2 he could play the outside
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I dont think any of our corners
Should be starters, we need 3 new corners either through FA or draft/both.
Biggers would be a good Slot Corner
may not be the best but still pretty fast to stick with the slot receiver who doesn’t really have alot of routes they run which would make it easy on him to cover them.
by TbBUcSfAn4LiFe on Feb 10, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Worst case scenario
I would accept that but prefer to get 3 starting caliber CB’s 2 FA’s and claiborne
true but one thing i learned from last year
you can’t try in fix a team over night you fill as you go, look at the Eagles. it would be nice to to change alot of thing but sometimes it only takes a little jump to make a big splash.
by TbBUcSfAn4LiFe on Feb 10, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
True
You cant buy championships as proven by eagles and redsox, but then again you cant go cheap like we did last year. We got cheap results. We need to spend and spending big this FA would help fill seats and restablish a disconnection between ownership and fans.
that i can understand and agree with
but one thing i can tell you about living in Tampa all my life his that people only will go when we are wining no matter who we bring. my opinion to many band wagoners in FL. hate to say it but it true
by TbBUcSfAn4LiFe on Feb 10, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
but hopefully with a new coach and big
spending that would put the Fans back in the stands, i know i miss those days. hopefully one day we can be know as one of the loudest stadiums around.
by TbBUcSfAn4LiFe on Feb 10, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Think about this.
The Lions secondary was terrible last year. They were ranked 22 against the pass. One below the Bucs. That one team for example. Not one great CB out the bunch. I would even accept that production from the Bucs. But the big problem is stopping the run. You can stop people from passing all day but if you are last in the run nothing you can do.
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Yea i think 2 CBs in FA and Claiborne is too much on one position in my opinion.
I think Claiborne would be the choice if we didnt get any FA’s at CB. If we do then we need to address that first pick on something other than CB. That would be a real luxury pick. I would go CB in the second depending on who is available. But if we get Carr, and Finnergan/Webb/or Grimes i would like Richardson first round and maybe David or Brown at Lb in the second if Dennard/ Gilmore or Minnfield arent available
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Routt and Claiborne should be the biggest investments in CB
No more than that. I agree that, after the secondary is given attention, linebacker is of critical importance. The second round pick (if Morris is picked in the first) would be well served to get the best LB or even G available.
Right Tackle needs to be picked no lower than the 4th. Trueblood shouldn’t be starting.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
But why does it have to be Claiborne or else?
You mean to tell me you would take Claiborne and Routt over Brandon Carr and Ladarius Webb/Grimes, Finnergan? Lets not forget Carlos Rogers as well. I like Claiborne but he’s not the only option for us at CB, nor is he the best option for us at CB. He’s the best CB in the draft yes but that doesnt mean he’s a better fit than Brandon Carr in my opinion.
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I'd very much like to have Carr, I'm going with likelihood of getting players.
Tampa hasn’t given me confidence that they’re willing to throw around too much money in free agency. The draft is a given, odds are Tampa won’t trade down and pick the best player at #5, so I believe that will be Claiborne. It’s more likely they pick CB high and get a bargain/second tier CB in free agency (Routt, being a corner that would make sense).
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
ok. i can agree with that.
Bucs havent shown willingness in FA so i cant even knock you for doubting it this year.
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Ladarius Webb is a RFA...
which makes getting him too expensive. The beauty of signing a F/A is that you don’t have to give up an draft picks to get him – just money.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 11, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
routt?
ill pass. way more FA at CB that are better. And im not with the idea of bringing someone in to compliment Claiborne. It should be the other way around.
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Routt would be a good pick-up
Solid CB with size and speed would be a good upgrade. If we draft Claiborne and sign another solid CB we’d be taking our secondary in a better direction. Hopefully the Raiders won’t bring back Tyvonn Branch either….
by GoBuxGo on Feb 10, 2012 9:22 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I'm open to it
Routt is only 26, him and Carr are the youngest CBs in FA. Not to mention he’s fast as hell (Set a combine record). He did have a bad year, getting victimzed for TDs by teams #1 WRs. Routt was never good enough to be a #1 CB, but OAK didn’t have a choice. I’d welcome him here (Assuming Talib stays & we draft Claiborne to play Nickel)
by InfamousHp on Feb 10, 2012 9:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Routt will be 29 by the opening game
I have confidence that he would be a sustainable #2 for years to come.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
i disagree.
maybe in the right scheme… (Philip Buchanon) but i doubt it.
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When Routt played along side of Nnaamdi he was very good, as was the rest of the secondary.
If Claiborne turns out to be half as good as Nnaamdi, he’ll have the same effect on the DB’s with Routt in tow.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
If Morris plays to his potential, he'll be able to hide a lot of flaws in the secondary
Obviously, “if.”
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
Oh Man
That’s all we need is Morris playing in the secondary, and to think it couldn’t get any worse…
Haha
That thought made me cry out laughing/scared of that thought.
by IceyPirate on Feb 10, 2012 12:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That would be the Morris I'm talking about.
I can only type ‘Claiborne’ so many times in a day.
Christ, Raheem on the field would be terrifying.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
Im excited about the possibility
Of drafting richardson. Since I’ve been a buc fan we have not had.a player as talented as richardson on our offense. The thoughts of him plus everything we have gets my juices flowing
by keysersoze19 on Feb 10, 2012 9:37 AM EST via Android app reply actions
SO MANY CB'S
In free agency this year, there are so many corners it is ridiculous. We need to go out and get at least one, if not two. I personally believe Aqib will not go to jail, however not sure if Schiano will allow him on this team. I am pretty sure we will find out soon or later if Aqib will be here or not. Either way, we need to get someone, does not have to be an elite corner but there are too many solid, affordable corners out there for us not to go after. EJ Biggers does not deserve to start, and should be a nickle at best, the very best.
yes i so agree with this. i just cant waith till FA so this gets resolved and we can actually have a clear direction on what we will do in the draft
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Let's hope we get some coaches first.
Butch Davis looks like he’s joining, but without the DC moniker.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
If Routt was any good anymore, the Raiders would have kept him
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Not at all. They gave a solid player an elite contract.
New head coach came in and cut him to bring in his guys and avoid the cap hit.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
There may have been some behind the scenes stuff
We simply arent privy to, also The new coach and new scheme may not be what he fits in. Plus Their GM is in the business of cleaning house, hell the man fired Hue Jackson after 1 year when the guy was plagued with injuries from his team all season and still almost made the playoffs.
To say that the Raiders would have kept him if he were still talented endorses their personnel decisions.
They haven’t made a lot of favorable ones in the past decade.
Gene Deckerhoff is a saint.
Did you SEE his cap number?
He was getting paid like he was the second coming of Asomugha, when he’s nowhere even close to that.
Routt was a good CB for the Raiders, but Al Davis severely overpaid for him. Now if he’d had a lower salary number (think half of what he was making lol), I’m betting Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen would’ve kept him out there in Oakland rather than cutting him.
Draft Claiborne
And sign a guy like Carr and Laron Landry. I believe Claiborne will be better than any CB that were talking about acquiring and we shouldn’t pass him up!
by TerenceJ11 on Feb 10, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Free Agency
Anyone else just hoping we get someone like benjarvus green-ellis at running back, a solid receiver like robert meachem, any of the current starting free agent cornerbacks and someone like stephen tulloch @ MLB whilst moving foster to OLB. Drafting claiborne in the 1st and giving the saftey reigns over to t jack and grimm. This sounds reasonable to me. Not really any incredible superstars but would patch up a lot of holes.
I would be for a Law Firm signing.
He comes from the Pats so you know he knows how to pass protect lol. Add to that the fact that in 4 years or so, he’s never fumbled the ball a single time and I’d call him a pretty solid pickup. Definitely a 2nd-tier FA RB, but still no slouch and could significantly help our team.
To End the Draft Debate
If Tampa Bay spends money we have a much deeper DB class than RB class and for all the Trent Richardson fans that alone should win it for you. All those who believe we won’t spend a dime then Claiborne is our guy. Either way FA determines who we draft.
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Yes thats true
But we need a strong presence in both FA and a great draft to fill the holes we have and realistically it will take 2 years to build the team up to where we are playoff capable contenders.
We should go after Phi Samuels. He isn’t wanted anymore in Philly
by BucPride on Feb 11, 2012 8:44 AM EST via Android app reply actions
If they don't want too much for him... maybe
Good CB but gambles a lot ( like Talib).
by Cracker Ball on Feb 11, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
i have to agree (gasp) with sander on this one.
as a rebuilding franchise, you want younger sustainable choices to compliment your building blocks. routt is a decent option as a number #2, assante, approaching 32 next season, he would be a great short term (IWE contending team best option) , but as a long term choice..i’d rather not.
by frostphoenix on Feb 11, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
i disagree
While I wouldn’t take Samuel over the other available cbs in fa. If we were stuck with him in fa I wouldn’t be mad about it. Samuel does gamble a lot but he knows what he’s doing and he still has it. Samuel would be a short term choice but that’s fine. You can’t always fill a hole with a young guy all the time. We need some veterans on this team too. We had barber who was 37 or something like that and he was one of the best players on defense. I’m just saying just because someones over 30 doesn’t exclude them from still producing.
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by dcbucsfan on Feb 11, 2012 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Being over 30 doesn't prevent a player from producing, no....
But it does limit their value to a franchise we all know is in rebuilding mode. While we have a good bit of talent at many positions, only the most optimistic person thinks we’ll be competing for the playoffs this year. I’m not even 100% the Bucs would be able to compete for the playoffs next year either, depending on how much needs to be overhauled.
Grabbing a 31-32 year old CB doesn’t do much to help that situation, because by the time we’re a competitive team again he’ll be either retired or have lost a step and need to be replaced in the starting lineup anyways.
Much better options out there
this year than Samuels, plus the draft is CB heavy, I would rather get a rookie than a 31 year old version of Talib.
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