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Spending and the CBA: salary floor does not go into effect until 2013

I've been seeing some discussion on a possible spending floor more and more often in recent weeks, so I thought it would be useful to put up a story about it. To clear things up: there will be a team-specific spending floor, but it won't go into effect until 2013, and even then it will be limited in its effectiveness. I'll go over the specifics quickly.

There is a leaguewide spending floor of 99% of the salary cap this year, and 95% in the coming years. This floor doesn't affect the Tampa Bay Buccaneers directly, as it only governs leaguewide cash spending. Because of the way contracts are structured in the NFL, with large signing bonuses paid out in the first year of contracts, reaching this cash spending floor for the league shouldn't be a problem. The Bucs will not be forced to spend money because of this rule.

There will be a team specific spending floor of 89% of the salary cap from 2013 onward, but it will be accounted for in two four-year periods: 2013-2016 and 2017-2020. Reaching 89% of the salary floor in cash spending won't force the Bucs to drastically increase their spending, mostly because it's a fairly weak floor. Not only is 89% of the salary cap not a huge threshold, but the fact that is accounted for as an average over a four-year span makes it less effective than if it had been a per-year minimum. The Bucs can still spend well below the cap in individual years, as long as they make up for it in later seasons.

So: the Bucs will not be forced to spend money until 2013, and even then the real spending can be delayed until later seasons.

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So the investor group wont be going after anyone this year

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by Warde on Feb 1, 2012 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty sad that the fans are hoping we are forced to spend money. Hopefully this new regime can lure some quality free agents.

by Stashlova on Feb 1, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

I hate this new CBA... it is pretty weenie so far

and the Glazers can STILL cheap out if they choose to. Dang.

by Cracker Ball on Feb 1, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that was more a consequence of ineffective coaching than anything else.

You can instill toughness and a killer instinct without as many padded practices. You can teach proper tackling techniques without as many padded practices.

Our coaching staff just DIDN’T.

by KRoa on Feb 2, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No way do we sign top tier free agents

maybe a few cast offs

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Any action would be a step forward for Glazernik

Top tier or cast off wouldn’t matter really, we can only wait and hope that the FA’s acquired make sense here

by GoBuxGo on Feb 1, 2012 12:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Just to note

Rutgers DC is interviewing with us today per Holder. Says he thinks it is for the LB coaching job.

by Bucsfan123 on Feb 1, 2012 1:51 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

That sounds more like it...

Really hope for a more solid DC like like Butch Davis.

by Cracker Ball on Feb 1, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect DC to be someone with former experience.

But as for the position coaches, I expect most to come from Rutgers

by Bucsfan123 on Feb 1, 2012 3:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Good article

I was questioning the CBA guidelines yesterday in one of your posts..good info

by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Feb 1, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

If we ignore free agency another year, I hope the Glazers are happy with more people cancelling their season tickets.

Can you imagine anyone being a first time season ticket holder in 2012 if we don’t bring in any marque names? Because I wouldn’t even bother scalping them off of Dale Mabry for $10.

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by Bucs on Feb 1, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

If they didn't sell a ticket they would turn a profit.

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Then you understand that they don't give a crap about selling tickets or not. The team is profitable, Man-u is insanely profitable. They can just collect cash.

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you have evidence that they don't care about ticket sales?

Any quotes? Maybe a link or two? I pretty sure that the mailers that I receive asking for me to buy tickets aren’t just for LOLZ.

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by Bucs on Feb 1, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

My evidence is their product on the field and their lack of spending.

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because they turn a profit doesn't mean that ticket sales aren't of concern

That’s a ridiculous statement to make. They keep 65% of the gate and have one of the best stadium deals in the NFL. Why wouldn’t they want to sellout every game?

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by LeeCaz on Feb 1, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Then why haven't they attempted to put out a decent product for the past 3 years?

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Paying Gruden 5M

and barely being able to make their bubble payments on ManU would be my guess. Doesn’t mean they don’t care about selling tickets.

Also, they had a low payroll for a few years before Raheem’s tenure and still sold out the stadium, so that doesn’t make any sense. If you think that they don’t care anything at all about selling tickets and maximizing profit then I don’t know what to tell you.

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by LeeCaz on Feb 1, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

They were not paying Gruden 5M a year

ESPN was paying him somewhere around 3M – 3.5M so the Bucs were only paying 1.5 to 2.5 M a year to make up the difference. Otherwise I agree with everything else you said.

by Brar on Feb 2, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

AMEN!

Salary Cap= Talent Cap

Glazers’ Values:

$$$$ > Winning

$$$$ > The American Sunday

They need to spend on some proven talent, everyone knows their prior messages are all a crock of sh!t.

by T-BayRay on Feb 1, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The whole Florida area is not much of a fan base

The Miami Heat can even sell out and they are the best team in NBA

by mlowebucs on Feb 1, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I always figured it was because of the same reason...

Los Angeles has done well without a team – there are lots of other things to do. Not so in places like GB, BUF, CLE, PIT, DET or MIN (unless you are into ice fishing).

by Cracker Ball on Feb 1, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Bucs normally don't have issues selling out.

But right now they’re too expensive, the product sucks, and so does the economy in Tampa. I still keep my season tickets because I’m a die hard, but I’m not sure how long I’m gonna keep them if my tickets keep going up in price like they did again this year.

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by bucnut1 on Feb 1, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The real problem is the players union not having any real teeth.

They should have forced the owners to spend more starting this year.

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Top Tier FA's coming to Tampa!

It has to happen this year. We need a PROVEN TALENT for Coach Schiano.

by T-BayRay on Feb 1, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

IDK

How we going to lure big names here w/o throwing them more money then they’re worth I mean 4-12 isn’t attractive to any FA. Hopefully Schiano can pull the rabbit out of the hat and bring someone in because we can’t do it with just the draft 7 potential picks aren’t going to fix the gaping holes on both sides of the ball. If we can’t lure any big names they’re a bunch of good complimentary pieces in FA, so we could still make out okay, but a Vincent Jackson type would be nice.

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by DeLaNegro on Feb 1, 2012 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

franchise tagged most likely, got another suggestion I can shoot down?

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

No Chance In Hell

We have a better chance at Forte then Rice for sure they will Franchise him. Forte I don’t think they want to give him the tag I think they want to give him a long term deal if it’s possible

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by DeLaNegro on Feb 1, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

RFA

we aren’t giving up a first rounder for forte

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

drafting a RB in the top 5 is a waste.

Especially when we need 2 CBs either through FA or draft. Or both.

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's a waste

When u need a back, but us drafting a RB is stupid when our 2ndary is horrible and Claiborne might be there. Draft LmJ, Wilson, or Polk in the 2nd or 3rd. Claiborne should be our top priority!!

by TerenceJ11 on Feb 1, 2012 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ya'll Forget

FA comes first, so how about if we solve our secondary needs via FA and draft Richardson then it’s a win/win for us

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by DeLaNegro on Feb 1, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

who's available in FA @ CB. We need two.

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

My 2 Picks

Would be Finnegan and Grimes or Hall

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by DeLaNegro on Feb 1, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

carlos rogers

draft claiborne and LmJ

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone says LMJ is a one dimensional back this that and the other just like Blount one dimensional I rather the best RB in the draft which is Richardson and just go with 2 FA DB’s there are a ton out there who can shut down

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by DeLaNegro on Feb 1, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

DBs cost a ton of money

RBs do not.

Signing two FA CBs will be out of the question.

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

what makes you think the glazers will spend it?

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that's the kicker

I hear the words, we’ll see what happens in FA. I think they’ll make one splash move and some lower tier competition, but I am not that confident about it. I’ve been saying for awhile that this offseason will be the test.

by aakks on Feb 1, 2012 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Right on the money, aakks.

Richardson is the next Ray Rice/ MJD. We could be of use to his services.

He not only plays hard, works hard, but is also a 2 time national champion.

Bottom line, we have to add this guy to our team. He is a winner, and he gives the Buc’s Offense a much needed shot of adrenaline.

Pick up some FA CB’s.

by T-BayRay on Feb 1, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It will be hard enough to get one good FA CB

2 is really not easy, at least not good ones.

by aakks on Feb 1, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Claiborne is the next Revis

To risky to take a RB top 5, they just take to much punishment, We need 2 CB, 2 saftey’s, 3 line backers, 2 O-line, 2 LB. why would we draft a RB when we have one and you can get them undrafted. Good ones

by mlowebucs on Feb 1, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft Claiborne

Sign Leon Hall and LaRon Landry and draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd!

by TerenceJ11 on Feb 1, 2012 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How About This

Let’s just wait and see FA is not far away let’s stop talking about the draft and worry about our current roster well the lack of a roster, having no coordinators, and the fact the Glazers are cheapskates

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by DeLaNegro on Feb 1, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree^^^

With the Glazers we probaly won’t land any of the guys were discussing.

by TerenceJ11 on Feb 1, 2012 4:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sad Part

We’re 60 million below the cap and act like we have no money to spend

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by DeLaNegro on Feb 1, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, the Owners need to show us something.

Anything, are they interested in winning?

Sure doesn’t seem like it?

by T-BayRay on Feb 1, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Same can be said

With the RB position while also signing 1 CB to play along Claiborne.

by TerenceJ11 on Feb 1, 2012 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Here the Thing

The only person is worth getting is Ray Rice that is not a RFA maybe Peyton Hillis, but who knows with him at this point if he’s healthy he’ll be a beast again

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by DeLaNegro on Feb 1, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

hillis? lol

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell You Got Anyone Else

Cause from where I see it Forte or Foster would cost us the number 5 pick, Ray Rice gonna catch a Franchise tag, Marshawn Lynch good talent, but I think he stays in Seattle, Hillis only one to probably change teams

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by DeLaNegro on Feb 1, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft something in the 2nd or 3rd round.

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobby Rainey in the 5th round

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by LeeCaz on Feb 1, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

^ This is a GOOD idea ^

He will likely be there and fills our needs.

by Cracker Ball on Feb 1, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be really surprised if one of the Harbaugh's don't take him

Especially the Ravens. He would be the perfect back up for Ray Rice.

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by LeeCaz on Feb 2, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I say Harbaugh's because they have a lot of of connections with Rainey's school WKU

so I imagine they’ve had their sights set on him for awhile

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by LeeCaz on Feb 2, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Forte and Rice are both staying put

0 chance either leave their respective teams. Besides the fact that it’s a no brainer, both the Bears and Ravens have both come out and admitted that both players will be retained.

by J_B on Feb 1, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

get who?

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by putupyourDUKES on Feb 1, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

lolz

That’s the ticket!

Smoke 'em Blount!

by chuckyforpres on Feb 1, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

get ready

cause if manning does hit the market you know people are going to be screaming for him

by bucfanlostiniowa on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't be one of them.

I have serious concerns about Manning’s ability to keep playing. And even if he were to be able to play, I have even more concern’s about his ability to play at a high level.

I’d rather not pay him the massive contract he’d require and then pray he’s able to survive and thrive the next few years. At most he’d net us one trophy.

If we build correctly, we have the chance to do much more than that, to build a culture of winning consistently.

by KRoa on Feb 2, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I would much rather have forte here.

Hands down….

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by Bucfan on Feb 1, 2012 8:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I Wouldn't Do That Either

I mean if we are supposedly more interested in Trent Richardson then anyone else at this moment then no need to do that, but it’s no guarantee he will be franchised either

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by DeLaNegro on Feb 1, 2012 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

You look at drafts from last 10 years

and teams are drafting 2 to 3 times as many CB than RB.
This is cause if you have a good O-line it doesnt matter who the RB is u can be successful at running the ball. You think AP is as great if he didn’t have the best O-line in the league for 3 years. Lets just be smart and draft in mid to late rounds for RB and not be like the raiders and lions in their bad years and draft skill position when there are so many other needs.

by mlowebucs on Feb 1, 2012 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

Let's be smart and pick the next AP.

We were so “smart” we passed on him once.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, heck no we’re better than that.

by T-BayRay on Feb 1, 2012 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Get Vincent Jackson, or Desean

Need to give Free a star WR…

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by TannShazamm on Feb 1, 2012 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

We need someone that can command a double team, then beat it.

Williams commanded it this year after his great rookie season, and failed at beating it. Desean can go by double teams, Vincent can go over, and Bowe can go through them. We need one if them.

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