Marty Schottenheimer Will Interview With the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Tuesday
by Sander on Jan 9, 2012 11:11 AM EST
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PrintVeteran head coach Marty Schottenheimer will interview with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Tuesday, according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen. Schottenheimer may be the most experienced coach still available, as he has exactly 200 career wins. Schottenheimer has been the head coach of four different NFL teams and has been a head coach for a whopping 21 years. In that time, the veteran head coach won a ridiculous 61.3% of his regular season games, garnering 8 division wins and 13 playoff berths.
The playoffs are were Schottenheimer has consistently failed to deliver, though, with just 5 wins to 13 losses. THose failures in the playoffs meant the end of his tenure in San Diego in 2006, when he was fired after a 14-2 2006 season and a divisional game loss to the New England Patriots. His efforts to lay the questions about his playoff performance to rest in the UFL seem to have been for naught, as no one seems to put much stock in last year's UFL Championship win. Schottenheimer is also frequently criticized for his conservative offensive approach. "Marty Ball" is also mockingly called "run, run, pass, punt".
Schottenheimer's extensive experience does mean that he has built one heck of a coaching tree through the years and would certainly be able to assemble a first-class coaching staff. In addition, he has never failed to deliver success during the regular season - and even a single playoff berth would be an improvement right now.
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Regardless of the hire, I just respect the fact the Glazers are looking at every possible candidate, knowing they do not want to make another sudden coaching change any time soon….hopefully they land us the guy that fits OUR team
by Marlon The Okayplayer on Jan 9, 2012 11:18 AM EST reply actions
They are too cheap to go get a top notch Coach
That is why they are looking at the “retreads”.
Glazers are bogus owners. If they don’t spend this year (as it is not required to hit the salary floor until 2013), then it will show their stupidity and inability to make something happen.
I have no respect for those lame duck owners. They do the bare minumum, and that’s it.
They are the real problem.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 9, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
The problem with Marty is that the team is guaranteed to get into the Playoffs
or at least go 8-8. Its just too risky not being able to win the superbowl. I don’t think TB fans can take anymore playoff losses.
I'd take a playoff loss over last season
by Sander on Jan 9, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, you're completely wrong.
Retreads will actually cost more than a new coach.
Where the heck is Keyser?
If they just cared about being cheap, they wouldn't have fired Jon Gruden
They wouldn’t have fired the entire coaching staff this year either.
If they care about winning, they would've added some DEPTH in FA last offseason
If they don’t spend a lil something this offseason, then they are Cheap and don’t care about winning.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 9, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Rick Stroud basically made the same point on Sileo's show today
"Let’s not ignore the elephant in the room. What kind of salaries are [the hot candidates leaguewide] going to ask for?" Stroud asked, implying that the older veteran coaches will take less money to get another shot at head coaching.
He also said that Fisher wasn’t interested in the Bucs because of the ownership’s feeling towards spending money.
Can you blame him?
Football is about winning, Winners get paid.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 9, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Its being tossed around either through rumor or innuendo
that the Bucs ownership is not interested in playing top salary for a coach. That is why Fisher never gave it a thought.
Mostly through innuendo
Haven’t heard any credible reports. Only thing that anyone who would know has said was that they weren’t overwhelmed by Fisher. I wouldn’t be either.
Glazers have shown they are willing to pay for a coach.
Jon Gruden was one of the highest paid coaches in the league when he was here. FACT
Highest paid to *NOT* Coach
Glazers suck, FACT.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 9, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Not the question.
The question is if they will be willing to pay for a coach…..they showed they would. Thats all I’m saying. Plus all these complaints about the ownership…….They aren’t THAT bad. I live in DC…..That’s bad ownership
I live near DC too
Atleast they spend money on people.
Skins had a good draft last year.
Huh?
Glazers are too darn cheap. All that payroll and nothing to show for it.
Are you a Man U. Fan? They spend money on those fools? What gives?
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 9, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
They need to removed from all sports ownerships
They just don’t care about winning. They just want money, and that is what the bottom line problem is.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 9, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
The redskins spent money on
Dana Stubblefield, Jeremiah Trotter. Adam Archuleta. . Deion Sanders. albert haynesworth. Spending money poorly is the last thing this team needs to do. They need to get back to fundamentals. Get a few free agents AT THE RIGHT PRICE. We will be ok in 2012. Marty will completely change the culture of this team.
Then who?
if they are retreads… then wouldn’t all coaches who were fired be “retreads”? Who should we try to get as our next head coach? don’t say cowher cause that’s never gonna happen!
by fourthntwenty on Jan 9, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
So far, out of all that has interviewed (that we know of)
This guy is the best of the group. My biggest concern about Schottenheimer is his age (68). Can he be effective at this age? How long can he really coach? Not sure he’s the best solution for a long term commitment.
Where the heck is Keyser?
Hopefully, that could be addressed with coordinator hirings
He has the contacts to build a superb staff. If one of his coordinators becomes his heir apparent, then we’re covered under that scenario by having the capability to smoothly transition from one coaching regime to the next.
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
by RookTakesYou on Jan 9, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
True, but I think it's gonna take a while for us to be competitive
I just hope he’s a healthy guy, cause it would suck to have the first HC to fall over dead during a game on the sideline.
Where the heck is Keyser?
Gaines Adams didn't pan out for us, but he was nothing but professional while on our team.
It’s classless to make light of his death.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Jan 9, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Olson perfected Marty Ball based on your definition.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I would love Marty
10 years ago. The guy’s 68…so a ‘sudden change’ could happen at any time.
I think he's the most promising prospect among thos we've interviewed
Ideally, if we landed Schottenheimer, paired him with a good young OC to groom as his eventual replacement, and a solid experienced DC, we could have the foundation for some long term stability.
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With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
by RookTakesYou on Jan 9, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, just dont want to be in a situation like Dallas is in though,
a top profile OC that is not cut out to be a HC
Wait a minute!
Who exactly would Marty bring to Tampa? Sure, he could bring some of his coaching buddies, and maybe his kid. But would anybody really be excited to see the same lack of tempo on offense as we saw this past year.
But isn't it the goal of every team to hire a coach like Belichick, Tomlin or Reid
Long term guys who have a plan for the future? Ownership probably just wants Marty to get the Bucs mediocre enough not to draft in the top 10.
Schottey
would go a long way to getting the Bucs relevant again. He has a long, proven history of building quality teams and succeeding in the regular season. His post season record is obviously poor, and the knock on his is that he can’t get his teams to win the big game, but we are no where near competing for that big game, so let’s get there first before we get concerned with winning it.
The fact is that the coaching candidates this off season are pretty poor / very unexciting. Marty would be a solid hire.
Yes it is
But would it not be a lot easier to find such a coach in 2 or 3 years when you have a playoff team .. a GOOD defense a more mature QB then you bring in a coach like Guden for example.. and then go foward. .
He has always built good teams
And all were built the same way the Bucs are building. Marty has never coached for an organization that uses free agency.. He will be in heaven here.. At least the Bucs will spend to get over the top … examples Rice, Johnson , Mcardell the Glaziers will spend..But they will not spend untill this team is a constant playoff contender..Plus it is easier to get Free Agents when they look at game tape and say to themselves this is a well coached team with talent.. I can be the one who puts them over the top.
Everyone rips Brian
but how much of it is really his fault? Sanchez is horrible, and Greene is hardly anything to write home about. What is an offensive coordinator supposed to do with a poor QB, a mediocre at best RB in Greene, and an over the hill LT ?
That team had 4 guys on the Def with HOF talent
the Jets have 1 (Revis). Brad Johnson was much, much better that season than Sanchez has ever been. He only had 6 int that season. That’s huge for a great defense.
So let him prove his merit elsewhere
Why bring him on with mediocre results? The best thing you can say is maybe it isn’t his fault?
I'm not in favor of bring in Brian
just saying that it’s hard to criticize a OC when his team has offense has no talent at the key positions.
That's a fair point, but he's been an OC since 2006
And the only time that offense was worth anything was in 2008 with Favre, and that collapsed too.
Of course, being a good/bad coordinator doesn’t necessarily translate to head coaching skills.
And over that span he's had
Pennington, Favre, and Sanchez as QBs. That’s about as bad of a hand as you could be dealt.
Pennington was pretty good, if limited in arm strength
Favre was just fine for the first half of the season, until injuries supposedly killed him. Sanchez does suck, but I’m sure Schottenheimer was involved in picking him.
It's impossible to know who decided to draft Sanchez
but I know Tannenbaum had a significant say in it considering they had to trade up to draft him. I think you guys are under the impression I think Brian is a good OC, but that’s not true. I’m just saying it’s very hard to judge an OC when he has limited offensive players. If anything, you could make a counter argument and say that prior to this season, he had really been able to extract the most from a pretty poor QB in Sanchez.
No ALF residents please!
How about a reputed college coach? Peterson from Boise State or Schiano from Rutgers. There’s gotta be a good candidate that isn’t collecting social security…
Winning a ton of games in the Mountain West
doesn’t really mean much in my opinion. Schiano has a .500 record at Rutgers. College coaches would also have a substantial amount of learning to be be done while on the job. Considering our team is extremely young and also needs to learn on the job, I’d prefer a coach who knows what he’s doing at this point, after the disaster that was Raheem and his inexperience.
How would those guys have to learn on the job?
They’re already head coaches! The last guy was an assistant assistant coach before landing the gig. Big difference…
And there's a big difference
between coaching college football and in the NFL. There’s been a lot of coaches who have been very successful in college,and very unsuccessful in the NFL.
Can't argue that
But after the debacle of last season, I just want a coach that can bring some excitement. Who on the current list of candidates can do that?
Honestly, None
which is why I’ve kinda settled for Schottey. There are simply no coaches I could legitimately get excited about. None. The pool of coaching candidates is extremely weak. Say what you will about Marty, but he is pretty solid, and when compared to the other candidates, I’ll take solid.
There are more NFL HC's that have college experience than you would imagine.
But with Peterson, although I like him, BSU is giving him a huge raise, so I doubt he would even listen to what any other team NFL or college would have to say to him.
Where the heck is Keyser?
It turns out McDaniels is a genius after all.
Let’s go get him.
It just occured to me that Thomas was a receiver in a triple option at Georgia Tech, and McDaniels drafted him along with Tebow. He was planning to put together this type offense all along!?
I would take guys with less talent that leave it all on the field
Over Hayneswurf every day.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 9, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot how to spell his name correctly
Or did I try hard to spell it, but in the end my effory was just like his: sloppy, lacking, and BS.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 9, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I like Schotty but....
Don’t know if he’s still effective at an NFL level (Like when Joe Gibbs returned) plus it’s almost guaranteed he’s gonna make his son the OC & I don’t really know how I feel about him after his underachieving days with the Jets.
by InfamousHp on Jan 9, 2012 12:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Joe Gibbs before Dan Snyder is a lot different then Joe Gibbs with Dan Snyder.
I’m actually surprised Shanahan went there just for that reason alone.
Where the heck is Keyser?
Schottenheimer is a great coach.
the problem is…I think we need someone much younger. Stability is a good thing in the NFL.
Only 3 losing seasons in 20+ years of NFL head coaching
1 of which being his 1st year. Remind me again why everyone seems so opposed to this guy?
whats boring is your team going 4-12. that is boring
If I could wear a bucs shirt with a noles hat for the rest of my life, by golly I would be the happiest man in the world.
As opposed to, say, losing with so much excitement
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 9, 2012 12:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Marty is not a loser
If I could wear a bucs shirt with a noles hat for the rest of my life, by golly I would be the happiest man in the world.
Sarcasm is not delivered through the Internets
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 9, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hah
Well, I don’t think a conservative offensive philosophy is a great way of doing business in today’s NFL. See: Falcons, Atlanta.
But would he have to bring that here?
Why not Marty and a great OC? I’m more interested in him turning around the franchise. Some great coordinators with him would be a great set of staff.
He'll be the head coach
Which means he’ll set the philosophy of how the team is built etc. He’ll bring in coordinators, but they’re not going to bring with them an offense that isn’t what Schottenheimer wants.
I don't see why not
I mean obviously Schott would have to be ok with the offense, but I see no reason why he’d have to bring Marty Ball with him if he thinks it is a bad fit here.
He's always run Marty Ball
It’s part of his core philosophy. Unless that core philosophy has suddenly changed, you’ll see it here.
I dont think Marty is as conservative as some make him out to be
I know he is devense fisrt .but his last 3 years at San Diego he did finish in the top 5 in scoring O. Then if u look at some of the Offense players or for that matter players he hasever drafted he spots talent..Sproles . Micheal Turner , Vincent Jackson. If im not mistakin the team he went 14-2 was with a 3rd year QB he had 3 great Rbs and he they still threw the ball 30 times a game. It was actually one of the best offenses of the time..
And at this point who is a better candidate?
I’m sure I can come up with much more meaningful and significant criticisms of all the other candidates besides being boring and old.
I honestly don't think we should be worried about winning in the playoffs
until we start making the playoffs with some regularity. Lets face facts, we haven’t made the playoffs in 4 years, and have won 4 or less games in 2 of the past 3 seasons.
Let’s start making the playoffs regularly before we concern ourselves with winning in it.
I like Marty regarless of his age...
I always thought he was a great coach who knew how to build a team. Unfortunately for him a few untimely fumbles in the playoffs cost him a shot at a SuperBowl. One things for sure Marty can get this team going in the right direction. And who knows, maybe 3 or 4 years is all he needs to get us back to the Big Game. Marty deserves a ring and I’d love to see him win on here and ride of in the sunset. He’d definitely leave this team in much better shape that he found it.
by ctd1977 on Jan 9, 2012 12:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I just see Marty as a stop gap.
He isn’t a long term solution. He’ll come in and get us a couple more wins. I don’t see him doing anything spectacular if he came here. We should be looking for a coach under the age of 50 that can coach long term. We have a bunch of young players that will be here for a while, and we should have a coach that grows with them.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Jan 9, 2012 1:04 PM EST via Android app reply actions
As soon as the players get comfortable with him, the he will retire.
There is no way he stays here more than 5 years. The majority of our players will be around longer than that.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Jan 9, 2012 1:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If your looking to hire a candidate who can be successful for 5+ years
then you really need to lower your hiring expectations. It’s extremely rare to get a guy who wins that consistently. Even rarer considering he’d have to take over a fairly poor team.
by J_B on Jan 9, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Guys, the lack of talent is the big problem. Coaching is secondary
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We definitely don't have too much talent.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Jan 9, 2012 1:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Marv Levy coached at a high level well into his 70's
I hate the way Marty/Dungy was dismissed. It’s only so much you can do as a coach. They can’t pass/catch/tackle etc anybody. I prefer coaches who can atleast get you to the playoffs ona regular basis. Most of the time to win in the playoffs you have to be lucky as well as good just ask Eli Manning and Tom Coughlin
by ctd1977 on Jan 9, 2012 1:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
For what it's worth
Chris Mortenson said it would be likely if Marty was hired, Chilly would be OC and Mike Nolan the DC. That would mean 3-4.
by flash_kiley on Jan 9, 2012 1:37 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Wow I was way off. It was Jason la Canfora, not Mortenson.
And he said most likely Sherman with Chilly and Nolan, not Marty. My bad.
by flash_kiley on Jan 9, 2012 1:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yep
And Mike Nolan’s 3-4 is not the kind of 3-4 you can transition easily to with the Bucs’ personnel.
Yeah that 3-4 would mean retooling the whole defense.
That probably wouldn’t be worth it…
by flash_kiley on Jan 9, 2012 2:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
l dont believe Marty is tied to any one D
He has had both the 4-3 and the 3-4 and had top notch Defenses at both..The one thing he does like to do when running a 4-3 tho is to blitz a line-backer off the edge. He belives in constant presure on the QB
This is the best option I have seen, that is just my opinion though.
Although all of you complaining about the possibility of Marty… The guy has done nothing but win in the regular season, which for now would be an absolute upgrade. Say what you want, but if we went 14-2 within the next 3 years & lost in the divisional round of the playoffs I am sure most everyone here would consider that a success. I know I would. Maybe some have grown accustomed to super exciting beat downs of the bucs & overwhelming 4-12ish seasons…I guess I can see why you guys would get so mad at the thought of putting together some winning seasons & maybe didn’t make it all the way to the super bowl.
I really like Marty.
The only problem I have with him is his age, since it’s something you really have to consider. If we do hire him, he would have to pull some really good coordinators that could possibly succeed him while keeping most of the team the same.
I agree, that is the only way.
He would need great coordinators on both sides that could take over when he retires (which could be sooner than later). My point is that COULD work out very well for us. People here are complaining & worrying about possible playoff losses like we just came off of a few deep playoff runs or something. LOL. It would take a few straight years of actaully making it to the playoffs before I start worrying about how deep we go.
by RuudAwakening on Jan 9, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
never thought I would say this but at this point i just want to be able to compete and have a chance to win some games. I would be satisfied going 8-8 next year after this pathetic end of the season we had. I do not want to go through another 10 game losing streak
What about Perry Fewell?
His defenses always seem to get to the QB, He isn’t too old to bring in, he isn’t a retread, but he also doesn’t have prior head-coaching experience. Although, I think that we should build around Freeman, a defensive coach can help us win more games. Furthermore, we could still go out and get an OC with some talent…
this guy has a really good regular season record.
we really need consistency. a one and done year in the playoffs is a huge step forward, not to mention how bad it burns and makes you want to get back there. lookout for the lions next year if they stock up on D in the draft.
San Diego gave Marty the raw deal
Didn’t he get fired after going 14-2? If I’m not mistaken he didn’t like how A.J. Smith sent all his weapons to the NFC south
by GoBuxGo on Jan 9, 2012 3:27 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
You want discipline....
This is the guy. I just dont want his son here to be OC. Get a young up incoming OC/DC that will eventually step in when marty steps down and I’m all for it.
Marty is a good choice for a team like this
He is a good teacher of fundamental football. He has always gotten the most out of his teams . You can point out the playoff record., and in responce ill say that most of those years he had teams that out preformed just to make the playoffs. He has turned bad teams into solid teams with a winning culture.. He should bring in good asst. Coaches and hopfully one will take over for him after 2 or 3 years when it time for him to retire. I like Marty a lot. consistancy NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT:)
I could live with Marty or Sherm
If they brought an OC like Carmichael from NO or Clements from GB that could bring some energy and tempo to the offense
Need Leadership
Lets be honest…there are no Bill Bellichecks on the market right now. That guy is succcesful EVERY year. But Marty does have experience and a good track record (minus the playoffs). Noone else on the market right now has the experience and leadership we need right now to take a team that just went south for the winter into a winning team with solid leadership
Build Coordinators around him
if the Glazers are smart (which is open for debate) they will hire solid coordinators that can ease into the reigns or the leader of this team when Marty retires in 3-5 years..but at least they will have a solid foundation by then, Right now we dont have a foundation and if you bring in a winning college coach or something like that..there is too much on the job training they will have to do…we need a knowledge and wisdom right now…his age does not matter as much if they hire the right coordinators and they start thinking about his predecessor now…
You cannot argue with Schottenheimers success...
I mean, the guy got fired going 14-2… lame by SD. He can definitely turn the ship around.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 9, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
That’s what I mean. If you can get an NFL team to 14-2, you have to be doing something right. Our team is so young and immature, we need a solid leader (and not a pal, like Morris was). We still have some gaps on talent. But we do have talent. A guy like Marty can maximize talent through knowledge and smarts. It’s great to be able to get your team fired up, bit that only goes so far without having the right strategy and game plan along with discipline and accountAbility.
by gmaz1 on Jan 9, 2012 10:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hire a coach
I will state again, why would anyone want to coach in Tampa Bay? What is in the community that would make it worthwhile? Why would you want a “hot” college coach? He has no experience dealing with professional football players. Some call Phillips and his ilk retreads. What else is out there? At least an older retread might/would/hopefully coach these young players to be professionals. Perhaps, in a few years they would bring in a coach with a different personality to mesh with the “matured” players? People have dumped on Morris consistently. Was he the one who drafted these players? Where is his culpability? Schottenheimer is the same age as me, and I’m still full of piss and vinegar. A good head coach will delegate to proven assistants. It would seem to me that the team must spend more on better coaching. Free agents and the draft are not going to solve everything. Hell, if I was a free agent I would not want to play in Tampa Bay with the mess that exists. I would wait for stability which an older retread might bring.
I think Wade Phillips is an amazing DC... but a poor HC
It was clearly more than he could handle in DAL (and Jerry Jones is always scurrying around in the background doing things) and did not have to concern himself with drafting or personnel moves (again – see Jerry Jones) but still struggled. Again, great DC but can’t handle ALL the other duties that come with a HC cap.
Schottemheimer, on the other hand, would have a wealth of connections to bring together a really top-notch staff here – which is EXACTLY what we need. I don’t care how old or how goofy his speaches are – he makes it work everywhere he has been. Most recently in SD.
We may even get Mike Sherman or Trestman as our OC anyway. Give Marty the clipboard Dom and finally do something right around here.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 10, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Praying - Tebowing- for marty
Hope his interview goes well. I think he is by far our best candidate. I actually would feel good if he was behind the reigns of this team.
by gmaz1 on Jan 9, 2012 11:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So, Marty's interested in Coaching Tampa....
Hmm, solid head coach, experienced, proven winner.
however, i agree , his son running the offense is a bad idea.
we need to consider a fresh approach on offense, (west coast even?)
but i have this bad feeling that wade phillips is going to be the darling of the glazers.
and having him here as Buffalo’s head coach, it was interesting, solid defense, but the offenses were always erratic.
although, the run game he developed in his tenure were pretty damn good.
going to be a fun week to speculate.
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