25 Buccaneers Who Should Be Scared For Their Jobs
In about a month, the new coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is going to spend a lot of time watching tape. He's going to have a little notebook or tablet or notebook or whatever with him while he's doing that. And that little notebook is going to be filled with names and red pen. Players are going to be cut, removed and even out of the league after this disaster of a season.
Here are my 25 players who should be scared for their jobs this offseason. Yes, that's nearly half the roster - and there's no way the Bucs say goodbye to this many players as they simply can't replace them all. But there are a lot of players who deserve to be let go based on this year's performance.
The underperformers AKA the ones who played so far below their talent level, they can't return
LB Quincy Black: Got a big contract this offseason, and promptly forgot how to play football. Missed tackles, terrible angles and other mistakes marked his play this year. Maybe the commitment the Bucs showed him earns him another season, but he should be gone based on this year's play.
C Jeff Faine: Was a solid if unspectacular center, but has struggled with injuries and has become less and less effective. His $6 million salary won't help the Bucs to keep him around.
DT Albert Haynesworth: Made a rare splash play or two but spent most of the season getting willingly pushed out of his gap. Did nothing to warrant being brough back, let alone at his $6.7 million salary.
S Tanard Jackson: Quite possibly the worst tackler I've ever seen. Didn't even try to wrap at any point. Missed an NFL-leading 24 tackles according to Pro Football Focus. He did that despite missing 5 games due to a suspension and missing one more game and at least three halves of football due to injury and being benched.
T Jeremy Trueblood: Is a terrible pass-blocker and an adequate run blocker. The Bucs are paying him $10 million to play this season and the next. Probably had his best season as a pro but still isn't good enough. The Bucs must find a replacement for him.
The ones with too little talent to be brought back
S Larry Asante: I don't see it. He's not fast, big, a good tackler or a ballhawk. I haven't seen him consistently take good angles, or make any impact in the passing game. To me, he's just another guy.
CB E.J. Biggers: Got eaten up by quality receivers this year. Had a good 2010 season but wasn't as good this year and has always been a terrible tackler. Useful for depth, but if the Bucs re-vamp their secondary he could be gone.
S Ahmad Black: Was on the practice squad for most of the season despite terrible play from the Bucs' starting safeties. Small, slow and didn't show anything on the field when he got the chance. Could have a role in some sub-packages but hasn't shown up on tape this season.
QB Rudy Carpenter: Weak-armed and spent almost the entire year on the practice squad until Freeman suffered an injury. Is a fringe backup.
DT Jovan Haye: An emergency backup player who got some playing time because the Bucs needed a body. Used to be good, years ago.
DT John McCargo: See above.
DT Roy Miller: Can't hold up against double teams and offers nothing as a pass rusher. Had a few good games toward the end of the season as a run defender that might save him.
DT Frank Okam: Big. That's about it. Had a good preseason but never turned into a capable starter, then got cut and moved to the practice squad.
The free agents AKA the ones who did nothing to earn a new contract
CB Ronde Barber: Was still useful in coverage especially on tight ends, but more often than not was a liability in run defense. Is getting up there in age and may not be worth the millions he earns each year - even if he wants to come back.
RB Legarrette Blount: Ran hard and with vision early in the year but ended the season on a very low note with numerous fumbles. Add accusations of an off-field incident and a new coach may want to make an example of him, although he showed enough to be brought back in my mind.
T Demar Dotson: Did some good things as a sixth lineman and didn't really look bad in the final game of the season, but he's a project at right tackle. Will they bring back a fourth-year player who's still a project?
RB Earnest Graham: Useful when on the field and a utility back, but he'll be 32 and has struggled with injuries recently. May be time to move on.
LB Geno Hayes: Had a chance to earn a new contract if he could become more consistent. Instead regressed, couldn't provide the splash plays he provided earlier in his career and was benched midway through the season. Can't see him coming back.
S Sean Jones: Quite possibly the slowest starting safety in the entire NFL. Blew numerous coverages, couldn't tackle in the run game and was benched repeatedly. He's gone.
T James Lee: Had a horrible preseason, had to take a pay cut, was inactive for most of the season and was benched in the one game where he got some playing time. He's gone.
RB Kregg Lumpkin: Looked terrible as a running back all season long. Mediocre at best as a blocker on third downs and adds nothing special as a receiver. He's probably gone.
S Corey Lynch: Useful special teamer, but couldn't get on the field late in the season despite numerous opportunities. Can't fill holes in the run game. If he's brought back, it's because of his special teams impact.
CB Elbert Mack: Did some good things as a slot cornerback but can't play on the outside, is not a good tackler and mostly earned playing time because everyone else was worse. Could be back in a very limited role.
WR Micheal Spurlock: Was on the roster ostensibly to serve as the emergency QB, but didn't get the chance to do anything as a returner or receiver. When he did get on the field he showed absolutely nothing. Likely gone.
G Jeremy Zuttah: Started on a high note as the starter at left guard but reverted to his old role as an underperformer during the second half of the season. Could be retained as a valuable swing backup or potentially moved to starter.
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Our secondary
has to be redone completely, should be our 1st priority and then linebackers. We need help on offense but the D needs to be addressed first.
I disagree
I believe our first priority should be to put weapons around Feeman. We have to find out if he is a franchise QB
We need offense too don't get me wrong
But with Barber gone, Talib most likely gone, Asante out, Jones out…. Who do we have have? Biggers, Black, Grimm…? You can draft any offensive player you want and we will still get murdered every week. I’m all for Claiborne in the draft.
Im in no way saying we dont fix the Defense
My thoughts are this tho.I would hate to build a Defense fisrt and (a) Freeman looses confedence and is ruined by the time we get him help. Or (b) You build a Defense then you find out Free is not the answer. Then you have a team that wins 6 or 7 games a year or defense alone and youre never in possition to draft QB ..Or when u do u have to wait for him to develope. I do think free is a franchise QB. but i dont want to think he is..i want to know he is. I also believe that if the Bucs put the right weapons around Free and show that he is a franchise QB it will make it easier to atract free agents
You make a good point but...
Right now there are too many questions on defense, Is Ronde going to retire(hopefully not)? Is Talib going to be in prison(I’m confident that he won’t)? Are we going to resign Geno(no) or Haynesworth(hopefully)? The Glazers are going to make big moves in free agency because they have to now. With the money we have (North of 55 million) we could easily sign some big free agent receivers like a Marques Colston, a DeSean Jackson, or a Vincent Jackson, we could even improve our O-line. Right now our biggest concern should be to improve our crappy secondary and linebackers, I would think that we can pull in Morris Claiborne in the first, Vontaze Burfict in the second, and a LaMichael James/Chris Polk/Montee Ball in the 3rd to give Blount a good complementary back.
by Steven Person on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Free main weapon
It need to be a better blocking O line that actually get a push and get to the second level during run plays. Also holds up in the middle to left gurad area in passing. I would love to see trueblood as a left guard. So that he won’t have to worry about fast DEs it’s mainly slow and powerful lineman. Our blocking been the issues for three years. It’s time to fix it already. That why we sux in the time of possession stats. Blocking.
Our O-line was still pretty good this year though
We only allowed 32 sacks all year, it definitely could be better but it would be a mistake moving Trueblood to LG. he is a Tackle, and at this point in his career it wouldn’t be smart to try and teach him a new position. We could always go after Carl Nicks from the Saints to help our interior line and move Jeremy Zuttah to center, then we could either go after a big name Tackle in FA or just draft 1 this year.
by Steven Person on Jan 7, 2012 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
Clearly Trueblood is not an NFL quality tackle - not even a RT
so perhaps he should have been a G all along. If he want to remain on an NFL roster, a position change might be something he should be open to.
Not a lot of NFL teams are looking for a turn-style shaped like an OT.
I definitely agree
You can also win a lot of games in the NFL today if you have a lousy defense but a great offense. We’re really stalling on Freeman until we get him some weapons, it’s impossible to properly judge whether he is a franchise QB or not when he has a horrid rec corp and poor Tight Ends.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Addressing both the offense, and the defense, can happen simultaneously...
but the F/A market can no longer be dismissed or ignored. We only have SO many draft picks (and now one less thank to the Dom/Luke Stocker debacle) so solid starters need to be found however, and whenever, they can.
S Dashon Goldson and CB Cortland Finnegan would fill 2 weak spots solidly. Either WR Pierre Garcon or Dewayne Bowe fills another gaping hole. Draft wisely and next year the puzzle pieces can be completed. We will not be Superbowl bound in 2012 – but we can be competitive with some judicious additions.
We HAVE to use both FA and the Draft
If we want to significantly improve. Last year I really wanted them to sign Joseph, but they didn’t and this year our secondary was embarrassingly bad while Joseph only went on to have an all-pro season. Finnegan would be great and would bring some toughness to the defense. Talib / Finnegan is a decent 1-2 CB pairing.
Garcon is probably going to stay in Indy. Their much more likely to let Reggie Wayne leave.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Dom wanted him SO badly that he gave up...
our 4th Round pick in 2012 to move up enough spots to select TE Luke Stocker with our 2011 4th Round pick – ostensibly costing us 2 4th Round pick for his underwhelming self. Not really Stockers fault, as it was all Dom, but still carries the stigma.
Just sayin’
I agree look at 2010.
Lousy defense, but our offense was at least effective when it needed to be. Offense in the draft especially at RB… (Richardson) provides instant spark and production on offense. While on defense it will take some time for it to develop especially surrounded by no veteran leadership. Get alot of free agents on defense and a great weapon in the backfield and some guys in the draft on offense that can learn and contribute later down the road.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
Richardson at RB eh?
add Pierre Garcon, Dwayne Bowe, DeSean Jackson, or Dwayne Bowe…and our offense has just become somewhat scary.
DeSean Jackson?
please tell me your kidding.
Doubt Garcon leaves Indy. Good chance bowe stays too KC has plenty of cap space.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he just signed a new 2 year deal this past offseason
so no, he isn’t. He has a hard time staying healthy anyways. Vincent Jackson, Bowe, Garcon, Stevie Johnson are all guys I would like to see targeted if they aren’t re-signed by their current teams.
Jermichael Finley is also a FA. Cutting WinSLOW and signing Finley would be amazing.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
garcon...
I don’t see why so many people here are in love with him.. I honestly think the Bucs are better off seeing what Briscoe develops into. Garcon is really not that great of a weapon, he drops balls quite frequently and isn’t a stellar route runner either.
Garcon is a rocket ship...
and that weapon must be respected. We don’t have anybody on our roster that fills that bill.
They will probaly franchise him
And let Vincent Jackson walk. If they franchise Jackson again it will cost them 12mil , Jackson would intantly change this Offense on 3rd down Jackson and Benn on the outside with Williams in the slot. Thats scarey. We would all know after one season if Free is a franchise Qb or time to look for one
Bowe would not bring the speed we need
We need Jackson on a 4 year deal or Steve Smith on a 2year deal. Then just draft stick to the plan. But find out next year if Free is the man or not
There's no way the panthers let Smith walk
not after the monster season he had with Newton. He’s also the panther’s true franchise player, he’s literally the best player that franchise has ever had (obviously way too soon to give that title to Newton).
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
we should see higher salaries...
…the new NFL TV contract guarantees each NFL franchise 220 million dollars. WOW! That is why a lot of owners (possibly the Glazers) have decided to run a cheap organization…NFL teams CAN’T lose money.
Are you serious?
DeSean Jackson is on everyone’s wish list. He’s the Asomugha of this free agency the only thing is I seriously doubt Philly let him walk. So what he acts how he does? You would to if yu are in the top 3 most dangerous players in the NFL and only making 6 figures a year. Its not right but Jackson kept quiet long enough and just played, Philly is just using him like Chicago and Forte.
Thank God your not our Owner / GM
He’s on no one’s wish list. He’s desperate to get the franchise tag, when’s the last time you heard that? Fail.
What do you guys think about a Reggie Wayne?
he’s on the down side of his career, but still have a few years of solid productivity. He could also provide some veteran leadership this team lacks. If the price is right, I’d take him.
Lukewarm at best
I think someone is going to wind up overpaying for him. At this point, he’s older, his skill set is deteriorating, and he isn’t fast or tall so I don’t think he’d really ever amount to much for us.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
id take Reggie on a 2 year deal
Man i just want a top notch reciever to find out if Free is for real before the Bucs go to far into the rebuild mode. I have been a fan since 76. I rember what the Bucs did with Dilfer . They drafted him the drafted DEFENSE did it well sapp. brooks. lynch the list goes on. then they relized he was not the answer. Then tried to win with King. Find out if we have the MAN or not. he is comming into his 4th year. Now is the time .go to free agency pick up a reciever and a top notch LG someone like Nick or Grubbs and a decent back WHO knows blitz pickups. with the LG u improve your run and passing attack same with the Rb ..the reciever gives Free a weapon. You draft the best available players.. with the first pick u do not worry about possision or need. Youre looking for a hall of famer . IF Free is the real deal and your added those peaces a lineman a back and a probowler on offense or defense u have a foundation. If free is not the answer then u go for a QB as fast as u can .
I definitely agree that we desperately need a top notch rec
for Freeman, at the very least it will serve as a barometer to determine if he is worth building around or moving on.
I just don’t think Reggie Wayne is that top notch rec. I’d rather have Vincent Jackson, Bowe, or Stevie. I also think Reggie it’s pretty likely reggie gets more than 2 years from someone.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of Vincent Jackson
…the Chargers have let their intentions of NOT resigning him be known. He is a solid #1 WR.
we do not need to draft richardson with 5th pick, it is just to high
u can get running backs late round picks
I really don't think you should take a RB in the 1st Round
Unless it’s a Peterson, Foster, Ray Rice type of player. RB is one of the few positions where you can really maximize value in later rounds. ie: Demarco Murray (for maximizing value) Mark Ingram (for minimizing draft value).
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Heck im from the old school top 15 picks are
QB . DL OL or someone u believe in your heart is a probowler. if u draft outside the qb dl or ol in the top 15 and your player is not a probowler in 3 years as a GM you be fired
Not sure I agree on that
Ingram’s Jr year was almost identical to Richardson’s current year. They even played at the same school. I think Richardson is better than Ingram, by a decent amount, but I don’t think he blows Ingram out of the water. I just don’t think Richardson would improve this team as much as you would like the #5 overall pick to do. Obviously there is a ton of personal preference in that.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
i dont agree Richardson is 3 times the back Ingram is
just that we should not draft a WR or RB till 2nd round
now way, do we want to be like the the raiders and the lions
matt millen picked nothing but weapons for offense in the top 5 and how did that work out? even the raiders did too. You can get goof value for running backs and WR mid to late round.
Look at the best teams in the league and they rarely draft WR, RB in 1st round, lets draft like patriots, SMART.
We need to draft a STUD at #5
If they are not there, then we should trade back for more picks.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 4, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
He needs to be cut
I truly hope the Glazers are going to spend a lil money.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 4, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
no way man, josh freeman will never be as good as Brees, Ryan and mabey even Newton.
so we have no choice but to stop them with a stout defense
Josh Freeman was better than Matt Ryan last year
so I don’t see how you can say that.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
I would hardly say that
Ryan won divison and made playoffs
His personal statistics were better.
Matt Ryan is not the reason Atlanta won the division or made the playoffs.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
tru enough, but u really think Free will be able to score 40 points a game
just remember our division, because that is how we draft, mabey if we were in another division it might make sense drafting richardson or blackmon, but even then i dont think it is worth taking WR RB in 1st. Cruz and Baldwin and Foster were undarfted. Blount too
doesnt need to score 40 a game
But i want to know we can score a heck of a lot more than 1 td in the first quarter a year. i want to see him have the personel to score 21 a game excluding points when youre down by 20 . Let me put it this way , I’’ll go on a limb without looking and say we were the worst rated offense in the NFL in the first half of games and that 35% or more of our offense were garbage points and garbage yards.fix the offensethen build the Defense 27 a game in the modern NFL is not askin to much
but if u guys want to get better on offense
we will have to draft a WR a stud TE another RB. and we still wont score enough, cause we are so dreadful on defense.
Lets just get back to buc ball and that is defense, our bread and butter, something to stop our division from scoring 40 points on us a game.
1st round CB, 2nd LB, 3rd CB for our draft, then lets get some offense guys in free agency, cause we have 55 mil in salary cap to make up next year.
We need 4 players in our secondary alone
lots so talk about Blount being undrafted.
….Blount was undrafted because he was suspended his senior year for sucker punching a player after the Boise State game. Most already know this…but he was a projected draftee before the incident. its not like he came out of no where. He was one of those guys that people were wary of because of off the field problems…also, people speak of Blount like he is a pro bowler. He’s not. Does he have potential? possibly but let’s be real here.
blount never had a chance to be successful this year with olson
we had fewer rush attempts this year as a franchise ever
pfftt i believe it
To make thats the pinacle of Olson’s logic. To have a back capable of pounding the packers singlehandedly, yet refuses to use him. Thank god that guy got thrown out with the garbage.
Do you remember Brees getting benched in San Diego which lead to them to drafting Rivers?
1 great yr n 1 shitty yr don’t define him and no I don’t count the rookie yr when most qbs wouldn’t have done much better with an unmotivated Bryant and Clayton as the top receivers. He still has some upside I think Olsen held him back some.
sure, but still dont think he will ever be elite, just so inaccurate
u notice he didnt scrambling as much as last year
62% he completed this yr
that is with all the drops too. He has shown he can be accurate especially in the 10 season toward the end of the season.
i agree we have to redo our secondary, sean jones is awful
barber is done, talib is over rated, grimm is fragile
LaRon Landry is a Free Agent
If Wash doesn’t lock him up, that would be a great start. While you would have to assume the redskins resign him, you also have to remember it is the redskins were talking about.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
He technically hasn't had the surgery yet
for the achilles injury that put him on IR. I’m not exactly sure what their waiting for. He’s obviously a fairly big risk, but when he plays he’s a top notch safety. The Safety position is extremely weak in FA this year also.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Not according to a washington post report 5 days ago.
Or so his ESPN player profile says. It’s literally Landry and then a massive drop off, Tyvon Branch & Chris Harris, then another massive drop off, and then a bunch of replacement level guys.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
what about the safety from Tenn
Your right tho. When healthy Landry is a Bob Sanders type talent
the Tenn safety is wildly inconsistent
and after watching tanard jackson for so long, I’d really prefer some more consistency, even if it means sacrificing overall potential. I’d probably put him in the category with Branch & Harris, but I just can’t get really excited about any of those guys.
Landry played almost every game for his first 3 years, but then has only played half of the games each of the past 2 years. Like I said it’s a risk, but when healthy he would go a long way towards transforming our secondary. When healthy he is elite.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
We do need a safety no doubt
But a healthy Grimm is as consistent and as good of tackler as I have seen play the game. He sticks his head in there and doesnt blow coverages. Sure the guy isnt a freak physically but neither are guys like eric weddle and him leanord who are solid starters and have been around forever.
Also when talking Tanard, the guy was out of football for over a year and just came in practiced a couple days and played. Granted he doesnt get in trouble off the field again I would not mind giving him a full offseason to workout and get into football shape. Too much potential to throw away
Grimm sounds perfect as a special-teamer...
let him tackle out there and let’s find an actual starting SS.
IDK
I like Grimm at SS. He’s got alot of respect around the league about his football IQ and his skills when healthy.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
He may be smart...
but he gets out of position and lacks the closing speed to recover. It’s not that I dislike the kid – I love a good underdog as much as the next guy, but he is a perfect example of our personnel in a nutshell – a viable back-up but is lacking something that makes him a good starter. 75% percent of our team is like that.
Also why we are 4-12
by Cracker Ball on Jan 5, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I feel what you are saying.
I think he’s better suited at SS. and he reminds me of a brent grimes type of guy. Got a lot of heart and he needs to stay healthy for a whole season and prove he can play.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
He's a bit small for SS
but he’s probably our best safety right now anyway. At least until Tanard remembers how to play.
I'd like to see him stay healthy so we can see what he can do.
Raheem was the DREAM that turned into a NIGHTMARE..
Ya, me too
I don’t know which secondary spots we’ll overhaul this offseason, but he’s not one I’m ready to lose yet even though I admit he’s no star player or anything.
Have you guys watched Grimm...
When Grimm is in the game and healthy, the Bucs are 14-6 (Not sure exactly but you get the point). With Grimm in the game, tackles are made and coverage is decent. When he went out, the other safeties showed their true colors. Jones is bad and Tanard hadnt stepped on a football field on over a year. He is the one guy that deserves to play and not as a special teamer. Also I am not sure Grimm is ever out of position. That is why he has been so successful this young. Remember also that SS don’t need top end speed to be successful. Do you all remember a man named John Lynch? Not any faster than grimm was a great tackler and had a high football IQ. I am not saying he is the next John Lynch but other positions need addressing. Grimm has played great when healthy
If Grimm IS our best safety...
that is a big commentary on the quality of our DB collection. John Lynch had some other great players around him, rarely got hurt, and could hit like a ton of bricks. He was fun to watch. Not sure Grimm compares to John Lynch very well.
You aren’t given the nickname “Friendly Fire” but your teammates because you can’t hit.
Keep Talib and Jackson can be good if he learns to tackle again. No practice with the team while suspended probably hurt?
Cut the rest of them imo. Get some FA and use drafts picks here.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
Can't do a total revamp at once
I keep Biggers only as a nickback and keep T-Jack only because It’s hard to forget his pro bowl calibur play bfore this suspension, I hope this yr version is more of being outta the game for a yr. Ronde farewell see you in canton. Yes Sean Jones is a free agent bye you looked like Sabby on a few plays which I didn’t think it was possible with anybody. Gotta cut Talib to make of an example of cancer on and off field won’t be tolerated even from our best players. Lewis a complete bust.
2 starting corners and a safety are needed.
You think a safety ahead of linebackers?
The focus needs to be on corners and linebackers on defense. Maybe grab a couple players in the draft but we have to hit free agencies for proven defensive players. A couple good linebackers and a every down back and a receiver are huge needs too.
that anout covers it
Black and Trublood will be back , they get paid no matter. Roy Miller , Zutta , Geno and BIggers as depth nothing more… the rest should walk the plank
I can't give up on Foster yet
To be thrown in the MLB spot is extremely hard for a rookie, especially with none to little guidance. He should have had a year to learn the system behind somebody, still think he can be a good MLB
I think he may be a good linebacker on the outside i dont know. But he cant play on the inside.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
I don't think he has enough mass to be an inside-tackler.. Plus with Hayes and Black dragging, it definately doesn't help
I still stand that it should of been Foster, McKenzie, Hayes.. Tyrone seemed to have some umf.. don’t get me wrong Foster has good range, but he’s not the knockout tackler we need on the inside.
Foster was just fine early in the year
When the defensive line disappeared and he was bothered by injury, that’s when he started to regress. No reason to think he’ll be a problem.
I agree with most of the underperformers.
Faine is a swinging gate, Haynesworth (meh), Black was awful etc.
Biggers, Okam and Miller I see coming back just based on depth and familiarity
Blount was a 4.2 YPC back and has shown he can be a 1st and 2nd down back (and can come in on some 3rd downs). He got 182 carries this year and racked up almost 800 yards, not bad for limited usage. Another 100 carries (about average for a starter) and he would have around 1300 yards rushing.
Hayes was disappointing for sure
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
In Looking over the list I agree on most points However
I predict if Fisher was picked coach that we will see Barber return…There is still some fire in him….Hainesworth a return!!!!!!! as well. Adams made him cut him from the Titans…So, Albert and Fisher have that long relationship…Other than that ??
C Jeff Faine needs to be relieved of his duties...
I like the wiley vet thing, but he has only played in 8 games per season over the last 2. He is a part-time C and we need somebody better. Cut Faine and it becomes the classic “addition by subtraction”.
Move Zuttah to C and steal away one of those NO guards that are both F/As this off-season. Maybe kick Trueblood inside to G. Don’t like the RT opitions in this years F/A group, so that will probably have to be addressed via the Draft.
Its a long shot at #5, but maybe Kalil
1. Luck – IND
2. RG3 (via a trade)- Was
3. Claiborne- Min
4. Blackmon- Cle
5.Kalil- TB
I could definitely see this happening
I could also see Richardson going to Cle.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I could just as easily see...
1. IND – Luck
2. STL – Kalil
3. WAS – RG3 (via trade with MIN)
4. CLE – Blackmon/Richardson
5. TB – Claiborne
just heard today
that Christian Ponder has a vote of confidence from the Vikings ownership and they will NOT be going for RG3. Is this a ploy? I dont know….so take it for what it is…
Me and you agree on this hands down.
We see the same thing. He whiffs alot of blocks, i have never seen him pancake anyone, and the amount of money hes paid his play is not equaling up. I say trade him.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
Oh dude, I definately agree on that
Faine isn’t what we need on our interior. Definately a poor center, who been overrated on his subpar play. We need bigger interior like josephs dimensions. I hope Faine is kicked to the curb..
Carl Nicks the left guard NO
He is a free agent. #2 free agent prospect this year. Thier right tackle has been sighned long term. Another free agent option at left gaurd is Ben Grubbs
I never thought
I’d long for the days of Sabby in the secondary. Just kidding, but this year’s secondary looked like Sabby clones taking horrible angles and practically to a man could not tackle for ****. I can’t disagree with this list except Barber could have a limited inspirational role for his work ethic. Overall though he has become a liabilty in pass coverage.
We need morris caiborne
And sign cortland finnigan. Hes this years jonathan joseph. And cut all those suckers
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 4, 2012 3:03 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Too small in our division, he'd get burned every weekend
Colston is mad tall, jones is taller, and the only favorable match would be on Smith (both are fiery and would make sundays more exciting though)
The guy plays with heart, we need players like that
And he can take receivers out of the game mentally. Believe that.
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 4, 2012 10:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hate to say it
but I’m not sure Blount has the “smarts” to improve. He has breen a one trick pony who continues to stutter step in the backfield and come to a complete stop at the line. He’s been pretty effective after he gets the first five yards but was stuffed repeaytedly by defenses.
His vision was much better this year.
I think the main problem with Blount was he was given the ball so predictably. The defense was rarely caught guessing when he was on the field. I’d be really surprised if the Bucs don’t bring him back. The fumbles are an issue that he needs to focus on a lot in the offseason, but he has shown plenty of big play ability, and that is something this team is sorely lacking.
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Yea i agree.
Too predictable when he runs. And he is a back that should split carries with another good running back.
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totally agree with you both
I would for sure give him another year. i can handle a few fumbles here and there if he continues to make big plays, bound to fumble as hard as he runs
hes a one dimensional back...
and hes great at running north and south. but he lacks that initial bust to hit the hole and break it. he cant make people miss in the open field. but pair him with another back that is a little faster and can run, block, and catch, thats a two headed monster
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Its pretty common knowledge that he wasnt picking up the playbook.
…I am not saying he isnt smart…because I dont know him…but that is the “rumor” that was out there around town.
The Bucs have so many holes to fill it isn't funny.
I don’t see anyone on offense that we could draft w/ the 5th pick that says “This guy is going to be a game changer”. Sure, Blackmon and Richardson should be good players, but not worth the 5th pick IMO. Drafting either Claiborne or Kirkpatrick is the way to go w/ our first round pick, we need to get a shutdown CB. Now, in the 2nd round I would look at the LB’s on the board, but if the Bucs aren’t intrigued by what they see maybe they go WR and draft a guy like Kendall Wright or Dwight Jones. We have no explosiveness on this team whatsoever, and in the 3rd round I think we could find that w/ either David Wilson or LaMichael James at RB.
But then again, it all depends on what coach we bring in and who he thinks is a good fit out of the current players and what direction he wants to go. Maybe it’s just me, but I just don’t see a lot of great offensive talent in this draft. I mean there are some good WR’s, but none that I look at and say “that guy’s an explosive can’t miss player”.
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CBs very rarely go in the top 5
so there’s a slim to none chance to both Claiborne and Kirkpatrick go top 5.
Yes to Clainborne, but if the bucs wasted the #5 pick on Kirkpatrick it’d be a Gaines Adams esque bust.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Gaines Adams esque?
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by 4QB on Jan 4, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be tempted to add Talib to this list
And definitely Myron Lewis. Honestly we need every single corner replaced.
We don't have the personnel to cut Talib
He is far and away our best corner. Not that that is saying much, but we can’t afford to dump the lousy CBs and him, we’d literally have no one left in the secondary and it’d be impossible to replace an entire secondary in one off season. Biggers and Lewis are awful and would be practice squad players on most other teams.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's suspended 4 games best case
Assuming he doesn’t go to jail I think he should be terrified of being cut. He’s been implicated in locker room issues. If he’s brought back it will be on a very short leash, and I think that’s a big if.
Unless he gets significant jail time
I’m not sure it’s worth cutting him. If the Bucs wanted to truly make a statement and dump him for his legal troubles they should’ve done so long before now. Cutting him now is very half assed. It would also remove the only decent piece from one of the worst secondaries in the league. I’m by no means a fan of talib, but in a division where we face Newton Brees and Ryan, we can’t afford to start some pairing of the Barber / Biggers / Lewis 3some.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
New coach
Neither of us knows what’s happening, but he did not play well for most of this year and is a huge headache. That’s before the legal issues. We’ll see.
he cussed Raheem out in the team hotel lobby in front of
other players and media. Personally, (and I think many will agree) he is a cancer to the team. I dont care how talented he is…
When did this happen??? wow man, I need a link
If this is true, he’s need to be on the list mane. You can’t disrespect ANY coach, whether assistant or HC, like that…
Did Myron Lewis play this year?
I rarely get to watch games with volume But I didn’t see him at all.
Myron Lewis was a wasted draft pick...
a wasted 3rd Round Draft pick. Never mind that the likes of TEs Jimmy Graham, Ed Dickson and Tony Moeaki, LB Navorro Bowman, OG John Asemoah or WRs Eric Decker and Emmanuel Sanders were all taken AFTER Myron Lewis in the 3rd Round.
Ugh! Dammit Dom…
Normally don't like hindsight but
He was picked out of nowhere. It was a head scratcher at the time.
I remember it well - all the other viable CBs had been taken by then...
and Myron Lewis was basically all that was left – and now we know why.
Dom -1 and I believe it was at Raheems insistance
Myron Lewis showed a ton of potential at the end of last year
The questions were basically whether he could play through his injury, and whether he could continue to improve. He didn’t.
Some what agree with the list
The whole secondary HAS to be gone, I love Faine cause he’s from ND but the guy has got to go..I love the style of LGB and think he could be our feature back..but I can say this now because he is gone but Coach Logan was a family friend of mine and had nothing good to say about LGB..kind of disappointing to hear at the time but it’s hard not to see the guy is a idiot..I know I can pick up a blitz better than he can and I haven’t hit anybody in years!
by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Jan 4, 2012 3:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What did Logan say exactly?
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Well..
Logan said pretty much the guy is an idiot..he said LGB asked Logan why every week is check was for a different amount..mind you LG asked Logan this in like week 10..Logan told him its because he was always late to film sessions, practices, RB meeting and they kept fining him..after 10 weeks and he cant figure that out?? Like I said when I heard about this is was pretty discouraging but I can Definately see it now..by the way this was last year and when my uncle talked to Logan and he made some comments about him the next day is when LGB went off against ATL in our throwback game last year..so I guess take good with the bad??
by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Jan 4, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The game they gave away the McKay bucket hats
I think that was against ATL last year
by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Jan 4, 2012 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What about K. Winslow
He isn’t allowing Freeman to progress, consistently undermining his decisions and forcing Free to get him the ball when he is to slow to get any separation.
To sum it up
Anything that Bruce Allen has drafted and mediocre free agents.
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Unfortunately there's a few players on that list that Dominik drafted as well.
Most notably Roy Miller, and Myron Lewis should be included on there as well. Drafting busts with two of our last three third round picks is not good. Biggers and Ahmad Black were also drafted by Dominik, but not as big a deal because they were later round picks.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Biggers was a 6th or 7th round pick, I can't remember off the top of my head.
Imo, the fact that he started at all means he was a successful pick. Not every late round pick is going to turn out like Colston.
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by jBen05 on Jan 4, 2012 4:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Correct
and we got decent value from that pick. Doesn’t mean he still deserves to wear a jersey just because he was better than expected. Not to mention the fact that Biggers probably doesn’t make at least 75% of rosters in the NFL.
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I think a position we have to address is DT
with Mccoy with his injuries and playing half the year we need depth…RUN STOPPERS
In my book, he's scrapping pretty close to bust status
He needs a full year in. period. Bowers and Clayborn need his pressure or their going to lose effectiveness imo.. no? Cus the tackles we got now are decent but no run stuffs and not enough interior pressure to push the pocket into the bookends.
DTs not only affected Bowers and Clayborn
but hurt our LB play. Foster had our own DT in his lap all year
this is true
But at what point we do put accountability into Foster play? Yes I know, Haynesworth, Miller and McCargo are no Gmac and Price but it is what it is. If you have a C-(+) dline, you have to have better lb play to compensate.
I don't think there would be significant dumpage of players
since getting rid of half the team with these 25 players means struggling to find the same number of replacements who could play better (haha good luck with that).
Of the borderline cases – Blount, Zuttah, Miller, Biggers (yes him, maybe as a nickel?), Dotson, Lynch – I would keep for at least another year. I would also consider the possibility that it was the coaching schemes (specifically, whatever the hell kind of pass coverage Rah was trying to create) that had the players out of position/performing poorly.
But yeah, some of the big name guys – Faine, Haynesworth, Black, Sean Jones, Tanard “Stash” Jackson – need to get cut. The rest depends on what the incoming HC wants.
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What happened here man? Tjack used to pop receivers
A true reliable hitter. Disappointment :/
Hopefully he just gave up on Rah and its not a true testimate to his skills. Then again, since I’ve quit reefer a few years ago, I’ve noticed it takes a couple years to regain lost cognitive abilities lol.
I don't wanna forget the 07-09 when he was our best defensive back
I think the long lay off had a lot to do with his poor play I give him another yr since we gotta revamp almost our whole secondary.
Sander,
This is a great article. This team needs to have some accountability. I couldn’t believe how many (internet) fans were backing a lot of the players. “This guy is good”…etc. Well of course they are all talented…(they play in the NFL) Their performances weighed against their peers is how it should be judged. However, sometimes people misconstrue potential ability with performance. Just because a guy is drafted high, doesn’t necessarily mean he is a good performer.
After this past season, everyone on the roster other than Joseph, Koenen, Barth, Clayborn and a few rookies should be on the hot seat. By hot seat, I mean you have a limited amount of time to prove your worth.
I understand what youre saying but
You also have to keep in mind that half this roster has never had a full NFL offseason. Not one player on our d-line has spent an offseason together. Out of our top 4 reciever and our number one running back none have had an NFL offseason. Our d-line is so green and have had no time together. So little time in fact u did not see our d-line run stunts or d-line game.Being together for a full offseason with coachingshould really help. Its the bad tackling and fumbles that kill me
I think the lack of an off season is a bit overstated
Cam Newton destroyed defenses, and Andy Dalton / AJ Green both had great rookie campaigns. I’d imagine it’s harder for a QB to learn an entire new system, adjust to NFL defenses, establish some sort of repoire with receiving targets than it is for a defensive lineman to make the adjustment to the NFL. Von miller, Kerrigan, Julio Jones, and Demarco Murray also some other rookies who had great seasons.
While I do think the lack of an offseason really hurt this team, I think it is overstated in it’s effect.
by J_B on Jan 4, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
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Blounts' good enough to stay
Solid back in need of a weight watcher endorsement and good solid offensive coaching. The scheme we’ve seen them perform in stunk. New coach new looks everybody’s going to get re-evaluated. We go Claiborne 1st round send the message to the league an fans defense is important again and then we go Ball/James 2nd. Then we make some smart quality picks that we actually keep and cultivate. No more BS.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 4, 2012 6:02 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Do we really get 4th pick in 2nd round?
“The Buccaneers have drawn the fifth overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, and will alternate with Cleveland between the fourth and fifth spots for the remainder of the seven rounds”
the entire OL
except Penn and Joseph can go, although i think Zuttah is useful due to his ability to play anywhere on the line. Yeah, keep Penn, Joseph and Zuttah, everyone else can kick rocks. I think our entire defensive unit except the DEs. I"m not sold on McCoy or Price yet, but they get the benefit of the doubt. Can they play a whole season? And do they really do anything when they do play? I think it ‘s hard to tell what a player is until after about 3 years in the league, generally speaking, but it’s not looking good so far for out two young DTs.
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Its starting to smell that our poor, pathetic team will be mass gutted, personel speaking. The oline and dline interior is garbage. linebacking and secondary unit needs overhaul. Dom has his hands full don’t he?
How come Talib ain't on the list?
I figure with his off field troubles, he would be on top of the list.
Outside the Green Bay and Tenesee games when he shut down the receiver.
He has gotten picked on the other games.
He's been a pretty solid cornerback overall
And had two terrific games. Certainly didn’t have a bad season. Just not a top-notch season.
Not sure why the big rush to try and upgrade an offense when our defense is terrible.
The trend right now is certainly high octane offenses, just like in late 90’s early 00’s it was stingy defenses. By trying to catch up to the trend, we’re years behind. We are competing with the Saints, Packers, Patriots of the world. To try and outscore them is insane. We dont have the personnel they do. By the time we got that type of personnel, this phase of the game will be over and something new will be in vogue.
A rebuilt defense can slow those teams down (not stop them, but slow them down). We can put up 24 points and ask our defense to play well, btu we arent going to put up 48 points and outscore them. Look at the landscape of the game and find what you need to compete. To compete we need a better defense. We wont win any games giving up 30+ points a game. Get that to the high 10s low 20s and we now have a chance to be in every game.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Building a great defense is much harder than building a great offense
A great defense requires many great players and a good/great D coordinator. Turning around a poor defense usually takes a decent amount of time as well. You can transform an offense from poor to good fairly quickly; ie: Panthers in 2010 and Panthers in 2011. Lions as well.
both the lions and panthers had the personnel.
Panthers only real turnover was getting Newton. And the two big names the lions brought in were rookies, one of which hasn’t played a game. The only thing these teams needed was direction (panthers) and to get healthy (lions). Otherwise the talent was similar between 2010 and 2011. Same with how we went from a good offense to a putrid one, but had the same personnel. It’s just as much coaching as it is talent. Can’t have only one and be successful.
by Bucsfan123 on Jan 5, 2012 12:42 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Give me a stellar defense
and mediocre offense over a stellar offense and mediocre defense any day. I can’t stand watching games where both teams trade touchdowns and the last person to score wins.
Defense is important but this aint 2002.
We need to improve on offense… especially with a franchise QB like Freeman.
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Forget all the "in today's nfl" stuff, that stuff all goes in cycles anyway
I think the biggest argument for adding offense this offseason is to give Freeman every possible chance to prove he’s the future. Next year will be critical for him and he deserves some new weapons and at least one more solid lineman.
I’m still on the defense side of this argument, but to me this is the only reason I hedge a little on that. It’s just that.. man… this defense is atrocious.
We have some talent on defense but we have been trying to fix this defense since 2008 and its not working.
With a good DC it will improve and right now we need proven guys on defense to help instead of more rookies. We have vets on offense but not enough talent. We have a franchise QB for the first time in history, and he needs weapons. I want the 2010 Freeman anyday with a defense that is at least decent and a stud at running back as Richardson along with Blount im fine with that squad.
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The NFL seems to be cyclical - right now the offenses have the upper hand
but if you can keep the opponents score reasonable, you can keep yourself in the game with a mediocre offense. If you are playing NO, GB or NE – you are screwed anyway as they are juggernaughts and cannot be slowed, much less stopped. Holding the opponent to 20 points keeps you in every game.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 5, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I know "in todays nfl" there is major deficiency in CB's
Look at the all the passing records being broken. I say a top pick CB might get us out of that pothole.
CBs are important
But the most important part on defense is getting pressure on the QB. Even Revis cant do it by himself on defense. And he shuts down receivers by himself which is a rare thing in this leauge.
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devoping a great devense will be harder than ever
Not enough padded practices..Build the Offense
heres the deal guys
The Bucs were awful to watch this year. By the half you knew the game was over. They have no weapons to comeback with. The defense will only improve by making the offense better. This team sucks and its boring. At least by building an offense we can have a little hope and a little entertainment value LOL
The problem was coaching on offense, and I sure hope they bring in the right coaching staff to fix those problems.
The D does need to be completely revamped, especially in the secondary and linebackers. But to the defense of the defense, when the O is turning the ball over on first downs and going 3 and out, it takes a toll on the D. But now the the super predictable offensive play calling so called OC is no longer here, and the super soft lets be best buddies with the players HC are gone, things will get straightened out. But I do believe we have some good guys on the O, but adding some and losing some dead weight is needed too.
Raheem was the DREAM that turned into a NIGHTMARE..
Definately, you can't go 3&out 10times in a game and expect your defense not be exhausted
Olson, to me, was the no.1 reason why our defense was cashed out by the half. You got to give them young guys some time to recoup, talk it over, review plays, and strategize. They’d get to the bench and have about 1 minute to chill. Sustained drives will definately help our D!
or turnovers on your side of the field and you have to defend a short field.
its been a few games the defense has kept us in the game and the offense couldnt do anything to take the lead or move the chains for that matter
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Not sure you can get rid of this many guys
Which include starters and their backups. One offseason probably isn’t enough to fill all those positions.
Also, we’ll see if Ronde holds his word and high tails it out of here after firing Morris.
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Sander had that angle covered
Yes, that’s nearly half the roster – and there’s no way the Bucs say goodbye to this many players as they simply can’t replace them all.
And Lynch was saying in the last game that after talking for a long time with Ronde he thought he was coming back. I don’t see it though. I suspect he’s gone.
I realize it was more for fodder. Just playing off that point.
Ronde doesn’t make this team better. He’s an average corner right now who, as far as I can see, offers no real veteran leadership. I know we have a lot of holes and expecting to fill all of them is not realistic, but if Ronde wants to walk, let him.
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