2011 Bucs Season in Review: Quarterbacks
Over the next weeks I'm going to look at every position group on the team and see how they did last season, while also assessing how big of a need this is going into next season. Today I'm starting with quarterbacks: Josh Freeman, Josh Johnson, Rudy Carpenter...and Brett Ratliff.
What happened in 2011
Obviously, things did not go well in 2011. Josh Freeman regressed from his terrific end-of-2010-season form, when he led the NFL in basically every statistical category in a four-game span. In 2011 Josh Freeman led the NFL in only one statistic: turnovers, producing 22 interceptions and 9 fumbles, losing 5 of them. He threw for fewer yards per attempt, threw far fewer touchdowns and generally didn't look like the same quarterback.
As the season went on his fundamentals broke down, he stopped throwing downfield - and when he did, the ball ended up with the wrong team. The fourth-quarter magic that seemed to be present last season was gone, but it shouldn't really surprise anyone when a player who doesn't produce for three quarters can't produce in the final quarter, either.
Despite that, Freeman did show some positive signs. His pocket presence and ability to use his blockers to create more time for himself inside the pocket was much improved, which showed up in his sack rate - dropping from 5.6% to 5%, but that rate was much lower early in the season. This was also in part a result of his ability to consistently find a checkdown receiver, which showed up in his improved completion percentage too.
Of course, consistently finding the checkdown made him look like Captain Don't-take-a-shot-downfield at times, especially later in the season. That combined with inconsistent accuracy made it hard for the Bucs to sustain drives or produce big plays. Freeman wasn't helped by his receivers in this regard, who failed to gain separation from defensive backs and couldn't catch anything that wasn't thrown perfectly in stride.
Josh Freeman wasn't the only player to play quarterback for the Bucs in 2011, though. There was also Josh Johnson, who took snap after snap only to run around right end on an 'option' play where the only option seemed to be 'QB keeps, runs for four yards'. But when Freeman injured his shoulder he got to play some quarterback against the Carolina Panthers, and showed that he still had a lot of work to do too. He wasn't consistently accurate or productive, but he did have a pair of big plays in the game.
In addition, the Bucs had two backup quarterbacks at the end of the season: Rudy Carpenter and Brett Ratliff. Neither player got to do much.
2012 Outlook
Josh Freeman will be the starter for the Bucs in 2012. While he had a down year in 2011, he still showed a lot of positive traits and improvement in a few areas. The issues he did display are correctable, and should improve this season. With his terrific 2010 season, the Bucs can't possibly look for a new starting quarterback.
Tampa Bay must look toward a new backup quarterback, however. Josh Johnson will be a free agent, and he has made it clear that he wants to fight for a starting job - a chance he won't get in Tampa for at least one more season. While the Bucs will undoubtedly try to re-sign him it seems likely he leaves. Rudy Carpenter and Brett Ratliff aren't exactly the kind of quarterbacks you'd want to have as your primary backup, and Carpenter certainly isn't a fit for the "throw downfield" offense Greg Schiano wants to see.
2012 Options
The Bucs could sign a competent backup in free agency, or draft one late in the draft. Some of the top backups on the market include Chad Henne, David Garrard, Shaun Hill, Byron Leftwich, Sage Rosenfels, Rex Grossman and Brady Quinn. There will be a lot of somewhat competent backups on the market, but the Bucs are unlikely to make a play for any of the top free agents like Matt Flynn or Kyle Orton.
Instead I'd expect the Buccaneers to target a later-round quarterback to eventually develop into a starter. It's hard to predict what the rankings of quarterbacks would look like, but players like Brock Osweiler, Case Keenum or Russell Wilson could be available late in the draft.
Likely 2012 depth chart:
Josh Freeman, new addition, Rudy Carpenter.
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Case Keenum...
could be a good gem and due to his height – under 6 foot – he might fall to the sixth. The guy passed for an insane amount of yards for Houston and could be an exciting fit…
Much prefer Kellen Moore. I live in Texas and saw Keenum play a lot
Case Keenum is a product of the U of HOU system and got completely shut down by So. Miss. Run and Shoot kind of offense and will definitely not have the same success in the NFL. We are better off with Javon Snead – again.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 30, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm all for giving Freeman one more year, but I'm pretty sure it's time to move on
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 30, 2012 8:42 PM EST reply actions
As for the re-treads on that list, Garrard is the only one worth taking a look at
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 30, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I was really disappointed by Free.
As Sander said, it wasn’t all his fault. He showed some improvement in certain areas but a drop off in more. I’m just thinking this was an off year, and with an entire offseason, he will hopefully improve. One or two more seasons like last year, and he will not be around much longer. Let’s hope that isn’t the case.
Oderint dum metuant
If anyone can find a recievers coach that can teach seperation to these guys, It would be a blessing.
"Number one song and a Grammy, now I'm smashing
Maserati crashing, swerving through the traffic
Wrap it 'round a pole, sell a mil off the tragedy
I defy gravity "
the best way to get separation is to stay out late, party all night and lose weight
ummm on second thought never mind
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 30, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah he had a disappointing year
but it’s nowhere near enough to “move on”, but yeah, they need a backup.
We want the ball, and we're gonna score!
Maybe its not time to "move on" but...
After last year we are just going to hand him the job?? At least bring in some competition, let him prove he can be the 2010 guy again. Maybe a little competition is all he needs to light a fire.
I don't buy this
I think competition is always a good thing.
by aakks on Jan 31, 2012 6:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I personally believe that competition is a good thing...
that takes all parties to a higher level than they could reach on their own. Freeman needs it just like everybody else. No one is irreplaceable in this league, especially a young QB that has regressed because play time is more important than game time. He gets to focus, get back to someplace he has already been, or he needs to have his job taken from him by a legitimate veteran starter (and not JJ – who plays sandlot football).
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
Agree 100%
I think the tag franchise QB got put on Freeman before he has earned it. One good season doesn’t equate to a franchise quality QB. Last year he made comments about being comparable to Brees,Rodgers and Brady that looked like all the fuss had gone to his head. He was Morris’s brainchild and there wasn’t much talent he was competing against in his first. He was annointed as a franchise QB more than he showed consistently that he has earned that title.
The only comments he made were that he wanted to be compared to the top QBs in the league
I’d say that shows ambition, not arrogance.
Shoot...then he had better get started
because he has a helluva long way to go. Really hope we can find a good enough OC and QB coach to get him there.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Freeman has talent no doubt
and I believe last year’s poor showing by the offense will motivate him. He showed that during the offseason two years ago. Olson’s timidity, little traction in the ground game and his receiver’s less than stellar play contributed to his bad year. I do believe that better coaching and play from the rest of the offense will bring out his best again.
True, there were a number of factors...
that contributed to last seasons collapse. Rah was only part of it. Crappy play by basically everybody, including Freeman, along with the inept play calling and lack of adequate coaching. A true group effort.
Hope everybody at One Buc Place takes a good long look in the mirror…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Super Bowl or Toilet Bowl
It’s always a team effort.
I watched the interview
And I saw arrogance not ambition. He wanted to be compared because he felt he already had earned the right and the media was swooning for him after his 10-6 season. I’m talking the Gruden interview.
He emulated Morris's bravado
I want a confident QB, but sometimes it’s a thin line between overconfidence and arrogance. It’s a matter of a difference of perception between us.
Bad reads were all him...
the dropped balls were on the WRs and TEs. Same coaches same system – but a lot tougher schedule.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I believe EVERYONE need competition
If he’s the franchise QB then he won’t have any problem handling that competition.
Peyton Manning didn't need competition
Franchise QB’s don’t. Do you hear people calling a backup QB to challenge Matt Ryan, or Joe Flacco, or Matthew Stafford, or Philip Rivers? No because its dumb
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
1st rounder
I don’t think Freeman will get much better. The Bucs are going to change OCs again, therefore changing the way Freeman thinks about the game, therefore leading to more struggles again. Instead of changing Freeman and the offense, change the quarterback and go for RG3. His talent level is unbelievable and his intellegence is on par with an ivy leaguer. RG3 would be an upgrade at the QB position which would lead to an upgrade in offense. I suggest trade with Cleveland: swap 1st picks and trade Freeman for Peyton Hillis, which would give the Bucs a double dose of pounding RBs.
Are you serious?
Trade for Peyton Hillis? Is it just cause he was on the Madden cover? Maybe we should get Daunte Culpepper too
by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Byron Leftwich...
has the wind up of Juan Marichal. No touch on his passes either. Everything he throws is a fastball.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Freeman reminded me alot of them.....
every game this season with all his over thrown balls, rushed passes and dirt divers….. I say give him a few games this season to show improvement but be ready and prepared to replace him….. He looked alot like his 1st season and actually even more so like his college days….. I would not be surprised at all if he is soon replaced!
Even in his best game ever, IMO, he did not play as good as Cam Newton this past season…. If Newton improves, Ryan and Brees keep playing at a high level then Freeman may be a factor at keeping us last in the South division the next few season.
"In life, you'll have your back up against the wall many times. You might as well get used to It." - Coach Paul 'Bear' Bryant
Freeman won't be replaced
For at least another season. If this season is another bad year for Freeman then the Bucs might start looking, but they won’t look this offseason. There’s no reason, he’s only 1 year removed from an excellent season.
I would not trafe up for RG3,
But if he is sitter there at #5 and Claiborne is off the boards, the Bucs should definitely consider it.
Many of your statements seem unfounded.
Let’s start with Payton Hillis who had one good year disappeared. BTW he is a FREE AGENT and I doubt Cleveland even tries to resign him. Th\at’s how bad he is now.
RG3 is on par with an ivy leaguer? Now your just making things up. I’m not even calling him dumb but what does this have to do with football?
A ton
Look at QB who have a good wonderlic score. Then look at QBs who have talent a poor wonderlic. You will be astonded. Ryan Leaf low wonderlic is a perfect example.. If you take in 3 factors Wonderlic Score of 27 College games started 25 and completion% in College 60% ,Its basically equals NFL success. RG3 blows all those numbers out of the water.
So what is RG3s Wonderlic score?
If you’re not smart enough to grasp the complexities of an NFL play book, you will not be a very good QB. My money is on Andrew Luck (Stanford). You know he’s smart.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Of the possible backups listed,
I’m actually partial to Grossman or Henne. Both have the strong arms necessary for the type of offense that Schiano wants to run, and both are veterans with moderate degrees of success (Grossman more than Henne).
I’ve always thought that a team’s primary backup should be a veteran, while the 3rd QB should be the developmental project that will hopefully become the starter at some point.
With that in mind, I would say cut Carpenter and draft someone late who fits the system that we can try and develop.
What about Chris Redman (ATL) or Sage Rosenfels (MIN)?
I remember Rosenfels lit us up in HOU a few years back. I was at that game, and he made us look bad – real bad. We still had a good DEF back then too. I think it was in 2008. Need a guy that won’t get all flustered and try to take off running (JJ).
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Redman I'm sure will go back to ATL
There’s really no reason for him not to. He wants to be there, ATL wants him there, and the situation here is roughly the same, no playtime.
Rosenfels I wouldn’t mind too much, but Henne and Grossman both have strong arms, and are likely to be better fits for the offense Schiano says he wants to install. From what I’ve seen of Rosenfels he’s not much of a strech the field guy.
Am I the only one...
who thinks Freeman’s regression was almost completely because he had probably the worst combination of offensive line/ receiver play in the league?
I think thats a factor.
2 years ago, Freeman showed what he can do when he gets some help. I really think Olson has to bear the blame for the offensive woes. Freeman pressed alot this season and made some bad throws but every quarterback does. I think more than anything he was trying to do too much based on the lack of anything else really working on offense. If all I’m getting is bullshit underneath stuff all game, I’d think I’d gamble too and gun it out there. But ultimately, thats the past and now he just needs to get back to work and make it happen. I’m damn sure not writing off a 23 year old QB this soon. Now freaking way.
I agree joe.
To give up on a young and talented QB is freaking stupid. Cant believe some of you even suggested… I believe he failed in 2011 because of olsen but more because he read his own press clippings. mark my word right now. Freeman is going to make some of you eat yours this year…. Get rid of him after only two years would be stupid. Remember, we once got rid of a QB named steve young, pro bowler, hall of famer. I’m not comparing him to young, but you never know…….
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 31, 2012 6:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Freeman needs to be accountable for his poor season last year...
and you can’t blame it all on the OL or WRs. He regressed on his own, and seems to have lost his focus and drive he showed the year before. We know he CAN do it, because he did it the year before. Will he dedicate himself to return to his prior form is the bigger question.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think his work ethic has come into question
I think he just realized the rest of the team quit, (Blount, Williams, Winslow), and it was too much for him to overcome. He will be back with a vengeance next year, as long as Schiano keeps everyone in line like he should. Freeman definitely wants to win though, he still has that fire.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 31, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
The fact that Freeman was sitting at Schiano's introductory press conference,
Nodding along with the speech and paying rapt attention makes me believe most of his regression was a matter of coaching. Seems to be like Freeman is looking for someone and something to believe in when it comes to football, and it looks like he’s already bought in.
I think Freeman has a bounce-back season. Even though it’s technically a new system, it’s one he’s far better suited for than the West Coast. Freeman’s not a pinpoint accuracy guy, he’s a guy with a big arm whose shown he can make good decisions when given the opportunity. A system the revolves around running and deep passes will play into his strengths, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a Pro Bowler next year.
In the NFC... I would advise repenting, because the end would be near.
He is not going to outplay Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees or Eli Manning to make the Pro-Bowl. His only hope is that our attendance skyrockets and everybody here votes for him (and that is still only 1/3 of the vote).
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well, to be honest
He doesn’t have to outplay one, he just needs one to pull out because of injury or being in the SB.
That being said, I think it’s entirely possible he outplays one of them. If he returns to the efficient form that he had 2 years ago he very well might outplay one. Rodgers, Brees and Manning are all elite QBs, but they’re not elite and record breaking every single year.
I don't get the Mike Williams quitting sentiment around here
I think he did much better later in the season than earlier. I think he messed up in his offseason, but worked through the year and starting coming back to form near the end of the year.
Kellen Moore or Russell Wilson both look like guys
who will fall to the later rounds. I think both guys are getting dumped on because of their size, but both have proven to be capable QB’s and leaders. Both seem like good character guys as well. I think Josh Johnson is a servicable QB if asked to play QB instead of only drop back just to run. But if he decides to leave i think we should look at a young guy in the later rounds and bring in whatever bum veteran we can find to pad the position.
free's not the qp
free is luckly that josh didn’t get more playing time when he was out with a injury because it would’ve become a issue on who should be the starting qp. if the new coach keep josh and there is a qp competition josh will be out freeman.
What? Really? You've decided this already?
Wow, some loyalty Bucs fans have. I hope Freeman walks when he becomes a free agent so he can play for a real team with real owners and win a superbowl. Then we’ll see. The boy is special, and his work ethic has never come into question. I bet he’s the happiest person in the building now that Olsen and Raheem are gone. He was at Schiano’s intro press conference, and I could only imagine the smile on his face when he heard the portion on accountability. Josh is a good QB, watch out. Comeback player of the year next season? I think so.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 31, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
That....thats amongst the most rediculous things I've ever heard.
Josh Johnson would beat out Freeman in a QB competition? For a spot on the track team sure, but for a starting QB position? That’s insane. Johnson has incredible physical tools, but he’s in no way a completed product, or a reliable one at that.
Josh Johnson is an athlete - not a QB
saw him do next to nothing (except panic and run) in his games. Good riddance.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
josh johnson is better than freeman.
did olson and raheem play a part in freeman constantly throwing into triple courage??why with the one game that josh played, did wr mike williams look like his rookie year? freeman tell us all time how confident he is and people translate that into he’s good, plus he had one good season right, that makes him good right., no ! josh johnson starting qp for tampa bay bucs !
Please use the reply button, and capitals
Also, it’s not QuarterPack.
Josh Johnson is a free agent, by the way.
You forgot to mention
Josh Johnson is very inaccurate! He looks to run instead of making the right throws. I could not see him engineering as many fourth quarter comebacks as Freeman has done. Josh Johnson is and will be a career backup. A good one but thats all he will be.
Clearly george1702 is playing "opposite day" today...
and if you read it, and do the exact opposite, you will then truly be on to something.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
The only thing Raheem ever got right
Josh Johnson is a career back-up
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 31, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
That's definitely crazy talk
Josh Johnson started a few games Freeman’s rookie year. How did that turn out? Oh yeah, that’s right….he couldn’t beat out Fat Byron Leftwich in training camp and the preseason, and he did so poorly during the games he ended up starting that he was yanked for a rookie QB that even the Bucs didn’t think was ready to play.
The only team Josh Johnson would be a legitimate starter for is Seattle, and that’s because their QB is basically the same person as Johnson.
And you say Freeman only had one good season….Josh Johnson had MAYBE one good game. Season > Game.
JOSH OVER FREEMAN
1. if freeman ran more, like on those 3 and 2, instead of trying to pass it to k2, who is triple covered. we would’ ve won more game. plus, you would run to if the offensive line (trueblood) is playing for the other team.
2.inaccurate, how, does inaccurate mean throwing to your player on a dime? because josh demonstrated that during the carolina game consistently. oh…it does, i see, it is opposite day.
3. listen brother’s in the tampa bay bucs fan family. all i’m saying is that, josh looked a LOT better as a nfl qp ( just joking ,thanks for the correction) qb in the system that we sad was horrible. remember in the being of the year, Olson wasn’t completely happy with Freeman quaterback play during practice. remember the annoucers during the game, how they spoke of josh. Josh wants to be a starting qb and he’s willing to work for it. i hope free is. you can’t continue to make the same mistakes CONSTANTANTLY and say your fine. Josh doesn’t, he learns and he grows. hopefully with us. GO BUCS

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