Will Character Actually Matter This Time?
by Sander on Jan 29, 2012 11:39 AM EST
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Greg Schiano always tried to do the right thing at Rutgers. His pupils consistently did well academically. There were never any rumors of NCAA violations. And when Eric Legrand of Rutgers injured his spine and was paralyzed, Greg Schiano did the right thing and handled the situation perfectly. But will this translate to the NFL, and what does this mean for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' players?
'Character' was important to the team in previous years, too. Or at least, that's what they said. But was that just lip service? Judging by the results, it sure seems like it. While they occasionally attached public consequences to players' missteps - such as cutting Jerramy Stevens after a drug arrest - the Bucs also protected the players in the building, and added players with question marks on their resume.
When Aqib Talib was arrested this offseason, the Bucs could have made a strong statement by releasing or trading him. Instead they opted to stick with Talib - protecting him as a member of the family, and sending the message that he was too good to be released.
The Bucs have added questionable characters to their team in previous years, too. Mike Williams was drafted in the fourth round after a tumultuous and problematic college career. Legarrette Blount had a much-publicized incident involving him punching someone after the game, but he was ultimately a Buccaneer too. And when Tanard Jackson returned from his second drug suspension, he was given a contract extension immediately. Character matters? That's not necessarily the message the Bucs sent.
Will this change under Schiano, though, or is this just talk? We should see this fairly quickly - when the Bucs decide what they will do with Aqib Talib. If character matters, if buying in to the system matters, Aqib Talib is most likely gone. If on-field play once again trumps character, Aqib Talib will stay - unless he's actually convicted of a felony.
Ultimately, I don't care. Character is nice, but you need good players too - and sometimes those good players don't have the greatest character. What matters is how the locker room handles that. The right team can handle a bad character in the locker room. One without leadership, without the right guys, cannot.
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Seems the media does not like Talib
Yes he has some past issues, but it seems to me that the media has it out for him. With a new coach I believe all players should have a fresh start. How is he going to punish someone for something they may or may not have done before Shiano was here?
It should depend on the outcome of the legal issue...
if he IS NOT found guilty – should be back to business as usual. Talib does need to realize how easy it is to throw it all away.
If he IS found guilty – then send him packing.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I say he has a sit down with him
and tell him how its going to be, and if / when he crosses the line let him go
We still need to prepare as if Talib will not be back...
and find 2 suitable CBs to start for us. No one currently on our roster is of starting quality.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I still want to blame coaching also
Look at what happened to the Giants early in the season, they managed to get through all those injuries in the secondary
The NYG have a wicked pass rush...
and their DL is clearly their strength. LBs are better than ours too.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
good point
Plus their D as a whole can takle. I think that was by far the biggest problem we had on D
Maybe linebackers are not the problem!
Coaching and getting the best out of what you have can make a great difference. LBs better than ours because of coaching! Also cutting back on two a days hurting some young teams. They should have kept two adays for the whole season at coaches discretion. Bad tackles and fundamentals sprang from that decision with the Players Union.
Charles A Peck
by charles.peck1 on Jan 29, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
^^^^^ agree with 37 champs
Everyone starts from scratch with new coach and is held accountable. Expectations are set up front, and if you cross line with new coach, you suffer consequences.
by gmaz1 on Jan 29, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It isn't just the media whipping up the flames
Past issues? Don’t think so. It’s a temperament problem and one that Morris had no idea how to handle other than look the other way. If Talib wants to be humble team player, which I can’t imagine will ever happen, maybe Schiano can get him to be a top notch corner every game. Like Sander said, it’s more than just about Talib now, it’s a message to the entire team about the new state of respect and discipline that he will demand.
So if Talib stays, he can’t send that same message?
I have to agree with 37, have the sit down. Hell, have the sit down with the whole team. Tell him how it is going to be if he doesn’t like he can hit the road. I just don’t think he needs to come in and just dump him because the media is calling for it. If thats the case wouldn’t he be sending the message of being a “yes man”
How would he be doing it just because that's what 'the media' is calling for?
You think he can’t do that for his own reasons?
I think he would make a bigger statement
by getting to know him on a personal level before just going in with his guns drawn
No doubt Schiano is smart enough to realize
Talib does have talent. He seems like the kind of coach that will try to bring out Talib’s best while making sure he understands that in such a young locker room Talib will naturally be looked up to so he needs to set a good role model both on and off the field.
He will ultimately do what he wants
I am tired of every “media” outlet saying that he should cut him to make a point. One media person says it so they all do? Can we not come up with original thoughts? How about one person may say how or what he can do to help a troubled but very talented person.
He is a family man after all
You don’t give up on your family members after they embarrass you.
That's a different kind of love I think
I think you can push that team as family thing too far to the point of lack of objectivity. Morris did.
So you try to help him
The way Raheem couldn’t. If they don’t see eye to eye after that, then let him go.
Look I realize this is a violent sport and men will get angry
But it isn’t sandlot football either. These are supposed to be professionals who understand how to play within the rules of both the game and personal conduct on and off the field. I like Talib as a player and want him to succeed on our team. But, when you factor in his history of anger issues erupting it’s hard to see how Schiano will be able to fit this square peg into a round hole.
Screw the media
A man of real character does the right thing and doesn’t necessarily care what the media thinks. The right thing is giving everyone a fresh start. I’m not saying not to take any of the past into consideration because you have to. Bit you don’t let someone go til they cross your lube after an expectation with you has been set. Taliban will likely be on shorter leash but I think Schianno gives him a shot bu has a backup plan in case Talib does not conform
by gmaz1 on Jan 29, 2012 4:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
People seem to think we can get a 1st round pick
I seriously doubt that though i’m guessing he would most likely only grab us a 4th round pick like Santonio Holmes when the Steelers shipped him out l, since we would open about not wanting Talib anymore we would have no lelverage in negotiations
by ShiftyShayne on Jan 29, 2012 12:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If he is found guilty - his value plunges
he will have an Adam “PacMan” Jones stigma attached to him then.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
The only team I could see giving up a 1st would be the Raiders
they usally do some shady trades/draft picks but really dont see getting a 1st or 2nd. Good point about having any kind of leverage
They may not be that stupid anymore...
remember, Al Davis is not running the team anymore.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
A team like needs a proven CB would take him
I think we could get a 3rd or 4th if you look at Talib’s age & stats. If NE can give up a 2011 5th rd pick for a unmotivated 30yr old Haynesworth and a 2012 5th & 6th for a 34yr old Ochiocinco. Then look at the Jets who gave up a 2010 5th rd for Holmes who only had 2 good years & one pro bowl in Pittsburgh, we could pull it off.
by InfamousHp on Jan 29, 2012 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Typo in the title
Title should say “A team that needs a proven CB would take him”
by InfamousHp on Jan 29, 2012 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My guess is
the jets make a move for him fot him if we have to let him go.
by ShiftyShayne on Jan 29, 2012 12:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Coach Shiano needs to call a team meeting and draw a line in the sand...
Everyone must know and understand that the BS will not be tolerated. When/If the line is crossed there must be dire consequences for Everyone; “Stars” included. One thing I didnt like about Raheem was his tendancy to show favortism; He’d chestbump/embrace a pistol whipping wanna be thug (remember the Raven game 2010 when Talib apparently threatened Officials and had to be restrained). Then turn around and Kick Brian Price out of the Facilities for an on field scermish. IMO one of the carnal sins of a HC is showing blatant favortism; that’s how you lose a locker room.
The official should have never called him out. Talib should of had more control. I don’t remember exactly what the official said but he was out of line and was not punished for it either.
If some one was beating my sister he would be lucky if I only pistol whipped him.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it's a duck...
I agreed, with him defending his family but IMO he could have handled that better; especially with his history. I love Talib as a player but you cant trust this guy to make the right decision. His sister wasnt on the practice field when he Hit a teammate with his helmet, She also wasnt in the car when he Punched the Taxi driver, going after officials, etc. Bottom line, Talib lacks 2 of the 3 core beleifs Coach Shiano stressed, He cant be TRUSTED to make the right desicions on or off the field, and he lacks ACCOUNTABILITY. At this point Shiano should wipe the slate clean for everyone but in Talibs case as well as a few more Boneheads on this team the first time they screw up from this point on they should be sent packing immediately.
So you would take the law into your own hands and commit a violent felony?
You do realize you would be arrested you would go to court, your employer would probably fire you, you would have a criminal record and would very likely have a hard time getting a new job. Why should it be any different for Talib
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 29, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
It likely won't be different...
but then again, because of his talent, somebody will take a chance on him.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
If you are an average joe, your life would basically be over, where as a football player can get re-hired with no problem
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 29, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's 1 thing that's very wrong with the NFL...
Talent seems to Trump Character 90% of the time. We simply dont have enough Veteran leadership in our locker room/ coaching staff to let guys like this hang around; hopefully Shiano can change that. If Talib and others buy in and want to be apart of someting special by all means keep them on the team; if they cant stay out of trouble/keep their nose clean get’em outta here on the first thing smokin.
^^^ agreed
I hope shiano can get these guys to play disciplined football, because what I witnessed last year made me sick. Some of our players are goons and bafoons.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 29, 2012 7:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Talib
Just get rid of the guy for whatever you can get for him. He has proven time and again that he cannot do the right thing. He is nothing but a cancer. I would rather we suck than have people like him on the team. I think he is a good player but he is not good for the team as a whole. Maybe if he was released the rest of the young guys may just see that this new regime means business about trust/accountability.
Why Schiano will be better than Morris...
…..let’s face it Raheem Morris was a really “nice” guy. He’d been here for almost a decade. He knew everybody and helped make the decision to draft half of the defense. Rose colored glasses often form for such guys. And friendship was way to big a part of his head coaching style. It’s like parents who try to be their kids friends rather than just love them but be their parents. There’s no way to discipline your friend. So with Schiano there will be a different formula. “I tell you what you’re going to do and then you do it” not “hey would you try this for me”. I live close to Gainesville and when Jenoras Jenkins got caught with pot (3rd offense) right after Will Muschamp took over all these gator fans didn’t think they would cut him. But they did. It’s a new era in Florida and we’re starting one in Tampa. Everybody should start clean because this guys coaching style could turn a lot of these players careers around…..but when those mistakes are made after you already knew how things were gonna be then you should be gone. I’m an Alabama fan and I can’t tell you how nice it is to know that my team (Nick Saban) won’t put up with anything. Nothing. You screw up and you’re gone. That’s what I’m looking forward to in Tampa.
by TheDarkLord on Jan 29, 2012 3:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Kirkpatrick just pulled a janoris
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 29, 2012 5:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
We need talib, without a doubt.
But, he should be on a very short leash. He screws up and he’s out of here!!!
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 29, 2012 7:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
since getting a 1st or 2nd is improbable w/ the trial coming. If he’s acquitted we should give him a shot and if he continues to lose focus w/ football, trade him before week 7.
If we draft claiborne and keep talib were set.
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 29, 2012 11:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
True... big IF though. Up in the air.
I believe the Draft happens before we have an outcome of Talibs situation, so preparing for the worst case scenario (we lose him for an extended period) just seems smarter.
Draft one CB and sign one CB says I…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Talib could be innocent though guys...
I remember when that story broke. The initial report was that his mom fired the gun. Then it changed to both of them, and finally now he’s on the hook all by himself for it. What if he’s willing to take a bullet (no pun intended) just to protect his momma?! I mean guys have done worse things to protect their momma.
by TheDarkLord on Jan 29, 2012 3:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What about the other incedents. Fool me once shame on you; Fool me twice shame on me...
After you just came off a suspention for beating the crap out of a Taxi driver he shoulda known better. Tell your sister to call the cops; you’re on the way. That’s what they get paid for; let them handle it. Bottom line, with his track record he wont get the benefit of being innocent until proven guilty; he’s gonna automatically be considered Guilty until proven innocent. At the end of the day you Gotta use your head man; he shoould literally run the opposite direction at any sign of trouble because he has ruined his name/rep. My mom use to say “make your bed hard; you gotta sleep in it”. It is what it is
Here's The Thing
Schiano knowing that we are needle thread thin in the secondary won’t cut Talib for the mere fact the rest of the secondary sucks unless he’s obviously convicted with jail time. If they just give him probation then he’s probably still going to remain with the team. Schiano is going to have a tough road ahead of him regardless who is on or not on the team. We lack VETERAN LEADERSHIP all along both sides of the ball. Ronde was the last of the 2002 Superbowl team and he’s probably going to retire. The rest of this team is a bunch of young guys on the field with no coaching discipline. Most of our teams first coach was Raheem Morris and you seen that train wreck. Hopefully Schiano will put boots to asses and steer this team in the right direction along with it’s troubled players.
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Talib and Tanard i agree with on character.
Mike Williams and LGB are circumstantial. Both have been upstanding citizens and great OFF the field. Williams had a few issues with academics and curfews(Not a thug). LGB plays very emotional and gets a little heated on the field (also not a thug). Both are great people tho.
Talib can’t control his anger on or off the field.
Tanard couldn’t put down the pipe for his team (originally).
Please don’t put Williams in LGB in that category of “bad” Character.
While I'm not saying he is
LaGarrett may be slightly thuggish. There was the report of him and a group beating up a guy after a game, though no real charges were filed, and LaGarrett supposedly just egged him on. Williams is a good guy. Blount may be, but he has a lot more reason to be worried than Williams does.
by Bucsfan123 on Jan 29, 2012 4:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I Agree
But even tanard jackson isnt a bad guy , i know almost all the athletes from orlando down & more then half smoke , One of em rush for 2000 yards a year ago i mean they gotta stop but you just gotta show them whats more important .
In as far as talib besides the tax cab incident he was doing ok .
Ask yourselves would yall let somebody put they hands on your sister & talk shit to your mother .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 29, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
What I wouldn't do is grab a gun and go after him...
that is immature, reactionary and just plain stupid.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Which sums up talib to a "T"....
The kid has a wonderful gift of athleticism, that the rest of us would give our right nut to have. I dont understand why someone would throw that away. He must be stupid is the answer….
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 29, 2012 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You got it chief
He must be one arrogant dumb SOB. I’d give my left nut to be in his position. I burn because writing doesn’t pay, and budweiser burned my family business by selling out to foreigners and cut 250k annually from me. Does he have any reason to be a jacktard? nope.
Tanard isn't a bad guy either
it’s not like he was in stripe clubs doing lines all night he just likes his bud. I’ll always find it funny he’ll get labeled a bad character over that while guys who get busted ruining the game with PED like brain cushing are just a little misguided
by ShiftyShayne on Jan 29, 2012 4:40 PM EST via Android app reply actions
He is a bad teammate for letting his team down...
Selfish individual. Cares more about the pot then his teammates…
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 29, 2012 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And then he picks off Brees to get our team the win...
Everything was looking good. Then CHI literally stole our soul, mortal kombat shang-sung style. wtf happened in week7?
Yep, it was like they didnt care anymore.
So much for playing for your coach, fans and pride.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 29, 2012 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im Behind Aquib Talib 100%
I want him here .
I believe under coach schiano he would see brighter days as a player & a man .
I will bet that he will jump to the top five cornerbacks under coach schiano principles .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 29, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions
I hope so, I want Talib around but not if he's hurting the team wit the BS.
What’s gonna happen the next time somebody pisses him off in a game or on the streets; that’ll be the tru test. Simply put, IMO Talib is big on talent/potentail; and very short on character. I think Mike Singletary said it best, “Cant play wit’em, Cant win wit’em, Cant do it, Wont do it”. Talib better get his S**t together fast; It’ll take the rest of his career/years to repair the damage he’s done to his rep.
Yeah if he shoots all the others
Talib could be great but I hate how if he gets burnt its always somebody else’s fault..if he makes a play then he acts like the greatest ever..if Schiano can get these players accountable like they should be we will see BIG changes with our team just from them being accountable
by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Jan 29, 2012 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know why Everybody is rehashing the PAST?
With a new coaching staff across the board, past incidences with the other regime should be forgotten. For Tjack, LGB. Not really Talib though since his actions are going to impact us. For his christ’s sake, let Schiano draw the line and whoever violates team policy get the reprimand. You can’t discipline ppl for something they did a year ago, and you were at Rutgers. Raheem failed to really discipline his guys, but I think it starts now. We will no longer be a bunch of wild hobo’s terrorizing around. I doubt this new guy will let this happen. He’s obviously more concerned about working toward the future, as a team, as he’s been waiting for his chance to break on through. He’s been wating and I highly doubt he will let any player blemish his chances. If the players want to ruin their opportunities, thats on them.
I agree schiano cutting talib for his past is dumb
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 29, 2012 7:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah I mean firing Olsen and Raheem for doing crappy this year was a bad idea. It's in the past. They should have had another chance...(sarcasm!)
by flash_kiley on Jan 29, 2012 7:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I know right, I couldn't get enough of that QB sneak every red zone attempt (sarcasm)
Has anybody compiled a list of possible free agents? I’ve seen a few interesting ones, think I might write up a list
Good idea!!!!
Just as long as we dont discuss the draft and trent richardson… Tired of the same ol, same ol.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 29, 2012 8:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have a few
Ray Rice
Desean Jackson
Vincent Jackson
Dwayne Bowe
Jermicheal Finley
Ben Grubbs
Carl Nicks
D’qwell Jackson
David Hawthorne
Cortland Finnegan
Brent Grimes
Tracy Porter
Carlos Rogers
Micheal Griffin
LaRon Landry
by flash_kiley on Jan 29, 2012 8:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I like finnelly, grimes, the two jacksons and bowe.
Probably asking for to much. But I want these guys. Talk about instant upgrade. Geez….
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 29, 2012 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would love to get
Nicks, Finley, D-Jackson, D’qwell Jackson, Porter, and Landry. All seem possible to get and would be huge upgrades at their respective positions.
by flash_kiley on Jan 29, 2012 9:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree with Vincent Jackson and Bowe
But Grimes has questions about his dedication to the game, with it looking like he may be one of those players to take a big payday and collapse a la Haynesworth. DeSean I like but I’m not sure Reid will let him out of Philly.
And Finely had some brick hands for most of the season. I can’t explain it since he’s one of the better young TEs, but he just had so many drops I’m not sold that he’d be an upgrade for the Bucs, especially not with his probable price tag. I’ll stick with Stocker, and hopefully K2 will remember how to play lol. If not I’m sure there’s a reliable 2nd option TE that will be available somewhere.
There is a beast TE names Fleener...
of Stanford, but we would have to use a fairly early pick on him (3rd?) so I don’t know about that. We have SO many holes to fill.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 30, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
i like.
D’qwell Jackson
Vincent Jackson
Carlos Rogers
LaRon Landry
With Ray Rice being a fantasy option.
I have a couple...
Brandon Carr – (CB) K.C. – he’s the real deal; a big young “shut down” caliber corner. We should make this kid an offer he cant refuse. IMO he’s the next big thing at the Corner position.
Dan Conner- (MLB) Carolina – he subbed for Jon Beason and played really really well; he’ll command starter Money. I loved him coming out of Penn STa few years ago and would love to have him now. We could start him in the middle and move Mason Foster outside.
Ben Grubbs – (G) Baltimore – just gotta love a big nasty lineman named “Grubbs”…DJoseph and BGrubbs would open up some nice running lanes for our “Physical Running Attack”.
I my mind these a realistic targets and instant upgrades…I’d also throw the Jacksons on my list but I dont think either one of those guys will leave their current teams.
I think D Jack will leave the Eagles.
They can’t afford to pay him top dollar, and he is disgruntled with not getting a contract yet.
by flash_kiley on Jan 29, 2012 10:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Any of those guys would be nice..
Rogers, D’qwell, Bowe, Jackson’s, Grubbs, Nicks, Finley
Too bad that ain’t no good centers in FA.
Peter Konz is a projected 1st round Center. At 6’5" at 315lb, he’s got 30 pounds on Faine.
Zuttah could be a more than serviceable center.
by flash_kiley on Jan 29, 2012 9:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think if Zuttah had a chance to have.
an entire off-season to at Center he would be more then just serviceable. He blocks better and pushes harder on run plays than Faine.
As much as I hate trading away your picks...
moving up a little to grab Peter Konz would be an excellent move. Hopefully he will slide to us in Round 2.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
I would love to get finley.
He is not as good as the pats and 9ers TE, but third best works for me.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 29, 2012 10:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Finley had some very glaring drops this year
I’m not certain how much of an upgrade over K2 he would be. He’s very physically talented, but the mental lapses involved in numerous drops worries me. I’d rather keep Stocker and find a reliable #2 option somewhere on the market.
Get rid of Talib for being a brutal teammate.
And Haynesworth too.
What did haynesworth do?
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 29, 2012 11:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Haynesworth will be gone
due to us not wanting to pay the rest of that big contract he is owed, and his play hasn’t proved to obtain him.
We can always re-work his current deal...
as he knows getting cut again would likely end his career. I think with a full training camp and staying in a 4-3, he will be a valuable part of a strong DT rotation. He is still a beast down in there somewhere and can blow up a play whenever he wants to.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 30, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
If Haynesworth is willing to re-work his deal then there’s no reason not to keep him. What other DT options do we have in a rotation, John McCargo? I’d rather see Haynesworth in there with Miller, Price and GMC, especially with GMC’s propensity for ending up on IR.
Check Yahoo
95 Haynesworth, Albert RDT 6-6 350 30 10 Tennessee $1,500,000
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
Yes, in 2011
In 2012, his salary is $6,5M: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2636/albert-haynesworth
How It Works
He got claimed off of waivers so his 2011 salary from the start belongs to NE while we only pay him 1.5 this season, but next season we’re on the hook for his entire contract totally forgot about that part. If we just signed him out of FA then he would has just the base salary of 1.5 Million for next season if we decided to retain his services
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
I don't think you understand how contracts work
The Bucs claimed him off waivers, which included claiming his contract – the Patriots were off the hook from the point the Bucs claimed him onward. The Bucs paid him around $750,000 for half a season’s worth of work, because that’s what his contract said he’d get. And if the Bucs don’t cut him or rework his contract, they owe him what his contract says they owe him: $6.5M plus some extra bonuses.
Had they signed him in free agency they could have given him whatever contracted they wanted (and he agreed to sign), but that’s completely irrelevant here.
Unless we plan on drafting another DT...
we should make a play to keep him. If he likes it here, and the DC makes the commitment to stay 4-3, where does he have a better shot at playing time? You know either Price or McCoy will get hurt.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 30, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't keep him
He didn’t show anything special while he was here, and was a liability against the run. He’s done. I really don’t get your obsession with him.
... but I have this jersey
Plus we have no one better. No one. Still think the beast is down in there somewhere…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 30, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
I Said That Already
Read what I wrote carefully Sander I know how it works you basically said what I said in a different way
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
So prepare for Butch Davis as DC.
How does everyone feel about that?
by flash_kiley on Jan 30, 2012 12:46 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Is that a guess or something that you heard?
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 30, 2012 6:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Schiano will talk with every player on the roster, and
he will make a decision on whom to keep or let go. He stated that he wants guys like John Lynch, and Talib is far from Lynch when it comes to character. We can get a FA CB, and draft a CB or even two. Actually the draft is CB heavy this year, so our first two picks could be CB. Dom has drafted the same position back to back each year. We could go Claibourne and Dennard/Gilmore/Hosley.
Btw
Talib was drafted during the Gruden era, so him being cut wouldn’t fall on Dom. Plus his contract would be up next year, and they would jump on it if they can get a 6th round pick for him this year.
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- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
