Say goodbye to the West Coast Offense, Tampa Bay
Well, it's been a nice decade of West Coast Offense in Tampa Bay, but it looks like we're done now. No more dink-and-dunking down the field. No more Benn'd around, a receiver tackled for a loss, followed by a sack. No more quick slants, hitch routes and quick out routes. All of that is gone, if we can believe new Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano.
Instead, we will see physical offensive football and shots down the field. That's Schiano's offensive philosophy, and it's one we've heard before. That's basically what Jeff Jagodzinski said he would bring to Tampa. And then he got fired before coaching even one regular season game. Oops?
But Schiano does seem committed to this philosophy. He noted that it's hard to move down the field on long drives, the kind of thing the West Coast Offense is built around. Instead he wants to manufacture big plays - and that's something I saw in the few Rutgers games I've watched so far. The Rutgers offense tried to be aggressive down the field, although the actual results were mixed. This isn't just talk: he tried to do the same thing before.
The Bucs will have to change their personnel to fit this offense, however. Josh Freeman should have little trouble throwing down the field, as he has a cannon for an arm, but the Buccaneers do not have the personnel at wide receiver or tight end to consistently produce big plays.
Unless Arrelious Benn looks like a different receiver this season, which is possible considering he was coming off an ACL tear last season, the Bucs need to find a deep threat at wide receiver. The draft has a few undersized deep receivers, but no complete deep threat. In free agency, DeSean Jackson and Vincent Jackson could be legitimate deep threats.
More importantly perhaps, the Buccaneers will need to find the right coach to run this offense. While Schiano has worked with a number of coaches in his career, few of them have proven themselves at the NFL experience. Of the available coaches who have experience at the NFL level only Hue Jackson fits the profile of the kind of offense Schiano wants to build.
The Bucs will try to transform their offense, and they will have some building to do to get there. Will they be able to make the right moves this offseason?
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Benn/Williams + Blount/Richardson
Benn needs to come out of his shell and explode this year and Mike Williams need to man up and start earning Freeman’s trust again. If not, Preston Parker will probably be receive a lot more this year. We need to sign a key WR free agent, but as we all know, the Glaziers/Dominik have their head so far up their butts that this probably won’t happen.
I don’t think this offense will work with the Blount/Graham tandem. This is why I think they’ll draft Trent Richardson and convert Blount to a FB. Or at least how Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs are used in NY.
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by Bucs-RaysChick on Jan 28, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions
Our team is like swiss cheese...
there is something there, and its good, but still has all these holes.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 28, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Meant to say, obviously...
I’m just addressing the topic at hand.
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by Bucs-RaysChick on Jan 28, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
We just need real deep threat to spread the field.
Then Williams and Benn YAC will increase.
by bucswillwin on Jan 28, 2012 12:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
FB... Why?
Blount’s forte isnt short yardage situations or lead blocking… Erik Lorig is doing fine. Trent and Blount would make a highly dynamic duo that would be unlike any other 2 headed attack in the league due to the fact we would have 2 power physical runners in stead of one powerback and one speed back.
Who cares if Blount can't block?
Just let him do what he does best – run the ball. I am more concerned about how he carries the ball/fumbling than I am his blocking ability.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Because FBs aren't asked to carry the ball these days,
And that response was to a proposition that Blount be moved to FB, for a reason I can’t fathom myself lol.
That is a waste of a perfectly good beastly RB...
he just need a strong running mate for a solid 1-2 punch. Kinda like Alstott/Dunn were for us. Wreaked lots of havoc and would ease the pressure on Freeman too.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 30, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
We need to get past the three and outs!
It is important to get more help at RB. Richardson would be a better pick than adding Claiborn in the secondary. Keep the defense off the field. Free agency can help in the secondary. A back like Richardson doesn’t come along too often! Blount/Richardson to improve the rushing game and then Freeman will have a better chance downfield.
Charles A Peck
by charles.peck1 on Jan 29, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
DeSean and Vincent Jackson
are likely going to be staying where they are. The popular view here in San Diego is that they will re-sign VIncent Jackson and lots of people think that DeSean Jackson will be re-signed or tagged. Actually, the thinking is that Vincent will be tagged and then work out a long term deal during the season. That, along with the Bucs team building philosophy points to us getting neither of these WRs. I would be ecstatic if Justin Blackmon somehow ended up in our laps.
They won't tag DeSean
The whole problem he had was that he wanted a long term contract if they are stupid enough to tag him again he’ll lose his mind this season.
by ShiftyShayne on Jan 28, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
HECK YEAH, I'm already behind THIS guy!!!
Throw deep, pin them safeties, and pound the rock. Vice verse. BTW, thats Mike Vicks’ formula for success.
Its about time!
IF Richardson is available AND Tampa drafts him, the running game is set, IF the Glazers will get one of the Jacksons in FA, Freeman can show what hes got. The d/line will mature and help the D/backfield. It could be an interesting year!!!!
If Kendall Wright is available in the second round,
I could see the Bucs picking him up there. We’ll get Claiborne in the first to help solidify Schiano’s defense. Pick up a safety like Michael Griffin, Tyvon Branch or LaRon Landry; and a linebacker like Curtis Lofton, David Hawthorne or D’Qwell Jackson in free agency. Just getting those four positions filled with good players would greatly improve our offense and defense. Also, we could get a RB like LaMichael James in the 3rd to further bolster our offense.
Oderint dum metuant
He won't be.
He is climbing high on everyone’s draft board.
I don’t know any other speedy WR in this draft
I’m not well informed.
by bucswillwin on Jan 28, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Wright is gone,
then we could hopefully get DeSean Jackson in free agency, and we could use our second on Lavonte David or Zach Brown if he somehow falls that far.
Oderint dum metuant
Really early for David
I’m hoping we catch a slipping first round talent in that spot. A really good player is going to be there, just imposdible to say who.
by aakks on Jan 28, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Joe Adams is another option that could be had a couple rounds later in the draft
and provide almost the same effect.
by flash_kiley on Jan 28, 2012 2:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Kendall Wright could end up getting picked in the top 15
he’s that good Any of those safeties and linebackers would be welcome additions but I doubt we get Wright in the second.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Bucs have to be aggressive this free agency
while we don’t have to break the bank, they need to shop for a deep-threat WR that would give Mike Williams and Relious Benn room to run routes. There’s also a need to improve the O-line for the pounding ground game they’ll need to implement, with regards to ROT and upgrading OG depth.
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
.Agree
We can argue all day about the talent at this position or that, but IMO what truly has broken our back time and again is our appalling lack of depth. We need to sign and sign smart; we need to bring in real competition for training camp; and we need some veteran leadership in our locker room to complement Free and Schiano (starters or otherwise).
Follow me @worldwidemaldo.
A big yes to competition
Too many guys have been gifted spots without earning them for too long.
by aakks on Jan 28, 2012 1:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Like Schiano said, competition makes the best players play their best.
And our best players did not play their best last season.
Oderint dum metuant
Yep. I loved hearing that from him
but it isn’t going to happen without bringing in some fresh faces.
by aakks on Jan 28, 2012 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i actually think
His salesmanship will attract free agents and convice the glazers to pony up
by gusjackson on Jan 28, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What does everyone think about Vontaze Burfict?
He’s an incredible, and in my opinion, underrated player.
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by Bucs-RaysChick on Jan 28, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions
He isn't underrated.
This guys talent is off the charts, but he has some serious issues. He is not the type of guy that Schiano wants his team associated with.
Oderint dum metuant
OL
We need to get rid of Faine and Trueblood….that would help the offense out immensely.
Disagree (to an extent)
They could stand to play better — and we could use increased depth behind them — but I’d like to see Free get rid of the ball quicker. That’ll depend on the play calling, options, and ultimately whether or not he has the capacity to make those quick reads. I just can’t put all the blame on the OL. But depth behind those two is key, and I’d especially like to see someone in camp push Trueblood at RT.
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my awesome first 4 rds lol
Claiborne Zach brown james then trade Winslow for a 4th then draft Te from Georgia or mizzu
by blountforce72 on Jan 28, 2012 2:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We just drafted a tight end in the 4th round last year.
Are we completely giving up on him?
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
I wont say giving up on him, but we drafted him because he did everything good, but nothing great.
If there is an athletic TE in the fifth we should get one.
by flash_kiley on Jan 28, 2012 2:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
no
I was stoked when we drafted luke I think we need another good Te Winslow was good but he has dropped off and he wants the ball all the time ball hog not a team player..I like the kid from mizzu he’s compared to grahm Te for saints
by blountforce72 on Jan 28, 2012 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
One position we need to hit on this offseason is LG.
Be it Grubbs or Nicks in FA, or Cordy Glenn from UGA. His game mimics Davin Joseph. Big, strong, great run blocker. Okay pass blocker. If we are gonna have a physical run game we need a physical Oline.
by flash_kiley on Jan 28, 2012 2:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree 100%
with the Physical Running game must be accompanied by a Physical O-line comment. Dump Faine, move Zuttah to Center and find a Beast to play LG in FA. If we could throw enough money at a Big-time WR and a LG our Offense would be set for a while. Outside of finding an eventual replacment for Winslow; that could ofcourse be Luke Stoker but I have seen enough of him to convince me that he could be a starter at this point
Is "wa-la" referring to the french word "viola"?
by flash_kiley on Jan 28, 2012 4:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No, not a viola
A viola is a musical instrument. Voila is the French word and its pronounced vwala; the v isnt silent like in German. Dont know why it keeps getting the wala treatment. Sorry folks, ex-French minor here. Also love football.
I wish we could get a 4th round pick for Winslow.
We could’nt give that guy away. His attitude, knees, and inability to run block makes him almost impossible to trade. IMO, he’s all but done; he also signed a pretty big contract which would further complicate any potential trade. We’re flat out stuck with him. Other than that, I’d be overwhelmed with joy if we managed to get Claiborne, Brown, and James with our first 3 picks.
Thank God...
Freeman was never a West Coast QB to begin with. He’s a Big strong armed playaction QB that’s at his best when paired with a strong Running game. All we need is that one WR that can get down the field and make plays; this would open things up for everyone (Blount, Williams, Winslow, etc). Im literally praying we can sign Vincent Jackson. If we signed V. Jackson that would more than likely force Benn to the Slot, but that could actually be a good thing for our offense because of his strength/speed & versatility; also, matching Benn up against teams 3rd/4th best CB, LB’s and Safety’s could be a nice wrinkle to the offense.
would rather have DJax then VJax
Vincent Jackson seems to overvalue himself(even though the chargers owner is one of the dumbest people in the NFL right now IMO) asking for a bunch of money and then holding out for so long when he could have taken the tag and kept playing on his super-bowl caliber team seems a bit too diva like for me, plus doesn’t he have multiple DUI’s? i could be thinking of someone else.
by ShiftyShayne on Jan 28, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
i think benn can have that breakout year if he stays healthy.
freemans got to start taking more shots down field though
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Cards blocked McNulty from becoming Bucs OC.
Freaking sucks…
by flash_kiley on Jan 28, 2012 5:41 PM EST via Android app reply actions
First step in building the great offense he wants
Is by drafting richardson
by keysersoze19 on Jan 28, 2012 9:09 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Most
Hard nose tough guys are, that why we should drafted richardson
by keysersoze19 on Jan 28, 2012 10:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
When you look at team needs, our needs at Secondary - CB, S - trump that of the offense. End of discussion.
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
Our LBs, CB and S positions all have similar levels of suck...
Can’t draft ’em all, so the F/A market becomes necessary to improve.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
"IF" we were hell bent on taking a Back in the 1st round take Lamar Miller not Trent Richardson...
Remember Edgeren James and Ricky Williams? This feels similar to me. It’ll be interesting to see what Miller does at the Combine. It may not be a bad idea if we really really wanted to take a RB in the 1st round to consider this kid from Miami; Miller is a good freaking back in his own right. Also, he’s from “the U”; good backs from Miami usually turn out to be great NFL Backs. Miller is slightly lighter than Richarson but faster; he’s versatile, has good vision, good balance, runs hard, and he has great moves inside and outside. Picture this scenario, we trade back in the first round once or even twice, gather extra pick(s) possibly in 2nd, 3rd or 4th round, etc, draft a game breaking back to pair with Blount later in the 1st, use additional picks aquired to address CB, LB, TE, & OL in rounds 2 thru 5. IMO that scenario works more into our favor, is less of a gamble, and just makes more business sense than just taking Richardson 5th overall.
The problem with that scenario
Is that it probably won’t be possible for us to trade back. There’s not really any talent outside of RG3 that people are going to want to trade up for, and if someone trades up for him then they’ll have to try and trade into the #2 or #3 spot since the Browns will be likely to take him with their own pick if he drops to #4.
Who else is someone going to trade way up to the #5 to pick? Claiborne? You can trade into the lower top 10 and still get Kirkpatrick. Richardson? Most teams don’t like to take RBs that high.
I’d rather see us take Claiborne or Blackmon with the #5 pick, take the best available with our 2nd rounder, and trade back into the mid- or late-2nd round to take LMJ rather than risking him being gone by our 3rd round pick. He and LGB together will be a dynamic pair in the backfield.
Good point. I wouldnt be mad if your scenario played out. I personally just dont want to take Richadson at the 5th spot; tooo risky...
if we do in fact we stay put and pick at 5, I prefer Claiborne. Or, Blackmon if Claiborne is of the board. However, IF Claiborne, Blackmon, and Kalil are all gone then what?
If Claiborne, Blackmon and Kalil are all gone
That means no one has traded up for RG3 yet, and we’d have a good shot at being able to trade back lol.
5th overall is too high for a RB in today’s NFL. Most teams have changed to a RB by committee because the game is brutal enough that it’s hard to keep even a great RB healthy throughout the entire season.
IF Blackmon, Claiborne and Kalil are all gone at #5 AND we’re not able to trade back….I wouldn’t be terribly angry if we took Riley Reiff. He can be an immediate starter at RT, and give us a legitimate option to replace Penn at some point in the future. He’s expected to be a top 10 pick, so 5th overall is only a little bit of a reach. I still think this is a very unlikely scenario though, as one of those 3 players mentioned will be available, or we’ll be able to trade back. I just don’t want us taking a RB 5th overall.
To me, the 5th overall pick seems too high for a RT...
that high of a pick had better be a “franchise” something, or you have missed the mark. It is all about team need, as every player taken in the top 5 should be awesome. Just depends on your needs. We need a CB, and a RB most, with LB, OL and S being other needs.
Take the best player that is a CB or RB, unless you find a willing trading partner that makes it worth your while to move down. There is no LB, RT or S worth the 5th overall selection in my opinion.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Also WR (my bad)...
but Blackmon is too much like Williams to go Pick 5 on him. All of our current WRs are very similar, in my opinion.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 30, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
The scenario I posted
Was based entirely on the top CB, WR and LT having already been taken, and I don’t believe any RB should have a top 5 pick spent on them in today’s NFL, not when we already have a legit RB on the roster.
And Reiff has the ability to move to LT once he’s developed a little bit and we decide to jettison Penn, but until then he would lock down our RT position.
I like the OT thought, and I hoped for Gabe Carimi last year...
but that was before ALL of our holes were exposed during 2011. Now we need SO much you hardly know where to begin.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 30, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
It Isn't Hard To Talk
Every coach I’ve ever heard talk for the first time when being introduced after being hired has sounded like a world beater. It means nothing. I still think this is going to be a disaster, the worst possible choice the Bucs could have made.
Hope you're wrong
But I was listening to a journalist who has been reporting on Rutgers for the past 11 years and he says Schiano’s weak point is gametime decision making. After all these years he still wasnt sure S. is that good at the actual coaching. I’m an optimist though and willing to give him a chance. A lot will also depend on the rest of the coaching staff and the players they can bring in.
Gametime decision making is basically the least relevant part of coaching
It’s easiest to critique because it’s the most visible part of coaching, but it’s only a small part of a coach’s job.
Maybe not as important as everything else combined...
but how many times has bad play calling or poor clock management played a role in the outcome of a game? Seems relevant, but we are talking hypothetical situations and what Schiano might/might not do.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 29, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
As I said, it's the most visible part of coaching
And it’s pretty easy to improve upon. But if that’s his biggest problem, I can live with that.

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