2012 NFL Mock Draft: Trent Richardson Again
by Sander on Jan 23, 2012 5:29 PM EST
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PrintIt's a new week, and that means there are some new mock drafts to evaluate. It seems Alabama running back Trent Richardson is becoming a popular pick for the Buccaneers, even over cornerback Morris Claiborne. I can see that happening, but I don't see that as a very good use of a draft pick. Running backs have a short lifespan, are relatively injury-prone, and it's fairly easy to get serviceable backs later in the draft. Especially when you already have Legarrette Blount, who is good enough to play a pretty big role in the offense, and while there are much bigger holes on the roster.
Regardless, that's what Ryan Van Bibber thinks the Bucs will do in his 2012 NFL Mock Draft:
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
LaGarrette Blount isn't a feature back; Richardson is. Blount still has a role to play, but Tampa joins the rest of the league in having a multifaceted ground game. The best running back in the draft would add another dimension to Tampa's offense, helping not only as runner but as another option for Josh Freeman in the passing game.
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by a mile too
and I think there are other players better than Richardson in the top of this draft as well.
Seriously, temper your expectations, man.
Look at Knowshon Moreno, CJ Spiller, Ryan Matthews, Daniel Thomas, and so on…. RB’s might pan out, but seldom do they resemble their college-aged-selves, especially not right away. Whether that’s due to injuries or crappy coordinators or inferior O-lines…
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
by Kilgore on Jan 24, 2012 6:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
our offensive line isnt inferior.
especially in the running game. if earnest graham can run for 100 yards its not that inferior.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
it really isnt.
we have a two probowlers, one terrible rt, one bust at center, and one lg thats average. thats not inferior. they definetly werent inferior in run blocking for sure.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
yeah, me too
…T Rich is the most talented guy in the draft. For TR’s sake, he should hope this mock draft is way off.
We need more than one stud CB, considering how weak that unit was last season
Getting one in the draft as well as getting one in free agency would go a long way.
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
I agree
He would be a killer weapon DC’S would need to account for. As well as insurance..There is NO depth at RB.. Might also be trade bait ..Could also push Blount to be even more productive in all facets of his game.
If Morris Claiborne is off the board...
I have no problem with TB taking Trent Richardson. That tandem of Richardson/Blount would be merciless with some OL upgrading. Control the clock, wear down defenses and take a lot of pressure off Freeman.
Just a different way to dominate.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 23, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right On !!!!!
Hard NOT to notice just how many of the current playoff teams have not one but 2 quality backs..If not for keeping them fresh but in case of injury….MY BIGGEST complaint besides the obvious lack of structure and discipline is NO QUALITY back up..
If Claiborne's gone I could see it
Rather trade back if Claiborne is gone, then take Richardson later. If he’s gone there some other great players.
If we could find a taker...
and move down 5 spots or so – Richardson could still conceivably still be sitting there. Nothing wrong with gatting another draft pick to make up for the one Dum Dom gave away.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 23, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah... that is the big "if"
Either way, we come away with an exception player in a position of need. I think Dom needs to do a better job of drafting than he has to this point. Several busts and a few more “iffy” players does not paint the same draft picture many of here got all excited about.
We still have a bunch of holes to fill – and we can no longer ignore the F/A market.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 23, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
A lot would depend on if a team like say the Jags (with no recievers) think of Blackmon as a must have. Clevland is also a team that might want to move up. If the land RG3, Then they could very well want a premier weapon for him. Some team could also fall in love with one of the tackles or Coples.
QUERY
We would’nt be DOWN 20 if we were the one’s 20 UP because they couldn’t stop our running attack. Might even help our defense being that much fresher and all..Just a thought!
Plus is hard for a team to ring up 20 points on you ,
If you control the ball and the clock. The best defense is a ball control offense .
No way, dude
This would be an AWESOME draft pick.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 23, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
He will need time, but he can throw.
Waste of 5th pick, when needs greater elsewhere.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 23, 2012 5:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nah, give me a stud RB @ #5
Only going to take some heat off of Freeman.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 23, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
He would, but needs on defense are of greater importance...
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 23, 2012 6:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
nope
Are offense is worse than our defense … No defense is going to be good when the offense is never on the field. We had to lead the leauge in three and outs lol haha I say this is a good pic
by mdbucsfan on Jan 23, 2012 7:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Our defense was the worst in Bucs history by points allowed
and 4th worst in the history of the NFL by that measure.
Just to put things in perspective.
REASON WHY ?
Injuries ,lack of depth and Youth…THEN,,,They can’t get off the field…And that led to depression of which the basic lack of leadership both on the field and coaching did not do enough to counter…
wow a whole DC buc fan-club
I’m down in Fairfax County (Vienna)
by CelticPride on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
How many picks picked in top 10 pan out?
How many backs in the NFL are later picks? Backs are replaceable parts these days.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Freeman needs to get his act together
We don’t need a RB@5 to make Freeman look good, he gets paid alot of cheeseburger to play pro football.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 23, 2012 6:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
We HAD a stud RB at 5th pick before
How long did Caddy really play for us? Considering the years he was out for torn ACLs in both knees because we pretty much ran him to death?
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
Then we let'em go when he shows signs of life again
Caddy & Blount complimented each other very well in ‘10, don’t know what happened with that.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 23, 2012 7:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
that was a great combo
they made a huge mistake by letting him go
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
just because williams got hurt doesnt mean tr will he is a playmaker who can catch out the backfield and pick up blitzes plus he makes plays can blount do ll of that
Use the subject lines, please
And punctuation and capitalization.
The point is that running backs get injured a lot more often than other positions.
Predicting injuries is impossible
and doesn’t really seem necessary to bring up when talking about a player that has never missed a game due to injury.
It's not about predicting injuries, it's about probabilities
It’s just more likely a running back gets injured than players at other positions.
I disagree with that too
The probability of players getting hurt at all positions has to be at least comparable. You hear more about running backs going down because they are more household names, and crush people’s fantasy teams when they do. But safties, backers, and lineman on both sides of the ball are just as likely to get injured. You just don’t hear about them as much.
Running backs go down more often because they take more hits than basically any other position
They also have much shorter careers. That’s not about how prominent those injuries are, just about how often they happen. It’s why teams have a three- or four-deep depth chart at running back
I agree, running backs do generally have shorter careers,
but I just don’t see what you are saying about them being more probable to be injured than other positions. Running backs do take hits, but no more than linebackers, and lineman on either side of the ball. For every team down to there 3rd string back, there is another with 4 2nd-string offensive lineman starting because of injuries, or another team with their nickle and dime dbs starting at corners, or like us having to bring in Haynesworth mid-season cause all of our d tackles are done.
I doubt there is one, but I guess I would just have to see some kind of stat or data to convince me cause the eyeball test is telling me something else.
and since this all started as a discussion on Trent Richardson, I will bring it back around. I hear what you are saying about rbs having shorter careers than most other positions, but the really special ones can have long careers. That might be premature, but he has all the attributes to be great. He has all the physical skills, (strength, speed, elusiveness, a quick burst, and vision) as well as the drive and motivation to be great. He has never been injured and always split time in college.
I know we have other needs, obviously a team that looses 10 strait to end the season will have many holes to fill. But he is a special player, and if rb was our best filled position I would still want to take him.
Also, if we are worried about injuries to our running backs, why take LaMichael James in the 3rd? I know it isn’t a 1st round pick, but the 3rd is still a big deal, especially in a year where you do not have a 4th. He worries much more for injury, being a small back with a few injuries from college already.
It's about return on investment, really
If you get a running back in the third round and he’s often injured, it’s not nearly as big of a deal as it is with a fifth overall pick.
But I do have some numbers: the number of players currently on IR for each position. If we divide those numbers by the number of starters in a usual NFL formation, I think we get a pretty decent picture:
RB: 33/1 = 33
WR: 37/2 = 19
TE: 18/2 = 9
OL: 46/5 = 9
DL: 44/4 = 11
LB: 47/3 = 16
DB: 74/4 = 18.5
QB: 10/1 = 10
Running backs stick out like a sore thumb on that list.
to me arguing about a mock draft is a big waste of time, until we have our new coach
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 23, 2012 5:55 PM EST reply actions
True. I feel like we've already gone over this 100 times already.
Our next coach has a giant impact on who we draft.
by Bucs on Jan 23, 2012 6:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there is nothing to argue about...
….every day on this blog…is the same thing…arguing about taking a RB early vs. taking someone many think is special (once a decade type player) Wash, rinse, repeat.
Agreed
We need to solve our HC dilemma first then we can worry about who we are drafting later, but remember FA comes before the draft, so we could possibly have Finnegan and Grimes as our new DB’s and draft Richardson and it’s win win for us, but right now our biggest issue should be filling our HC and his staff.
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
richardson isn't going in the top 15
So, If he is the #1 target over Claiborne then I’d say trade down and pick up some more picks and then nab him a little later…
Definitely the pick should be Claiborne!!
I like T-Rich, but honestly we have bigger holes and I believe VT’s David Wilson will be the best RB out of this draft. I’m a Hokie fan and trust me this guy has the IT factor.
by TerenceJ11 on Jan 23, 2012 6:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He has all the Talent
Just needs to make better decisions especially those running backward plays, but the NFL coaches could help with that.
by TerenceJ11 on Jan 23, 2012 6:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know u want LaMichael in the 3rd
by GoBuxGo on Jan 23, 2012 6:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I do
Either one would be fine with me!!
by TerenceJ11 on Jan 23, 2012 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you kidding. wilson is a bit faster. he is more or less a straightline rb. richardson is better than at least 80% of running backs in the league RIGHT NOW.
claiborne is the pick. shutdown cb vs good rb? easy choice. he is not as physically gifted as patrick peterson, but he is a elite talent in his own right. plus, he is very technical that is always zoned in to the play.
well..... what a suprise.....
lol! i really have a strong feeling we will get him so we should all just embrace this a s a good thing for us
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Nah, dont wont to embrace a mistake when needs are greater on defense.
Sorry bro….
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 23, 2012 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yea like we going to embrace a fifth pick on conerback who couldnt even make plays against a sophmore qb
Just stop
They did not throw to Claiborne’s side the entire game. He shut down an entire side of the field.
Dude got primetime treatment
Its not his fault what happens on the other side of the field.
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 24, 2012 1:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
it would be a bad thin
Which would prove Dom is just a puppet who looks at these mock drafts and thinks that’s a team needs. We Need to draft a cornerstone at CB and build a secondary around him. Talib in Jail, Ronde will be fishing, and we draft Natrone Means I mean Trent Ricardson? Bullocks!
by GoBuxGo on Jan 23, 2012 6:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
good pick
Bucs need veteran leadership on defense with free agency the majority of the D having 1-2 years experience. Blount is too one dimensional and predictable. Richardson is a major upgrade from any back we have. Bucs were actually doing ok when graham was healthy and keepin defenses guessing. Pick up CB and LB via FA who will add accountability to a unmotivated Defense. A healthy Gerald McCoy would also help tremendously.
by jacquando on Jan 23, 2012 6:54 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Chip Kelly backed out, Schottenheimer chose Jeff Fischer and the Rams. Once we get our head coach and come draft time we should use that 5th pick on Trent, he’s too good to pass up on and we all know Blount isn’t an every down back and can’t pass-block. Two-headed monsters are a must have in this league today, look at the Giants.
With our 4th pick in the 2nd we should draft former Florida Gator CB Janoris Jenkins. Had he not smoked pot he’d still be the No. 1 CB in this draft and was All-SEC and was a starter since his Freshman year. Claiborne has one-year under his belt. We could still get another CB via FA as well.
Claiborne started this year and last year
and played lights out both seasons. I’m growing on Richardson in sense because I do think he’l be great, but at the same time with a top five pick I just can’t get on board with a running back.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Id rather have a cb bcuz u can make a rb better with a good oline
by Shabazz916 on Jan 23, 2012 7:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So Let Me Get Something Straight
Instead of saying sign 2 DBs I.E Finnegan and Hall or Grimes and drafting Richardson who can play with Blount and we have a 2 back set you guys would draft Claibourne who is a hell of a talent don’t get me wrong and stick with just one DB since Talib heading to the Pen. I rather just draft Trent and call it a day and if we get extremely lucky and Blackmon is on the board at 5 then we should def. draft him over Trent
I Maybe Wrong But I Doubt It
It is hard enough to get one top tier FA here much less 2
and we need 3 corners if Talib goes to jail.
we dont have another year to wait and depend for a rookie on defense to help us.
we need veterans on defense. we have alot of invested pieces on defense. we need to understand that. we need to invest on offense and stop depending on undrafted running backs
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
You can't make decisions based on just next year
That kind of shortsightedness will kill you in the long run.
hold up.
look at the defense in 2010 mccoy and price. defense still sucked. 2011 clayborn and bowers. defense still sucked. 2012 can be the same way with claiborne…. see the pattern. yes in maybe 2014 this defense will gel together and be excellent. i see that in the future. next year is possible that the defense will still struggle as it has the past two years
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What kind of logic is this?
The Bucs have accumulated talent on defense. That talent has struggled (due to injuries or other reasons), and in some cases it has played well – but the rest of the defense wasn’t good enough. All of that has no bearing whatsoever on whether the Bucs should pick Claiborne or not.
If you’re making decisions based on who can make the biggest impact next year, you’re going about things the wrong way. You don’t build a team for next year. You build a team for the long haul.
what do you mean?
what other reasons do you mean? maybe the one of being a rookie. getting adapted to the nfl? yea you didnt mention that right? if you are being drafted at the top 5 your are expected to make a big impact on improving the defense so what are you even talking about?
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You draft the players who have the biggest *long-term* impact on the team
What a player can do immediately should be largely irrelevant.
You don't think Claiborne could come in and outplay EJ Biggers?
I think Claiborne would be an instant and lasting upgrade over Biggers. He would not relinquish that starting spot for quite some time.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 23, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
no i would agree with that.
but so could chase minnfield, or jenkins. if we just depend on claiborne without any other fa acqusitions at cb he will be better than biggers, but will he still struggle because hes a rookie? maybe. look at all the other rookies that have started on defense. most have struggled. and we cant afford to have games with him on like that if we are trying to win and he would be just learning as he goes…. very big risk on defense
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Yeah, the rookie will struggle... for a little while
EJ Biggers will struggle from here on out – permanently. We have seen what Biggers can do, and right now he is probably as good as he will ever be.
That is not good enough. Morris Claiborne, Chase Minnifield or Janoris Jenkins would each be an upgrade over Biggers, and a CB selection must be made. Unfortunately, we have far too many holes to think that one draft, even an amazing one, could fill ALL of our needs. Two great drafts back-to-back AND some F/A participation is required (and I don’t mean re-signing our “meh” players to oversized contracts). I mean new faces around here. Select young experienced starter upgrades is exactly what I mean.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 24, 2012 6:27 AM EST up reply actions
well Biggers shouldnt play on the outside at all. He is a nickle corner and would do good if we still ran the cover 2.
In Biggers defense we was asked to check number 1 receivers alot with no safety help. If Claiborne is chosen at number 5 he will be excpected to be an instant star on defense and improve us tremendously. Thats a lot of expectations for a rookie CB. But its what is being expected at 5th pick for this defense. A CB selection should be made in the draft without a doubt. I think this draft and F/A if done right can get us in the playoffs. Great RB and Good CB in the second and some good FA’s on defense and hopefully good coaching and we can bounce back.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
I agree - if you are already good like PIT, NE, etc.
We have specific holes to fill, so we must select the best available impact player in a position of need.
I see CBx2, LBx2, Sx2, RB, OT, OG, WR and maybe even a TE, in no particular order. The size of that list is why F/A participation is necessary.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 24, 2012 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
That gets you nowhere
It gets you to mediocre-ville. You want elite impact players regardless of position.
Even if it’s a position of strength, it puts you in a position to trade/dominate.
Also, AGAIN with the false dichotomies
It is not Richardson or undrafted backs. You can not draft Richardson and sign players in free agency or draft them a few rounds later. Why does it always have to be so unrealistically black and white with you?
Yeah Lamar Miller or LaMichael James
both fit the bill of a speedster with hands. Obviously James wouldn’t be an every down back but give him a year or two in a pro weight room and I bet he can put on significant muscle. Get that kid up to200 lbs and you got an absolute monster.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
the past two years we have used undrafted backs.
no false anything in what i said. you are just reaching. i dont even know what point you are even trying to make
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
My point is that the Bucs can invest in the position without drafting Richardson
A possibility you completely ignore.
and point is we keep banking on undrafted running backs and we need to stop it
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
no u keep saying we have to get richardson
like u cant draft RB in the 2nd round, look at the teams in the conference finals, not RB drafted in 1st round, let alone top 5 pick
If Montee Ball was coming out...
I would say wait until Round 2 or 3… but he’s not.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 23, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
and u keep saying get claiborne as if there arent cbs in the second round
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
This particular draft is CB heavy...
but the last time there was a CB-heavy draft, we ended up with Myron Lewis because we waited too long and all of the viable CBs were already gone by Round 3. Let’s not make THAT mistake again. Because Dom gave away our 4th Rounder, we MUST hit on the first 3. Out current team is filled with back-up quality players (hence 4-12) and we need starters. Good starters.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 24, 2012 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
I can't wait until the draft is over so that the Claiborne vs. Richardson banter will be over.
Oderint dum metuant
Nothing to say that I haven't said before
Can’t see us picking Richardson before Claiborne, not the worst choice but a waste of a top 5 pick, better off trading down if possible, etc.
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
What would be the better draft talent wise?
rd1 Richardson rd2 Jenkins
rd1 Claidorne rd2 Polk
It’s pretty ridiculous how people refer to AP and the diminished role of a Rb in the NFL. Richardson would at least have a QB in Freeman while Peterson was stuck with mcnabb. Huge difference. I recall a ton of checkdowns from Freeman that a solid back could of kept the chains moving. Bucs had huge third down problems and Richardson might swing some extra first downs our way while still having the potential for a game breaking play.
by jacquando on Jan 23, 2012 11:17 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Its Simple ...
We Picking Number 5
To Help Number 5
Trent Richardson Is The Best Pick For Us .
It Shows Your Loyalty To Your Franchise QB .
The Colts Always Drafted To Support Peyton Manning , Defense Was Always There Need .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 PM EST reply actions
Besides Its Plenty Of Corners In The Draft .....
CB: 1. Brandon Harris (Trade) Texans
2. Brent Grimes (Free Agent) Falcons
3. Ronde Barber (Free Agent) Buc’s
4. Elbert Mack (Free Agent) Buc’s
5. Morris Claiborne (Draft) Lsu
6. Dre Kirkpatrick (Draft) Alabama
7. Alfonzo Dennard (Draft) Nebraska
8. Janoris Jenkins (Draft) N.Alabama/Florida
9. Stephon Gilmore (Draft) S.Carolina
10. Chase Minnifield (Draft) Virgina
11. Jayron Hosley (Draft) Virgina Tech
12. Desmond Trufant (Draft) Washington
13. Casey Hayward (Draft) Vandy
14. Xavier Rhodes (Draft) Fsu
15. Sean Prater (Draft) Iowa
16. Cliff Harris (Draft) Oregon
17. Omar Bolden (Draft) Arizona
St 18. Dequan Menzie (Draft) Alabama
Comment: This Is The Biggest Need , We Could Go Several Routes Because It Is A Deep Draft For Corners ,
But I Think We Should Trade For Brandon Harris From The Houston Texans A Second Rd Pick Out Of
Miami Last Year That Didnt Get To Play This Year Because Of How Deep In Talented
Houston All Of Sudden Got In The Secondary .
Grimes Would Be A Nice Pick Up.
Another Thing I Want Barber & Mack Back Because ,Barber Can Still Play He
Makes Plays In The Slot , & As For Mack He Is The Best 5th String Cornerback
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
The Same Could Be Said For Rb To Doe .......
RB: 1. Matt Forte (Free Agent) Bears
2. Marshawn Lynch (Free Agent) Seahawks
3. Trent Richardson (Draft) Alabama
4. Lamar Miller (Draft) Miami
5. Chris Polk (Draft) Washington
Comment: We Need A Do It All Back To Pair With Blount ,
Idk If Forte Is Exempt From A Franchise Tag ,
But If Not Lynch Is A Good Option ,
As Well As The Three Draft Prospects .
If Chris Johnson Get Cut Because Of His Contract & Lack Of Production This Could
Shake Things Up .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
I am a hardcore Buccs/Alabama fan. And let me just say......
……we were the softest most pathetic team in the NFL those last 10 weeks! I was embarrassed to be a Buccs fan this year. And having to watch them on Sundays after I just watched my Crimson Tide crush somebody on Saturday…. It wasn’t easy. I think whether it’s on offense or defense we should try to get as many players from Alabama as we can. Saban has all his players totally NFL ready and they are very PHYSICAL. Doesnt matter if we’re talking offense or defense. Look at the last few years draftees….Julio Jones, Rolando McClain, Javier Arenas, Karim Jackson, Marcell Darius, Terrence Cody, and oh yeah Mark Ingram. These guys all bring the wood every sunday and their physicality is contagious. I think the more players we get from Alabama the better we’ll be in the long run. And to all you guys who think RBs are expendable, tell that to all the teams Adrian Peterson has embarrassed in his career. And yes Richardson is on that level.
by TheDarkLord on Jan 24, 2012 1:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Trent Richardson Is Better To Me Then AP !!!
You Havent Seen An RB That Takes Care Of His Body Like Richardson .
The Guy Is Pure Muscle Benching 400 Pounds They Wont Let Him Go Over .
He Deliver Hits Instead Of Taking Em .
People Would Really Not Wanna Tackle Him & Blount Teams Would Be Wore Down By Half Time , Games Would End On 7 Min Drives .
This Type Of Talent You Cant Pass On He’s Special , He’s Motivated , He’s Driven To Work Hard , No Character Issues , Well Coached & Etc .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
AP is one instance (7th pick), there were many others drafted before him (pick wise) that sucked
"Number one song and a Grammy, now I'm smashing
Maserati crashing, swerving through the traffic
Wrap it 'round a pole, sell a mil off the tragedy
I defy gravity "
Another Thing ......
With 14 Legit Defensive Back’s In The Draft .
Not To Mention The Sleeper Or Two That Will Excel That Dont Nobody Ever Know About .
Then The 2-4 Free Agents That Might Be Decent For Us .
We Can Get Trent Richardson & Still Come Away With Two Decent Corner’s This Off-season .
Our D-line Will Get To Take What They Learned From Past Coaches & Pair It With The New Coaches Teachings & Become Better Which Would Help Our Secondary .
Then If We Do Get A Laron Landry , Michael Griffin , Or Tyvon Branch To Pair With a Tanard Jackson We Will Be Okay AnyWay .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions
If We Can Come Away WithTrent Richardson & Two Decent Dbs Out The Draft .....
Our Free Agent List Should Be
WR:
Vincent Jackson Or Marques Colston
DE:
Mario Williams Or Calais Campbell
SS:
Laron Landry Or Michael Griffin
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions
I don't agree with some of the statements made in this post
Blount is a nfl feature back, the fact that every one has richardson locked in to go to tampa does not make blount a lesser player. If we didn’t have blount I would wasn’t tampa to look at another player. I am looking at what richardson and blount can accomplish together, it gives us a advantage week in and week out as long as they are both healthy. It also makes freeman job a whole lot easier
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 10:02 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Sorry about the typo
I meant. If we didn’t have blount I would want tampa to look at another player
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I Agree
Im Lookin At Them As A Tandem Too
I Never Took Away From What Blount Can Do
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah when I say take Trent I'm not meaning to belittle Blount....
The point is that together they will be fear inspiring to their opponents. Trent is a once a decade type player and people say “you can’t pass on Luck”…..well I think you cant pass on Trent Richardson if you don’t need a QB or if Luck is already gone.
by TheDarkLord on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Percisely
Richardson in my mind is going to be a great player in this league. If you want a comparison, both richardson and blount together is, jacobs and bradshaw or run dmc and bush on steroids, that’s scary
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 10:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Key Thing Is .....
Trent Richardson Has Edges Over Adrian Peteron Coming Out .
1. He Is Way More Healthy
2. He Works On His Body He Is Like Ray Lewis They Perfect They Body To Stay At The Top Of There Game .
3. He Rarely Takes Hits That Wear Down Rb’s , He Delivers Them .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
It is if its done right.
And with that combo and the way our offense is built, it can make a strong impact.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Look what happened to oakland
After run dmc went down. Also when you enter a draft with a young qb, you want to do your best to put the right peices around him, freeman will have one of the easiest jobs in football if we get richardson hence thats why jason campbell was effective when run dmc was healthy
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 10:48 AM EST via Android app reply actions
No
They did take a hit after campbell went down, but with run dmc that was a dangerous football team without him they were maybe a notch above average at best. Answer me this sander who in this draft helps out freeman and our defense at the same time all while giving us a advantage none else has
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Use the reply button, please
They weren’t that dangerous with Run DMC either.
Running backs aren’t that important in the NFL. They can be found later in drafts, they can be replaced fairly easily, they get injured far more often than other positions, and they don’t last nearly as long. Spending a high draft on a running back is a waste. I don’t care how good that running back is.
You need to look at the numbers
Run dmc was a mvp
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes it was
If he was healthy along with bush they would of made palmer job easy, he would not had to throw the ball alot, and the defense would had time to rest on the bench, hence a effective defense is one that is not always on the field
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Having a good running game helps
But the impact is not that big. Neither the Pats nor the Giants run the ball well, yet they’re the two teams in the Super Bowl.
the patriots ran the ball well against the ravens to win.
the giants have run the ball well these whole playoffs. if the pats didnt run the ball well on the ravens they dont win that game.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
The Ravens didn't even try to defend the run,
The Pats passing game is THAT good
"Number one song and a Grammy, now I'm smashing
Maserati crashing, swerving through the traffic
Wrap it 'round a pole, sell a mil off the tragedy
I defy gravity "
thats why the run is important.
they couldnt throw. if they couldnt run they lose
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
And
Oakland was running away with the division before he left he is a beast richardson is better. You down play the run game, and wont realize the difference unless the bucs do draft richardson, after that it’s murder safe wrote
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:15 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
They were 4-2 when he left
That’s not some huge lead, man. You overestimate how big of an impact he had.
It’s not just that I downplay the run game, it’s that I know you can find good running backs later in the draft, and that investing a fifth overall pick in a player who is likely to last only six years and be injured with some frequency is a bad use of draft picks.
You know that Run DMC missed most of this year with injury. That’s not a fluke. That happens frequently with running backs. It’s a punishing position to play.
Name a running back better then
Adrian Peterson in his draft class richardson has that kind of potential, name a running back better then run dmc in his draft class. These players I am naming can not be found in the later rounds
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
No, but you don't need that kind of player to have a good running game
And there are a ton of good-but-not-great running backs in this draft.
With richardson
No we will not have a good run game we will have a dominate one, one that can carry a team to the superbowl. How good do you think newton would be without that panther run game even though they were not very effective
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Newton helps that run game much more than the other way around
When is the last time a running game got a team to the Super Bowl?
Nope
Their 2 running backs were not as effective as they were in the past. But I dont think newton would of been as good if they had just blount as their main guy.
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 12:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Sander
How does drafting that corner impact both sides of the ball.right away, cause drafting richardson dies
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Is this guy
Going to bring that to the table right away, I dont think joe Hayden did that and Hayden might be better
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Instant Impact Isnt Relevant ?????
Any first rd pick let along top 5 pick is suppose to make an early impact .
Trent richardson surely is .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
N.........F..........L
Not
For
Long
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I see what your saying
But there is no doubt in my mind that richardson will be great early and often throughout his career, can’t say that about the corner you talk about
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I Agree With Keysersoze19 All The Way .....
Sander You Couldnt Have Been Watching Football .
Mcfadden Was All World Them Before He Got Hurt They Were Hot .
In You Sound So Wrong Saying Rb’s Dont Make An Impact .
1. Adrian Foster
2. Ray Rice
3. Adrian Peterson ( When Healthy
4. Darren Mcfadden ( When Healthy
5. Lesean Mccoy
6. Chris Johnson
7. Steven Jackson
8. Matt Forte
9. Marshawn Lynch
10. Jamaal Charles ( When Healthy
11. Frank Gore
All Of These Player Carry There Teams , The Rb Position Doesnt Make An Impact If You A Packers , Patriots Or Saints Fan In Even The Value There Rb’s .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Those players don't carry their teams
They’re parts of the team. But note how many of those players were top 10 draft picks: two. Hence: you can get good running backs later in the draft.
Also, this is really annoying me: ‘in’ is not the same as ‘and’. Seriously, man, pay a little more attention to how you write and cut it out with the capitalization already.
Brady was drafted in the 7th
So why take Luck 1st thats not a great argument. Tell me what don’t you like about richardson
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
There's nothing I don't like about Richardson
There’s a lot I don’t like about drafting running backs high. It’s a poor use of assets.
Brady is an exception. With running backs, top 10 picks are the exception.
But
We are not talking about what pick we are talking about impact remember ?
If you can get impact the pick shouldnt matter .
It well said by many of the football guru’s that if those players above doont get going there offenses wont that explains the IMPACT
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Draft picks are not made in isolation
The choice isn’t “Richardson or Claiborne”. It’s “Richardson and cornerbacks from somewhere else” or “Claiborne and running backs from somewhere else”.
Other then luck
Name another player in the draft better then richardson
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Robert Griffin III
Justin Blackmon. Morris Claiborne. Dre Kirkpatrick.
Where I see “better” as “helping the team win the most games over his career”.
What Yall Dont GET .....
Is Anybody Can Come In The League In Be A Bust .
But There Are Certain Players That You Just See Are Gonna Be Great .
I Dont Care What Pick You Have You Go With The Guy That You Know Can Help Your Team Not The Hype Pick .
You Guys Got It So Made Up In Your Head That Only Certain Positions Should Go At Certain Picks In Its Not True .
Everybody Knew These Players Was Gonna Be Good Coming Out . Add Trent Richardson To It .
1. Sean Taylor
2. Andre Johnson
3. Calvin Johnson
4. Eric Berry ( Except This Year He Was IR )
5. Ndamukong Suh
6. Aj Green
7. Patrick Willis
8. Larry Fitzgerald
9. Steven Jackson
10. Vince Wilfork
Im Telling You Trent Richardson Is Just One Of Those Guys Along With Justin Blackmon That You Cant Miss On , You Cant Say The Same About Morris Claiborne .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
You can't say that about ANYONE
There are ALWAYS busts and tehre is ALWAYS a risk. Also, why can’t I say that about Morris Claiborne?
Because Corners
Come As Unsung Heroes , Since Charles Woodson & Champ Bailey There Hasnt Been Any Corners That Were That Elite He Is Similar To Them In Style Yeah But The Risk Of Him Not Panning Out Is Higher Too .
Revis & Asomugha Wasnt Hyped But There The Best Two Corners .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
You Should Know They Really Not !!!
Look At The Playoff’s No Elite Corners In Th Final Four None Average Or Good At Best .
D-lines Make Defenses Good
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
When drafting this high
You want a guy who improves your chances of winning week in and week out. Richardson does that the corner doesn’t
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 11:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
No
We are saying that trent richardson is the best pck because .
1. He makes Josh Freeman better ( play action , pass protection , checkdowns , short yardage )
2. Him & Blount Will Make Each Other Better Health Wise & Wear & Tear On A Defense Wise
3. They Can Run Behind An Average O-line
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Thats what I'm talking about
And what is overlooked. I don’t care if you have 11 hall of famers on defense, if the offense can’t keep the defense off the field then the defense will wear down quick and lose some of it’s effectiveness. Look at how dominate the 49ers became when the offense found it’s self, and how the jets do became less effective when their offense went away from the run
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 12:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You need to look at Richardson compared to Blount and other backs the Bucs can get later in the draft
Can’t look at him in isolation.
But
No Other Back Compares To Trent Richardson In Every Category .
If It’s Ten Box’s Richardson Has All Ten Full .
The Other Backs Maybe 5 Or Six At Most .
Richardson Best Back Since Peterson Get It In Your Head He’s One Of A Kind A True Decade Player .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm talking about the two individual players
That corner everyone wants will not make the same impact richardson will make
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Im With You
The best defenses in the league dont have elite corners , They have good front sevens with decent safeties maybe .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, really?
You didn’t get that’s how I thought about it from the umpteen dozen times we’ve spoken on it?
no i didnt think that you thought run dmc didnt have a huge effect on the team when he went down or that they were dangerous with him playing
i know you dislike running backs thats not a secret
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
this is just beating a dead horse.
obviously sander doesnt like or value running backs and some of us see the value trent richardson brings to the table. we will just have to wait till draft day.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
In Whats The Use .....
Of Having A Lockdown Corner If We Are Gonna Have A Dominate Defensive Line .
You Dont Really Need Both The Giants Dont Have Elite Corners .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions
True
And we have great potential in our dline at every position, we can find guys to put in the secondary to make our defense good. You ain’t going to find another Tent Richardson
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 12:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
And the Giants have struggled for years in the secondary because of that
There’s a reason why they spent their first-round pick on a cornerback this year.
Giants are in the
Superbowl
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 12:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes
Their defense played very well the past five or so games, including their cornerbacks. They struggled for most of the year.
Health
Was The Main Reason .
Imagine If Marvin Austin Didnt Get Hurt , Another Solid Guy On That Line .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
In Has He Got On The field As A Top 20 Pick In He Was Good Highly Rated
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 24, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
True
During our glory years we did not have corners that were highly ranked in the draft
by keysersoze19 on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Finding Tampa 2 cornerbacks is relatively easy
The league as a whole is trending away from zone coverage because of the new rules and great QBs. If the Bucs do go back to a Tampa 2 defense I could see them avoiding highly drafted cornerbacks, but I doubt that happens.
He was injured for most of the reason, he's now their third cornerback
And he has played well when he’s gotten on the field. Judging a draft pick on his rookie year is nonsense, anyway.
Also, since when is “In” used like that?
No one knows what Shaino will do or what type of defense he will run and I doubt he will continue the Tampa 2… with that I love Richardson but only 1 RB drafted in the top 20 since 2000 has been to a superbowl. Pats who are going to the SB use Edalman as a CB so that position is a little over rated too.. They simple can’t get down the field or tackle..
take Blackmon if available at 5 or trade back a few spots and take one of the Alabama line backers who love to tackle and pick up another 2nd rd pick and take Alonzo Dennard and Lamar Miller or Lemicheal James
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