It's 2002 All Over Again
by Buc Wild on Jan 23, 2012 10:01 AM EST
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PrintThank you Chip Kelly for becoming the latest "Yes he will, no he won't" contestant for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. For those who missed the last 12-16 hours, reports popped up during the NFC Championship Game that the Bucs and Oregon coach Chip Kelly had engaged in discussions to bring him aboard as the next head coach. Talks were supposeldy heating up after meetings the week prior with several people confirming it was to be finalized by Tuesday and a few places even saying it was a done deal.
The news sent waves rolling through the NFL landscape. Potential coordinators were being discussed, the draft become a hot topic and how he would adapt his offense to the NFL system were all items being talked about as people envisioned Kelly taking over the reigns.
But alas, it was not to be. Kelly supposedly had a last minute change of heart (which could be true, or he could have assurances he's getting more cash from Oregon). The rumor mill swept us all up and Kelly firmly hit the flush button to drown the dreams of a high powered attack in Tampa. It's worth noting that Kelly never said he would coach here and in fact, we have no idea what conversations took place. The talks sound like any other talks, due diligence followed by a "Let's see if we can work this out." Kelly may have gotten caught in the hype and as he had time to think about it, realized Eugene, Oregon was where he wanted to stay.
This shouldn't feel too unfamiliar for Bucs fans. Back in 2002, after Tony Dungy was canned we had a deal with Bill Parcells, or so we thought. Turns out he had a change of heart and left us standing at the altar. Of course, we would go on to get Gruden so there's hope in 2012, though I hope it doesn't include 4 draft picks this time around.
We can thank Twitter and other social media for letting this rumor mill get out of control. But the good news, at least as I see it, is people were excited to talk about the Bucs again. We were trending and being discussed in a positive light for the first time since October. Can't argue with that.
What's next? We sit and wait. There will be more interviews, talks of potential hirings, and finally, someone will sign on the dotted line. We'll move on and this whole Chip Kelly thing will be nothing more than a blip on the radar.
History does repeat itself and 2002 isn't a bad year to repeat for the Bucs. Let's see if this coaching fiasco has the same outcome.
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The team was in a lot better shape in 2002 than now
We just needed someone to put us over the top, not completely rebuild.
We have too many holes on this team and zero direction.
Whoever is hired is going to see a roster that can’t compete in the NFC South for at least 2-3 seasons.
It’s hard to make a diamond out of a bag of turds. Our next coach will be fired within 3-4 years unless the owners are willing to add good players to the roster.
by Bucs on Jan 23, 2012 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also - it makes you wonder why we missed out on the free agents that we tried to get in the offseason.
It might have had something to do with the general direction of the team.
by Bucs on Jan 23, 2012 10:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm still pulling for Marty.
The man is a winner.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
im glad that he decided to stay in college
i would have been ok with him coming in as an OC but as a HC i dont think he would have been able to get a good staff together, just like our last coach.
i dont think he has the relationships in the NFL to get people to join him. i also could be wrong but i cant think of any of his coordinators leaving Oregon and having success at other schools; thats not good in my eyes, great coaches are able to build great staffs no matter where they are.
bucs fan landlocked in denver
idk
“But the good news, at least as I see it, is people were excited to talk about the Bucs again. We were trending and being discussed in a positive light for the first time since October. Can’t argue with that.”
I felt like the story made things worse, because now the attractiveness of the HC job has become a question mark. What are the owners and GM saying or doing that is causing potential candidates to back off?
by number40ismyhero on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions
honestly
I’m a Bengals fan, keep popping over to see if my boy Zimmer might be leaving, anyway, I think you guys lucked out by not hiring Kelly, this signing had Spurrier written all over it.
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach and hiring Jack Del Rio as Defensive Coordinator. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
No way it would have been like Spurrier.
Dan Snyder does not own the Bucs, thank God.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
Yeah, Spurrier
The track record of coaches going from college to pros isn’t solid (sure, some good ones, but more bad than good). Also, the kind of offense Kelly runs at Oregon isn’t going to translate; “high-powered” college offense does not equate to working in the pros (again, Spurrier-ish).
Give me a coordinator with real NFL experience. Zimmer would be awesome.
by MilkmanDanimal on Jan 23, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
We have great pieces in place!
To win in this league we need, a QB (check) we need a line to protect him (almost check) and we need a line to get after the other teams Qb (when healthy and a full off season to train and gel (check)
Plus we got a big, back that no one wants to step in front of, we got a 3 WRs that all could go for 100 yards in a game and a TE that could do the same! I’m SUPER excited about this team! yes we had a let down this year, that just means we’re going to pick up someone great in the draft to upgrade our secondary! Besides we are one of the youngest teams in the league (even with ronde) get us some good coaching, and we have the talent and the tools to beat ANYONE!!!!
our defense
it terrible. Just plain terrible.
you don’t give up 42 points in one half.
They somehow managed to pull it off.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
This is probably the biggest reason...
the Glazers are keeping this so “hush hush”. We probably don’t want to know how many coaches told us to suck it when we asked them for an interview. Public dissing is not the way to build fan excitement.
Did we even interview Kelley?
I mean we must have, right? RIGHT? How many other coaches have we interviewed and kept it quiet? Honestly I understand it for the college coaches at least.
Last week.
The Bucs never come out and talk about who they’re interviewing, and I’m pretty sure there are others we don’t know about.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
I'm sorry, we know everything about everything.
Chip Kelly wasn’t a surprise, we all knew about it.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
Who?
We have discussed just about everyone in position to take a Head Coach position? Les Miles? Unlikely. Mike Gundy? Signed a 6 year extension with OSU.
Is there a chance they interviewed someone we don’t know about? sure. Are they a legitimate candidate that would work in Tampa? Probably not. This screams of desperation time for Dom and Glazers. When have we ever known the Bucs to have a GOOD backup plan? Consistently, they have thrown their eggs in one basket and when they miss, they screw themselves.
Formerly UNFNole
Plus, if Les Miles gets the job
I quit. The ONLY thing that makes him successful in college is his ability to recruit. Has more talent than anyone in nation. Doesn’t have that luxury in the NFL. I seriously will hang my hat up as a Bucs fan if they hire Les Miles.
Formerly UNFNole
We all know the Bucs are quiet and work behind the scenes.
The only reason we know who was even interviewed was because those people’s people spilled the beans. So yeah, it’s very possible if not very likely the Bucs have interviewed people we don’t know about.
I’m thinking Marty might be our best bet at this point. I know he won’t be here long but he will set us up for the long haul pretty nicely. He would bring in a great staff and get the players in here we need.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
And i'm not sure the idea that he comes in and hires a coordinator for the future
is realistic. He didn’t do it in San Diego.
Formerly UNFNole
I din't think he was planning on being fired after going 14-2 either lol.
But his coaching tree is very impressive. I remember the guys on 1010 were talking about the guys who will sign up asap if he called, so it’s not a bad deal.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
I'm glad we didn't hire kelly either
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 23, 2012 11:39 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I don't buy all the 'embarrassment' talk
Glazers kept his interview under wraps and it does show they have been even more thorough than we thought.
Can’t believe they would have leaked the negotiating story, so who would have anything to achieve by it? That said, I still don’t believe it in any way embarrasses the organisation that their (presumably) first choice has had a change of heart and stayed put.
Could be that his heart is in Oregon, could be he’s waiting on a ‘better opportunity’, could be his wife doesn’t want to move all the way across country, or even that he is comfortable in hi current job and not up for the challenge. Could be a lot of things.
This kind of thing happens often with high profile vacancies in all walks of life.
This is still one of the top 32 jobs in the sport and vacancies open to college coaches typically aren’t open at franchises currently enjoying success.
Just because Kelly was offered first chance at the job and changed his mind will not change Schottenheimer’s, Zimmer’s, Sherman’s etc interest in the job, if any of the other candidates remove themselves from the process because they weren’t seen to be first choice then I don’t think their ego would have allowed them to lead us to great things anyway.
Back to the candidates we know about and some of them still offer a level of excitement.
I’d like Zimmer, I like his no-nonsense approach and the defense worries me, but I could also get excited about Schotty (should be a good coaching staff), Chud (like his resume pre-Panthers, but can he get a good staff together) and Sherman doesn’t have a bad record either, might not be exciting, but how excited were Falcon fans when Mike Smith was appointed? Not exciting, but they keep winning – we can cross the playoff record bridge when we get there.
I think the supposed sanctions talk may have sway him to stay.
That and Nike money.
It's consistent. If it was a money grab by Kelly, the Bucs should have recognized it for what it is.
Most competitors want the chance to coach at the highest level. If the Bucs failed to present the opportunity as is to Chip Kelly, it’s solely on the.
I’ve said before but Dominik’s biggest weakness is his ability to sell Tampa Bay, whether it’s to free agents or coaches. It’s a huge part of being a GM. Just because the opportunity exists does not mean acquisitions are givens. Dom is good at drafting and has done every other part of his job adequately, but he just isn’t a good sales rep for the Bucs organization.
Formerly UNFNole
And that's with no state taxes to help him
And climate
Can I still hold hope
That Kelly pulls an Urban Meyer?
by GoBuxGo on Jan 23, 2012 12:20 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Worst Monday Morning Ever!
Woke up to find out no Chip Kelly AND a virus has corrupted my computer…..
by gusjackson on Jan 23, 2012 12:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is exactly why i didn't post anything about it last night
had that funny parcells kind of feeling written all over it
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 23, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions
Me too, I was super excited last night, couldn't sleep
Then I decided to check my iPod at 5 am and got the bad news.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
It's disappointing
but it’s not the end of the world. Oregon counter-offered and he opted for the known and for job security. There was always a chance that could happen. There are still some very good choices out there: Schottenheimer, Chudzinski, Zimmer, etc.
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
If he were to be fired in the future from an NFL team
he would be the hottest thing on the college market. Get any job that is open. I don’t buy “job security”
Formerly UNFNole
Kind of like how Sherman blew it at TAMU and may now get hired here
I thank Draysbay for proving that Loose Change fanatics exist in mainstream America, and more importantly for Chik-fil-A spicy chicken recommendations. My life is forever changed
by matthan on Jan 23, 2012 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha.
I don’t think Sherman did a fantastic job at A&M but he also got the program a lot farther than it had been and made it an attractive pickup for the SEC.
Formerly UNFNole
What? It's at nearly the same spot than pre Sherman. The SEC wanted TAMU due to them being in Texas. That's it. It's all about dollars.
I thank Draysbay for proving that Loose Change fanatics exist in mainstream America, and more importantly for Chik-fil-A spicy chicken recommendations. My life is forever changed
by matthan on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Philbin wants Sheman for OC of the Dolphins
hopefully this gets done so we don’t have to worry about him coming here
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 23, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
She-man?
I am now glad we didn’t hire him…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 23, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the fact is that college coaches usually have more opportunity to stay put that their NFL counterparts
Particularly if they’ve had a lot of success. The NFL is much more of a season-to-season assessment where it’s almost unheard of for one guy to stay in place for over a decade. Couple that together with Kelly already making NFL-level money, and yeah I think job security is a real consideration. If Kelly had come here and bombed two seasons in a row (not outside the range of possibility), he would have been back on the job market with a giant black mark on his resume. Not to say another college wouldn’t give him a shot- but he would need to prove himself all over again. By staying put, he has the chance to become an Oregon institution while being paid NFL money.
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
by RookTakesYou on Jan 23, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
The Oregon job is more attractive than the Bucs job
More passion, bigger games, more control, more fans, etc
He’d be at the mercy of Dom being able to get the players he’d need to succeed. And Dom is at the mercy of the Glazers.
Literally the only thing that should sway him is $$$$, and obviously that’s a big deal, but not the only deal.
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by matthan on Jan 23, 2012 1:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I disagree with this whole-heartedly.
You could say that about Pete Carrol leaving, Nick Saban, Bobby Petrino, etc etc etc.
The lure of the NFL isn’t about going to a place that is in a better situation or has more “passionate” fans. I would argue most major college football programs have more passion. I also don’t really understand what you mean by control, and having more of it in college. There is WAY more beauracracy in college, but regardless.
The lure of the NFL is to competitive people (which is what most coaches are) to prove themselves on THE HIGHEST stage. It’s why any college coach leaves.
Formerly UNFNole
Control: recruiting and teaching your players the way you want to
NFL head coaches have a much smaller importance than college. And I agree people like to go to the NFL to “win on the highest stage”. But then again Saban and Petrino prefer college over NFL. PC left because of the sanctions. Some coaches do okay in the NFL but suck in college. Then others can’t coach in the NFL. College requires better teachers. Everyone talks about college coaches not making it in the nfl, but what about nfl guys that suck in college? There are quite a few, starting with Sherman who we may hire. Do people fail to realize he got his ass handed to him at TAMU?
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by matthan on Jan 23, 2012 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rumors floating around on Zimmer being the target.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I like Chud, but am not completely sold on him.
I like seeing more than one year of success before jumping on ship.
Formerly UNFNole
I like Zimmer
Kind of surprised after hearing Philbin was a finalist and now the Kelly news. Seems like they were targetting offense.
I want an explosive O.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
I think Zimmer is the better option at HC than Chud.
Experience, long standing reputation as an NFL assistant. , respected more by his players. I’m liking him more and more.
This Is So Sad
We had a coach he said naw I’m good after we gave him 6 million on the table, but who says he wouldn’t turn out like Nick Saban did at this level. Now that the disappointment is over only 2 people that were previously named and save this sunken ship a bit Marty or Zimmer, with Hue Jackson or Brad Childress as O/C.
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