Tampa Bay Buccaneers embarrassed again: Chip Kelly to stay at Oregon per reports
by Sander on Jan 23, 2012 7:19 AM EST
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PrintThis is starting to get a little embarrassing. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been left at the altar for at least the third time in Bucs history - twice by Bill Parcells, and now once by Chip Kelly. The Oregon Registrar Guard was the first to report that Chip Kelly would stay at Oregon, and now multiple other outlets - including ESPN and Pewter Report.
This isn't the first time the Bucs have failed to land their prospective head coach. The Glazers went hard after the man they wanted - and they came up short. Did Chip Kelly just use the talks as leverage to get a better contract at Oregon? Who knows, but apparently the Bucs' job is not exactly an attractive one these days.
And that's embarrassing. There are only 32 NFL teams in the universe. Being the head coach of an NFL team is a dream for most coaches - and it should be. But for Chip Kelly, Jeff Fisher and Wade Phillips, that dream doesn't include the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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went to bed excited
woke up sad…back to bed it is then
I was so excited I didn't even sleep last night
I’m such a fool for believing in this organization so strongly. Just hire Marty for gods sake he actually wants to be here. Pretty sure most others now see us as a last resort type of gig. Like going to the bar at midnight and striking out until last call. Either go home alone, or settle for that ugly chick that noone else wants.
Can't afford to screw up this draft also Dominik.
Dominik draft blunders. Illustrates our pick whom Dominik decided was better than (>) in the same round.
2009 rd 2 Winslow (traded our pick to acquire and make leagues highest paid TE) > LeSean McCoy, rd 3 Roy Miller > Mike Wallace, LaDarius Webb, Jared Cook, rd 4 Kyle Moore > Johnie Knox, rd 5 Xavier Fulton > Jason McCourty
2010 rd 2 B Price, Arrelious Benn > Rob Gronkowski, Javier Arenas, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Ben Tate, Pat Angerer. rd 3 Myron Lewis > Emmanuel Sanders, Navorro Bowman, Jimmy Graham. rd 4 Mike Will (good pick) rd 5 No pick thanks to Winslow trade, rd 6 Brent Bowden > Antonio Brown. Not to mention 5 year 25-30 mil Michael Clayton, 4 year 17 mil Derek Ward.
Went to bed sad
WOKE UP FREAKING ECSTATIC!
GO BLAZERS!!!GO DUCKS!!!!GO RAIDERS!!!!AND PANTHERS!!!!GO YANKEES!!!!!
this is pretty embarassing man
but Chip would have sucked here anyways. His offensive schemes would never work in the NFL anyways.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 23, 2012 7:26 AM EST reply actions
I don't think this is so crippling
I still think Marty would put together a better staff anyways
by number40ismyhero on Jan 23, 2012 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
Better staff yes,
but not as exciting.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
Yeah man I was really excited about the thought.
I think Freeman would’ve excelled under Kelly but it doesn’t really matter what I thought. Is this signature too long?
Can't afford to screw up this draft also Dominik.
Dominik draft blunders. Illustrates our pick whom Dominik decided was better than (>) in the same round.
2009 rd 2 Winslow (traded our pick to acquire and make leagues highest paid TE) > LeSean McCoy, rd 3 Roy Miller > Mike Wallace, LaDarius Webb, Jared Cook, rd 4 Kyle Moore > Johnie Knox, rd 5 Xavier Fulton > Jason McCourty
2010 rd 2 B Price, Arrelious Benn > Rob Gronkowski, Javier Arenas, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Ben Tate, Pat Angerer. rd 3 Myron Lewis > Emmanuel Sanders, Navorro Bowman, Jimmy Graham. rd 4 Mike Will (good pick) rd 5 No pick thanks to Winslow trade, rd 6 Brent Bowden > Antonio Brown. Not to mention 5 year 25-30 mil Michael Clayton, 4 year 17 mil Derek Ward.
This is starting to get ridiculous.
If we land a crappy coach and fail another three years, then I think I’m done.
by SupraBuc on Jan 23, 2012 7:29 AM EST via Android app reply actions
that's a little harsh
every team goes through good and bad cycles. It’s hard to stay consistently competitive.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 23, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
But we're starting to look like the Bills or the Browns
Teams that have been running in place for many years. At least Carolina, Atlanta and New Orleans have a long term plan in place.
Can you imagine how bad our attendance will be in 2012?
by Bucs on Jan 23, 2012 7:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What a let down
I’m not too sure what fell through but it sucks that it did. I was ready to dub this one " The Deal ".
by GoBuxGo on Jan 23, 2012 7:42 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Missed this entire debacle
What a joke to wake up to. Are we the least professional organization in professional sports? Maybe?
we are definitely a joke
coaches are playing us for fools. If we were even interested in Fisher, he wouldn’t have even stepped in the building. Now a college coach who might be facing league sanctions in Oregon has turned us down at the altar. this is getting bad.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 23, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
We have the NFL covered
Feels like the Bucs of old. Have we taken the place of the Matt Millen Lions?
It's actually kind of nice that our owners have egg on their place today.
Maybe this will humble them. They can’t half-ass our organization and think they’ll be successful.
by Bucs on Jan 23, 2012 8:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im starting to wonder if they care.
Feels like the Culerhouse era. The big money grab. Put Dom in place as a mouth piece.
They would have had to pay Kelley a fortune
so it is a different sort of fail than the Culverhouse years.
Kelly's Oregon Buyout this year was $3.5m
His scheduled salary was in the range of $2.5m.
Just to match his current salary, the team would be committing $5m to him for this year. That they offered him signals that ownership is much more willing to pay that the Culverhouse era.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jan 23, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
This doesn't concern me one bit.
The Glazers can’t control what the people do.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
It concerns me that multiple coaches, including 2 high profile ones, have dumped on them
It is becoming a pattern, and that says something about the organization. And that something is not good.
by aakks on Jan 23, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
When your GM and ownership cannot sell the Program thier is a problem.
would you want to coach this team?
be honest. You already know walking in, there’s a good chance you aren’t going to get the FA’s you want, then throw in the fact that you have to compete with the Saints, Falcons, and the Panthers twice a year, also add in the fact that the secondary and LB needs to be completely retooled, and then show them fan morale and stadium attendance. We just look like a sinking ship that would require a miracle to be fixed.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 23, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
How did Kelly dump on the Bucs?
He said his heart was in Oregon. People swing and miss. We could go for the lowest common denominator, but I’d rather swing for the fences and miss once in awhile than continue with low profile, subpar choices.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Who else? Parcells? It was 10 years ago. Wade Phillips? I had zero interest in him.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I believe the Glazers said they weren't interested in Fisher
or rather, he was not their top choice.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
He was supposedly on the top of Dom's list
until Fisher said he wasn’t interested in the Bucs. Then suddenly we didn’t like him.
Depends on which report you believe
Stroud reported he was at the top of Dominik’s list. Kaufman reported that the Glazers weren’t all that interested.
Top of Dom's list was reported first
Then Fisher was only interested in Rams/Dolphins, THEN we weren’t interested.
And he went to worst division in football. That makes a difference.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
If you are looking for reasons they said no you will find them for any candidates
The fact is multiple high profile coaches have spurned us in this search. That does not reflect well on the organization at all.
Guess what, they've all spurned other orgs too.
Fisher didn’t want to go to Indy, or any other place, nor did Phillips, nor did Kelly. By doing what they did, they eliminated other places.
Not everyone is a fit. It’s possible we went after them, met with them and decided they weren’t a fit. Nothing wrong with that. There have beem mroe positive remarks on the Bucs and Glazers than negatives by potential hires.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Surprise, people who want the job say nice things
Sorry, I don’t share your perspective on this at all. I think this is another black eye on the organization.
Parcells was a black eye on the org, that worked out pretty damn well.
Would you rather they just go hire Jerry Gray? We can aim low and not have these “black eyes”. Its part of the process
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Dom needed to go with Morris
This is nothing but a mess now. The Bucs need an exp GM . Dom cant get a head coach he wants. How will he ever get a quality FA.
Exactly man Rahminik was supposed to be a pair
basically those two both laid their careers on Freeman. Dom did such a horrible job giving us any help and Rah couldn’t coach crap into gold. Failed experiment and Dom has to go. No one with credibility wants to work for and take orders from the little punk
Can't afford to screw up this draft also Dominik.
Dominik draft blunders. Illustrates our pick whom Dominik decided was better than (>) in the same round.
2009 rd 2 Winslow (traded our pick to acquire and make leagues highest paid TE) > LeSean McCoy, rd 3 Roy Miller > Mike Wallace, LaDarius Webb, Jared Cook, rd 4 Kyle Moore > Johnie Knox, rd 5 Xavier Fulton > Jason McCourty
2010 rd 2 B Price, Arrelious Benn > Rob Gronkowski, Javier Arenas, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Ben Tate, Pat Angerer. rd 3 Myron Lewis > Emmanuel Sanders, Navorro Bowman, Jimmy Graham. rd 4 Mike Will (good pick) rd 5 No pick thanks to Winslow trade, rd 6 Brent Bowden > Antonio Brown. Not to mention 5 year 25-30 mil Michael Clayton, 4 year 17 mil Derek Ward.
They were never a pair.
They made that clear.
Well if not the Dom should have gone first
The talent level on this team is sub par. NO leadership. He is the GM.
Am I the only one?
While like taking risks and felt Chip could bring an entire new dimension to this offense, it would have been a HUGE risk hiring a college coach with no NFL experience. Yes, there have been some successes, but few and far between. Harbaugh is not the best example because those brothers grew up on football from being around their dad. Running
a college team is not like the NFL. I still strongly believe defense still wins championships. The Ravens should have pulled out that game last night had the receiver not dropped that pass. It almost looked like he was going to raise his hands to celebrate and the pats defender knocked out. And then that missed field goal. If chip hired an amazing D coordinator who knows NFL, I would have been excited. Just bring on Marty. He wants to be here. No learning curve. And he is hungry. Oldungry!
by gmaz1 on Jan 23, 2012 7:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
you aren't the only one
I think Chip Kelly would be a project, and I doubt he would land respectable coordinators like Marty could. I think people were just excited for the search to be over and for the team to start putting it’s entire staff together.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 23, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe a project but I think he would have adapted his system anyway.
Everything I read, heard, and seen about this guy is that he is an amazing coach who can get the players to play their asses off for him. But as far as the college to pro stuff, there are plenty of coaches that have made the change, there’s one HC in the Super Bowl this year to boot.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
i feel like college coaches are like top draft picks
they excite you because of the energy and change they might bring, but more of them flare out than pan out. Maybe Chip would have made the leap successfully, but can we risk him failing? What would THAT do to our young team?
by number40ismyhero on Jan 23, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
Some guys have it, others don't.
But you’d think by interviewing and going over everything with a fine comb you’d have a good idea if the guy is worth a shot. I think he was worth a shot, and there are a few others out there too. Spurrier didn’t work out because 1) Dan Snyder owns the Redskins 2) He couldn’t stay away from his UF players. You can’t compare any other coach to him, but I know that’s what people think when you talk about college coaches making the jump.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
Some NFL guys suck in college ( see Sherman who we may hire) just like some college guys suck in the NFL
From the outside it’s all a crapshoot
I thank Draysbay for proving that Loose Change fanatics exist in mainstream America, and more importantly for Chik-fil-A spicy chicken recommendations. My life is forever changed
by matthan on Jan 23, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we dont spend in free agency this year
i honestly believe the glazers will sell the team when they are forced to spend money.
by SupraBuc on Jan 23, 2012 8:04 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Well I'm very bummed, he was my top choice.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
joke
we are a joke. dude if you can stick it out for 3 years power to you.
it aint about winning or losing- its about there honestly being no hope for this organization. what is there to say? at this point godell should step in an run the franchise until somebody intrested in buying the team and actually have some kind of want an will for them to succeed. even after the season we just watched the men who run this fucking debacle dont seem 2 be in any hurry to turn it around.
its the lack of caring or any sense of direction that makes it ridicoulous. if they lose but lose trying im still proud.but when everybody from the players up to the owners dont seem to care you gotta ask why should I?
-Still just waiting on positive news.
What would you like to do?
They fired Gruden when everyone was pissed we missed the playoffs. We went 10-6 two years ago, this isn’t a perennial 2-14 organization. Bucs fans have to be willing to tolerate some missteps. We weren’t happy with Gruden’s piecemeal, reload every year with vets strategy and now we arent happy with build through the draft. Give it time. This organization is far from the worst run in sports.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
We are closer to a perennial 2-14 team than we are to a 10-6 team
That 10-6 team played a very weak schedule and had to have 5 or 6 , 4th quarter comebacks, that team could have just as easily been 4-12
And this team was 4-2 early in the year and had the toughest schedule in the NFL
The collapse had more to do with coaching (mental toughness) than quality of play.
You can’t just wave off 10-6 with “weak schedule” and then look at 4-12 and not dig any deeper.
That was a pretty weak 4-2
The Saints and Falcons wins were solid, but the Colts and Vikes wins were almost losses.
We beat
Atl when they were struggling. We beat NO with 3 int from Breese, He still almost beat us. We beat the team with the worse record in football.. Now the Vikes had our butts kicked and I remember wondering at halftime are we the worst team in football
We still won. Not every win is 50-0 and over at halftime.
The Lions were down 3 teams by more than 17+ points and came back to win. Are they the worst team in football? Would you call those weak wins? Take the W. So many sour people that want any reason to jump on the Bucs
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
lol it was a win over the Vikes..
I dont look for ANY reason to jump on the Bucs..EVER , but cmon the last 10 games WE were worse than Indy and they had a chance to go 0-16.
That because Olson forgot
that people general use their 1,000 yd rusher.
That's like saying this year's team was close to being 10-6. We started out 4-1 (or 4-2, I forget) before we collapsed.
What happened, happened. Gruden’s late season collapse did not cause this season’s collapse. We were in the playoffs or in the hunt 6 of the last 10 years, 2 of the last 4 etc. Hardly a perennial 2-14 team. Perspective people.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Saints, Falcons, Panthers, Bucs
Seriously where do we fit in this group. As a die hard I admit we are by far the worst.
Can't afford to screw up this draft also Dominik.
Dominik draft blunders. Illustrates our pick whom Dominik decided was better than (>) in the same round.
2009 rd 2 Winslow (traded our pick to acquire and make leagues highest paid TE) > LeSean McCoy, rd 3 Roy Miller > Mike Wallace, LaDarius Webb, Jared Cook, rd 4 Kyle Moore > Johnie Knox, rd 5 Xavier Fulton > Jason McCourty
2010 rd 2 B Price, Arrelious Benn > Rob Gronkowski, Javier Arenas, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Ben Tate, Pat Angerer. rd 3 Myron Lewis > Emmanuel Sanders, Navorro Bowman, Jimmy Graham. rd 4 Mike Will (good pick) rd 5 No pick thanks to Winslow trade, rd 6 Brent Bowden > Antonio Brown. Not to mention 5 year 25-30 mil Michael Clayton, 4 year 17 mil Derek Ward.
Right now. What about 4 years ago? What about 4 years from now?
At some point, every team is the worst in their division. When Gruden was fired, we were arguably the best, maybe behind Carolina. Drew Brees wont play forever. Steve Smith wont either. Ebb and flow.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Yes youre correct
But then the sons took over . Fired Gruden. IT is much cheaper was much cheaper to carry his contract than to bring in free agents. I can imagine the meeting with Gru when they tried to sell this plan to him..
Heck yeah 69
They would much rather pay a head coach 5 mil annually instead of paying a starting caliber linebacker 7.. Oh wait Dominik decided to pay Quicy Black about 6 million annually so we almost get a starting level linebacker. This is what we can expect, they will only spend money when forced. At this time if their profits don’t match up they will hopefully (fingers crossed) decide to sell.
Can't afford to screw up this draft also Dominik.
Dominik draft blunders. Illustrates our pick whom Dominik decided was better than (>) in the same round.
2009 rd 2 Winslow (traded our pick to acquire and make leagues highest paid TE) > LeSean McCoy, rd 3 Roy Miller > Mike Wallace, LaDarius Webb, Jared Cook, rd 4 Kyle Moore > Johnie Knox, rd 5 Xavier Fulton > Jason McCourty
2010 rd 2 B Price, Arrelious Benn > Rob Gronkowski, Javier Arenas, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Ben Tate, Pat Angerer. rd 3 Myron Lewis > Emmanuel Sanders, Navorro Bowman, Jimmy Graham. rd 4 Mike Will (good pick) rd 5 No pick thanks to Winslow trade, rd 6 Brent Bowden > Antonio Brown. Not to mention 5 year 25-30 mil Michael Clayton, 4 year 17 mil Derek Ward.
I have perspective
I just watched a team that was rung up for 40 points over and over . and scored 1 TD in the first quarter this year. We may very well have the worst offense and defense in football.
Im so diehard its sick. But fact is this 75% of this teams yards this year were garbage yards.
If you were a Lions fan back in the Millen era, did that pay off?
It’s long-term. We won’t go 16-0 every year. We have been in the hunt most years. Pre Morris is was 5 of 7 years. Last 3 its been 1 of 3 and they made a change.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Are u saying
Matt Millen era paid off? No way it did.. Mayhew built that. A real GM.
WIthout Matt Millen being terrible, things dont get changed.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Ok and Dom is terrible
Can we please play the change game now?
I'm both a Bucs fan and Ducks fan.
When I heard this news I was a mixed bag of emotions, but deep down I felt like it probably wouldn’t end up great for either team.
I love Chip and everything he’s done at Oregon, and I’d like to one day see what he can do on the pro level, but I just don’t think this was the time for him. One of the cited motivating factors for him looking was that he didn’t enjoy some of the additional roles of being a college head coach (glad handing boosters; dealing with NCAA compliance; interference from parents) and wanted to focus on the football coaching/film/ X’s & O’s aspect of the game. As a first time NFL head coach, having to build an entire staff, he wouldn’t have that opportunity as he would as a coordinator.
I doubt this was a leverage play, he’s only the second year into a 6 year contract extension right now. I think he was generally entertained by the prospect. He probably spoke to some people he considered good advisers and rationalised why the move would be good. But I figure as things progressed, he realised how much of a jump this was going to be and decided he wouldn’t be comfortable in the role.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jan 23, 2012 8:14 AM EST reply actions
Yes Oregon
Will spend more on free agents . I mean recruits than the Bucs will
by 69her on Jan 23, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That actually wouldn't shock me
we are the cheapest pay roll in the league annually. Boy wonder Dominik cut payroll and the Glazers fell in love.
Can't afford to screw up this draft also Dominik.
Dominik draft blunders. Illustrates our pick whom Dominik decided was better than (>) in the same round.
2009 rd 2 Winslow (traded our pick to acquire and make leagues highest paid TE) > LeSean McCoy, rd 3 Roy Miller > Mike Wallace, LaDarius Webb, Jared Cook, rd 4 Kyle Moore > Johnie Knox, rd 5 Xavier Fulton > Jason McCourty
2010 rd 2 B Price, Arrelious Benn > Rob Gronkowski, Javier Arenas, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Ben Tate, Pat Angerer. rd 3 Myron Lewis > Emmanuel Sanders, Navorro Bowman, Jimmy Graham. rd 4 Mike Will (good pick) rd 5 No pick thanks to Winslow trade, rd 6 Brent Bowden > Antonio Brown. Not to mention 5 year 25-30 mil Michael Clayton, 4 year 17 mil Derek Ward.
A truck full of Phil Knight's money?
He’s hasn’t really said anything other then he wanted to stay. May have been some student activity that helped their case.
Just watch someone like the Colts or Raiders pick him up
and this would truly show how pathetic the organization is. We could’ve had Mike Wallace and Emannual Sanders instead of Roy Miller and Myron Lewis
Can't afford to screw up this draft also Dominik.
Dominik draft blunders. Illustrates our pick whom Dominik decided was better than (>) in the same round.
2009 rd 2 Winslow (traded our pick to acquire and make leagues highest paid TE) > LeSean McCoy, rd 3 Roy Miller > Mike Wallace, LaDarius Webb, Jared Cook, rd 4 Kyle Moore > Johnie Knox, rd 5 Xavier Fulton > Jason McCourty
2010 rd 2 B Price, Arrelious Benn > Rob Gronkowski, Javier Arenas, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Ben Tate, Pat Angerer. rd 3 Myron Lewis > Emmanuel Sanders, Navorro Bowman, Jimmy Graham. rd 4 Mike Will (good pick) rd 5 No pick thanks to Winslow trade, rd 6 Brent Bowden > Antonio Brown. Not to mention 5 year 25-30 mil Michael Clayton, 4 year 17 mil Derek Ward.
I doubt it.
He seems like a reasonable guy. So he said if he’s staying in Oregon, he probably will. At least for the coming season.
And neither of those guys play defense tackle.
True but its depressing looking at the myriad of horrible decisions made
in the last three years. You can’t honestly tell me that Dominik has had good drafts.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
We should revisit this question after this year
His drafting success hinges entirely on Freeman and the dline imo. If they can’t turn it around next year then Dom’s drafts have been failure. If they can then his drafts have been solid.
Solid does not cut it
Solid will do if building threw the draft and FA. The sale was a team built threw the draft. Sorry i wont drink that kool-aid. Not from what i have seen
What im saying is
Good is not good , He said. We are going to build threw the Draft ala Pitt, GB etc. He held himself to those standards. Those teams do not draft good , They draft great. We have been way short of great
Every team has hits and misses
The problem with Dom’s drafts right now, imo, is that the hits are mostly questionable for various reasons. If those hits all pan out, then he’s doing fine. I’m not sure they will though. This will be a very, very telling year for me. Both with the offseason philosophy and the play of a lot of our young guys.
Min number?
Let’s say every question mark pans out: Freeman, McCoy, Price, Bowers, Clayborn, Benn, Foster. If that happened wouldn’t that make Miller the only person Dom drafted in the top 3 rounds to bust?
Did I miss anyone?
No
But as of now. Foster has done nothing and Benn has done less in 2 years than Micheal Clayton did in 1 year
I agree with that but
Foster was just a rookie in a tumultuous year with crappy linebackers next to him. I’m just going to totally reserve judgement on him. And Benn needs to have a stellar year next or I’m calling him a bust too.
I have a LOT of questions about most of these guys, but it is too early to call most of them busts or successes.
Im not calling them bust either
But outside of Clayborne , Williams and maybe GMC i cant see anyone who i would give a hit grade on. By hit i mean sure fire
I wouldn't give it to Williams or McCoy either yet
I think people are too quick to fire out hits and misses. We have a ton of gray area in these picks, and that’s been exacerbated by really poor coaching.
Yes
Thats the whole problem is this..Rah did not hire the coaches. Dom did. His players his coaches. His failures .
Morris had plenty to do with it too
He’s the guy that refused to give up the DC role unless they forced him, and gave Olson quite a few votes of confidence. He is not blameless. Nor is Dominik.
Now we have a GM
Who drafts so far seem EH? Who cant bring in a Free agent or keep one unless he over pays? And now he cant even get a coach he wants?
This year was a wash for Benn
It takes a season to come back from a torn ACL. he has next year to prove himself. The knock on him coming out of college was he was a physical specimen but lacked polish. I think that’s true and we’ve seen his lack of polish in route running specifically.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I love the Clayborn and Bowers picks
and I do enjoy watching Mason Foster play. I was speaking of the 2009 draft because it appears he bombed that draft.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
LOL
He drafted a punter that did not make it out of training camp. Enough said
Xavier Fulton, Kyle Moore, and Brent Bowden
could hardly be CFL guys.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
He's not the only one
You’re not going to hit on every pick. You can’t just look at the busts and go “He sucks”. You need to look at his entire body of work.
I said I love some of his picks
but his scrub picks greatly outweigh his good ones. I give credit for Williams in the 4th and still haven’t completely given up hope on Freeman. Point is look at the talent other teams picked after we passed on them for complete scrubs.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I am .
We were sold a team built threw the draft. 3 years into this plan and a team that is down 42-0 week 16?. cmon..Im a diehard Buc. I am also a realist
Yeah I drank Dominik's Kool Aid last year when he was front and center
taking all the credit for the 10-6 year. Since Rah got canned I accept that he wasn’t a legit head coach at this stage of his career but Dominik has shown nothing to say he’s any better.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
That's the worst game to judge anything on
As a realist.
I'm judging Dominik's 2009 and 10 drafts
and they look pretty bad at this point.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I'll gladly give you GMC but
the trade to acquire and make Kellen Winslow the highest paid tight end in NFL history could’ve been used on LeSean McCoy. I’m not trying to be a troll or a jerk here but if we won’t sign free agents and are building only through the draft than you must hit on over 25% of your picks.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
You can play the "could have used on" game with *every team in the NFL*
There’s almost always someone better who was drafted later. That just happens.
I wouldn't say that.
We just really needed some good free agents to go with those drafts. But if we can get our line to stay healthy, I really like them. Now we just need two additional LBs to back them up and to fix up our secondary.
But if we're not getting any free agents
we can’t pick people like Myron Lewis over Navorro Bowman and Jimmy Graham. I can go on and on with examples of horrible looking picks like Xavier Fulton, Dre Moore, Kyle Moore, and Roy Miller
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Well lets look at the hits than...
who do you consider to be a good to great pick since 09? We haven’t drafted a pro bowl player in the past three years bro!
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Pro Bowls are a terrible way to evaluate players
And, as usual, it’s too early to tell for a lot of players.
Ok well than All Pro players drafted
this gets voted by the AP and we drafted none of those either. I’m hoping Freeman turns this around but I highly doubt it at this point. If he ends up busting we haven’t drafted well enough to cover up for him, and that showed this year.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Lets talk above average for their position.
Who ya got?
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Dude like half of our 09 draft isn't even in the league as of today.
The 09 draft has been bad plain and simple. Dre Moore, Roy Miller, Kyle Moore, and Kellen Winslow after Freeman.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
You conveniently ignore E.J. Biggers, who has comfortably outplayed his draft status
Josh Freeman will be fine, but I can’t argue if you give him an incomplete. Kellen WInslow isn’t the greatest, but he has certainly produced here.
Dre Moore, Xavier Fulton and Kyle Moore were busts, but they were also late-round picks. Roy Miller is a backup DT who does decently against the run, probably disappointing for his draft status but not a huge problem.
Dom did not draft biggers did he?
I could be wrong
That was a good pick then
I like Biggers and think he is a better CB than he is given credit for. I think he would be an aif the above avg corner if the Bucs would put more pressure on the QB. Right now its hard to evaluate the dbs. Execpt to say that Jones sucks . For the simple fact they might all look much better with presure. I believe Talib might look like an elite CB .
uhg sorry the line in there
i think he would be an above avg
See it's not easy to name many above average players at their respective positions
Dominik has drafted as of today. I realize it’s too early for some picks, but the 09 class is pathetic
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Those are fair game and would give a more accurate picture.
Even the 49ers, second Saints, and the Texans games.
What team hits on 100% of their draft?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
No one..
How many players in 3 drafts can u say he has hit on though? 5 or 6?
Has Dominik drafted one pro bowler in what 24 picks?
No not even close
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What 8 are you saying we hit on?
I’ll give an incomplete on GMC, Freeman, and Price and a passing grade on Mike Williams. Clayborn and Bowers appear to be hits but obviously we’ve seen how the sophomore slump quickly changes how we feel about certain players. Foster was a possible hit and besides those guys who else have we hit on? I’ll laugh in your face if you try and tell me Rejus Benn and Luke Stocker are hits!
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Foster, Clayborn, Bowers, Free, Williams
besides that no one has panned out! GMC and Price have potential but not worthy of their selections as of today. I still have hope they turn things around but we’re half way through Price’s rookie contract at this point and 40% done with McCoy’s and have next to nothing to show for them. I’m not saying they are busts, I’m just saying as of now they can’t be called hits
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LOL thanks 69
appreciate that because I’m not in chipper mood. Last time I felt like this I got banned for a few weeks so not trying to go down that road again.
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Well its like this
Just because they are on the roster means nothing. Man we not lost 10 in a row. We were destroyed.. This team could NOT stop a screen pass. How sad is that. A screen pass in the NFL should be a nothing play. Every time i saw our opp set up a screen. I would think to myself ‘’OH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN’’ ,,
Kind of handicapping me then.
Clayborn and Bowers I really like and should be great. Freeman’s talent is real, just needs to be coached back and given a proper offense. Same for Williams. I have to give Price credit. He did very well considering what shape he was in. GMC does need to prove he can stay healthy.
Those were 6 on my list.
I also like the Stroughter and Grimm. Stroughter will never start, but he’s good in the slot and as depth. Grimm was solid, especially for late. Injuries might have changed that though. So 7. Miscounted there unless I forgot someone.
For 7th rounders they need to contribute on special teams
if they can’t start. Grimm was a decent pick but what other teams would sign him if we didn’t take him? Stroughter sucks plain and simple.
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if they can't be servicable depth instead of start
which I suppose I’ll give you serviceable depth, but this would also depend who you ask. If we had any other GM but Dom, I would guarantee that neither end up resigned once their rookie deals expire.
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I disagree.
Stroughter contributed a lot before Parker came up. He made several key plays in games we’ve played. He did nothing this year because he was injured.
Williams, Briscoe, Benn, Parker, and than Stroughter
is how I rank our guys. The fifth best receiver on a passing attack as inept as ours was isn’t saying much.
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Depends who you ask.
I say as long as Olson was our coordinator, our offense would have looked terrible with Moss and Rice in their prime.
He had like 300 yards all year in 09?
Sorry but this is adequate for a 4-12 team. Stroughter isn’t making many other rosters in the NFL man.
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haha I hated Olson more than I do Dominik
so I will give you that Moss and Rice would’ve had substantially lower numbers if they played for Ollie.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Not only did he hire him... he promoted him
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
and Bates
Dom hired all the possision coaches.
I almost feel bad for Blaine Gabbert
he looked like a lost deer until he played us, but now he will be working with Ollie and will fade into bust range this year. Poor kid!
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I disagree with your 7th round rules of evaluation
Might be special teamers, but could just as easily be taking a hail mary chance on a guy who isn’t likely to work out but if he does would be a steal. I’m not going to sweat 7th round busts. I think evaluating the top 3-4 rounds strictly is fair, and beyond that you get bonus points for successes but no big expectations on them.
If we were signing free agents to sprinkle in then yeah we could afford to throw out lines hoping to hit a big one late in the draft.
Problem is when we miss on those guys and don’t sign anyone else but practice squad fodder the 2011 Bucs are what you get after years of drafting scrubs and not finding suitable replacements.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Dominik said that in their meetings he said that "his heart is in College Football and Oregon..."
I don’t doubt there was an interview this week, and it went well, and intrigued Kelly.
I think the reports of the contract negotiations got blown out of proportion greatly though. My guess is that as they started talking specifics, Kelly realised it wasn’t what he really wanted.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jan 23, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Who cares what he said.
He also said that last years team would be the most physical team in Buccaneer history. Most physically inept possibly, but far from most physical in team history
Can't afford to screw up this draft also Dominik.
Dominik draft blunders. Illustrates our pick whom Dominik decided was better than (>) in the same round.
2009 rd 2 Winslow (traded our pick to acquire and make leagues highest paid TE) > LeSean McCoy, rd 3 Roy Miller > Mike Wallace, LaDarius Webb, Jared Cook, rd 4 Kyle Moore > Johnie Knox, rd 5 Xavier Fulton > Jason McCourty
2010 rd 2 B Price, Arrelious Benn > Rob Gronkowski, Javier Arenas, Carlos Dunlap, Sean Lee, Ben Tate, Pat Angerer. rd 3 Myron Lewis > Emmanuel Sanders, Navorro Bowman, Jimmy Graham. rd 4 Mike Will (good pick) rd 5 No pick thanks to Winslow trade, rd 6 Brent Bowden > Antonio Brown. Not to mention 5 year 25-30 mil Michael Clayton, 4 year 17 mil Derek Ward.
Don't worry, the Bucs wil find another cheap coach in the college ranks to hire
First Jeff Fisher and Wade Phillips did not like the situation, and withdrew their names. Now Chip Kelly gets an offer, and he decides to stay in college football! The GM states that “his heart was not in it.” That is a true statement. Why would anyone want to take a job working for the lowest payroll in the NFL? That is why the Bucs are having trouble getting anyone to take the job. When you are hamstrung by cheap owners, who keep talking about spending but doing nothing to change the situation, you are going to be stuck with some sub par coach. It is a miracle that someone like Marty Schottenheimer who has won in the past would even be willing to consider such a job. Of course, at 70, he is not a long term solution. It appears we are going to have a terrible team for anoher few years at least, with little hope in sight as no one they are interviewing gets my hopes up. More of the same “cheap” coaching options from the college ranks and no pro experience – that is what we are going to see in the drivers seat.
If you are trying to say Chip Kelly was going to be a cheap option..
you are dead wrong.
by RuudAwakening on Jan 23, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously, he was the priciest coach of any of the leaked names I'd guess
That is the only silver lining in this. Glazers finally seem ready to spend. Hopefully it extends to free agency as well.
Hopefully it doesn't go to resigning our scrubs like Hayes and Jones
and goes to legit players worthy of a big contract. DeSean & Vincent Jackson would be a start. If their really frisky maybe we can hope for Laron Landry and Cortland Finnegan but I highly doubt it.
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Hayes and Jones need to both walk
Worried about Landry’s achilles. Finnegan should be our top target. Vincent Jackson sounds good. I’m not sold of DeSean Jackson. A third Jackson I like is D’Qwell Jackson. He would be a perfect fit here. I think him and Finnegan should be the top 2 targets.
I had D'Qwell as my fantasy linebacker for a few weeks
Isn’t he a natural born Floridian? He would be a sweet pickup though.
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I'd love it if we brought him in
I’d even take Tulloch anyone but Black and Hayes again really.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Geno
Will be the highest paid linebacker in the NFL..SMH
Well Dom gave Black a 5 year 30 million dollar extension
so Hayes could conceivably be worth 5 years for 45-50mil based on Dominik’s talent evaluation
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Yes!!
Well after all he is 4 years yunger . makes him YUNGRIER or would that be more YUNGRY .. Cant believe they made Yungry caps.
Lol they didn't actually try to sell those things did they?
I made one at one of those sweet stores at Citrus Park just to be funny and I didn’t have any black hats.
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I dont know if they tried to sell them
I just shook my head in disbelief that they took a word that was mispronouced in a press conf and trade marked it and wanted to market it. That is like saying ‘’ Hey you , Im selling stupidity. Would u like to buy some’’
Dude this is America
Stupidity is always a hot commodity one way or another
by GoBuxGo on Jan 23, 2012 10:38 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah I've already left it on the floor of Dagwoods
or whatever that little bar in Town and Country is called.
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Hiring Sherman would be the last straw in my book
I won’t pay to go to a home game and watch us get slaughtered. Pretty bad when away teams fans take over a home stadium.
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He has done nothing to warrant another NFL job
at all. Texas A & M plays in the scrub Big 12, who has been on down years the last few seasons and he couldn’t even get them into respectability. Between their backs and Tannehill they had the talent to win that conference or at least be close to Oklahoma State. Imagine if Texas and Oklahoma would’ve been up to their usual levels and A & M is even worse.
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He did a good job in Green Bay
College isn’t the NFL, but it’s not like he was horrible there either.
Brent Favor
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
That helps, yes
He still did a good job there. Everyone seems to think he was some huge bust who can’t do anything right. It’s ridiculous.
It doesn't sound like anyone else in the NFL wants Sherman
If he gets hired I’ll break down and support him but between him and Chilly I can’t get excited for Buc football
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Sherman is not high on my list but he is light years ahead of Chilly
Chilly is the only “NO FREAKING WAY” guy interviewed that I know of.
I don't know I just feel insulted as a Buc fan
Chip Kelly really got my hopes up and now that he doesn’t even want to coach us it’s obvious how bad the franchise has been ran for the past few years. Hiring Sherman over Zimmer or even Chudzinski just puts a exclamation point to the mediocrity we are.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I think you're way overreacting to what has happened recently
That’s normal in sports, but this franchise wasn’t horribly run just because of what happened the past two months.
I've spent some hard earned dough to try and support the cause man...
And I see that my money doesn’t go back into the team, it funds Manchester United who I have absolutely zero interest in.
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Well see yeah I know nothing about soccer I admit
but I know my money isn’t going towards improving the Bucs.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I agree they've badly underspent the last few years
but the Chip Kelly thing is actually good news on that front. He would have been a very expensive coach. Maybe they’re ready to finally spend this offseason.
Forbes top 3 in value.
1. Man U
2. Dallas Cowboys
3. New York Yankees.
You must realize
just how much money Man U pulls in. It could EASILY fun itself.
No money goes into Manchester United
Money goes out of Manchester United. I don’t know where that myth keeps coming from, but it’s absolute nonsense.
Ok I was wrong my money I spend to attend Bucs games
doesn’t go to Man U. I get that, I was wrong. Do you see where the money goes towards improving the Bucs? It goes to scrubs like Quincy Black and Jeremy Trueblood. At least Trueblood interacts with his Twitter followers I guess.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
Hell ill tweet everyone
For half of what he makes.
Yeah I was being sarastic
I could care less but it was the best way to be positive about where our money goes.
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Yeah i know
Ive been a Bucs fan since 76 this is the most disgusted ive ever been.
If it makes it any better.
Half of Trueblood’s contract was investment toward Joseph.
Certainly does make it better to me
and if keeping Davin for the next 6 years meant bringing back Trueblood for 2 than fine by me.
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I can't name one team in the NFL that wouldn't represent at least 30-40% of the fans at our games.
If we play the Packers, Patriots, Steelers, or Cowboys, I’d say that number is closer to 50%.
by Bucs on Jan 23, 2012 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You are saying that most teams we play that Ray Jay is
like 60/70% Buc fans and the remainder the opponents. And when we play popular teams that the stadium is 50/50 right? I was outnumbered and embarrased in the end zone opposite the ship this year by Cowboy fans. Because we were so bad they felt sorry for me more than continue to harass me by halftime.
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Given the chance
Dal and Pit fans will outnumber any other fan base. Probably GB as well.
Look on YouTube how 49er or Raider fans support their teams
Than go to Ray Jay and see other teams fans knowing that our team is horrible and has no chance. Our fans have spoken and given up on the team, just like they gave up on us. It’s embarrasing that our home field advantage is so bad, but I also understand why it is that way. Ownership!
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Hahaha, I stand corrected.
It sucks to be a Bucs fan.
by Bucs on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Crazy and immature yes! But I would fear wearing pewter to those stadiums.
Other teams fans come to Ray Jay and have a good ol time at our expense!
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YEEEEEEHAAAAAWWWWW
I LOVE MY DUCKS!
GO BLAZERS!!!GO DUCKS!!!!GO RAIDERS!!!!AND PANTHERS!!!!GO YANKEES!!!!!
Matt Barkley is going to pwn you this year
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
If we go from Chip Kelly to Marty or Sherman, ugggggggh.
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Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
B/R article has a poll did Chip Kelly make the right choice. 83% of 750+ votes say yes!
this is how we are viewed nationally/worldwide.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
You are reading that wrong.
The poll has more to do about Oregon fans wanting him to come back. Most feared their program would rapidly decline without him.
My bad I'm just gonna bounce for the day I had no sleep
b/c damn Chip Kelly had me so excited.
Good luck Rah. Bring us Mo Claiborne and replace Geno, Quincy, and Sean Jones!
I believe we will now focus on Chud.
I looks like the “Glazed Donuts” are focusing on an offensive minded HC, and what a way to stunt the growth of Cam Newton. I say kill two birds.
i think its a good thing Bucs didnt get Chip Kelly
Honestly i dont think Chip is the type of coach to do well in the NFL. Just one of the many only successful in college types. The man doesnt even run a protypical NFL offense! Unless he has Tebow his spread would get burned by good defenses in this league.
The Bucs should go after Jay Gruden! Now that would be cool.
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by Giants49war on Jan 23, 2012 3:02 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Gruden has already turned down interviews with the Rams and Raiders (I think it was the Raiders)
He doesn’t want to leave Cincy.
Also, Tebow would be a terrible fit for Kelly’s spread offense. But what Kelly would bring to the NFL wouldn’t be the same as what he ran at Oregon. What he runs at Oregon isn’t what he ran at New Hampshire, either. There are a few basic philosophies underlying his style of play that do translate to the NFL: playing at a very high tempo, putting a lot of stress on the defense and using play-action/misdirection to get stuff done.
You don’t have to be prototypical in the NFL to succeed.
How Many College Coaches
with no experience in the NFL as coach or player have done really well when they jump to a HC position in the NFL? Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer come to mind (though even they might have played in the NFL, I don’t care enough to look it up). And of the few that have, how many ran an offense in college that was totally different than most successful NFL offenses? None that I know of.
So I’m not unhappy with losing Kelly except that I think we’re really looking bad as an organization when so many coaches don’t seem interested. Really good organizations with good reputations within the coaching profession don’t get rejected as often as we have. If Bill Bellichick were to quit, does anyone think the Pats would have any problem finding a new HC? Hell no, every coach in the country would jump at a chance to work in that kind of an organization.
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