AFC Championship Open Thread: Ravens at Patriots
by Sander on Jan 22, 2012 2:30 PM EST
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PrintIt's Conference Championship Sunday. First up: Baltimore Ravens vs New England Patriots for the Lamar Hunt Trophy. Can the Patriots slice and dice the Ravens' defense as they've been able to slice and dice every other defense? Can Joe Flacco and his receivers take advantage of a very weak New England defense?
Discuss the game, the playoffs, the Bucs, the coaching search and whatever else here.
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Yeah man, football!!!!! Pats got this one.
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by Bucfan on Jan 22, 2012 2:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm hoping the Ravens win it.
I would be unable to watch ESPN for the next few weeks if Tom Brady made it back to the super bowl. It would be worse than Tebow mania.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jan 22, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I am unable to watch espn period so don't care
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree, I think they need to air it out and abandon the run asap.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
if flacco doesn't get 300 passing yards or more
this game is over before it begins.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Then we know the outcome.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ravens key to win
Flaco steps up and the O finishes drives and that the d gets pressure do that and they win
by Jediel3 on Jan 22, 2012 2:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm pretty sure the ravens key to win is scoring more points then the patriots
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I want the ravens to win, but we all know who will be the winner today
the tight ends
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ravens chances
Are much better if Brady is on the sideline. No one wants to get into a shootout with Brady. They need to get Rice going and take the time off the clock and make flacco throws easier by having the safeties come up
by gusjackson on Jan 22, 2012 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the Patriots win another Superbowl
I might just shoot myself, for real.
Why can’t the Bucs be that succesful?
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:22 PM EST reply actions
It's about hiring the right coach and GM
Plus understanding that QB play is more important then anything, and making sure that is developed.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, many valid points.
Not many premium coaching choices out there at the moment.
At least we have Freeman, that’s some good potential right there. If only we had the right guy to show him the ropes. I was hoping we could grab Philbin or Clements, but now that seems unlikely.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Bellicheck wasn't considered by many to be premium.
He failed in cleveland and was just a coordinator.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
exactly, if we go with a defensive minded coach we are basically throwing freeman away.
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Defense is something we need to fix though
Freeman won’t be scoring 30+ for us anytime soon. Brees, Cam, and Ryan can do that on us easily though.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think he can with the right HC and OC
He can make any throw, there is no reason he can’t do this.
Find someone smart enough to let him go no huddle shotgun, and a HC that beats the WR if they give up on routes.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I'm not arguing whether Freeman CAN score 30+...
he is missing some weapons though. Like an atual speedy reciever, a third down back that isn’t named Lumpkin, and an offensive line that doesn’t crumble in two seconds. Statistically, we didn’t give up too many sacks, but a lot of that has to do with Freeman’s mobility.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
what's the precentage of those hurrys and sacks that came when he wasn't in the shotgun/no huddle
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
you got me there
I don’t even know where to start to find that info. hehehe
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
if that's true we need a new line, or at least a line coach/scheme
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Patriots defense is hot
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 22, 2012 3:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Flacco can't throw and running the ball doesn't work in the playoffs anymore.
They are done.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Its not just here its what gets you here too. Texans got here doing that ravens too
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 22, 2012 3:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'd rather win in the post season then be one and done. We did that with gruden for half a decade.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
But its not easy getting here, no matter how you look at it those one and done teams are in way better place for next year
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 22, 2012 3:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't think they are. Running backs need to be replaced every 5 years. and you continually draft in the low first round
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
eh
besides the team that wins the Superbowl, losing in the playoffs just means you get a later draft pick. I’m kinda glad we get to pick at 5, we have the opportunity to bring in an exciting young player. I have my fingers crossed for Claiborne. I won’t be mad if we can land Blackmon though.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
running the ball does work in the playoffs.
you have to have a good balance
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
does it?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
The Patriots are running pretty well right now.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jan 22, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
why is that btw.
Because they have a great running game or because their absurd passing game is forcing the ravens to ignore it, and bellicheck is smart enough to realize this.
If the ravens could stop the pass, the pats couldnt run
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well there you go
It does work in the playoffs, you just need to have a good game passing.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jan 22, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
i think that was his main point to begin with
throw to set up the pass
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
throw to set up the run i mean...
confused it with the old saying
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
bill
Was a defensive minded coach. I don’t care what mind they are. I want a guy who come in and work with what we have and put pressure on the owners to make moves in free agency
by gusjackson on Jan 22, 2012 4:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
bill
Was a defensive minded coach. I just want someone smart this time around
by gusjackson on Jan 22, 2012 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We need to draft a new secondary. Stop the pass, and develop a passing game of our own.
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what's your take on Tanard and Talib if innocent?
keep ’em or not?
Personally, I think both are expendable, the question is, do you want to put more holes on a team that has so many.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not right now, we can't afford to cut those guys
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 22, 2012 3:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
yeah
that’s what I was thinking too. It’ll be a shame when Talib goes, such a waste of talent.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, it's sad.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Talib is a top end talent but he's on his way to an early exit
if he doesnt get convicted this time, it’s only a matter of time before he f’s up again.
Tanard is fine if he can figure out how to tackle again.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think Talib would have any trade value?
If the Bucs signed a guy like Finnegan and have Claiborne drop to them, Do you think we might be able to get any draft picks for Talib or is that a stupid idea?
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jan 22, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think we could get anything out of him
I say we cross our fingers and mabe he can turn a new leaf
Well I was just thinking He still has very high talent.
Maybe there is a team who thinks they can keep him out of trouble.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jan 22, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
he's worth a 4th rounder if declared innocent.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Compare Santonio Holmes
One-year contract, four-game drug suspension, garnered just a fifth rounder.
CBs are more of a premium, I'm sticking to a 4th
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
no denying he has talent
but teams are wary of his personal issues, plus, the mere fact that they know Tampa Bay just wants to unload him gives them the upper hand in negotiations. Think of it this way, if you knew you could buy a product for cheaper than labled, why not?
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
no trade value
until he is declared innocent, and even after that happens, IF that is indeed the case, his trade stock is going to be much lower than it normally would be.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well of course he would have to be ruled innocent
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jan 22, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
to the bengals maybe
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 22, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
bruce allen is the worst
good team to steal picks from
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hope we abandon the tampa 2 now that we have to rebuild our backfield from scratch.
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i would like to see us go back to the tampa 2
Against passing offenses its one of the best to use.
by gusjackson on Jan 22, 2012 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
then half a season of suspension
at least
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
If he's convicted at all he's going to get suspended for a long time, regardless of the punishment by the courts
And there’s no way Dominik keeps him on the roster if he’s convicted.
plus the new coach might want to make an example of him anyways
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
ravens have to respect their passing game
leaves huge holes for a RB
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 22, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Pass first, stop the pass first
I
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He's consistently inconsistent
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
by RookTakesYou on Jan 22, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
it happens to a lot of players, inconsistency
Matt Ryan does it too
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
boldin!!!!!!!!!!!
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 22, 2012 4:05 PM EST reply actions
Tie game
Come on Ravens, spare us from yet another Patriots Super Bowl.
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
I'd love to see Ray win another one.
He’d probably retire though.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
that'd be cool
but then nobody would ever get off the subject of who’s the better Manning brother.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
no, no, and more no
It’s not Peyton’s fault his defense is piss poor, no one performs surgery on a defense like Peyton.
by number40ismyhero on Jan 22, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
better in an idiot savant kind of way
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 22, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I could handle anyone except the Patriots
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
by RookTakesYou on Jan 22, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
the Ravens
Have to get their running game going. That defense has to be exhausted right now with the pace Brady is going at. The last thing they can do is go 3 and out here
by gusjackson on Jan 22, 2012 5:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lee Evans catching passes
Where was that all season?
One thing I notice in Flacco is that after he avoids a sack, he just throws the ball away instead of re-setting and looking downfield.
We need speed at the wr position like that,
by Jediel3 on Jan 22, 2012 5:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
judas priest does not make a mini van any cooler
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 22, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions
He makes me mad because he's so slow.
How the hell can his fragile ass QB sneak on that defense?
Oderint dum metuant
There's almost no time left
Can’t play the field position game now, especially when that’s going to be a gain of like 25 yards against this offense.
They said he was struggling to make it from that distance.
If he can’t make it from there, then I don’t mind them going for it.
Oderint dum metuant
Ed reed is so right about flacco and how he plays
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 22, 2012 6:06 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Did Tebow start playing for the Patriots?
No way he missed that. I can’t believe that.
Oderint dum metuant
That's a crappy way to win.
I’m so mad that the Patriots won, this ruins my day.
Oderint dum metuant
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