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January Mock Draft, Three Rounds


The regular season is over, Raheem Morris and his supporting cast have been shown the door, and the next era in Bucs football begins now. With the number 5 overall pick, the Bucs are well positioned to bring in a promising class of rookies in 2012. So what will this draft look like?

When I mock a draft, I try to keep each team's needs at the forefront of my mind, as well as their historic drafting techniques. For example, if a team tends to stick to BVA regardless of need, I try to reflect that in my choice. So I was quite surprised with the draft I came up with here. The Bucs luck out with all three of their picks. Now I may face accusations that I'm being a homer or unrealistic with my picks, and I'm happy to address any criticisms. But please bear in mind that I was trying to address each team's needs one after the other, with no (conscious) intent to spin the draft in the Bucs' favor. Also remember that not every player mocked here has declared yet, and some may opt to stay in school. Regardless, this mock draft gave me hope that the Bucs will walk away from the real draft as winners.

A few notes: I usually don't include trades, but I've included one here. St. Louis trades away its pick to Washington. I think that either St. Louis or Minnesota will do this (I expect Miami and Seattle to vie for RG3 as well), and St. Louis seems like the likelier candidate due to 1) its higher pick and 2) its more comprehensive needs across the board. What they'll trade to get the pick is subject to speculation, but a second round pick and next year's first round pick seems more than fair to move up 4 spots. Also, there are two ties where a coin-flip will determine draft order (Carolina/Miami and Kansas City/Seattle): reality may differ from my own coin-flip, naturally.

Thoughts and comments are always welcome.

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1. Indianapolis Colts

Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford

Yes, it's possible they could trade out the spot for a king's ransom. But I don't think there's a team willing to give up what they'd ask, and the opportunity to take the franchise QB of their future will be too tempting.

TRADE: St. Louis Rams trades the #2 overall pick to the Washington Redskins for Washington's 1st round pick (#6 overall), 2nd round pick (#38 overall), and 2013 1st round pick.

2. Washington Redskins (via St. Louis Rams)

Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor

One team that has even more holes to fill than the Buccaneers is St. Louis. If they can find a trade partner and pick up some extra picks, it's likely they'll trade out of the spot (the same applies to Minnesota). Washington needs a franchise QB more than any other team, and they're historically unafraid to make big moves.

3. Minnesota Vikings

Matt Kalil, OT, USC

The Vikes could go in several directions, but a foundation left tackle like Kalil is too tempting a prize to pass up.

4. Cleveland Browns

Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

With RG3 off the board, there's no QB to tempt the Browns away from Colt McCoy worth a #4 pick. Whoever ends up taking snaps in Cleveland, they need some weapons on offense in the worst way. Richardson might tempt them, but adding a real option at WR will probably be their best play.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU

The consensus top target of the Bucs, he falls to us at #5 in this scenario. It's not guaranteed that this will happen- but if St. Louis or Minnesota trades down and the other team takes Kalil, our chances just got a lot better: Cleveland is unlikely to take another CB this high and has other key needs to address.

6. St. Louis Rams (via Washington Redskins)

Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford

Martin's a good consolation prize in place of Kalil- the Rams need to move on from Jason Smith, and Martin projects as a long term quality left tackle.

7. Jacksonville Jaguars

Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina

Jeffery's draft stock has dropped a bit this year, but the combine will likely send him moving upwards again. Jacksonville needs new receivers in the worst way possible.

8. Carolina Panthers

Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama

The Panthers could also opt to upgrade the O-line, but their pass defense has been major weakness when they play teams that aren't the 2011 Bucs. Kirkpatrick at Carolina and Claiborne at Tampa Bay could set up a long-term rivalry between the two.

9. Miami Dolphins

David DeCastro, G, Stanford

Riley Reiff or Courtney Upshaw are other prospects that would make sense for Miami (assuming they don't beat Washington in the trade up for RG3), but they need a solid interior lineman and DeCastro is a phenomenal prospect.

10. Buffalo Bills

Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama

The Bills need pass rush in the worst way. Upshaw would help solidify their 3-4 scheme.

11. Kansas City Chiefs

Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa

O-line is the Chiefs' most glaring weakness and Reiff is an excellent value at #11.

12. Seattle Seahawks

Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina

Coples is a versatile pass rusher who could provide an immediate upgrade for Seattle's front four.

13. Arizona Cardinals

Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College

Stewart Bradley is likely to be cut this offseason, and Kuechly could provide an instant upgrade and a huge value at #13 as BPA.

14. Dallas Cowboys

Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska

Dallas needs secondary help in the worst way and Dennard has been steadily rising up draft boards all season long- it's no longer a stretch to project him in the top 15.

15. Philadelphia Eagles

Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame

DeSean Jackson's career in Philadelphia is over, and the Eagles will be looking for a new receiver. Floyd would be a perfect fit. Zach Brown or Vontaze Burfist would be other options if the Eagles decide to address their woeful situation at linebacker instead.

16. New York Jets

Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois

The Jets need help with their pass rush and Mercilus (What a name! Did he study with Cobra Kai?) has the size and speed to be an excellent 3-4 OLB.

17. Cincinnati Bengals (via Oakland Raiders)

Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama

Isn't it strange to see Cincy picking this late? And this isn't even their position, it's the pick they got from Oakland! Jenkins may have serious off-the-field issues, but Cincinnati has traditionally tolerated antics in return for solid play.
Jenkins has tremendous talent and the Bengals need a replacement for the departed Jonathan Joseph.

18. San Diego Chargers

Cordy Glenn, OT/G, Georgia

San Diego's O-line is in tatters, with guard Kris Dielman considering retirement, left tackle Marcus McNeill suffering consistent injuries and possibly requiring neck surgery this offseason, and center Nick Hardwick set to be a free agent. Glenn is the kind of versatile lineman the Chargers could really use right now, capable of playing several positions including left tackle.

19. Chicago Bears

Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina

The Bears could use some help generating pass rush and Israel Idonije is a free agent this season. Ingram is an excellent needs/value pick for Chicago here.

20. Tennessee Titans

Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin

The Titans' O-line has been abysmal all season long. Drafting Konz would give Tennessee a top talent in the middle and would allow them to shift Eugene Amano to left guard, effectively upgrading both positions.

21. Denver Broncos

Devon Still, DT, Penn State

Though there's a possibility that Elway and Fox will gamble on drafting a non-Tebow QB or take Trent Richardson, Still makes more sense overall. They need an interior force on their D-line and Still projects well to that role.

22. New York Giants

Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona State

The Giants always go for BVA, Burfict falls down draft boards due to a disappointing senior season, and New York coincidentally needs a middle linebacker badly. Zach Brown or Trent Richardson are other viable options here.

23. Cincinnati Bengals

Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama

I could very easily be entirely off about how far Richardson will fall, but there's was no team so far that clearly needed a top RB over all other needs (Denver and New York were the closest I came before here)- note that this is still higher than Mark Ingram went last year. Adding Richardson to an offense that already features Andy Dalton and A.J.Green could keep the Bengals in contention for a long time.

24. Detroit Lions

Barrett Jones, OT, Alabama

The Lions need help at left tackle- Jones could be the solution

25. Cleveland Browns (via Atlanta Falcons)

Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma

If Jones declares, Cleveland will take a gamble on him if he falls to their second first round pick.

26. Houston Texans

Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington

Shaun Cody has been serviceable for Houston, but the Texans need a long-term true nose tackle to serve as the core of their D-line. Ta'amu would be an excellent match for them with a good needs-value ratio.

27. Pittsburgh Steelers

Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama

With Farrier possibly retiring, the Steelers need to address ILB. Hightower is a good value here and shouldn't jar too much with their mindset of BVA.

28. San Francisco 49ers

Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia

CB is arguably San Francisco's biggest need and Minnifield is a good value late in the first round.

29. New England Patriots

Brandon Jenkins, DE/OLB, Florida State

New England is so tough to mock for, because they almost inevitably trade away one of their top picks for future picks. With that porous secondary I could easily see them taking Stephon Gilmore, T.J. McDonald, or Mark Barron. But Jenkins is too big a talent and the pass rush too much of a liability for the Patriots to pass on taking him. Until they trade away the pick, of course.

30. New England Patriots (via New Orleans Saints)

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

But wait! New England gets two picks in a row. Patrick Chung can't do it alone- look for New England to take a safety early in this draft.

31. Baltimore Ravens

Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC

The Ravens draft for BVA and Perry has great upside. Baltimore could use a complement for Suggs.

32. Green Bay Packers

Vinny Curry, DE/OLB, Marshall

Eric Walden has been inconsistent and Matthews has been double-teamed, limiting his effectiveness. Green Bay could really use another playmaking OLB to line up across from him, and Curry would fit that bill nicely.

Second Round

33. Indianapolis Colts

Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina

The Colts' secondary was hideous this past year- Gilmore would be a great value at the top of the second round.

34. St. Louis Rams

Jayron Hosley, CB, Virginia Tech

Cornerback or wide receiver? With the top CB prospects flying off the board, I think that the Rams would take a CB first.

35. Minnesota Vikings

Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt

Speaking of which...Hayward might be a slight stretch here, but the Vikings need a cornerback badly and can't wait another round if they want one of the remaining top 10 CBs (seven gone already!).

36. Cleveland Browns

Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State

The Browns need help at both right tackle and left guard. Adams, the former Ohio State standout, would be an excellent match for their needs.

37. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina

I swear I didn't plan it this way- but if Brown falls to the Bucs at the top of the second (and there's a chance it could happen, especially if both the Eagles and Giants pass), there's no question that we would need to snatch him up and thank whatever deities we may believe in. Brown is arguably the top 4-3 OLB in the draft and could be an instant start at either Will or Sam.

38. St. Louis Rams (via Washington Redskins)

Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina

Speaking of teams that benefit from Tarheels dropping below their ranking on the big boards.....the Rams need help at receiver badly and Jones has a ton of potential.

39. Jacksonville Jaguars

Andre Branch, DE, Clemson

The Jags' defense did well in 2011, despite their record, but they need some consistent pass rush.

40. Carolina Panthers

Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor

It can't be all Steve Smith, all the time- the Panthers need more options at WR.

41. Miami Dolphins

Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

Miami may make a play for Matt Flynn in FA, or they may stick with Matt Moore and Chad Henne- or they might sell the farm to trade up (as Washington did in this mock) for RG3. Regardless, I think they'll draft a QB at some point and if Tannehill is available in the second round, I think they'll pull the trigger.

42. Buffalo Bills

Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers

The Bills are in desperate need of a receiver besides Steve Johnson. Sanu, who has been the core of the Rutgers offense, would be a huge asset for Buffalo.

43. Kansas City Chiefs

Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State

Two offensive linemen in a row for the Chiefs? They could use the help that badly, and Osemele is a great value here- likely he'd be plugged into the RT position at Kansas City. RB or TE are other possibilities, but better values can be found in later rounds.

44. Seattle Seahawks

Ronnell Lewis, OLB/DE, Oklahoma

Seattle could take a RB or even a QB here, but can probably wait another round for either without slipping too far. Lewis is a great value with the speed to function well in Pete Carroll's hybrid schemes.

45. Philadelphia Eagles (via Arizona Cardinals)

Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska

The linebacking corps was the Achilles' heel of the "Dream Team"- an improved run defense is paramount to Philly's future success. David has excellent speed, instincts, and tackling technique- it weren't for his being slightly undersized, he'd probably be considered a first round pick.

46. Dallas Cowboys

Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin

The Cowboys need some interior line help, and Zeitler's a good value midway through the second. Safety (T.J. McDonald) is another possibility.

47. Philadelphia Eagles

Kevin Reddick, ILB, North Carolina

Philly needs to add a Mike as well, and Reddick is the best value available at that position: great instincts and technique, with the sideline-to-sideline capability that will allow him to be a threat as a pass rusher as well.

48. New York Jets

Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa

McNutt is a sleeper prospect whose stock may rocket upwards after the combine. The Jets need an explosive playmaker at WR.

49. New England Patriots (via Oakland Raiders)

Billy Winn, DE/DT, Boise State

Defense, defense, defense is the mantra for the Patriots this year: Winn would work well as a 3-4 5-technique for the Pats.

50. San Diego Chargers

Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson

Gates is aging fast and Allen would be a steal halfway through the second round.

51. Chicago Bears

Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin

The Bears still lack a true playmaker at WR. If Toon is available late in the second round, they won't hesitate to jump- he has the size and skills to be their long term #1 receiver.

52. Tennessee Titans

Shea McClellin, DE, Boise State

The Titans need to improve their pass rush, and McClellin is one of the top players available.

53. Denver Broncos

Lamar Miller, RB, Miami

The Broncos wait to pick up a RB- and Miller falls into their laps anyway. Tebow & Miller are a rushing matchup that would give defensive coordinators fits.

54. New York Giants

Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson

DT doesn't seem like the biggest need area for the Giants, but their policy of BVA argues that he's their choice here.

55. Cincinnati Bengals

Ryan Miller, G, Colorado

Cincy's interior line is weak and the Bengals need to protect their young QB- Miller's a good value for them here.

56. Detroit Lions

Micah Hyde, CB, Iowa

Detroit needs help in the secondary. If Hyde declares, he'd be a great choice for the Lions.

57. Atlanta Falcons

Nate Potter, OT, Boise State

Sam Baker hasn't panned out for Atlanta. Potter's a good bargain for a team starting its draft in the late second round.

58. Houston Texans

Tommy Streeter, WR, Miami

The Texans need a #2 receiver to take some pressure off Andre Johnson. Streeter's a tall and lanky (6'5", 215 lbs.) receiver who's a legitimate deep threat. Adding him would cause coverage nightmares for the Texans' opponents.

59. Pittsburgh Steelers

Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis

BVA matches needs again for Pittsburgh, who need to draft their next nose tackle.

60. San Francisco 49ers

T.J. McDonald, S, USC

Cornerback first, safety next- San Francisco's draft is all about improving the secondary, and McDonald's an excellent value here.

61. New England Patriots

Rueben Randle, WR, LSU

It's safe to say that the Ochocinco experiment is over in New England. It's tempting to give them another safety here, but with both Branch and Ochocinco close to retirement and Wes Welker a free agent, the Patriots need some young receivers.

62. New Orleans Saints

Travis Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma

The Saints luck out by have a good pick at a key position of need fall to their first selection deep in the late second round. Lewis has been slow since coming back early after an injury, but he should help New Orleans stop the run.

63. Baltimore Ravens

Ben Jones, C, Georgia

The Ravens need a new center, and the bottom of the second is an ideal place to grab Jones, the projected #3 center in the draft.

64. Green Bay Packers

Derek Wolfe, DT/DE, Cincinnati

Neal's injury and Jenkins' departure have made depth at 5-technique a priority for Green Bay.

Third Round

65. Indianapolis Colts

Robert Lester, S, Alabama

Indy's secondary gets another infusion of life with Lester, an excellent value at the top of the third round.

66. St. Louis Rams

Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State

A great bargain pick for St. Louis, Worthy would instantly improve the Rams' interior pass rush.

67. Minnesota Vikings

Ryan Broyles, WR/PR, Oklahoma

Minnesota will look to add another option at WR in the draft. If Broyles recovers from a torn ACL in time to have a strong combine, the Vikes would be happy to take him at the top of the third round.

68. Cleveland Browns

Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma

Next up in priority for the Browns is either a DE, WLB, or G. Alexander is the BVA at these positions: Cleveland could really use a bookend for Jabaal Sheard.

69. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech

Once again, I didn't plan it this way- but if the draft transpires this way, the Bucs will have their choice of all but two of the RBs available, with only two (Richardson and Miller) off the board. Choosing between Wilson, Montee Ball, Chris Polk, and LaMichael James would be a dream scenario for the Bucs- even if I'm off on only two being gone, we should have several options. I gave Wilson the edge because I think he's the best all around prospect with speed that can equal James', but the combine will tell us more about all of these prospects. Other options for the Bucs here would include a right tackle (Matt Reynolds or Ricky Wagner), a second linebacker (Danny Trevathan or Sean Spence), a second cornerback (Shaun Prater or Donnie Fletcher), a safety (Markelle Martin), a wide receiver (T.Y. Hilton, Jeff Fuller, or Ryan Swope), a center (William Vlachos), a guard (Lonnie Edwards or Lucas Nix), or a tight end (Coby Fleener). There's no guarantee things would fall out this way, but there's a shot. This would be an incredible draft for the Bucs. Let's hope that reality's at least somewhat close to this scenario.

70. Washington Redskins

Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU

If the 'Skins are drafting a franchise QB this year, they'll likely look to protect him with their next pick.

71. Jacksonville Jaguars

Donnie Fletcher, CB, Boston College

The Jags needs secondary help badly and Fletcher could be an excellent grab for them.

72. Chicago Bears (via Carolina Panthers)

William Vlachos, C, Alabama

Chicago's O-line came a long way this season, but it still hasn't fully recovered from losing Olin Kreutz. With Vlachos at center, Garza can move back to guard and the whole line improves.

73. Miami Dolphins

Ricky Wagner, OT, Wisconsin

Offense again: with a revamped O-line and new QB, Miami will look to have an entirely different offense in 2012.

74. Buffalo Bills

Bruce Irvin, DE/OLB, West Virginia

Pass rush, pass rush, and some more pass rush just for good measure. The Bills took Upshaw in the first round, but they won't hesitate to give him a partner if Irvin is available in the third.

75. Kansas City Chiefs

Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama

The Chiefs need a new nose tackle and, lucky them, one of the top prospects is still available to them in the 3rd.

76. Seattle Seahawks

Nick Foles, QB, Arizona

The 'Hawks may have missed the boat on the top QBs in this draft, but they could draft an intriguing developmental prospect with Foles.

77. Arizona Cardinals

Bobby Massie, OT, Ole Miss

The Cardinals' O-line needs an infusion of youth and vitality, stat.

78. Dallas Cowboys

Markelle Martin, S, Oklahoma State

The Cowboys use a second pick on their secondary, which badly needs the attention.

79. Philadelphia Eagles

Cliff Harris, CB, Oregon

As strange as it is to ponder Philly needing to draft a CB, with both Samuel and Rodgers-Cromartie uncertain beyond next season, this is a real need.

80. New York Jets

Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Miami

The Jets need a new safety and aren't likely to be too concerned about any character red flags.

81. Oakland Raiders

Terrelle Pryor, QB, Ohio State (2010 supplemental draft)

Is he the future of the Raiders behind Carson Palmer? Outlook unclear, ask again later.

82. San Diego Chargers

Coryell Judie, CB, Texas A&M

The Chargers are thin in the secondary and whatever scheme their likely new coach chooses, they'll need some new d-backs.

83. Chicago Bears

Winston Guy Jr., S, Kentucky

The Bears need an upgrade at free safety. Guy, one of the top prospects in the country at the position, would be an immediate shot in the arm to the Chicago secondary.

84. Tennessee Titans

Danny Trevathan, OLB, Kentucky

Will Witherspoon is on his way out and Barrett Ruud has been hopeless. Akeem Ayers and Colin McCarthy are the future of the Titans' LB corps, but they need a Will. Enter Danny Trevathan, number five in the nation in tackles despite playing for an SEC punching bag (and the 2010 leader in tackles in the SEC).

85. Denver Broncos

Shaun Prater, CB, Iowa

Champ Bailey is heading towards retirement and the Denver secondary needs some fresh blood.

86. New York Giants

Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin

Ahmad Bradshaw could use a young set of legs to spell him and Ball is probably the BVA at this point: so win-win for the Giants.

87. Cincinnati Bengals

T.Y. Hilton, WR/KR, Florida International

Yet another offensive weapon for Cincy, to relieve the pressure on A.J. Green.

88. Detroit Lions

Lonnie Edwards, G, Texas Tech

A second O-line pick for Detroit. I doubt Stafford will be upset.

89. Atlanta Falcons

Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford

Atlanta scores a coup with its second overall pick, landing a potential heir to Tony Gonzalez's legacy.

90. Houston Texans

Audie Cole, ILB, North Carolina State

The Texans could use some depth at ILB.

91. Pittsburgh Steelers

Lucas Nix, G/OT, Pittsburgh

Pittsburgh needs help on the interior of its line and Nix is a great value late in the third.

92. San Francisco 49ers

Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State

The Niners O-line could use some attention and Datko's a good value here- San Francisco could potentially move him inside to guard.

93. New England Patriots

Brandon Taylor, FS, LSU

A second safety? If you saw New England's pass defense this year, you understand why.

94. New Orleans Saints

Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State

The Saints addressed the edge in the first round last year; with their second overall pick, they could very well address the interior.

95. Baltimore Ravens

Tank Carder, ILB, TCU

The Ravens need to address the future of their ILB position while Ray Lewis is still around to mentor a replacement.

96. Green Bay Packers

Trenton Robinson, FS, Michigan State

The Packers don't have many needs, but some depth at safety would have to be one.

Poll
What do you think of this draft?
We've got a shot at Claiborne with #5, but Zach Brown falling to #37 and David Wilson to #69 is very unlikely.
66 votes
It's all wrong. Claiborne won't make it to number 5, and it gets worse from there.
26 votes
I want to believe this could happen. I reallly do.
110 votes
NO! TRENT RICHARDSON!
46 votes
I'm just visiting and not a Bucs fan, but I like the draft you gave my team.
48 votes
I'm just visiting and not a Bucs fan, and you got my teams' needs completely wrong!
22 votes

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Now this would be pretty awesome

Even though it sounds very unlikely. Except for RBs falling. I can buy that.

But Claiborne and Zach Brown both? Yes please.

by Sander on Jan 2, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I know that Zach Brown falling to the second round isn't at all likely

I did include the caveats with the Eagles and Giants that either of them might take Brown. But hey, you never know- good players fall every year.

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I know this is a Bucs mock, but I can't help but note you keep mocking Nick Foles to the Hawks

Nick Foles is the antithesis of what PC looks for in a QB prospect. That’s not happening.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 2, 2012 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

Good to know

I’m always looking for more insights into each team’s needs. Do you see Seattle taking a QB from this class and if so, which one? And how do you like the other picks I gave Seattle?

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Robert Griffin III is basically everything PC wants in a QB

A smart, accurate passer who can also run. All the QBs the Hawks pick up are kind of based on this good-arm-and-mobile model. Of course we’re not the only ones, and with the current hype Griffin is a nono. Tannehil is someone else the Hawks might like. Jones and Foles are pretty big nonos.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 2, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

As for the other picks, they might work

We certainly need upgrades in pass rushing , our biggest need after QB. Not sure if Coples is that good a fit, haven’t really scouted him, but our Dline is in flux so we could adjust to new types as needed.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 2, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the info

Yeah, Seattle’s in kind of a bad position for getting RG3- it’s hard to figure out a trade scenario where Washington and Miami wouldn’t be able to offer higher picks. I’d heard before that Jones would be a bad fit for Carroll’s schemes, which is why I didn’t include him. Now I’ll know to give you guys a CB in the third instead of Foles. Would Kellen Moore or any other lower tier QB in this class be a possibility in the later rounds?

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

After QB/DL, LB and LG/OL depth probably become the highest needs

Don’t really know this draft class well enough to comment much on the deeper QBs. I know Pete’s a sizeist, tho, so I wouldn’t see Moore too quickly.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 2, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Rook, again it appears you gave done your homewirj!!

If we were to get the three players you project us to get, we would have to have a solar alignment, the Mayan calender miraculously restarted, so on, so on and so on. I would love for this to happen. This is my official recommendation to the glasses that they hire you immediately and without fail.

By the way, awesome job again..

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Jan 2, 2012 9:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

*homework

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Jan 2, 2012 9:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks man

Like I said, I doubt we’ll get quite this lucky. But even 2 out of 3 of these would be, to quote Meatloaf, not bad.

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

yup, 2 out 3 aint bad either...

You never know though. We can dream.

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Jan 2, 2012 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I know the draft is still a long ways away,

but holy crap it would be awesome if it played out like this! ANd like you say, it is realistic, though unlikely.

No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.

by thedudeofdudes on Jan 2, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

Also being a steelers fan (use to live up their)

I think your projections, position wise at least is right on the money. They need O lineman and defensively help big time. They are getting a little long in the tooth.

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Jan 2, 2012 10:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks- Steelers are tough to mock

because they’re one of the purest advocates of BVA. Luckily for them, value and needs matched up well in this mock.

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

LaMichael is an option and I would be very happy with that choice

But I think David Wilson’s a better prospect.

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Official speeds and metrics won't be available until after the combine

Scouting reports I’ve seen state/estimate:

LaMichael James, 5’9", 195 lbs., 40 time 4.42 (low 4.32, high 4.54)
David Wilson, 5’10", 205 lbs, 40 time 4.42 (low 4.32, high 4.54)

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If Blackmon is available, we need to pull the trigger

Watch the Fiesta Bowl for further examples.

This is where Sander discusses his lack of speed.

by Bucs on Jan 2, 2012 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

If RG3 is gone, I think he's the natural choice for Cleveland

Their cupboard is bare at wide receiver.

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Really depends who the Rams pick as their next coach.

I think that a new coach will want to pick someone in that spot instead of trading it. There are too many marquee players available for him to pass up (especially after he sees what is available at the combine).

by Bucs on Jan 2, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's possible

But if they decide to address LT (likely) and decide there’s not too much distance between Kalil, Martin, and Reiff, they could safely trade down four spots to have their cake and eat it too.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Lack of speed and size

If he had either, I might be more inclined to like him that high. He has neither.

by Sander on Jan 2, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of draft experts feel the same way

Not all of them, but you can see those remarks pretty frequently.

The last time a receiver Blackmon’s size went in the top 5 was Peter Warrick in 2000. He was a bust. And Warrick at least had speed. It doesn’t happen often that receivers Blackmon get picked that high.

I think he’s a good player, just not one that’s worth that high of a pick. It could always happen, I just wouldn’t do it.

by Sander on Jan 2, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of draft experts have negative thoughts on most players

But the majority have Blackmon in the top 5. Also, he might go even higher based on his Fiesta Bowl domination. Speed and size don’t always mean everything. Example: Taylor Mays, looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

I expect him to impress at the combine.

by Bucs on Jan 2, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Speed and size alone don't mean everything, no

And, as I said, I think Blackmon is a good player.

But in the top 5, you don’t draft good players. You draft elite players who will be difference makers. Players who have everything: size, speed, football skills, instincts, production etc. You draft Megatron, Larry Fitzgerald, A.J. Green. You don’t draft Justin Blackmon, who compares very unfavorably with those players.

by Sander on Jan 2, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

"Draft experts say" really isn't much of an argument, you know

Need more logic on why Blackmon should be equated to the level of top WR picks like Megatron or AJ Green.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 2, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you seen him play?

Because he has been mildly successful.

by Bucs on Jan 2, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm watching him play now

He looks like Boldin. He doesn’t look like a top-10 pick.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? And a Boldin clone with that pick is a bad thing because?

If you told me we drafted Blackmon and I could pencil him in for 700+ receptions, 9000+ yards, and 5 1000 yard seasons I’d be fairly happy with that pick. Boldin was an absolute monster in Arizona. How many receivers in buc history have 9000 yards?

I think your expectations are unrealistically high. You can’t expect a megatron type player, those guys only come around once in a blue moon. If you think someone who put up Boldin’s production is a fail in the #5 spot, then you need to re-examine some of the guys who’ve gone in that spot in recent years. Excluding Patrick Peterson (too soon too judge), the only great player to go #5 in the last 7 years was AJ Hawk. The rest have been either simply good, injury prone, or poor.

by J_B on Jan 3, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

And that's an extremely generous rating for AJ Hawk

If anything, you could realistically say there were 0 great players drafted in that spot over the last 7 years.

by J_B on Jan 3, 2012 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I was about to say, i agree with everything except your perception of Hawk.

But what about Sanchez? Went to the AFC Championship game in both of first two seasons, already has the record for most playoff games won on the road in NFL history. Bad year this year, but it is still early to be writing him off too.

by Toast4 on Jan 3, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Sanchez is pure garbage

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It's more about expectations

At #5, you want an impact player who will change games for you. A.J. Hawk was a bust for that draft position, despite being a pretty decent NFL player overall.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

No, his upside is Anquan Boldin, you're not guaranteed Anquan Boldin by picking him

When you pick AJ Green, his upside is Megatron. When you pick Blackmon, his upside is Boldin. That’s a pretty important different.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 3, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Warrick had speed

but he lost it quickly when he developed knee problems. Losing his speed showed that he was not as complete a player. I am sure you could think of a few other receivers that lacked elite speed or elite size that were drafted high and turned out. Tim Brown?

by Toast4 on Jan 3, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

There are a few

The last one was Torry Holt. It’s not impossible, but it is extremeely unlikely.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Marvin Harrison

but he was faster than Blackmon.

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I have seen a lot of questions on Blackmon from draft experts I trust, including putting him outside of the top-10 entirely

I think he’s getting overrated because he’s the top pick, and people are getting Crabtree-Megatron-AJ Green starry-eyed. But he does not compare favorably to any of those players, who all have better speed/size/wingspans.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 2, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to believe the NFL Combine will answer many of these questions...

since everybody gets weighed, timed, etc. and that becomes their “number” used for comparison. Would like to see us sign a true burner for the outside – maybe we kick Benn inside to slot because of his size.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 2, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He looks faster on tape than he is

After the combine he may not be the top rated reciever. He is tough to bring down tho,

by 69her on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Judging a receiver on his speed / size

is such flawed logic. What have DHB and Michael Crabtree ever done to justify their high picks? Crisp route running, sure fire hands, and the ability to evade and break tackles is extremely underrated.

Wes Welker and Victor Cruz were #1 and #3 in the NFL in rec. yards this year, and neither has tremendous size or speed, but both guys are amazing route runners and just refuse to go down. Blackmon is this type of rec.

by J_B on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Blackmon re-evaluation

Great game by this kid. He showed surprising quickness and toughness. He is a baller. Reminds me a little of keyshon johnson. We all know how he worked out for us and the NFL in general. Dont know if he is worthy of a top 10 pick, but who ever gets this kid will get a good one. Plus he seems to have high character which the bucs surely lack.

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by Bucfan on Jan 3, 2012 1:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Blackmon is a very good prospect...

and should excel wherever he goes. He is very similar to Mike Williams, a player we already have, and would rather see us go after one of the two ARK WRs that have the blazing speed we need to add outside – Jarius Wright or Joe Adams.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 3, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Speed and size are part of the total package

They are absolutely relevant. It’s really hard to succeed as a small, slow receiver – for what should be pretty obvious reasons.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

This is Ahmad Black all over again, really

I’m not saying Justin Blackmon is a bad player. In fact, I’ve consistently said he’s a very good player. He just isn’t a game-breaking player you want at receiver in the top 5.

Is he better as an NFL prospect than Dez Bryant (dropped because of character)? A.J. Green? Calvin Johnson? Larry Fitzgerald? Andre Johnson? That’s the kind of talent you take at receiver in the top 5. You take someone who will win whatever matchup the opponent puts on him. You get someone who can’t possibly be stopped. I don’t see Blackmon being that kind of player, because he doesn’t have the speed or size to physically dominate skilled cornerbacks.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

As I've said before

He’s a better version of Mike Williams, with more playmaking ability after the catch. When I say Mike Williams, I mean the Mike Williams from 2010 that was great at coming down with the football.

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

He’s a legit first round receiver, but the value just isn’t there for a top five pick. If we could trade back seven or eight spots and pick up a second and third rounder I would love to get him, but not in the top five.

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Well thats what happens in the draft.

Lack of quality WR’s and he gets bumped up way too high. But thats what it is. Im not all that impressed with him.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Some team with take him top ten I imagine

but the Bucs have way too many needs to reach at #5.

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a good chance we are reaching at #5 no matter what

If Luck, RG3, Kalil, and Claiborne are all gone, who is the obvious pick at #5? I don’t think anyone left is less of a reach than Blackmon, although I’d buy going for needs if you’re going to reach anyway.

by aakks on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

If our options at #5 are gone we can always trade down to a better spot

because there’s bound to be a team eager to trade up, especially now that the CBA caps the amount of guaranteed money to rookies.

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by witty on Jan 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm all for trading if Claiborne is gone

but it is easier said than done. The new cba will help, but it is not a sure thing.

by aakks on Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the Bucs team is so depleted,

I am not sure they can give up more picks. We’re in a big hole here.

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't thin trading up is a viable option for us this year.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

*think

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

He's 6'1", and he runs a 4.4 at best

All top 5 draft picks at WR the past decade have been at least 6’3", and all have had speed.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He plays fairly big, and he has some speed

But, he’s no Calvin Johnson, A.J. Green, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson etc. Those are the players that get picked with top 5 draft picks. Justin Blackmon isn’t any of those players.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Like what the majority of people have said, he gets open because he runs good routes and he has some speed.

NFL CB’s are better cover guys and most have good speed. I don’t think anyone is saying he isn’t a good college player, I just don’t see how well it translates to the NFL.

by flash_kiley on Jan 3, 2012 10:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Welker is good

But let’s not act like Tom Brady isn’t making him better.

by flash_kiley on Jan 3, 2012 11:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

No, I'm not kidding

Anquan Boldin is a good player. He is not a player that teams take with a top 5 draft pick. He’s a possession receiver best suited to playing the slot who can’t be a team’s #1 receiver. He’s not someone who beats any coverage. He does not compare favorably to actual top 5 picks at receiver.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you put too much emphasis on speed for WR's.

If it was all about speed the majority of wide receivers would not make it in the leauge. Think about the TOP wide receivers in the league. They do not have elite speed. They have good speed to separate from a defender as well as great route running ability, hands and or size. Only two WRs that have elite speed and are good WRs overall and thats Mike Wallace and Desean Jackson.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not all speed, no

The key to me for receivers is the ability to beat man coverage on the outside. Speed helps there, but it’s not the only way to do it. Another way to do that is to consistently make contested, difficult catches when covered, which is how Larry Fitzgerald does it. Having speed and size helps, but it’s only part of the equation.

Though I think you underestimate the speed of a lot of receivers. Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson all have great speed. They don’t have Desean/Wallace speed, but they still have great speed.

When we’re talking about a receiver drafted in the top 5, I want someone who can’t just beat man coverage on the outside – I want someone who can break coverage regardless of what teams do.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Any reciever can beat a man on man coverage.

Yes speed is good to outrun your receiver, but its not always necessary if you run a good route to get open, can jump high or make tough catches, or have great hands. And some receivers are quick, not neccesarily fast (Welker).

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Put Welker on the outside and ask him to run routes on the outsides, and he'll fail too

It’s not what he does. He’s a very specific kind of receiver who does one thing extremely well (create yards after the catch from the slot). But, again, not a #1 receiver. Not the guy you’re going to line up outside, ask to run a go route and win. It’s not what he does.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not as simple as saying "this guy is good" and that's the end of it

Different receivers do different things in different ways. Wes Welker is very different from Randy Moss, who is very different from Keyshawn Johnson, who is nothing like Greg Jennings. All of those are very good receivers – but you can’t ask all of them to do the same thing.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Boldin is an amazing #2 or slot WR...

but maybe not your #1 go-to guy. His best play was with Fitzgerald in ARI – and why wouldn’t it be? Playing with a guy like Fitz takes most of the heat off of you.

Hasn’t been all that in BAL.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Calvin Johnson has elite speed and vertical leap

Blackmon kind of compares favorably to Andre Johnson, (just an inch shorter) but it just depends on what he runs in his 40 time really. If he can run under 4.5 it will help him tremendously.

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Boldin stats...

In the 2003 draft, he was chosen in the second round because of his slow results at the NFL Combine. All he did in his very first professional game was torch the Lions for 217 yards, a rookie record.

He went on to earn Rookie of the Year honors with 101 catches for 1,377 yards and eight touchdowns. The 101 catches still stands as the most catches for a rookie ever.

In six full seasons, Boldin has earned three Pro Bowls and notched a team record four 1,000-yard seasons. He was the fastest player in NFL history to record 200, then 300, 400, and now 500 receptions, doing so in 80 games.

He is tied with Torry Holt as the fifth fastest receiver in NFL history to reach the 5,000-yard mark, doing so in his 63rd career game.

The list goes on and on, but stellar stats are not what make Boldin special.

He is widely regarded as one of the toughest players in the game regardless of position, and has a lengthy highlight reel to prove it. Once he gets the ball in his hands he attacks defenders like a punishing running back. He will deliver brutal blocks, and is a team player with a great work ethic.

So how is it that the fickle masses rarely even acknowledge Boldin’s presence now that Fitzgerald is a mega star? If Fitzgerald is climbing the all-time best receivers list, where does that leave Boldin?

If you were to use stats to tell the whole story, you might be surprised when comparing media darling Larry Fitzgerald and the forgotten one Anquan Boldin side by side. Not only is there not much separation as you might think, but it is in actuality Boldin with the more impressive stats in two out of the three basic receiving categories.

In 79 career games Fitzgerald has 443 catches for 6,156 yards and 48 TDs.

In 83 career games Boldin has 518 catches for 6,667 yards and 41 TDs.

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by NOLEFAN1 on Jan 3, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

That 'back end' of his career started in his eighth season

A top 5 WR is supposed to be good at that point of his career. cf. Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson.

Anquan Boldin had a number of good years. His rookie season was spectacular. But, again, he’s a possession receiver who is best suited to playing the slot.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I would take a Boldin clone at #5. Easily.

Yet, I think Blackmon is much better than just a Boldin-clone. Even Wes Welker was very average in Miami and turned into a complete stud in NE. If we build the right system in Tampa, Blackmon could be amazing.

by Bucs on Jan 3, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Also Boldin has been banged up due to him being a beast accross the middle catching balls that got him maimed that Fitz would croc arm

A true team guy that will do anything to help his team win and play the very next week after being knocked out cold on a helmet to helmet hit with his jaw wired shut

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by NOLEFAN1 on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Stop it.

That’s your opinion. No way you have any proof of that. If this was true he would not be playing in the NFL. Any receiver in the league can win vs man on man coverage. I have seen the worst of the worst do it. You make it seem as its impossible. Your judgment is asinine.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

He can do it on occasion

He can’t do it consistently. That’s been his problem in Baltimore. I’m certainly not the only person to think that. Ask Greg Cosell, for instance.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I usually catch alot of Ravens games and he gets open alot.

But once again he has Flacco throwing to him. Some quarterbacks just stink, no matter what receiver they have to throw too. (Sanchez, Flacco). Generally being a big target helps them out because if they are inaccurate they can still get up and make the catch for them.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

He is horrible.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree with noles and DC

I like blackmon and think he will be a great receiver in the NFL

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by Bucfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

zack brown a bust

zack brown is not that good, do not want him what so ever, much rather have david over brown. Yea i know david is small but he is a tackling machine and plays bigger than he is, if you watched the bowl game today everybody would feel the same. I like Polk at Rb or Doug Martin at RB also

by NutterBuccer on Jan 2, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

I've seen David play a few games this season

and I agree that he’s a great talent who’d be an excellent addition to the Bucs. That said, I’ve heard nothing but good things about Zach Brown.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

you never know

he could be good but something about him just scares me, David on the other hand comes form a team that is known for its defense and has played well for more than one year. Heard Brown got embarrassed in NC bowl game.

by NutterBuccer on Jan 3, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hadn't heard about that

As I noted elsewhere, Brown falling to us in the second is probably a pipe dream anyway- Rams fans have pointed out in my MTD post that St. Louis would probably nab him at #34 anyway if he’s still on the board.

David is a great prospect, and I’d be happy if we land him- I simply don’t know if he’d be a good value at #37 overall.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You think he'd be happier sticking with Grossman and Beck for another year?

Or do you think he’d take another QB in the draft or in FA?

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 2, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Or finagle some

Slimy draft trade for a guy like Keenum or maybe even Landry Jones. Shanahan’s a relic

by GoBuxGo on Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Lions

you have them reaching a round early for every pick

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by JazzyBBP on Jan 2, 2012 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

A round early?

So you think the Lions will go CB in the 1st, G in the second? I know Detroit tends to go BVA, but not as religiously as some.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about positions

its the players themselves. Zach Brown, Chase Minnefield and another 1/2 dozen better overall players at positions of need are there for the taking in the late 1st but you have the Lions picking a player who will probably be available to them in the 2nd, possibly the 3rd and so on.

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by JazzyBBP on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Understood

Not done intentionally- if Barrett Jones had declared, I think he’d warrant a late first round pick. By the by, I also learned today that Micah Hyde is almost definitely not declaring- so I drafted two guys to Detroit who aren’t coming out- sorry about that.

How did on do in terms of the Lions’ needs, re positions? O-line and secondary seemed the biggest areas of concern.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You got the biggest needs, but...

The Lions will also draft BPA regardless of need (except QB or TE) if it means strengthening a strength for the quality depth, like D-Line, RB and LB rotations.
No need to apoligize for the picks. I can barely make a 20-pick mock let alone a 3 rounder. Thats tough work and you deserve a cold brewski. I like the players you picked for the Lions alot, but each one seemed a round early, thats all.

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by JazzyBBP on Jan 3, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Always looking for feedback from fans of other teams- we each know our own needs best as well as our respective management’s philosophies. Detroit definitely subscribes to BPA, but they don’t seem as orthodox in their approach as say Pittsburgh or the Giants.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Barrett Jones

Already stated he’s coming back, FYI.

by magicd12 on Jan 2, 2012 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

Hadn't heard

Thanks for letting me know.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

even if we do pick up a LB in round 2

i want another solid player in free agency. This year in FA is stacked and we need some new additions. I’m thinking Dwayne Bowe & Laron Landry in FA pickups along with a sure tackling linebacker.

by jadams12 on Jan 2, 2012 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

Good luck with the FA thing, half the good players will be resigned with their own teams

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by 4QB on Jan 2, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Then we just have to make a strong effort for the other half

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Aside from Tulloch, who seems likely to resign with Detroit

There just aren’t many good LBs on the FA market this year.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

A Guard over a tackle in the third?

Why would the Bucs draft a guard while Trueblood is the starter at tackle? Zuttah is fine. Joseph, meh. We might not have any quality back up guards, but Trueblood is flat out terrible. He is a far higher priority than any back up guard prospect.

by Hannah Hayes on Jan 2, 2012 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

David Wilson is a RB?

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by 4QB on Jan 2, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get what the statement even implies

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You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
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by 4QB on Jan 2, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

3rd round: "......a guard (Lonnie Edwards or Lucas Nix)"

There is your quote.
My words imply nothing. They are what they are. It is doubtful the Bucs draft a guard before a tackle.

by Hannah Hayes on Jan 3, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't suggesting we draft a guard

I was listing the other good prospects available at other positions. I drafted us a running back.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

?

He has the Bucs drafting a RB in the 3rd. Wilson from Virginia Tech. Unless I misread that.

No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.

by thedudeofdudes on Jan 2, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

?

You read right. ACC back if I remember correctly.

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by Bucfan on Jan 2, 2012 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes- from Virginia Tech

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

David Wilson is a RB

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

How hard is to find a RB in the mold of Darren Sproles?

The guy plays lines up like a reciever in the Saints system

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by 4QB on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

Not every back that is under 5'8 is = to Sproles.

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by Buc Wild on Jan 3, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

James can be just as dynamic

And size didn’t stop Dungy from drafting Warrick Dunn. LMJ is a gamer Buc more so than Sproles was at K-State.

by GoBuxGo on Jan 3, 2012 9:05 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

So was Trindon Holliday, Reggie Bush, Noel Devine, C.J. Spiller etc.

We all assume that because you are 5/8" or less you are a “scat back” and that automatically means you will be like Sproles. There’s a reason he’s doing things NO ONE in NFL history has done. It’s difficult to find those guys, otherwise, every team would have one.

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by Buc Wild on Jan 3, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Damarlo Belcher, WR, Indiana 6TH round steal

Height: 6-5. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Belcher was kicked off the football team for unspecified reasons. In six games, he caught 25 passes for 286 yards and a touchdown.

Damarlo Belcher has had two productive seasons in a row for Indiana. Last year, he had 78 receptions for 832 yards and four touchdowns. The previous season, Belcher had 61 receptions for 770 yards and five scores.

by 69her on Jan 3, 2012 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

Not a bad idea

I’d rather we left off a WR/TE acquisition until the late rounds. I’d love us to make a play for Josh Chichester in the 5th or 6th.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Could be

But he’s got to get more disciplined on the field first.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

trent richardson.

I think Cracker Ball stated that we could still trade down and end up with Richardson and some extra draft picks. Also i dont see Jenkins going that high to the Bengals nor do i think the Cowboys land Dennard.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:57 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah agreed

I think Jenkins falls to round 2. Plus someone will take Richardson before that. or someone will trade up to get him. He will probably be the strongest back they have ever seen at the combine. Plus i do believe that RBs that break a lot of tackles thier draft stock will go up , With the limitation on padded practices now tackling will get worse and worse league wide. Bigger stronger backs that break tackles could become real weapons

by 69her on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I am excited to see Richardson lift, there is no telling what he can throw up.

Bama wouldn’t let him max out cause he was already lifting too much weight.

by Toast4 on Jan 3, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

yep,

we dont want folks training…that sucks. Calling all couch potatoes.

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Overtraining drains energy and leads to more injuries

It sounds great on paper that you need to hold someone back from training too much. But the fact is that he needs to be held back – that’s not a massive positive.

It’s not really a negative either, as long as he listens to his strength & conditioning coach, but you pretend like that is somehow a terrific attribute.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont pretend anything...

The kid works his tail off in the weight room and on the practice field. Did you also know he is an academic all american? He’s a hard worker in the class room as well. You speak of others (who may know more than you) as alluding to conclusions…well, you just did the same. Take some of your own advice.

Overtraining is not a good trait

Well, neither is the constant spewing of BS.

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

No need to get personal

I’m saying that overtraining leads to injury and drains energy. It does. Overtraining is not a great trait. That’s all there is to it.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

not personal. You are a great person. I like you.

however, your comments are stupid. :) just kidding, dont ban me again.

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

LMFAO!!!!

You are hilarious!!

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

^This^

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair point

I know I’m argumentative and pigheaded. Sometimes I need to be reminded.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

You remind me of the Skip Bayless type.

What a minute… Are you??? Lol

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Overtraining and intense workouts are totally different.

I dont know his regimen but i believe NFL strength and conditioning coaches will make sure he doesn’t overtrain. However he can still lift as much as he can and train hard and still avoid injury and still keep his energy. Perfect example…. Jerry Rice trained harder than any player in the leauge by far. T.O. was a close second. But Rice did alot of intense training and didnt overwork himself.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

i over train every sat and sun

When me and my bros do an excessive amount of 12 oz curls. I actually tore a triceps muscle this weekend watching all the bowl games!!!

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Possibly we could, but who do we trade down with if RG3 is gone?

Who are they targeting with the #5 pick if Luck, RG3, Kalil, and Claiborne are all off the board?

Dennard and Jenkins could both easily go in the first round, and both Cincy and Dallas (especially Dallas) will be targeting CBs.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Miami or maybe Seattle

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

But who are they targeting by trading up?

If Luck, RG3, Kalil, and Claiborne are all off the board?

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Why? Why do we need Justin Blackmon?

We can’t protect Freeman, we can’t run consistently, we can’t tackle, we can’t cover, we can’t put pressure on the quarterback. I understand the receivers didn’t get open that much, that can be bandaged with an OC that gives then better route combinations and running rub and crossing routes. And there are several free agent receivers we could try for to upgrade the talent. In the draft, we can wait a couple rounds and find a speedster that can stretch the field.

by flash_kiley on Jan 3, 2012 10:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Agree

We have much more pressing needs than WR. If we’re adding to the receiving corps, do it in the late rounds. I’d actually favor adding another tight end over adding another WR at that point- some competition might motivate Winslow & STocker, and we need to be on the lookout for our equivalent of Graham/Gronkowski.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

There are tons of good WRs in free agency this year. At least 10-12 very good ones. I think it would do us some good to get one (or two) on our roster.

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

CB and WR both will have a good pool in free agency

We need at least one of those CBs if not two, and I’d love one of the WRs too.

by aakks on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Blackmon is a talented guy...no doubt.

However, IMO the Bucs would do better getting one (or two) of the very talented players in this years WR FA. We need veteran leadership. A guy like Pierre Garcon could be a great addition to our WR arsenal. Imagine Freeman having Garcon taking most of the attention. This would also free up young guys like Williams, Benn, and Briscoe to become more productive. We need veterans.

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i like blackmon too. but we have more pressing needs elsewhere.

See previously mentioned, ie; defends and offends line.

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i like blackmon too. but we have more pressing needs elsewhere.

See previously mentioned, ie; defends and offends line.

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You can say that twice...

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fascinating draft

I’d love it if it worked out like this, but I have a hard time seeing the Giants take Burfict over Brown. Maybe, but I think it is much more likely Burfict falls to us than Brown. I’m also a bit surprised at how badly the running backs dropped. Wilson, Ball, Polk, James all available when we pick in the third? Heaven. But honestly, if Lamar Miller is still there in the late second I think we might make a move. He’s late first round talent imo, second only to Richardson.

by aakks on Jan 3, 2012 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

Yea I think whats going to happen is that we will tade down a few spots and still land Richardson

He is a freak and when the combine comes I think the Bucs will be sold on him. if we trade down we may pick up a second or third rounder and Lavonte David, Zach Brown, and Burfict will still be around at LB. Jenkins, Minnfield and some others will be there too at CB. Im hearing alot about these two CBs out of Iowa that are pretty good, and this guy from Montana too.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Janoris Jenkins might slip to our pick in the 2nd

And Lavonte David might slip to our pick in the third.

I’d be just fine with Richardson/Jenkins/David, especially if we traded down some slots to get Richardson and got an extra pick. It is a bit of a longshot though.

by aakks on Jan 3, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be a good draft for us

But again, who do we trade down with and who are they targeting?

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Preaching to the Choir

I’ve been saying for awhile that we’re going to really struggle to trade down if the top 4 goes like that. Our best bet is if someone falls in love with Blackmon.

by aakks on Jan 3, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be lovely

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

It may be a stretch for the Giants to take Burfict over Brown

I debated for a long time with them between Burfict, Brown, and Richardson.

The running backs dropped because, looking at draft needs, there were very few teams with a top priority for a new running back.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't really think that the value is there for Washington to give up all that to move up four spots

According to the NFL draft value chart, the 2nd pick is worth 2600 points. The sixth pick is worth 1600 points. The 38th pick is worth 520 points, which leaves only a 480 point differential there. Any first round pick is worth much more than that, so perhaps swapping first round picks, this years 2nd, and next years second is more realistic.

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

For those of you interested

I found the much talked about draft chart here:

http://www.everything-dallascowboys.com/draft/chart/nfl-draft-value-chart.html

It’s a Cowboys site, but just scroll to the bottom of the page and the chart is there in all it’s glory. Of course, those values are sure to be adjusted a bit with the rookie wage scale

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I know about the draft value charts and use them when figuring trades

What they don’t account for is the value of future picks- so I projected that in a bidding war, Washington would win out by offering less than the chart value of the #2 overall pick plus next year’s first round pick.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not a huge fan of the draft chart

Generally speaking, trades in real life (whether in the draft or elsewhere) don’t work by charts. If three teams are going to compete for RG3’s services, then that pick could fairly comfortably be worth two first-rounders (especially because future picks are always discounted in draft trades). If that market doesn’t develop, then it won’t be close to that.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Two first rounders to move up four spots is hella expensive no matter who is competing.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed...

so you had better be right. If I were an actual NFL GM (as opposed to my fake credentials applied here), I wouldn’t have the peaches to actually make a move like that. Its too risky and if you’re wrong – God help you. Better off in my mind taking the 2 safer, less-risky selections and avoiding the drama all together.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 3, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if I would either but

I think RG3 might be better than Luck. I know that’s heresy to say, but Luck is being overhyped. He is a great prospect, but I think the difference between him and RG3 isn’t as big as people think. I could see a big bidding war for him.

by aakks on Jan 3, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

RG3 is more physically gifted (better arm, better runner)

But Andrew Luck is much more polished and NFL ready. With Luck, you know what he can do in a pro-style offense, you know that he’ll have no problem taking on all the responsibilities in the NFL, you know he’ll have no problem taking dropbacks from center, you know he’ll be able to read coverages, make decision, and make accurate throws consistently even when under pressure.

With RG3, there’s a lot more projecting going on. Can he thrive in a pro system? Can he take on all the pre-snap responsibilities? Can he read coverage in pro offenses vs pro defenses? I’d say probably, yes. But there’s more uncertainty with him.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know any of that with Luck

We SUSPECT all of that with Luck. It will be totally different in the NFL. I think the projecting is going on for both of them honestly. I don’t think either of them is any more likely to succeed than the other, and I think the ceiling is higher with RG3.

by aakks on Jan 3, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

There's always projection

But Luck has done more things that directly translate to NFL success. He’s played in a pro style system, he drops back from center regularly instead of being in the shotgun, they don’t run a lot of spread, he has a lot of pre-snap responsibilities that are key to the NFL game. Those are things that RG3 hasn’t done, which means there’s more uncertainty there.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand all that

but RG3 has accuracy to die for, better physical traits than Luck, and seems to be mentally in a good place if not as polished as Luck. I still say he is just as likely to pan out as Luck and has a higher ceiling.

by aakks on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

When you attend Stanford...

you have intellect. Luck will probably turnout to be “The Man” in IND and the rich get richer. Just imagine what Peyton Manning could pass along to this young man.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 3, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

hear hear

Luck is the man. The rich do get richer. I agree with the commentator last evening.

“With all due respect to one Robert Griffin III, Luck is the best player in college football”

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

luck is a more athletic version if manning.

You say RG3 has mire upside. Not so sure that is true. Luck could be a superstars with all the intangibles at the next level.

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Luck calls his own plays at the line....so yes, he is light years ahead of

RG3. Is no one here high on Russell Wilson? I think he will be a better pro than RG3…IMO.

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Wilson being 5'11" is killing is stockstock.

But i agree he could be a good pro.

by flash_kiley on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

yeah, I noticed he is on the short side.

….but he is a great leader and I havent seen any holes in his game. He also plays in a more defensive minded conference than RG3.

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If they were moving up maybe ten or twelve spots then it's worth it (if you REALLY want that player)

but the number six overall pick still has pretty significant value.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

The Skins are probably the most likely to overpay too

I could see it getting out of hand if a bidding war developed.

by aakks on Jan 3, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, one thing Washington's never been afraid to do is making a splash

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, each deal with have to be team specific. We can't just use a blanket two first rounders.

The sixth pick pick worth much, much more than the eleventh pick etc. No big deal and it’s just a mock. I just don’t think that would happen.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Understood

I thought about cobbling together the equivalents from the 2012 draft alone, but 1,000 points would require them to give up their entire draft and they’d still be a bit short according to the chart. A future first round pick seemed more probable.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see that, but the addition of this year's second seems like a raw deal for Washington.

I’m not sure how they evaluate future first rounders, but even the 32nd is worth 500+ points right. Like Sander said, all that stuff can go out the window if a team falls in love with him anyway.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Truth

And this is part of why I don’t usually mock trades- the blue-skying goes off the rails. I just feel certain enough that one team (be it Washington, Miami, Seattle, etc.) will make a play and end up with St, Louis’ (or possibly Minnesota’s) pick to take RG3.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Why trade with STL or MIN?

If those teams are not interested in drafting RG3, the smart thing would be to target the Bucs (Since 3 overall would require to give up more than 5th).

by MikeN on Jan 3, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Because if RG3 is still available at #4, Cleveland may very well draft him

Hence why a lot of us ending up rooting for Cleveland over the last few weeks of the season.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha. That deal set their franchise back several years.

Just like the Gruden deal hurt us for years. Teams get really screwed by giving up future first round picks. If Mark Dominik gave up a first round pick to move up anything less than ten spots, I might go buy a rifle. Just sayin’

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

It did set their franchise back for years, because Leaf was a bust

Had he succeeded, we’d be talking about the great trade they made at the time. The rules change when you’re talking about franchise QBs.

by Sander on Jan 3, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see how any team can warrant that kind of investment on RGIII

but someone could I guess. By the way, David Boston was the player Arizona took with that pick, so at least they were both busts.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

A few things...

1. Barrett Jones has already said he is returning for his senior season at Alabama…so #24 is off (I havent read the comments, maybe its been addressed) 2. How upset were you that the Cardinals make-believe took Keuchly? I know you really wanted him. I would have been make believe pissed! 3. No way Richardson falls that far. 4. Good job. Enjoyed it.

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks man

Yeah, another commenter mentioned that above Jones. I was make-believe punching the make-believe wall when make-believe Arizona took make-believe Kuechly. Like I said, I doubt he falls that far as well- but there was no one team that I looked at before then and said- “Richardson, of course”.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Saints

I like the OLB pick in the second round. To be honest, haven’t started scouting for this draft, so I can’t comment too much, but OLB is definitely our biggest need. After that, I’d say SS, RT, DT, MLB, C are our biggest needs, in that order. Good job though, can’t complain!

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by Alex Swift on Jan 3, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

Yeah, I agree that the Saints seem likely to go OLB first and take a quality player as soon as they get on the board.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Take a chill pill Witty

It’s just for fun

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, trust me

I know this game is all air castles. The February version (after the deadline and the playoffs) will probably be a bit more “serious”.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

We need a playmaker for Freeman. Parker is a good 3rd down WR and Briscoe/Williams are good possession guys but imo we need an explosive guy with glue for hands WR like Blackmon

ATL got Julio Jones last year and now it is our turn. :)

That said, I really want a CB too. We have to spend a 2nd round pick if we go O for our 1st on a CB. If we need to trade up to grab a good one then I’m all for it.

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by NOLEFAN1 on Jan 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Man

Point me towards the team that will give up a fourth round pick for Quincy Black. I’ll say YES in about a millisecond and ruin the deal by being too eager.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

i like those 3 picks

And id take streeter wr from Miami at 5…if he is there

by blountforce72 on Jan 3, 2012 11:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

sorry i meant

5th rd if he is there

by blountforce72 on Jan 3, 2012 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ah- that makes much more sense

I think you might be undervaluing him- I have him going in the late second round above, to the Texans at #58.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Streeter’s promising, but I don’t see him going in the first round, let alone #5 overall.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is my mock after some thought...

Bucs take:

1st round – WR Justin Blackmon OSU
2nd round – CB Janoris Jenkins North Alabama/UF
3rd round – LB Nigel Bradham FSU

Use the later rounds for depth at RB, a nickel/dime CB, O & D line depth.
Target a solid FB as an undrafted FA

Would you be happy with this draft? Thoughts…

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by NOLEFAN1 on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah. He worked out after being undrafted.

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like Burfict is too.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Depending on who we take in the 1st and who else is available

Burfict and Jenkins might be worth considering in the 2nd round

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

A 5'10 version of Aqib Talib

No thanks.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Many corners that are small can play big. I saw 5'8 Greg Reid lock down 6'4 230lbs WR stud Alshon Jeffery in a bowl game for example

Jenkins is playmaker imo and I hate the Gators lol. When it comes to the Bucs I only want them to get the best at value. I see value here with Jenkins in the 2nd. I’ll give him his props.

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by NOLEFAN1 on Jan 3, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

College locking down is not the same as NFL locking down a reciever

"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Jan 3, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He didnt help out taking a swing the other day costing the Bucs a 1st down.

….not that it would have mattered…but very poor sportsmanship. Right now, we are the Tampa Bay Thug-anneers. Is it too much to ask for elite athletes who also have good character?

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

True

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by NOLEFAN1 on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Williams missed curfew and everyone said he was a good kid.

Jenkins has been arrested multiple times for drug possession. Not even close to the same.

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by LeeCaz on Jan 3, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be disappointed

I’m not a fan of Blackmon as our #1 pick- we really have other needs that take precedence. Jenkins will probably go first round, but even if he’s there I’m not certain the Bucs will want to commit to another troubled CB after the Talib epic. Bradham is promising, but right now doesn’t look like a value pick in the third round. And we have plenty of nickel/dime CBs already- what we need are new starters.

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by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Bradham has a great senior season. FSU rotates a lot of depth on D, so these stats are not even playing every down like some starters do on other teams

86 tackles
9.5 TFL
5 PBU
2 Sacks
2 INTs
1 FF
1 FR

I also remember when he chased down a full sprinting track star Jeff Demps from behind in the Swamp in 2009. I think the NFL scouts will drool once they see him at the combine. Rare size/speed combo. Guy is a beast too…

Photobucket

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by NOLEFAN1 on Jan 3, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO!

Thinking the same thing.

Also, very discriptive.

I think the NFL scouts will drool once they see him at the combine

by akbrown15 on Jan 3, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

meh lol

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by NOLEFAN1 on Jan 3, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a pic of him as a Sophomore

Just trying to say he is a beast.

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by NOLEFAN1 on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Glamour shot!

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

PAUSE!!!!! LOL

ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!

by dcbucsfan on Jan 3, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You may very well be right

January mocks are inherently very preliminary. The combines and interviews change the CW radically.

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy Crap man

You all do have to play us next year :)

Nice draft for the Chiefs

Say hey to Jamaal Charles or a flat out slug to run for 150 yards behind that O-line!

Rec

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 3, 2012 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

Not looking forward to facing the Chiefs next year, if y'all can stay healthy

There’s a sizable contingent of us here who look at Eric Berry with envy in our hearts.

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I suppose our best chance to land CB Morris Claiborne...

resides in the scenario where WAS trades up with MIN, to jump ahead CLE, for RGIII.

You can be virtually assured that IND takes QB Andrew Luck, and STL takes OT Ryan Kalil. MIN was the team I feared most in taking Claiborne, so WAS getting their QB at Pick 3 works out best for us. I doubt CLE takes another CB this high, after taking Joe Hayden a couple of years back, so its is a plausible scenario.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 4, 2012 7:10 AM EST up reply actions  

A guard in the top 10??

That’s not going to happen. I hate ywt another year of our first 2 picks going to the D. How do you expect Freeman to get better if he has no one to work with? We have 3 first rounders on O (Freeman,Joseph,Wilson) the D almost has that on the line!

by Pirate25 on Jan 4, 2012 10:58 AM EST reply actions  


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