Daily Bucs Links 1/19/12 - Bucs are taking their time
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So is Benn a bust?
Being a second round pick, he hasn’t done much.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Jan 19, 2012 8:19 AM EST via Android app reply actions
He'll get one more chance next year
but it is starting to look like it. I had high hopes for the Benn/Williams combo. Next year will be very telling on a lot of these young guys.
He had the best ypc average on the team and was tied for second in touchdowns.
Had we thrown downfield for, he would have had a better year. He needs some work on his route running. His yac ability is very good, so learning to run crisper routes will let him catch the ball in space so he can do what he does best.
And he spent the whole offseason coming off of an injury. This offseason he can hone his craft.
by flash_kiley on Jan 19, 2012 9:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
For such a high pick (2nd Round)...
and also one I believe we traded up to get – he should have better production. There was an injury to deal with, but I hope our front office will be watching him closely in 2012.
Gotta step it up or he will slide down (or completely off) the depth chart.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I've been defending him for 2 years now, but those drop stats are just bad
It is time for him to step it up or step aside. Next year will be telling.
There are some good replacement WR in this draft...
like Alshon Jeffrey, and those two speedsters from ARK. Love to have a splash signing like WR Vincent Jackson, but that may be asking for too much around here. Guess it’s just another roster spot we need help at.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
This would be a great year to pick up a FA WR
That’s what we need rather than using a pick on an unproven one. Give me one solid vet target for Freeman AND for the other WRs to learn from.
Arena League Football...
has T.O.s name written all over it. Tough blow to a giant ego I bet.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
he's already signed to some arena team in texas
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 19, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Benn is ok.
I didnt see very many drops from him. He saw limited action but looks like he is a deep field threat. He does need to stay healthy and get on the field more.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
The thing is
I knew and defensive coordinators knew we would go deep to him
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 10:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Catch Against the Colts
Was burnt into my memory, even though it got called back that should be a guaranteed play call weekly. “Benn Deep”
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 10:13 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Good.
If he can work on his cuts, the fear of him going deep will allow for more separation.
by flash_kiley on Jan 19, 2012 10:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think if we get a OC
that somewhat can get a gameplan together we could have a huge year on offence. We do have some playmakers, Benn included, that can make plays. I am telling myself the reason for this horrid offensive year was coaching. Deffence is my biggest worry, the fact that we cant takle anybody scares the hell out of me.
I think the coach will play a major part in the play of our wideouts
First I think there are some sean Payton, Mike the hc at GB type coaches that are out there. Guys who don’t have a lot of coaching experience but are great offensive minds. Think about the wideouts on GB or No think about where those guys would be if those teams were not running those wide open offensive systems. I think that’s why we are having such a detailed search cause it would be a advantage to have a guy like Payton but you also have to be careful not to get a guy like Josh Micdaniels
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 10:05 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Not a bust
but a disappointment. He did have several key drops and was getting called for penalties too much to be effective. For all of us that wanted to see him do more that that stupid reverse end around play every game, when he did get more playing time he was less effective than we had hoped. He did show some deep threat potential though and hopefully a full offseason and a better offensive scheme will show whether he was a hit or a miss. So far, the jury needs more evidence to reach a conclusion.
That end around should be scraped
Olsen was thee worst
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This year will be bust or bust it open for a lot of guys
We have to get him more involved, this guy was barely in on passing down. I also think blount is an elite back but with olson calling the shots its impossible to grade
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 19, 2012 10:36 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Exactly.
I’m trying to reserve judgement until we get a real OC in here. Yes they had their fumbles, drops. But the severity is also elevated with the lack of opportunities.
by flash_kiley on Jan 19, 2012 10:42 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
With all this being said,
if Kendall Wright is available in the second we need to pounce. Fastest receiver in the draft, and known for his excellent route running. And I would still get LaMicheal James in the third. A Claiborne-Wright-James would be a dream first three rounds.
by flash_kiley on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Tears of Joy
If the first 3 rounds went that way. James & Wright would cure our speed issues on offense. Claiborne would be the DB to build the secondary around. Oh, Cliff Harris will be lingering late in the draft and due to his off-field troubles and dismissal from OU he took a hit. He’s still a quality talent
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 11:27 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't think so
I think that makes us somewhat better, I think we should add a olb in the first 3 rounds. But I think drafting Richardson makes us a whole lot better and dangerous
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 11:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
agreed!
we need to stop the run and give richardson the ball
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um pay attention
no one in the playoffs runs the ball, nor do they care to stop the run
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I would take him
If we were picking lower in the draft. the man is hella talented and would fit in any offense
I agree
I wouldn’t draft a RB before pick 15 though.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Get your facts right
Sanfran does both so does bmore, the giants to me have the best qb in football so they just need to let him take control of the offense he won’t put the team in bad situations, and I think the fact that the pats don’t have a good run game and defense is going to catch up with them this weekend
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
How many running yards did those teams have in their playoff games?
What won them their games.
Hint: nothing to do with running
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
That hailmary pass in the giants game
Was made possible by the run. NE Hernandez 60 yards on the ground. 49ers and bmore are where they are playing to go to the superbowl cause they can dominate on the ground
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Okay buddy.
Ninners had to pass, and pass a lot to win. They also had to stop the pass to win, not the run.
Houston relied far more on the run then b-more and could not win. B-more had to rely on the pass to win.
NE thinks RBs are such a joke they were handing off to TEs
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Your not going to keep jabbing if its not landing
Thats when you throw your hook, but the hook will not be effective if your opponent is not worried about the jab. And the pats used the te to run to throw the defense off but they did run the ball no matter how you look at it
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
the RB isn't that valuable of a position to warrant a high first round pick anymore
that’s just a fact.
Even the ‘great’ running backs this year were 2nd-undrafted.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Your grading Richardson by saying that
There is some truth to what your saying. But richardson is a special player and to have him and blount gives us a advantage that no other team has, you got to have that advantage if you want to be great in this league
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
you don't use a top 5 pick on a part time player.
period
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
You got to think about the big picture
What he will be asked to do part time goes a long way to winning a superbowl. Thats what I will look for in a top 5 pick someone that increases your chances of winning right away.
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I disagree. In the playoffs a running game isn't needed.
It’s far more important to defend against the pass.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
You can't name a team
That won the superbowl with a ineffective run game
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
lol tampa bay
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Packers last year (mostly), Saints (year before), Steelers (really)
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
yeah, just look at the winners since the rule change
no one had a great RB.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
All of the teams yall named
Had a effective run game, tampa pittman set a record in that superbowl, and gurden had a pound the rock mentality.NO had a stable of running backs getting the job done. James starks did a great job running the ball Gb don’t beat the eagles without starks
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 1:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They couldn't beat the Gianta with Starks
We need a few CBs more than we need a RB.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 1:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Giants is that good
Nobody knew about starks back then which made him a xfactor
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 1:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The giants aren't that good
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 5:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
so Far they're NFC Championship
Good. Only wild card team left good as well
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 5:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
But we did it without
reaching for a back. Pittman was a 4th round pick by Arizona. Reaching on running backs is a huge risk that most of the time is not worth taking.
who said he would be part time?
maybe its good for a rookie to learn and get good playing time but not have to come in and immediately start even though i think he could
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Everybody i like in the upcoming draft is a "special player", not proving an argument there.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Really tell me who you like
And ill tell you why he is not so special in the league. Richardson is explosive physical, good hands and good in protection. He also has a killer instinct kind of like cam newton. Add that to what blount brings to the table and what do you have?
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
we need an entire secondary.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Your not using your whole draft on Richardson
Thats just one pick, and then you still got free agency
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You can get a RB undrafted that is as good as one in the first round
You can’t do that with positions like CB.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Richardson is one of the best players in the draft
When he enters the league he will be one of the best at his position as a rookie, I’m sold on that watching him dominate the SEC. Pass on him and we will regret it.
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Anyone you pick in the top five
You have to say to yourself this person will be good for 10-12 years.I dont see a runninng back with his style lasting that long. If we didnt have blunt then i would be all for it. but blount just needs a compliment to his talents.
Thats not true.
You can get a person like that at any position.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Like you really trust Dom in FA
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by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 5:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Cant agree with you more
on needing a new secondary. We gave up so many big plays in the last 10 games, hell I started to get used to it
How about Kirkpatrick, Claiborne, Kuechly, Brown, Kalil, Blackmon
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Those guys are not difference makers
Richardson is a difference maker one that improves our team chances alot. I mean think about the other elements of our team that improves with him and blount out there doing they thing
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ha-ha, now you're trolling me.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 1:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not difference makers?
Are you kidding? You see no difference between Claiborne in the secondary and Biggers?
Come on. At least be realistic with the Richardson arguments. That is just silly talk.
Well, I see your point
Having both, Blount and Richardson would definitely give our team something “special”, and under a good OC, could be what separates us from other teams when/if we get to be a playoff contender. It would also keep the other teams offenses off the field. It makes sense. In my opinion, Claiborne and Blackmon are good, but not worthy of top 5. I say either Trent, or trade down.
by Barbaric on Jan 19, 2012 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is getting hilarious
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 4:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
it is really hilarious
its a very hot topic. but alot of yall think that claiborne is the answer to our defensive problem. as if it is claiborne or nothing
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Yet you think It's Richardson or nothing
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 5:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
no i dont. im just looking at our position on the board and the way that our team is made up.
and the availability of players at the positions. if the draft were full of trent richardson type guys i would say hey lets get one in the later rounds. but you only can say one name and thats lamichael james. what if he isnt available in the 3rd? then what? if there werent so many cbs in the draft and claiborne was the really the only option at cb in the draft i would push hard to get him. but hes not. so many available.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Oh dear god
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Your saying this
As if we dont already have a damn good back. I think we need a back that compliments him. We need so much help in other places that we should focus on trading down and plugging up holes.
If claiborne isn't there and we cant trade then ill take richardson
Pros: with richardson/blount we can move the chains more, buy the defense more time, less stress on free, less stress on the wide outs
Cons: he can’t play defensive back and our division REQUIRES a stud. I’m hoping talib doesn’t go to prison because we really need 2
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 19, 2012 6:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I say
Thats high for a running back. Especially a running back thats sharing cares. I would rather us trade down and get Luke Kuechly Dre Kirkpatrick Kendall Wright and then lamichael james in the second round. I believe if we trade our first round pick and Kellen winSLOW we can get a 1st 2nd and 3rd from a desperate team
I'd rather us draft claiborne, and if he isn't available beg someone to trade up to draft RG3 ahead of washington.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 19, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
This will depend on the coach
but if we plan on running the “tampa 2” or something close to that. we need corners that can tackle. I.E. Like Ronda in his prime. Kirkpatrick is a much better tackler than Claiborn. but by no means would i be upset with having claiborn.
There's Keyser again!
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
or we could just stick with the running backs we have and develop kregg lumpkin and madu
yea…. that will get us to the promise land. since running backs arent of much value anymore according to some, lets just throw every down and continue to pick undrafted running backs because they shouldnt be picked in the top 15 even though the talent is warranted.
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For the millionth time. Lumpkin has very little shot at making the roster next year.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 5:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You can't develop a turd...
as Blumpkin has shown in spades. If you suck, all the development in the world won’t help very much.
Time to cut bait and move away from Blumpkin – he has shown nothing and we are wasting our time with him. Just find somebody else.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
i totally agree.
im tired of gambling on unwanted players. its time to take a investment high on a good running back
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Are u seriously this bad at understanding statements?
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
What point? That good RB's are available in the later rounds or that our pass defense sucks.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
no the fact that you think that the pass defense was the reason why this team was terrible
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
When you get down by 21 in the 1st qtr that usually falls on the pass defense
remember this defense gave up the most points in franchise history a rb that will ultimately be splitting carries wont help that. A cb that can potentially take away the top wr out of the game will. Go look at the National Championship game Claiborne wasn’t thrown at once the entire game, how would that not help our defense more than a rb would.
the reason why points were given up is because of offense turning the ball over for scores, short field, and primarily the terrible run defense.
ive given so many examples but yall just dont understand. claiborne wasnt thrown at in a college game. you think nfl teams wont throw at him because of what he did at college? no way! they going to throw at him because of him being a rookie!!!
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
He's already experienced the air raid
On his side of the field as a player, he played opposite of Patrick Peterson in 2010. Teams attack our secondary
by GoBuxGo on Jan 21, 2012 8:28 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
There are other running back options later in the draft
and quite a few of us think we should pursue those. Nobody that I know of thinks we should go into next year with Lumpkin as the 3rd down back. Nobody.
ok can you say that there are more quality cb's in the draft this year than rbs?
i think there is.
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ok so why are you putting so much stock on one cb when there are alot of other cbs in the draft that can be good or as great as him.
at the running back position is not that many options. Richardson is miles ahead of Miller, James, Doug Martin and i dont even know who else is in the draft at RB that would even be considered.
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You sir are funny
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Claiborne is head and shoulders above anyone else...
which is not to say that others can’t develop into a good CB. Sure some will, but Claiborne is a special “splash” kind of player. Elite at his position.
Morris Claiborne is just ready right now.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
no i totally agree
and thats what i am saying. i believe hes nfl ready to a certain extent. but there are still alot of good cbs in the draft compared to the running backs available
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Though it would be nice (luxury pick)
To grab up Richardson, we need a compliment back to spell LGB instead. Our needs on defense out weigh by miles our needs on offense.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 20, 2012 4:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you know whats ironic.
Alot of you were complaining during the games that we need to run the ball more… get rid of lumpkin etc….. but you dont want to invest in one of the best running back prospects in a while? probably the same that said drafting a safety was too high when eric berry was in the draft too. listen richardson doesnt appear to me as your normal back. I havent seen a running back that can easily bench 450. thats some special stuff. and hes got the total package. this kid doesnt look like he will be a bust. if it were just another running back lamar miller… ok i see that but richardson is special. if you cant see that then your blind. stop the oh hes a running back he could get hurt fast excuses. hes worth the risk
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Since when has bench.press.results.ever mattered?
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 5:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Especially for a runningback.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 5:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think his squat lift numbers would matter more...
as he can drag players down the field with him. Very strong and low center of gravity makes him hard to bring down. Like Alstott. A little guy like LeMichael James will go down easily.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
We didn't run as much due to the playcalling
And can you be mad at bucs fans? You remember what happened when we chose a rb that high
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 19, 2012 6:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i understand.
but maybe the playcalling was limited because the guy can only run north and south. and its hard to run when the defense has 9-10 men in a box consistently. no man can run that way no matter how big he is.
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and honestly caddy did good his first year
but he got a freak accident. it happens sometimes. just because it happened before doesnt mean we should never invest in one that high again. and ill still take caddy now over the other rbs on our squad other than blount
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yea but the fact of someone not getting picked because of him being a running back is ridiculous. i dont care what position you are. its about your talent and your production you can provide.
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And Claiborne can't provide as much production as TRich?
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
I have continued to say...
take Claiborne if he is there. Trade down if he is not, If we can’t find a trading partner, or get the value we need – take RB Trent Richardson and pick a CB in Round 2.
Still need to sign a good, young veteran F/A CB either way.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think so especially immediatley.
richardson has more of a chance with the ball in his hands where claiborne might not even get balls thrown his way. he may be poor at tackling who knows but richardson has more of the chance because hes on offense
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Claiborne will get tested early and often...
and until he is able to prove himself at the NFL level, he will get targeted A LOT.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 20, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think blount can get as many yards as richardson. I honestly do. I meant cadillac.
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 19, 2012 6:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and i love blount. but he cant do it alone. he is a one dimensional back. really blount should be the change of pace back
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Darren Sproles doesn't
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
get injured
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
ok hes one guy. a 3rd back at that
and thats good he doesnt get injured
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would it matter if he couldnt lift 100 lbs?
i think it would. that would mean hes weak. if he can lift 450 that means he is strong not just for a running back but as a player period.
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When will he be on his back
Lifting 450lbs of dead weight of him during a game?
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 6:29 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
how much you can bench is kind of important, it shows how strong his upper body is, which relates to how well he can hold onto the ball, and can he break tackles
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 19, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
You know I'm not totally on board with this pick, but if he can run, block and catch passes I'd be ok with it
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 19, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
yea he can block.
nobody can say anything he cant do. only knock on him is that hes a running back
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Richardson
Will not run away from an NFL defense and he won’t be running behind a savage SEC offensive line
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 8:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes
Like I’ve said before the only knock right now against James is his size. Yes Richardson has plenty of it so does LGB, so does Freeman for that matter, we have ample size in ourbackfield. Drafting James would gives us a boost of speed in the backfield, hands out of the backfield, and a change of pace. Anything Trent can do James can do just as well if not faster.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 9:31 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
your crazy.
richardson has all that plus he can block better, hes stronger, and can carry a heavier load that james can.
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We need speed and richardson aint it.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 20, 2012 4:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No there's no risk in taking him
But there’s a difference between want and necessity. Can you look yourself in the mirror an say you have confidence in the likes of Lewis, Biggers & Mack? If there’s a unit that needs to be addressed it CB or we can draft Rochardson and watch him look miserable while we’re gettin burned over the top game after game. Blount doesn’t need a replacement, he needs a partner.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 5:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i know for a fact that we wont be just stuck with that cb unit if we get richardson.
Now can you say that you are content with blount, lumpkin and madu?
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I can live with Blount and Madu.
But I’m on the LaMichael James bandwagon, we don’t need to use a 5th overall pick for a RB. Richardson can’t play man, zone, jam a WR, or compete for a jump ball but Claiborne can. Our D gave up tons of points this past season, drafting defense first shows a good step in the right direction.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 6:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Thank you
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Madu is an "unknown"...
and Lumpkin is a known turd.
Say “bye bye” to Mr. Blumpkin kids…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
id rather keep lumpkin over madu....
u want to gamble on a unproven guy like madu who i seen absolutley nothing from and he had a chance to show something, and blount who is invisible on 3rd down and wont play the 2nd half of the game if we are down by 2 scores? wow
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Madu has shown more than Lumpkin has and ever will
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Greg Olson is an idiot
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
... and no longer our burden.
Thank God for that. Ugh.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
and no richardson cant play defend but he helps our offense score points which they could not do at all.
defense didnt give up all the points. offense turned over the ball in short field, gave points away, i count one game this year the offense kept us in the game and the defense failed us at the end… the packers game….and the defense played pretty good against them… all the other games defense did a halfway decent job of keeping us close but the offense couldnt score! and yes the defense sucked. but why? not because of bad coverage, but because of poor tackling. last in the leauge in sack, last in the run, and even with the secondary struggling that isnt the weakest part of the defense
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The 4th worst defense in points given up in NFL history didn't give up that many points at all.
Very good
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
look at why the points were given up
we gave up 41 point to the jaguars… not all 41 is due to the defense. and also acoount short field to defend as well.
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14 points were given up due to fumbles (ST actually), 1 was given up due to "short field", the rest was all on the defense
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
all due to turnovers by the offense and there was more than one time with a short field
and once a agin total points are not al given up on just defense as i said before.
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u forgot the freeman sack fumble for a touchdown too under 2 mins in the first half
only two drives started in the jags territory that they marched down the field. and one from midfield. all the rest were in tampas territory. so what are you talking about?
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I complained about Legarrette Blount not getting the ball more
Not about the Bucs not having another running back to give the ball to. The solution to that complaint is not to add another back, it’s to give Blount the ball more. Problem solved!
by Sander on Jan 19, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so riddle me this.
what if lamichael james isnt there in the 3rd round? what if a team reaches for him in the 2nd? what if the colts or the browns grab him in the 3rd? then what? since alot of yall are so content on settling for james in the 3rd? s
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Then pick the next best RB- Polk/Gray are also available at that point
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
And don't compare this to the Claiborne situation, That is a need. Richardson is a LUXURY
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
running back is a need.
it may not be a high as cb but its a need. when you have kregg lumpkin madu and blount having the season he just had
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Lumpkin has basically 0 shot at being here next year, stop becoming fixated on that one point
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
thats your opinion that he wont be back. next year. you dont know that.
and im speaking on the roster as it currently is. so lumpkin is apart of the running back core he has just as much of a chance of staying as biggers, mack, and lewis. and i dont like lumpkin but he was used as a “weapon” in 2011 so thats why im using his name
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That's the part of Olson. Olson used him because there wasn't anybody on the waiver wire worth anything
Or the fact that he didn’t trust his runningbacks.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Him being Lumpkin
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
hmmmm he didnt trust his backs...
i wonder why. one who was inconsistent. and two bums
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Or he is an idiot. I can't believe you're defending Greg Olson
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 19, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
im not defending olson.
your making it seem like olson was the only problem and thats why the offense sucked. if thats the case then keep all the players from last year with a new coach
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Because you can't fire players, and who knows- some coach might find something useful to do with them
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
you cant fire players?
are you SERIOUS? whats the difference between firing or cutting? or releasing? are you SERIOUS? lol smh
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I bet a LOT of players wearing a Buc uniform...
in 2011 will be shown the door – contrcat or not. Lost of deadwood on our roster, along with malcontents and big underachievers.
Cuts, cuts and more cuts. As you would readily expect on a 4-12 team.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 20, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
keeping other teams off the board is a need
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 6:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
yea no defense can keep a team scoreless...
none. you need offense more than defense in this league
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Building an offense that has to score 35 is too difficult...
but building one that can score 25, and building a DEF that gives up 20 to go with it is a whole lot easier to do..
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with that 100 percent
and not having a defense that allows 16 but the offense cant score 10
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Giants did it 2 weeks ago
Blanked a “high power” offense with a hot shot 1st round offensive pick.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 8:20 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
never heard of gray.
polk will go before james. and even still your settling on a pick with a guy your not even sold on.
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I'm sold on Claiborne being better than anyone on the roster and certain FA's, that is value at that point.
I’m not sold on Richardson being a better 3DRB/split backfield tandem than a guy like Gray, Wilson, Pead, Ballard
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
i dont see how you arent sold on richardson as not being effective. thats crazy.
i see him as the 3rd back eventual starter.. ala cj2k
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
CJ2k and TR are nowhere similar
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
And if you really want to go into it, CJ2k had a down year because he had a terrible OL.
Guess what, we have now- a terrible OL.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
He held out of team activities in a short offseason
For money & a title he held for all of 4 days until the Vikings paid A.P. Now that guy is first round 5th pick talent, Peterson I mean.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 8:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
thats a bunch of malarkey
our o line isnt that bad. especially in the run game. and guess what? johnson still had 1000 yards and 418 recieving. and thats on a down year. hmmmmmmm
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and back to my point on how our run defense is the worst compared to our pass defense
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im not talkin about their running style man.
im talking about coming in not as the initial starter and then taking over the job.
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Legarrette is the clear-cut starter here
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
yea because of this lackluster offense and depth at running back.
or maybe when hes benched we can depend on the great kregg lumpkin
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This is hopeless
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
You're fixated on the fact that LUMPKIN is going to be here next year
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
you just dont get it.
you cant tell the future. i am speaking on the current roster as is…. nobody knows what coach will want what players currently on this squad next year
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You can't tell the future either, Blunt might not suck next year, we might get a FA rb (1 can hope)
and Freeman might play lights out
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Blumpkin will not be here next year...
he had his chance and did exactly squat with it. See ’ya.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 20, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
That's what i'm saying
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Olson to the Jags, they must not like their young quarterback very much, good luck with that ,hahahahahahahaha
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 19, 2012 6:57 PM EST reply actions
The Jags really, really suck at everything apparently
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
The NFL coaching fraternity sucks it doesn't matter how big of a hack you are once your'e in your'e in for life
doesn’t matter how bad you suck you will get another job eventually, unless you are Brian Billick LOL
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 19, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Welp, that's true
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Still, he's only a QB coach so he shouldn't be calling many plays to mess with Gabbert
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
True, but I wouldn't let him near my qb for any reason, not even to hand him a sandwich
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 19, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Olsen sucks
I feel sorry for Gabbert if this is true
by bucs86forever on Jan 19, 2012 7:16 PM EST via Android app reply actions
and i like claiborne. think he will be a great cb. but some of yall cant even admit that richardson will be great too.
i like both. but just prefer richardson because of how our team could use him it would make us so much better. us getting claiborne may just get us to average
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That's what I'm trying to convey, Richardson might get his knees blown out this year due to him being constantly tackled.
Claiborne doesn’t get tackled and can help the poorest area of our defense. Average in defense can be a very,very good thing
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
poorest area is the linebackers.
and claiborne can get hurt too so.. ehhhh to richardsons knees being blown out. but riddle me this… lets say ronde retires and barber retires. if we get claiborne how does our defense get better? our defense would actually at best get to still just bad. we could be losing 2 cbs and if we get 1 how does our defense still not struggle? ill take talib now over and unproven claiborne. look at what our defense was with talib and barber. still bad. how do we get better when we lose both and just plug in claiborne? i would love to hear this explanation
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I'll take blunt over an unproven Richardson, what's the guarantee our offense will get better?
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
I like both honestly neither one is going to turn this around..
They both are two of the most if not the most talented players in the draft I want Claiborne cause we need a corner BADLY but at the same time I want Richardson cause I believe he will help us score points an probably alot of them too. Now the one I want the most Is Blackmon. I have seen 5 games of his this year an man he killed the defense most of the time even when the ball didnt come his way he would be the eventual #1 for us an it would give Freeman another target to throw to I Believe he will turn out to be a stud in this league. Honestly I think we need to draft the best corner in the second an if he is there get james in the third.
by Benjamin Patterson on Jan 19, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
when we get richardson and the offense wont get better i will personally fly to wherever you are and personally apologize and admit you are right and i will do so on here.
but i wont need to do that because richardson will improve this offense. tremendously
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What's the guarantee?
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
i guarantee that if we get richardson instead of claiborne we will be better statistically than the offense was in 2009.
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That would be great, because 2009 was a complete POS year where we didn't have anybody
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
or whatever guarantee you would like to put i would love to hear
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So we could lose 2 CBs and replace one with Claiborne
or we lose 2 and replace them with no one and are all time terrible defense gets even worse. With drafting Claiborne we atleast maintain which is better than getting worse.
who said that if we dont get claiborne we wont replace anyone with at CB?
i never said that? please read!
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Claiborne= BPA (shutdown corners are more valuable) than top RB's
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
thats your opinion.
the fact is that you cant compare success of what a cornerback does to what a running back does. shutdown corner vs a running back who runs for 1,500 yards. how can you say one is better than the other? its impossible. thats like saying revis is better than adrian peterson. you cant say who because the positions are different. you just prefer cb over rb and thats YOUR opinion. its not a fact because YOU say so.
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So, is it a fact if you say it? Your opinion holds the same weight as mine
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
IF he was the best player available then he would be number 1 overall
so he is not the best player available
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its not guaranteed he will be available.
vikings have a strong chance to take him
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right so there is no way to say hes the BPA if its not clear if he will be available or not.
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and once again you cant really compare a running back vs a cornerback on who is better
especially if they are on the same elite prospect level
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no they are not.
running backs have more responsibilities. run block and catch. a cb just covers and tackles. a running back will always produce more numbers than a cb can defensively
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It's easy to see that running backs are not as valuable as cornerbacks when you simply look at their salaries
The franchise tag for a cornerback will be around $9 million next year. For running backs, it’ll be at about $7 million.
http://footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2012/under-cap-2012-tag-projections-2
http://footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2012/under-cap-2012-tag-projections
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