Joe Philbin: Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coaching candidate
by Sander on Jan 19, 2012 12:00 PM EST
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PrintThe Tampa Bay Buccaneers requested and received the Green Bay Packers' permission to interview Green Bay offensive coordinator Joe Philbin earlier this week. Whether the interview has taken place or will take place is unclear at this point. He's considered a finalist for the Miami Dolphins' coaching job, so the Bucs have some competition for his services if they are genuinely interested in him.
Raiding the coaching staff of successful teams is a tried and not-so-true way of finding new head coaches, and no team has been more successful in recent years than the Green Bay Packers. Teams have been doing that for years, but the success has been mixed. None of the New England Patriots' assistant coaches have gone on to successful as head coaches, for instance, despite ample opportunity. Similarly, when the Bucs were raided in the late '90s and early '00s their coaches had some success - but the result hasn't been a championship for any of the assistants to leave Tampa Bay.
Will the Bucs feel they have struck gold with Joe Philbin despite those results or will he be just another name added to the list and then discarded?
Previous Experience
Graduate Assistant, Tulane, 1984-1985
Offensive line coach, WPI, 1986-1987
Offensive line coach, USMMA, 1988-1989
Offensive line coach/coordinator, Allegheny Colege, 1990-1993
Offensive line coach, Ohio, 1994
Offensive line coach/coordinator, Northeastern, 1995-1996
Offensive line coach/coordinator, Harvard, 1997-1998
Offensive line coach, Iowa, 1999-2002
Assistant offensive line coach, Green Bay Packers, 2003
Tight ends coach/assistant offensive line coach, Green Bay Packers, 2004-2005
Offensive line coach, Green Bay Packers, 2007-Present
Why Joe Philbin should be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' head coach
- Is the offensive coordinator of perhaps the best offense in the NFL
This is Joe Philbin's main claim to fame: he's the offensive coordinator of one of the best offenses in the NFL. That offense revolves around Aaron Rodgers and every offense would probably look good with Rodgers at the helm, but the Packers do a lot of innovative things with personnel packages, pre-snap movement and formations to make it easier on the Green Bay quarterback. Philbin could bring that aggressive, downfield passing attack to Tampa Bay. - Has a lot of experience at different levels
Joe Philbin has coached at a lot of different places in his career and has been exposed to many different coaching styles, though more so in college than in the NFL. This doesn't necessarily mean he himself is ready to be a head coach, but it does mean that he's seen what works and what doesn't work in a lot of different context and will be able to apply those lessons to his own coaching. - Could bring the Green Bay Packers' culture to the Buccaneers
Good teams and franchises have a quality culture in the building. They're focused on winning football game, and they know how to create an environment best suited to doing so. The Green Bay Packers have the right culture in their building, they know what it takes to win - and Joe Philbin could bring that culture to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
- How involved is he really in the Packers' offense?
It's no secret that the Packers' offense is really head coach Mike McCarthy's offense. He's the one who designs the offense in general, and he's the one who calls the plays on the field. So the question becomes: how much of the Packers' success on offense can be attributed to Joe Philbin's work? As a former offensive line coach, how involved is he in the passing game, the Packers' main strength? Philbin's main accomplishment in the NFL must be looked at critically, as it's unclear how much of it is really his doing. - Can he bring in a quality coaching staff?
Joe Philbin has a lot of experience at the college level, but his NFL experience is limited exclusively to the Green Bay Packers. So the question becomes: does he have the necessary connections to put together a quality coaching staff? Can he attract good assistant coaches and coordinators, something that is nearly as important as how good he is at the job of being a head coach? - Can he be a head coach?
This isn't an easy question to answer, but it's entirely unclear whether Philbin has what it takes to be a head coach. He has been an assistant coach his entire career and has never before been at the helm of a football team. Being an offensive coordinator is one thing, but being a head coach requires a very different skillset.
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"how much of the Packers' success on offense can be attributed to Joe Philbin's work?"
None, he’s Rodgers’ personal water boy and pats him on the bum when he’s grumpy.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Mike Tomlin won a couple of super bowls.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 PM EST via Android app reply actions
But he won a super bowl
regardless of what he had for a team the man won. I do not care about what he was or has been handed.
by Benjamin Patterson on Jan 19, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I do.
There’s a difference between a coach who rides talent to victory and a coach that can build a team and win due to schemes. Not every coach who wins a Super Bowl is a Super Bowl coach IMO, you can believe what you want but I have an asterisk next to their wins and do not annoit them “genius” like other poeple do.
Sure does suck winning a super bowl with a bunch of guys that Sam Wyche drafted.
We should return the trophy.
"I feel like I'm the best, but you're not going to get me to say that." - Jerry Rice
That is not what I'm saying at all.
My argument was annointing certain coaches, not if a team deserved a super bowl or not.
You can be handed a team but
You can be handed a super bowl team and still not make the playoffs just ask Norv Turner.
Gruden was handed an incomplete team...
that he completed. Tomlin was handed an “intact” team he just continued to guide.
Not the same thing at all…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
You can't be serious with that first part.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Well gruden was very succesful in oakland too and he was handed a pretty average offense here
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 19, 2012 6:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I will give him credit for Oak, he did get them to the playoffs.
He got the best from Gannon and Garner. What did he do in Tampa? Brought in Mccardell and Pittman, Pittman was descent and Mccardell was average. We won the Super Bowl because of a D that ranked frist in every stat, something that wasn’t done since the ‘85 Bears. It was not due to the offense, who I believe was 24th that year, only thing that helped was Johnson held his Int’s to 6, in 2003 went up to 21. For being a “Offensive Genius” Gruden’s offense was 10th in 2003, and 14th in 2008. Every other year it was in the 20’s., I cannot annoint him with names like everyone else seems too. His offense never took us anywhere.
I wasn’t comparing Gruden and Tomlin. Tomlin rode a championship caliber team, which is becoming more and more mediocre as time goes on. For some reason they consider Tomlin a great coach… bah. Tomlin inherited a “great situation”.
Probably the first time in history...
that the same coach basically got 2 teams into the Superbowl.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Have to disagree
Gruden did get Oakland there. But Tampa was already knocking on the Super Bowl door, we could’ve had any coach that year and won. I give Kiffin more credit than Gruden, the D was unmatched. Gruden is overhyped, can’t even stand listening to him talk as a commentator.
Knocking... for a while
but it was the offensive improvement, along with that great D, that finally kicked the door in. Even if you don’t like Gruden, he was at the helm and did what Tony Dungy never could – at least here.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I thought McCardell was terrific.
I never thought he got the credit he deserved. I didn’t care for Pittman, because despite the huge arms, he went down at the first contact everytime. Then when Graham would get on the field suddenly we would get ahead in the down and distance. Pittman was the guy above Graham the years Graham should have been our starter. I hold that against him perhaps unfairly.
by Brooklyn Buc on Jan 19, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
There were more players brought in than that
Thomas , Joe Jer. Plus the entire scheme changed
Jeff Jagozinski anyone?
He doesn’t call the plays… McCarthy does. And even then Rodgers probably has enough freedom to change the plays as he see’s fit. He hasn’t tutored Rodgers in any way… I really don’t know why he is getting all the buzz that he is, because I don’t think he has done all too much so far…
Your right
Most people are looking on the surface and only seeing the fact that he was the offensive coordinator of a high powered offense. If I’m going to hire an offensive coordinator for head coach give me a guy who calls plays.
Your not making any sense??
So you would want the guy who “calls” the plays and not the guy who actually designs them and draw them up?? I mean yeah McCarthy calls them and Rodgers has the liberty to audible out but im 100% sure he is changing to yet another play designed and thought up of by Philbin. Too many people put stock in who calls plays nowadays. After Sean Payton got hurt in the game in Tampa he never called the plays again for the rest of the season or playoffs, those responsibilities went to the offensive coordinator who clearly did a great job at it.
Peyton called the game from upstairs vis headset...
just because his leg was in a cast didn’t stop him from coaching as usual during games – just where he did it from.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
You're right that calling the plays isn't that relevant
But how do we know to what extent Philbin designs this offense?
You're right
Plus him being an O-line coach scares me a little. They ussually have a tendancy to be over conservative
Look
I’m not saying I wouldnt hire the guy as offensive coordinator. But for my money if you havent had experience as a head coach I would like him have successful experience as a play caller.
McCarthy was QB coach before he came a head coach
I just want us to hire a coach already
Not a fan of a guy who didn't call plays.
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Yes
A big par to of coaching is decision making. I would like to see at least a sample of that before I commit anyone to head coach. Especially an offensive mind.
Not too bothered that he doesn't call plays
If he can bring a good OC that calls the plays don’t see that as a major issue.
What bothers me more is that he’s risen from being OL coach and I don’t think the Packers have had a particularly good OL for some time.
Rodgers has taken a fair number of hits and the scheme has had to take account of the amount of pressure the line lets through.
That bothers me far more and makes me wonder what Philbin does bring.
Maybe he is designing the scheme McCarthy calls, and if so merits consideration for designing a scheme that covers a weakness he understands well, but if not I can’t see any positives.
the offensive line he started wig
Was past their prime tausher is done Clifton will be they drafted baluga who has looks good. Sherrod got Hirt this year and he was the 1st round pick.
by mooreCOWBELL on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
sorry commenting on my iPhone
The predicta type is worse than if it just left what I actually typed
by mooreCOWBELL on Jan 20, 2012 12:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
we can rule out
Spags he signed with saints today
by blountforce72 on Jan 19, 2012 6:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
we seriously got make a move because we gonna end up missing out on great coaches n corrdinators
by bucs86forever on Jan 19, 2012 7:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Makes out lives
Hell for a long while now.
by Bucsfan123 on Jan 19, 2012 7:09 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Move that bus
There better be a big reveal at the end of this wait. The Glazers and Dom better be losing sleep over this.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 19, 2012 7:30 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I vote Clements over Philbin.
Philbin controlled the O-Line and Running game. While Clements focused on the QB and Receiving side. If my memory serves me correctly. The o-line and running game hasn’t looked stellar over the last few years. But on the flip side, the Receiving game has been on fire.
I really want someone who can develop Freeman.. He is the most important thing on our offense right now. He needs to be at his very best and soon. There is only so many coaches in the league (available) who can do this. Clements is one of them.
I still want it to be
Marty Shottenhiemer -HC Normal 3 year deal with option for 2 more.
Tom Clements as the OC/Asst. HC- Signed for a hansome 5 year deal, while being groomed as the next HC. Plus this gives us a chance to see him as a play caller and see what he can do in that field.
DC- Well that is a toss up now. My pick was Spags or Zimmer. Spags obviously just went to the Saints. Zimmer, well I don’t think the Bengals would allow him to move laterally(even if he was the asst. HC instead of Clements).
My only guesses would be: Del Rio, R. Bisaccia, or up and comer Jim Tomsula(my fave)
Tho, If we had Marty as the HC. I believe our defense would be fine. That is his side of the field anyways.
Joe Philbin might want out of Wisconsin entirely
His young son did jail time for sexually assaulting two young girls and then sadly… lost his life in a drowning accident.
Philbin is an East Coast guy.
We NEED 2 hurry up!
The longer this process goes the less & less good coordinators will be available. Steve Spags just signed on as D-coordinator for the Saints (I wanted him in Tampa soo bad). I’m starting to get worried that the organization is gonna miss out on getting a GOOD solid staff together.
by InfamousHp on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Just as I was saying in my earlier post… we slipping
by bucs86forever on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
exactly…. we need to do something cuz the Glazers r killing up with this dramatic process
by bucs86forever on Jan 20, 2012 1:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe they want more then one candidate and they'll take the cheapest one
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 AM EST via Android app reply actions
We better not go cheap this time around because cheap isn’t a good tandem n losing always seem to come with being cheap
by bucs86forever on Jan 20, 2012 5:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
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