Mel Kiper Mock Draft: Bucs take Trent Richardson over Morris Claiborne
by Sander on Jan 18, 2012 6:50 PM EST
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PrintAnother day, another mock draft. This time ESPN's Mel Kiper rolls in with his first mock draft of the season(Insider). In it, he has the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select running back Trent Richardson despite the fact that Morris Claiborne was still on the board. I'll let him explain.
Don't simply dismiss the idea that Richardson could land here because of the presence of LaGarrette Blount. For one, we know that if you want a potent running game in the NFL, it can't be built simply around one running back. The reality of injuries is too much of a constant to overlook. Secondly, are the Bucs ready to commit to a longer deal with Blount after the 2012 season? Bottom line, the idea can't be dismissed from a team-building standpoint, and that's before you get to what kind of a player Richardson is. A physical freak, he is extraordinarily powerful, explodes from contact, has lower mileage than many third-year studs because he split carries as a freshman and sophomore with Mark Ingram and has developed as a pass-catcher. Richardson is a first-year impact player.
It's interesting that he mentions frequent injuries to running back as a reason to select Richardson. To me, that's a reason to stay away from investing valuable, high picks in a running back.
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we would have to be crazy to take a RB or WR this high
look at the top back in the league was undrafted Foster,
If we cant get Claiborne lets pull a belichick and trade out and hope some one stupid like
Atlanta gives us 4 picks for our first
Right now I'm neither for, or against Richdardson
How many times was Lumpkin targeted on third down? How many times did he pick up the first down, zero? Would any of those first downs been made by a guy like Richardson?
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 7:01 PM EST reply actions
Yeah but we could get lamicheal in 3rd or 4th round,the only great RB to come out of 1st round
in the last 10 years is Peterson and Johnson.
and i would still rather have good CB than a great RB
R u guys forgeting how many times Barber Lewis Talib and Biggers got beat not to mention our safties too
You mentioned getting a RB in the middle rounds.
This draft is pretty stocked as far as CBs go too. We could get some quality CBs in the 2nd round. Also there is free agency for CBs, it’s hard to find quality RBs through FA.
Oderint dum metuant
yeah but it takes CB longer to develop, so lets get a CB who has lots of talent that we can throw in right away
instead of drafting Biggers, mack,Lewis in mid rounds and hope they pan out
We need to have 2 good CBs, 3 would be a luxury.
Ask the eagles. I thing they would rather have a good LB than DRC.
Oderint dum metuant
u got to remember with the eagles
they did not have a offseason and there was a lot of new players on team
trust me this year they will be a hell of a lot better
No one had an offseason.
Plenty of teams had success with new head coaches, and that is harder to adapt than a couple of new players.
Oderint dum metuant
But...
The REAL reason the Eagles defense sucked with all that talent is because the coordinator was a offensive line coach his whole career. You can’t give someone keys to a Bentley & expect them to handle it, when they’ve never driven a car before.
by InfamousHp on Jan 18, 2012 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of Free Agency, attn: bucs nation writers challenge
Any of the writers on Bucs nation open to the challenge of doing a story showing what the Bucs “could” look like after FA & the draft. Identify gaps we have on our team (ie good receiver, 2nd RB, corner (or two), LB’s, OL) and get us a list of who is available in FA this year that we have a realistic chance of getting. Plus looking at who we may get in draft. I would love to see a look at a dream team. A realistic dream team and not just pie in the sky. I know there are so many variables, the biggest one being whether or not the Glazers truly open their wallet… But it would be a great piece to see. Anyone up for the challenge?
by gmaz1 on Jan 18, 2012 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is there a cash reward?
haha
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
a good cornerback is great thing to have
but what good is it if your offense can never pick up a third down
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see who converted more third downs, the ravens or the bucs
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
just saying defense is what josh needs,
he is not going to be a gunslinger, but if we have defense that can hold teams to 20 points…….
we have to draft according to our division. Newton, Brees and Ryan we have to be able to slow down
can't score if you can't pick up third down
need somebody that can do more than lumpkin
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
you think Lamicheal James is a franchise back?
He is one demintional..that was the problem with this team last year. When blount was on the field it was run. When Lumpkin on the field it was pass..Im sorry i dont see a back like Lamicheal James helping to sell a play action pass But ill bet some loot Richardson will keep the Defenses honest
You don't need a franchise back
And the Bucs passed plenty with Blount on the field. Lumpkin only came in when it was an obvious passing situation, so that gave nothing away either.
That's more about how they used Blount than what he's capable of
Regardless, that’s not some huge problem. You can build a good running game and dynamic offense with role players at running back.
we dont need a franchise back,
just some one with a different style than Blount
LMJ is Very Talented
If I’m not mistaken Blount already lobbied for him. Anybody who’s seen an OU game in the last 3 yrs know who #21 is, well at least until he stops in the back of the endzone. Chip Kelly did a wonderful job this past season showcasing James’ talent wether splitting him out in the slot, returning punts, handing it off to him, screens & draws out of the backfield. James gets knocked because he’s small but he’s made tons of big plays in his career. We take Claiborne if he’s there at 5 and LMJ if he slips to the second. 2 rounds 2 solid additions to both sides of the ball.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 18, 2012 7:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
That would be sweet
Imagine the quality picks we pick up in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. James in the 4th? Hell yea we don’t need one “every down” back that’s a thing of the past, we do it by committee with speed and power
by GoBuxGo on Jan 18, 2012 7:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
There is less risk taking a RB who is not a speed back
Like Bush than thier is taking a WR or CB
would love to have bush instead of lumpkin
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
bush does more than just pick up 3rd down
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
He's a glorified 3DRB.
He’s talented, but definitely not worth the 2nd pick overall.
Oderint dum metuant
I believe richardson may turn out to be a little better than bush
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Richardson would be a great addition...
no question about that. If Claiborne is still there at Pick 5 – we should take him. If he is already gone, we should try to find a trading partner.
If those first 2 options don’t work, and they may not, we could do worse that end up with Richardson.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 18, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
yeah is first 5 years he was ok not great if he was that good
saints would of never let him go
there have been so many...
mcfadden? deangelo williams? mendenhall? steven jackson? LT?
BUCS fan from CANADA
I would pick Claiborne, but I wouldn't be mad if we got Richardson.
He is very similar to Adrian Peterson, except he doesn’t have the injury history or fumbling issues. The Vikings felt like they stole Peterson at 7, so why shouldn’t we be happy to get Richardson at 5?
Oderint dum metuant
I suppose you can make that argument if you remove the fact that we have bigger needs elsewhere.
Barber and Talib may be goners, while we’ve seen what LGB can do if given the carries. Not to mention we need to be focusing on picking up a (say it with me folks because we’ve been singing this same tune for a couple years) speedy, change-of-pace back. We can find one in the later rounds and still address CB at 5.
Richardson is a special player, but I really don’t agree with picking a RB that high anymore. We are dangerously thin in the secondary.
We could get a CB in the second round and a CB/S in FA.
And getting Richardson would alleviate our offensive needs. If we actually use FA like normal teams do, then getting quality players late in the draft won’t be our only option like our past couple drafts.
Oderint dum metuant
Esp now
With the weed bust on Kirtpatrick, i believe in the second round. Winnfield, Hosley and either Jenkins or Denmon will be available..
Exactly, it isn't the end of the world if we wait 'till the second round to get a CB.
Oderint dum metuant
esp if our front 4 prgresses
We have made a great investment in our front 4 . IF they develope as they should and T-jacks come back to the player he was before. The d-backs should be fine with T-jack (FA-SS) Talib and a second round corner
LOL Dude
Ok let me break this down..First off YES u draft the best player. Need does NOT matter If Kalil is there and 5 and he is the TOP player on your board u take them..This stuff about drafting for need ? NO WAY , you fill out Your roster in the middle rounds not with a top 5 pick. GAINS ADAMS was a need pick and an epic fail. If the possision u draft at is a team streanth so what. The FACT of the matter is you then build an elite unit . if that elite unit is a d-line so what if it is an O-line so what.. YOU DO NOT SPEND A TOP 10 PICK ON A NEED.. youre drafting in the top 10 because you have multiple weakneeses and a lack of talent..YOU DRAFT THE BEST PLAYER or take a deal you cannot say no to.
69, so if the best player at #5 was a DE or DT you would want the Bucs to take him?
That’s absurd. The D-line is comprised of 4 players. Let’s just say for the sake of argument that Bowers, McCoy, and Clayborn end up panning out, and Price doesn’t. That won’t mean we still don’t end up with an elite D-Line.
But by your logic, you would still endorse taking another DE if that was the best player available? Even though we have dire needs at many other positions? What if Barber retires and Talib is suspended, and a DE is the best player available, with a CB being the second best? You’d still draft "the best player available “to build an elite unit” while ignoring a glaring hole in the secondary?
Yes it is exaactly what I mean
Worked for the Giants? How many FA do the Giants have to sighn? Not many , By drafting a d-end last year they built and elite unit. It was not a need. But it has made thier D-line elite threw the rotation that makes up for weakness in other areahs. Would u want to miss out on a DE that can dominate a game to draft a need?
I'd rather take an elite CB and spread the talent around.
Until the Glazers actually put their money where their mouth is and get active in FA, I don’t trust that we can ignore the secondary and worry about it then. I know you’re advocating taking a CB in the second round and I get the Giants comparison, but on a team that’s already spent two 1sts and two 2nds in the last two seasons on that one unit, it’s time to spread the wealth.
We've seen what LGB can do if given the carries?
The correct answer there is fumble, a lot. It doesn’t matter that he hurdles a guy once every two games if he is fumbling 2-3 times a game.
hear hear...
toast to you for “getting it” LGB will never be a good NFL RB until he learns to hold onto the ball. Does he have the potential? sure…but as of now, he is average…or below.
My point was we have much larger needs elsewhere.
As for Blount, I wasn’t talking about his hurdles, I was talking about his rookie season when we actually gave him the ball and he racked up 1,000 yards without even playing a full season. And I didn’t say we shouldn’t find him help, I said we shouldn’t do it with the 5th pick.
LGB’s fumbling is an issue, but one that can be fixed. I guess you wanted to cut Mike Alstott too huh?
No, I would not have cut Alstott.
I would have done exactly what the Bucs did, continue to use him as a blocker, but find someone else to give the ball to. Unfortunately Blount has never been used as a blocker, or rarely so he doesn’t have value there. I get what you are saying about having other needs, obviously a team that loses 10 games in a row will have many holes. But you just can’t have your main ball carrier, who you count on to run the ball 20-25 times a game putting it on the ground for 2 or 3 of those carries.
And the reason that it is especially relevant is that Richardson doesn’t fumble, among his many other strengths.
• Lost just one fumble in 614 career touches
• Has not lost a fumble in his last 550 touches
Yeah what has Adrian done for vikings, yeah he is great, but if u have a good O-LINE any back will do
Look at the Raiders, jets, 49ers, jags, seahawks it doesnt matter what RB u have in they are going to be good at running the ball. i would rather have a good O-line.
Our o-line isn't bad at run blocking, if anything, that's the strength of our offense.
Oderint dum metuant
we r old on oline
Faine and trueblood need to be replaced
They are serviceable.
We could live with them 1 or 2 more years, but we definitely need to look for a long term replacement.
Oderint dum metuant
No, sorry, RT is by a mile
Trueblood’s pass protection is really, really bad. It should be a priority to replace him with either a mid round pick or a free agent.
Would Cinci give us there #17 and #21 for our #5
Then we could get Kirkpatrick/ Dennard and then Jeffery/ Barron.
kirkpatrick will probably gone by 17 if we pick there your looking at probably kuechly and jefferies or the notre dame reciever
No to Kuechly
he’s probably going to be available in the second round. Just isn’t explosive or athletic enough to warrant that high of a selection. Fundammentally sound football player, but first rounders are depended on to be elite level starters.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
running backs will fall to the mid first to late first
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
what would the nati need to trade up for
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
for?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Cinci Needs a back like Richardson
by GoBuxGo on Jan 18, 2012 9:08 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
yes but
running backs are disposable. you don’t give up picks for one.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that you shouldn't give up picks for a RB, but you can't say MJD or Peterson are disposable.
Same for McCoy, Foster, Rice.
Oderint dum metuant
they burn out within 5 years.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
We dont know that anymore
A few years ago yes . But now with dual backs, Noone knows if backs will last untill they are 33 or so.
Plus, with more passing
Rbs are taking lesss of a pounding. This could all very well equal longer careers.
i don't think RB are worth a top 5 pick anymore.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Listen to this
“with dual backs” and “less pounding with more passing”. Both of those mean the RB doesn’t have the value he once had. And if you use them like they used to then they wear out fast. Every argument here screams don’t blow your wad on a running back.
There is also something to be said...
for being able to control the clock, consistantly move the chains and stay out of situations where you are forced to throw. A strong running game (a la HOU) allows play action to become far more effective and keeps the opposing DEF back on their heels. Turnovers happen more frequently when a DEF knows what you have to do… a successful balanced attack will keep then guessing. Maybe our single biggest offensive problem last year was Greg Olsons predictability and lousy play calling. We are forced to throw (either because we won’t run the ball or we get behing early) and the opposing D is just sitting back and waiting.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not denying the advantage of the running game
but you can get a solid running game with a solid line and scrubs at RB, assuming Olson isn’t your OC. I am absolutely in favor of running the ball way more than we have been, but you don’t need Richardson to do that effectively.
Saw a mock this morning that had us taking Claiborne/Mike Adams/LaMichael James. The option of upgrading RT, moving Trueblood to LG or getting Grubbs/Nicks, and sliding Zuttah to center would do magic for our running game under a new coordinator.
I like the Mike Adams pick...
he is a big agile tackle and solves our issue at RT. Some here are all about LeMichael James, but I don’t share their excitement. I think he small and is very one-dimensional. Not as confident all of that would translate to the pro game with the same success he had in college. Prefer the F/A signing of Ryan Grant AND the selection of a scat-back. We need better depth at RB anyway, as Blumpkin sucks and Madu is an unknown.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
What do you think about Polk?
I like him better than James but I don’t think he’ll be there in the 3rd. I also don’t think he’d be a good pick in the 2nd. Too high. I like James a lot though. He has some explosiveness that we sorely lack. I think he’d be a great compliment to Blount.
James is one dimensional
Thats the only dimension we need from him. We would exclusively be a third down back and kr/pr.
we were too preditctable.
You knew who and when we were throwing and when and where we were running too.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Getting behind early is part of our problem...
but its hard to say why that happened. Its easy to point the finger at the DEF, but 3-and-outs by our poor offense gives the opposing teams offenses better field position and that many more chances to score.
It is a combination of suck…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
No defense is effective
If the offense does nothing with the football. How do you insure that does not happen keep the other offense off the field by running the ball effectively. How can we do that? Draft Richardson and commit to him and Blount to carry the load, that will give freeman a whole lighter load to carry and it will keep our defense fresh
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Come on
This defense was the worst in Buc’s history. Yes, the offense stunk it up, but you can’t pin worst in history on the offense.
They may have been a little more effective
If the offense could establish something consistently
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Think logically
The pats defense would be even worse if the offense was ineffective
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I am thinking logically
It makes no logical sense to say the worst defense in Bucs history was the fault of the offense. None. Zero. Zilch. Nil. Nein.
I still think it was a combination of suck...
DEF was bad – hell yeah. Offense was pretty bad too. We had way too many turnovers, which often led to a very short field for the opposing offenses. Tough to keep people from scoring when they only have to go 35 yards.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
MJD was in his 6th year.
He led the league in rushing, and had his best year of the 6.
Oderint dum metuant
how many of the playoff teams had first round running backs?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Mendenhall, McGahee, Ricky Williams, Benson
4/12, even though your question had nothing to do with the conversation.
Oderint dum metuant
mcgahee didn't contribute, lol @ all the rest.
mendenhall was drafted where in the first round?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
not one of them worth drafting in the top 15.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
it means everything.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
RBs have taken slides in the draft
Because their has been a rise in the amount of quality RBs.
Now if thier has been proper scouting on Trent , (no reason to believe it is bad scouting) Then we are talking about an elite back . Not a quaility back
we can not take rb with top 5 pick
and become the raider and lions from the 2000s
only 1 of them were drafted in 1st round
u made my point for me get RB in mid rounds
They won't give up picks for him
He will be there later on.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
The reason we suck is because when we had the chance to draft difference makers we FAILED. We picked in the top five 3 times since 2005, only GMC is still on the roster.
In 2007 we passed on AP, Revis Island, Lawrence Timmons, Jon Beason, Ben Grubbs and Patrick Willis for Gaines. In 2005 passed on Demarcus Ware, Logan Mankins, Roddy White, Aaron Rodgers for Cadillac Williams (which is why I’m against drafting Richardson). Verdict is still out on GMC, but so far it isn’t looking good. Point is it’s no wonder why we suck, look at our horrible decisions when equipped with a difference changing draft pick. The guys I listed are guys drafted in the first round after our pick, I didn’t even mention the other later round steals like Jimmy Graham or Shady McCoy
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
You also got to think about the situations those other guys went too
When we drafted caddy in 05 we were not thinking defense then we got caddy and I think we won 12 games that year injuries plagued his career. Yea we missed on some picks every team does, but
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 7:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
haha exactly... Blount is a serviceable time share/ starter
whom we can compliment rather cheaply (which the Glazer’s will love). We need someone to lead the battle against Brees, Newton, and Ryan for the next decade.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
But
I dont think aaron rodgers is real great if he doesn’t go to greenbay. Also everyone says don’t take running backs high, check this our. Richardson its the highest rated running back since RunDmc and AP before him, I don’t know too many teams who would not take one of those two guys on there team. Running the football is a big part of winning the superbowl with Richardson and Blount we have a superbowl type run game
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 7:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Or we could end up with Ronnie Brown and Cedric Benson who were "sure things"
Pointless to invest so much into such an easy position to effectively fill. Just think Matt Forte, Shady McCoy, Ray Rice, MJD, and know that they were acquired with no higher than a round two pick. Arian Foster went undrafted.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
We missed on every top five pick this decade!
Our lack of talent illustrates that. I love GMC, he’s a heck of a nice guy off the field but as of right now you can’t say we haven’t hurt outselves with our ineffective top five draft picks.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
my other problem is how much of blounts issues were just bad playcalling or lack of touches and some of our weaknesses can be attributed to bad scheme but the most blatant need is cb
Yeah Olson rushing him any less than 12 times per game was repulsive.
I still see Blount as having Jerome Bettis like potential and don’t understand the point of replacing him. Compliment this year, it’s his contract year we’l find out just how good he really can be.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Olsen is a bum
He just force him up the middle and expected Blount to make something happen. LGB is a good solid back who can do different things for a man his size, Olsen misused him. His fumbling is another thing but it isn’t Tiki Barber bad, yet.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 18, 2012 7:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Your right
Now think of him and richardson in a offense that will utilize their talents, that is a straight problem to deal with
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 8:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No, no, no Keyser
Think of adding a playmaker to our secondary, and adding a Lamar Miller or LaMichael James with a later draft pick. Still have a bulldozer, and we have some speedy hands out of the backfield. Also giving us a weapon to move around of defense and potentially haunt Cam, Ryan, and Brees for the duration of their careers here in the dirty South.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
I don't think championship when I think about those other backs
How do you take the pressure of off Freeman you run the ball effectively. You want to slow down the other qbs in our division you the ball effectively to keep then off the field. A effective defense is one that is not on the field all the time, how do you do that you run the ball effectively. How do you run the ball effectively? You have a stable of backs that can take on any defense with Richardson and Blount you have that.
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 8:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
David Wilson from Virginia Tech
I dont hear his name enough. RUNS ANGRY. And is probably the second or third fastest back in the draft. and also Jeff Demps THE fastest back in the draft runs a 4.2.4 and will probably be available in the 4th round. Point is there is a lot of offensive talent in this draft I wouldnt waste it on a first round pick when we need a defensive pick and then we can load up on offense in the later rounds
Damnit when did this happen!
The point is there are plenty of weapons on offense this year in the draft. All the more reason to get morris or kirkpatrick first.
Ball security
I believe he has had 6 or 7 fumbles this year. That is a lot for college.
Wilson is fast, but he's not a good running back
He has the physical traits, but not the vision or decision-making ability to be a quality running back.
Blount & James
Would be a perfect tandem IMO. James’ ability to hit the burners once he finds a seam or the corner it’s lights out for a D. The fact that we can possibly see him in the 3rd or 4th makes him more alluring as a prospect.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 18, 2012 8:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
For every point you make about missing with runningbacks
I can say the same thing for every position. Also GMC carrer as started out like Matthew Stafford he looked good when he is healthy but can he stay healthy we seen what he can do what Stafford can do when he is 100% let Mccoy prove he can stay healthy cause when he is he is a straight beast.
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 7:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Agree with that statement. Obviously we went 0-10 without him.
I’m not knocking GMC, just stating that we can’t afford to pick another bust in the top five. Picking a running back only enhances the chances of doing so.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
plus you choose would you take revis or ap personaly i would take revis and that could be the decision were looking at
CBs last longer.
Can you remember any of the top backs taken when a guy like Champ Bailey was drafted?
by GoBuxGo on Jan 18, 2012 7:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
That corner is not revis good
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 7:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That still doesn't
Take away from Champ Bailey being a solid DB for Years.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 18, 2012 8:01 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Please use the subject line
And try to type with a little more attention to detail. Capital letters, punctuation and spelling are not luxuries.
Then think of him more then a running back
Richardson has franchise changing potential. You say that a pounding run game is not key in the league any more but 3 of the 4 teams left in the playoffs have psychical run games. And the top 2 passing offenses are at home. I think drafting richardson says you want to win the superbowl at the position we are in. I mean doing this helps freeman and our defense in so many ways
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 7:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Patriots have spent next to nothing on their stable of backs.
They still get solid production when they need it. We’l never be able to run the ball if our defense gets torched every time down the field. Sure up the pass defense in a division that features elite passing offenses.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
When the Pats won those superbowls
They ran the football effectively
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 8:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
that's because bruce allen shouldn't be allowed in the nfl
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Look tampa needs guys who can carry the load
Is the claiborne guy that good we don’t know, if I draft corner that high I want to be sure he can come in and be effectively shutting down his part of the field right away. from what I’ve seen from claiborne I’m not sure he can do that, I think he is carlos rodgers good at best. Now with trent you getting a guy who can carry the load and him and blount together is a straight problem for any defense. He will probably be the best player on the board when we draft and he is a guy that gives our offense a instant upgrade
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 7:21 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Ok and Cadillac Williams looked like a guy to carry the load.
He’s unemployed right now man. I love Caddy but truth is backs don’t hold up. Larry Johnson and Shaun Alexander would’ve had legendary careers, but they were uneffective by the age of 30. We could conceivably get an additional five years of solid production out of a corner than we could a running back.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
CADDY was a man who could carry the load
Thats an injury case.. You cant decide who u will draft that way unless its a previous injury
You do believe Caddy would have been a VERY good back had he not been hurt correct?
You can’t say backs do not hold up Ill say names like Payton , Dickerson , Emitt Smith and Marcus Allen.. You can name players from any possition who go down with injuries..no one is safe..Its a gladiator sport that we love..GO BUCS:)
Yes I know Cadillac would've been great had it not been for the injury.
Dude those backs held up, and we’re in 2012 now. It isn’t the old school ground and pound NFL anymore, the premium on running backs just isn’t there my man.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Matt Forte, Arian Foster, Lesean McCoy, Ray Rice
are pretty much all in the top third of the NFL. Some would argue depending on the system that these guys might be better than AP. None of those guys were drafted in the first round. C.J Spiller and Ryan Mathews are both above average to very good players. They aren’t guys that make their teams winners though. Good backs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. We need to hit on this pick so bad, after seeing the return of drafting Cadillac and watching Revis, Willis, and others continue to dominate I would hope this would open eyes.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
AP is better than all of them.
AP has played for bad teams.. Does not mean he is not a batter back. Put AP on houston or batimore and see what would happen
AP is the most physically gifted back in the league. yes....
Does Minnesota ever win because they have a punishing ground game… They used to win because they had a sick defense, which allowed them to pound AP and take the occasional shot with Farve. When AP got hurt, Toby Gerhart stepped in and the Vikings were still as effective.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Why would the Vikings draft Toby Gerhart in the first round with AP on board?
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
I just looked it up Gerhart was the 51st pick in the 2010 drafft.
Minnesota didn’t have a first round pick they drafted some Cook DB like 35th and Gerhart 51st (which was a waste imo)
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
I've had a much harder time looking things up today without wikipedia.
It’s so frustrating.
Oderint dum metuant
Watch, with everyone going back and forth with the Claiborne/Richardson debate, Dom will draft Blackmon.
Oderint dum metuant
I've seen too many WRs taken in the top 10 become busts.
I’d rather not risk it.
Oderint dum metuant
Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, Marshawn Lynch (bust until this career rejuvenation... must be the rainbow)
all say hello
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Lynch wasn't a top 10 pick
And for the other three, they had enough quality seasons to not be a straight up failure.
Oderint dum metuant
Lynch was picked 12th...
at the very least he was 14th…
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
With the fifth pick in the freakin draft we can't afford to pick just a guy that isn't a straight up failure
we need to pick a superstar that will go to battle for the next decade. Maximize the value of the draft pick.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Well we surely could do better than we have this decade
that is for certain.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Other than Joseph, Clayborn, Free and maybe GMC, our 1st round picks have sucked.
Oderint dum metuant
This is what I've been saying but only spoke of the top five picks.
Verdicts still out on Free and McCoy but both have at least showed they can play very well at this level. Talib’s arguably our most talented player and was picked 20th I believe.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
New coach will probably get rid of him to set a precedent.
Hopefully we can trade him, similar to the Holmes senario.
Oderint dum metuant
Yeah cutting him would be a waste...
Talib is my favorite player on defense, but I love my Bucs more than any one individual player. If it is what is ultimately best for the team I won’t bash it, if we do it for no good reason whatsoever I’ll be opposed.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
With all the he's done since he's been drafted, it definitely wouldn't be for no reason.
Oderint dum metuant
I can't defend him...
I overlooked his wrongdoings because I thought he would step into the elite level corners and all would be swept under the rug, his play this year doesn’t warrant me bothering to defend him anymore.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
We knew what we were getting into.
The only reason he dropped to us was because of character issues.
Oderint dum metuant
I would love the pick I think...
just really worried he’s simply a more ball hawk like Mike Williams. Not overly fast, uses size to advantage but doesn’t really open up the offense.. He looks to have some better open field moves than Williams though.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Is everyone forgetting the good rookie years our WR had,
give them one more year, before we right them off, we just need a fast WR to streach the feild
and Blackmon is not fast
exactly....
Give us some speed opposite of Mike and watch him prey on single coverage. He looked like he would grow into a top ten receiver his rookie year. What changed in the matter of months?
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
God what I would do to watch FreemanBomb to a "playmaker" like receiver
for the next ten years. I think Alshon Jefferey will have more immediate success than Blackmon.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
You may be right about that one
Plus that blackmon guy did not run away from a lot of college corners
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 7:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Blackmon's vertical leap was suspect on SC
but after the combine I’ll have a better judge where I rank Blackmon, Richardson, and Claiborne. Right now my first choice is Claiborne though.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
True we will have better idea
Caiborne would be my first choice followed by blackmon then richardson.
does no one else think we should trade out if we cant get Claiborne
i just see to many weak spots on our team, and ATtlanta gave 4 picks for Jones for the 6th pick, whick is stupid cause i dont think Jones is worth 4 players
Yes I certainly think that if we can pull a king's ransom it's obviously the right move.
There just aren’t enough QB’s in the draft to probably net us a ridiculous deal. I really don’t want to trade back to get a bunch of servicable guys if we can draft an All Pro talent though.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Totally agree with you!!!
We need guys that will make a good impact and turn this team around ASAP. We already have enough hurdles ahead of us.
by InfamousHp on Jan 18, 2012 7:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bucs will most likely give Freeman another year or two...
I love watching RG play though.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
In a heartbeat... Like Free and all but it was Rah's guy
new coach could completely start a new era.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
We will be going into year 4 of the Freeman regime..
Year one is a wash and doesn’t really count, he was a rookie who even won his first career start and first win of Rah’s career. Showed potential but made poor decisions Year two he showed he could be an upper echelon quarterback and proved to be clutch in the forth quarter. Year three took the step back that most young guys do. I look for him to rebound, but at the same time his contracts up after two years. Luck is a once a decade type quarterback prospect, no way he’l even be there at five. Kinda a pointless topic.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
LOL I been playing Madden 12 with Andrew Luck as our QB
it is a much more enjoyable experience I might add!!
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Imo freeman should only get next year
If he stinks up the joint then we should immediately be looking for a qb and making it open condition
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
2 years left on his contract iirc
He’ll get both years unless he is an absolute train wreck this year.
2011 was pretty bad
Another painful year like this and he should be outta here
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 19, 2012 10:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
STOP.
No one has seen Luck in an NFL game, and im sure you dont work as a scout. Nothing will be given to Luck, he could have bust all over him and personally i hope he does choke. Then EVERYONE who is “anyone” will have been wrong. That will cause everyone to be mum on scouting players. There is nothing set in stone that says andrew luck will be anything of a QB in the league. You dont know and you cant prove it. Let the kid play and see what happens. Stop anointing this guy.
Free agency
We can add parts around freeman in free agency. We need to plug so many holes we need to use all the resources we have. If that means trading a pick. Ill take it.
We need to get some support for Freeman. He is our future and can take us further than any other player on the roster.
So, I’d be fine with Richardson or Blackmon.
Who has taken a skill posistion in last 10 years with top 5 pick
Raiders and Lions, 2000s
Lets not follow in there footsteps
Since 2003, here are some of the skill players (QB, WR, RB) that were selected in the top 5
AJ Green – Bengals
Cam Newton – Panthers
Sam Bradford – Rams
Stafford – Lions
Sanchez – Jets
Matt Ryan – Falcons
McFadden – Raiders
Calvin Johnson – Lions
Reggie Bush – Saints
All of the top 5 in the ’05 Draft
Rivers – Giants, then Chargers
Fitzgerald – Cardinals
E. Manning – Chargers, then Giants
Andre Johnson – Texans
Carson Palmer – Bengals
Granted, there are the JaMarcus Russell’s and Charles Rogers’ that were also picked in the top 5, but the majority of the players were serviceable or future pro bowlers.
I'm okay with this pick only if...
We get a CB in the 2nd round that’s worth a damn, and we land a top free agent corner to make a impact right away.
by InfamousHp on Jan 18, 2012 7:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree. A lot of our draft issues can be solved if our owners decide to actually spend money.
And like I said above you, we need to build around Freeman. He needs playmakers around him that he can grow with.
Bwahahahhahahahahahahha owners spend money bwahahahhahahahahaha
Like saying Raheem Morris should be begged to return..
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
blackmon looks like mike williams we need a desean jackson type so i would prefer the notre dame or baylor reciever
With the other wideouts we have
We don’t need jackson to go over the middle
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yea but you gotta think about a quick wr screen
A run from the backfield on a reverse. Its alot more then just running a deep route. He’s worth it I think. He played hard before the contract issue and he didn’t handle it right but imagine how he felt. Everyone got paid except for him
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 18, 2012 10:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If Mike Williams had ever looked like Blackmon in college
He would not have made in out of the second round.
Yes 3rd or 4th Wr on the board
But not near Blackmon
Michael Floyd won't fall to the second round unless he bombs the combine...
Kendall Wright is a very intriging option though.. I think he’d look spectacular in pewter, but if Mark Barron is there with our second pick think we have to pick him. Sean Jones is one of the worst safeties I’ve ever watched for an extended period. He was almost Sabby bad this year.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
My Board Would Be ........... In This Order
1st Round :
Cb: Morris Claiborne Lsu
Rb: Trent Richardson Ala
Ot: John Martin Stan
Wr: Justin Blackmon Okla St
2nd Round :
Rb: Lamar Miller Mia
Lb: Sean Spence Mia Or Vontaze Burflict Asu
Ss: Mark Barron Ala
Cb: Jayron Hosley Vt Or Stephon Gilmore S.Carolina
3rd Round
Wr: Tommy Streeter Mia Or Juron Criner Ariz Or Travis Benjamin Mia
Te: Orson Charles Georgia
Lb: Travis Lewis Ou
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 18, 2012 7:53 PM EST reply actions
Ray Ray Armstrong for SS would be nice
he’s 6’4" and runs like a deer.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Ray Ray Armstrong
Returned For His Senior Year .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 18, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's a compliment, but it sounds like your making fun. Deers don't really strike fear into anyone.
he’s 6’4" and runs like a deer.
Oderint dum metuant
Well they run smooth and fast haha
Didn’t know he’s returning though so it doesn’t really matter.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
The deer stride
Is the advantage
by keysersoze19 on Jan 18, 2012 8:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Sean Spence is even faster
Spence gained 10 pounds to 220lbs I believe , I have wondered if he droped the 10 pounts and went down to 210 if he could play SS . He runs a 4.4 i believe.
Naw Thats It
Hey Look At The Playoff’s ……..
As Well As The Pro Bowl ………
You Tell Me .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 18, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
He has a point, but Miami's run is over now.
They aren’t near the talent farm that they used to be.
Oderint dum metuant
Listen .......
Miami Hasnt Had A Coach To Develop Talent While There In College .
They Still Do Perform In The Nfl .
In Recent Years We Still Have Put Some Of The Best Talent In The League We Had 12 Players Drafted Last Year .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 18, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
12 players in the entire draft last year, but you used to have 12 players in the first 2 rounds.
Miami isn’t what it used to be.
Oderint dum metuant
It seems like it would take a lot of extra effort to type like that.
Maybe he’s working on trying to strengthen his pinkies. Who are we to judge someone who wants strong pinkies.?
Oderint dum metuant
I'd be really happy if we got that type of first three picks this year.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
The U hasn't quite pumped out linebackers like they used to
but they are tight end university. Jimmy Graham, Greg Olson, Kellen Winslow have all been solid throughout their careers.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Miami Will
Always Be The Nfl Top Pipe Line .
In With Al Golden We Gonna Get Back He Was Developing Guys At Temple Getting Them Drafted So Stay Tuned If You A U Hater .( Keyword : If )
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 18, 2012 8:07 PM EST reply actions
The Big East Misses them the most
Speaking of which is Larry Coker still coaching? We should interview him.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
First Of All
Yall Bring That Topic Up , Its Well Known What The U Do in The National Football League Rather You Like It Or Not So Skip That In Talk About The Draft
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 18, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Why Is Every Word Capitalized?
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed I Am
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
He wants strong pinkies.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Jan 18, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ITHINKEVERYSENTENCESHOULDBETYPEDLIKETHIS
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Normally I wouldn't care but it just seems like an odd style to use caps on every word
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody
Who Has A Problem With My Typing We Can Meet At Leroy Selmons In Talk About It .
Any Takers ?
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 18, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
sure, I'll be there if you want to buy my plane ticket
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Lee Roy Selmons!
Man I love their biscuits with the BBQ sauce on them. When do you want to meet?
Oderint dum metuant
I'm new to Tampa and have always wanted to try it..
Is it like a fancy sports bar or more of a casual restaurant?
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
At The Same Time
We Talking About Football , This Is Not A English Or Grammar Site Yall Need To Man Up Yall Whiners .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 18, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Watch your tongue sir.
No one talks to Sander like that. Plus, you need to know proper grammar for life in general.
Oderint dum metuant
Maybe not to you.
It just makes it smoother and easier for everyone to read if you try to have proper grammar. He isn’t nit picking commas or periods here and there, just try to put forth a little effort.
Oderint dum metuant
Na it was overboard on mine
Maybe, He was upset with Sean . I dont know. I may miss some but i do make an effort
Well you all know how i feel.
Richardson, we draft a CB in the 2nd. Plenty of good CB’s that will be available. Maybe the deepest CB class in quite some time, and a veteran FA CB.Point blank. Its good to see others see my point.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
If we had only picked up Jonathan Joseph last year...
by Bucs on Jan 18, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Brandon Carr seems like an OK gamble
Although, he had a down year and I expect him to command a bunch of money. At 25 years old, it might be worth it.
He isn't a problem in the locker room, he is just a dirty player.
He is the corner, non-smiling version of Hines ward.
Oderint dum metuant
all of this draft chat is fun and great but until the combine we can't base our opinion fully.
Claiborne has two years of excellent game tape and an outstanding pedigree being a two year starter for Les Miles. LSU corners are put on islands and they have an outstanding reputation for their defense. Richardson on the other hand has three years of solid tape, just the positional scarcity and bust risk makes me lean towards Mo Claiborne. Blackmon and Jefferey will have to run well at the combine for me to want either with a top five pick. Blackmon reminds me of Crabtree, who wouldn’t be worth this high of a pick imo.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Would u take LMJ if he fell to the 3rd or 4th
And was just chillin…on the board….just waiting to be drafted?
by GoBuxGo on Jan 18, 2012 8:29 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes I love watching him play
Than he and Blount can be all buddy/buddy similar to WD/40 back in the day!
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
No
He’s Injury Prone
It’s Either
Trent richardson
Lamar Miller
David Wilson
Chris Polk
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 18, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I Agree
But Work Ethic & Potential My Pick Is Trent Richardson There Isnt Anything About Him That You Could Put His Name In Bust In The Same Sentence .
Claiborne Maybe …..
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 18, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
drafting a running back before the mid first is a waste of a high first round pick.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Look if there was a gurantee that in the second or third if we draft Richardson
we still could land a Stephon Gilmore,Alfonzo Dennard, or Janoris Jenkins in the second AND a quality safety/rb/wr in the third I’d be all for it.
However we have a much better chance of taking Claiborne in the first, drafting a solid linebacker/safety in the second, and taking a chance on a speedster on offense in the mid rounds and that pick actually panning out.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
The only problem I see with this is
My take is that when the Bucs pick in the 2nd the best player on the board will be a CB . I honestly do , I believe that out of Hosley , Dennard, Jenkins , Winnfield and Gilmore that 3 or 4 will still be there.
lol what the heck!!
this is 69her , i lost my posting privaliges why? no profanity?nothing. I DONT GET IT AT ALL please explain
yeah ill say
You know i may not agree with everyone ..but i do read and respect everyones opinion. I do not get this ban at all.. Why for comming to ask?
I got one to and this is the second day of restored posting privelges.
So much to talk about being a Buc fan now, you might as well swallow your pride and work something out with Sander. This is a very exciting time to be a fan right now, I’m really enjoying the chance to talk to so many other fans.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
No, you didn't, I only warned you
You can still post with the 69her name.
That said, this name is now banned. What, you think circumventing a ban is a good way to get unbanned?
First off i Read very well
I recieved a message ‘’ You are no longer aloowed to post on this site’’ That is banned correct? Secondly , I do respect you and the work you do for this site. But i was not aware this was a spelling Bee or a place for punctuation to be graded on. MAYBE You should get of your high horse a little. Or install a spell check? Now was all this clear enough or shall i have someone reformat it for me?
This site has rules and guidelines, which include a minimum quality of commenting
I have no way of telling which message you saw or didn’t see. I can tell you that you were never banned from this site.
Well, I will say that i believe You are taking it to far by warning me:)
Am i perfect ? No sir, I am not . But i do put in a legitiment effort.
anybody that has a problem with 69her should probably meet up at Mons Venus
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
We should do our Bucsnation get together there.
We could have a little table with cake and ice cream and some lemonade. When is this going down?
Oderint dum metuant
ask 69her when it's going down he is the expert
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think we should take Claiborne if he's there
and I think it is a no brainer. I will say Richardson looks like he’ll be an excellent player, and I wouldn’t be upset if we ended up with him.
Speaking of 69ng I'm just hoping Free got all the tail chasing he felt necessary accomplished
and can now focus on being a productive NFL quarterback again. You know Josh, if you’re actually good at your job you will make much more money in the long run. Don’t settle for a millionaires club when you have potential for so much more.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Haha sure to draw some attention...But did anyone else hear of this super model girl friend of Freeman's this year?
Women sap motivation, its true its true!
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Honestly no idea of a name
Some clown on 620am brought it up during the season though.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
freeman suffered from poor coaching, poor play calling, and poor team mates.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
He tried to force the ball when he shouldnt
but I won’t blame him for trying to make plays when your offensive scheme is garbage, and your WRs give up on routes.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing is wrong with making a play
Turning the ball over is an entirely different monster.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 18, 2012 8:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
it happens, and happened to great QBs a lot when they had garbage around them and bad coaches
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
We could make a whole list
Of QBs that had bad turnover season but then went on to become great. This year was a product of him taking chances, dropped balls and poor coaching
don't forget if you can't fire a gun without hurting yourself you should probably refrain from firing a gun
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 18, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah stick to 69ng
You can only sprain a tongue:)~~
haha too funny right there
how did he even manage to do that anyway?
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Idk, apparently he's pretty experienced with guns too.
So it wasn’t his first time or anything.
Oderint dum metuant
he placed his hand too high on the gun and the slide
pinched/sliced his skin between the thumb and the forefinger when he fired it.
I have a lady friend that is always in the south Tampa mix of clubs and bars
She said Freeman is all about the ladies! Cant say i blame him theres some nice tail in S. Tampa! Did anyone read what Chidi Ahanatu wrote on the Pewter report about freeman being extremely arrogant?
When Freeman got drafted legend says Chidi wanted him to hang out and Freeman didn't even know who he was...
Naturally Freeman never hung out him so Chidi took it as an insult. This is what I heard about the Freeman/Chidi relationship, no idea if its true or not.
Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!
Chidi seems to have some personal battles accepting the fact that josh didn't want to hang with him
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 19, 2012 10:42 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
For the record...
I don’t want to hang out with Chidi either. I will offer to be Freemans wing-man though.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I have seen him out multiple times as well...
…Hyde Park Cafe…Wings Gone Wild…in S. Tampa.
That being said, he’s a 23 year old NFL QB. I would be doing the same thing…anyone would. He has a life.
How does mel kiper have a job
he’s dumb and almost is always wrong. He changes his predictions the morning of the draft and claims he was right.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 18, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I say we go for it!
No one ever Drafts a RB in the first round but Richardson seems to be the full package. Blocker, Pass catcher and Badass RB! He will make an Immediate impact which we need! The tandem of him and Blount would be NASTY!!! True we need help in the secondary but we can pick them up in the middle rounds.
I am not saying...
..the Bucs will or should pick T-Rich. However, in my opinion, he will walk into the NFL and be a top 5 running back from day one. I’ve seen him do it all. Run past people, run over people, juke people out of their shoes, and even lay out and catch fade pattern catches over his head. There arent too many guys in his class….if any.
Long time fan medium time reader first comment
Has any one ever thought about a splash signing of Forte with a pick of claiborn or a splash of finnegan an a pick of Richardson ???
by Buc$Fan on Jan 19, 2012 8:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
except its got to be either richardson or sign forte in the offseason.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
I'd hate signing a guy coming off an injury, even though Forte was playing really well.
It’s like buying a 2011 used BMW that has been in a wreck. It may look nice, but you’re always wondering when the problems are going to start.
But if we don’t go after Richardson, by all means… sign Forte.
I also think GBs Ryan Grant would be a nice signing...
we don’t have a solid pass-catching RB on our roster and he excells in that capacity. Not a big splash kind of signing, but he would come a lot cheaper than Forte and contribute well.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Grant is well above average back
Buth with rodgers and their receiving core, no need to run the ball.
Forte is a high character workhorse who id love to have on my team
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Tell me this
Who wants to play a power run team who has richardson and blount as their running backs
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 11:25 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Good teams look forward to the challenge
But no defender looks forward to having to defend a effective physical run team. We did not have dominate offense during the glory days but none looked forward to stopping the A-train and Dunn
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 11:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
No one out there wanted to...
be the last person between Alstott and a touchdown.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 19, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Thats my point
Its a asset to have that intimidating factor on your team.
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Intimidation isn't nearly as important as actually scoring points
I’m not interested in whether opposing teams like to tackle the Bucs’ running backs. I’m interested in whether or not the Bucs offense is efficient.
That intimidating factor
Is what makes the offense effective, none would care or be intimidated if it was ineffective
by keysersoze19 on Jan 19, 2012 12:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think we can pickup
a decent RB in the later rounds, or in FA; If we can get Claiborne, if we can just get off the field and get Freeman and LeGarret Blount more touches, we’re going to do so REAL damage! I think if our DLine gets better, gets more pressure, then Claiborne will be beast mode;
I love the Idea of Richardson next to Blount, and i would be down if Talib wasn’t going to Jail or getting cut or traded, AND Ronde wasn’t 75….
this offense must be improved.
i know we were tops in 3 and outs, and among the worst in scoring. it took us until week 14 to score a td in the first quarter.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Thats coaching
The first 15 plays are scripted and for the whole season those first 15 never worked.
Yah, none of that falls on Greg Olson at all.
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You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
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Most have forsaken me"
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"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Thats because
There are a plethora of idiots out there that truely believe in the stupidest things lol
yea alot fell on him for that. but alot falls on the players too. maybe with more weapons you get better playcalling and results
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICHARDSON TRAIN!!!
Hopefull for Vincent Jackson
He would open up everything on offense an it Would go along way for deciding which route to go n the draft because he makes out backfield formidable again no matter who we pair with Blount… I may b a bias Buc but I see money being tossed around n Tampa this year “the plan” is finally evolving because Raheem was a casualty of war n my eyes draft core youth players stock them with 3 years of experience then after grudens last check is cut dump Raheem an pair your experience core of youthfull players with proven talent that only money can buy an let the “chosen” HC ride that train to the bowl…. Ala gruden/dungy
by Buc$Fan on Jan 19, 2012 11:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Hopefully with the past few seasons going like they did.
They new head coach will understand that failure will get you fired. And he will want to increase the talent level in free agency.
by flash_kiley on Jan 19, 2012 12:07 PM EST via Android app reply actions
O and by the way
Anybody that’s posts or speaks outloud that we need to dump Free needs to report to the top of the nearest building and take the fast way down cuz I’ve read an heard that way to much from ppl who clearly don’t have a clue…. My advice is to get one!!!
by Buc$Fan on Jan 19, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Football Principle If Any Of You Guy's Ever Played ...........
Explosive Can Be Contain …
Physicality Cant Be Match …
So Think About That When You Want Certain Coach’s & Player’s
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 19, 2012 1:16 PM EST reply actions
I havent seen
New England “contained” yet. Nor have I seen New Orleans “contained” They lost because their defense cant make a stop when necessary
So You Telling Me ...
That The Packer’s & Saints Didnt Get Knocked Around .
That The Defenses They Face In The Giants & 49ers Didnt Contain There Back 2Back2Back2Back Explosive Possessions That Seal Games Normally .
The Physical Play Forced Turnovers & Mental Laspes .
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 19, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions
I Was Talking
To gusjackson .
Comment If You Like
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 19, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
So you mean to tell me
that an offense can score 32 points and be “contained”. False. Your right physical play on the defensive side of the field is paramount. But tough running is no where near as intimidating as throwing the ball. you ask any defense who would they rather face Drew Brees and that offense or AP. Im sure the answer will be AP. No one wants to have to deal with all the things that offense can do. And that is intimidating. If your an offensive coordinator he can make you look so bad you can lose your job. That’s intimidation
My question is
How can Mel speculate this……we dont even know WHAT DIRECTION THE TEAM IS GOING IN. Much less the players and personnel we would want.
I wouldnt take it so seriously,
…he is merely getting paid to throw in his two cents so people like us will hit the website and discuss the draft. Kiper is like a meteorologist in that he can say whatever he wants and if he is wrong? who cares… 50% chance of rain today folks… :)
by akbrown15 on Jan 19, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does he read the crap that comes out of his mouth
What did the great Bill Parcelles say???? N E V E R E V E R EVER!
Draft a running back in the first round….. A dime a dozen….. A running back needs a great offensive line…. If you have one of those any RB is good… Look at Joesph Adai when he replaced EDgeren James… Gee shocking he got 1000….
by Diehardbucfan03 on Jan 19, 2012 6:34 PM EST reply actions
again, i think we have a good offense
We’re just YOUNG!!! Lets beef up our defense! Maybe get some depth for our oline! But we don’t need another RB, or WR! We got great players we just need to grow up a little bit
Oh, you mean on OUR team
… I got nothin
by Cracker Ball on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Defenses can basically play us in a 15 yard window and stop everything we try to do. But that doesn’t mean draft Richardson 5th. Go Claiborne. Then use middle picks to draft change of pace back and a deep threat WR
by DJFoodandDrink on Jan 21, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
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