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2012 NFL Mock Draft: Tampa Bay Buccaneers take...Riley Reiff?

SB Nation has published its latest 2012 NFL Mock Draft, and they've done something interesting this time. Quarterback Robert Griffin III falls, as QB Andrew Luck, T Matt Kalil, CB Morris Claiborne and WR Justin Blackmon are the first four picks of the NFL draft. With the next pick they have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers picking....tackle Riley Reiff?

Josh Freeman needs help, lots of it. Tampa's two starting tackles, Donald Penn on the left and Jeremy Trueblood on the right, allowed 13 sacks and almost 80 pressures according to the stats at Pro Football Focus. The re-signed Penn last season. Drafting Reiff gives them a better pair and insurance in case Penn underwhelms as he did in 2010.

Hit the jump for my thoughts.

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Josh Freeman certainly needs help, but Donald Penn has played well at left tackle and doesn't really need to be replaced. Jeremy Trueblood does need to be replaced at some point, but fifth overall is much too high for a right tackle.

So, who else could the Bucs select there? Well, there's always CB Dre Kirkpatrick, who is a top-notch and very physical cornerback. RB Trent Richardson is always an option as well, while instinctive linebackers Luke Kuechly and Courtney Upshaw have to be considered as well. But ultimately, the Bucs don't have a lot of terrific options in this situation. The best option may be to trade down with a team that wants to desperately wants to get ahead of the Washington Redskins to draft Robert Griffin III.

Interestingly, NFL.com's first mock drafts have much more interesting players available for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. In every single one of those mock drafts, CB Morris Claiborne drops to the Bucs at #5, and only one of those draft experts has the Bucs selecting someone else: Trent Richardson.

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Hate this pick

He isn’t even the best tackle on the board at this pick. Even if he was #5 is way too high for anything other than a game changing LT. We need a RT. Terrible pick for us. Just terrible. I can name five players off the top of my head on the board at that pick that I’d rather have (Blackmon, Richardson, Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, and even Martin).

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

Vomit

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Wow

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

Sbnation has a bad writer apperantly,

If we don’t get claiborne we will try to trade down in desperation, and if worse comes to worse and depending on our HC.

Draft a RB in the top 5…………………………….

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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 17, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Yea this article has to be some type of joke.

Point blank Claiborne wont be available, and we will probably trade down and still get….. you know who.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If cleveland doesnt pick RG3, someone will want to trade down.

This is one of those years the bucs fan that scream “TRADE DOWN” actually have a point, and we actually have a spot worth trading up to because washington will not pass on RG3.

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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 17, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Penn underperformed in 2010? Guessing that's a typo

Also, agree with you that it’s not a very realistic pick. If somehow Kalil drops to #5 by some type of miracle, I could see us picking up a tackle, but that’s about it.

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by LeeCaz on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

My hope is that cleveland drafts RG3

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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I prefer this mock

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/indianapolis-colts-andrew-luck-cleveland-browns-robert-griffin-III-early-entry-mock-draft-011612

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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 17, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I would rather have

Richardson, Griffin III, Upshaw, Kuechly, Kirkpatrick, Brown, Jeffrey, Wright.

by flash_kiley on Jan 17, 2012 12:30 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Claiborne or Kirkpatrick?

Both are considered top ten, but Claiborne is always ranked higher. Is Claiborne physical enough to match up with NFC South WRs?

by MikeN on Jan 17, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

In coverage, absolutely

Only knock on Richardson is that he’s not a particularly good tackler.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that criticism is overblown a bit

He’s not a good tackler for a top 10 pick, but he’s not a bad tackler either. Every other thing a CB needs though he is incredibly skilled at.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

He’s clearly a better cornerback than Kirkpatrick, really.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Kirk is top 10 now?

I thought he was thought of as a 20-30 guy.

Claiborne>Kirk and it’s not even close

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by Sveet on Jan 17, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Three years of the double dip?

No thanks.

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by LeeCaz on Jan 18, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

My third rule of drafting is "Never sneeze at an offensive linesman taken in the first round", BUT...

With the notable exceptions being Rules One and Two:
1) Always draft best available player at most certain need;
2) Never listen to other mock drafters: they are idiots.
2a) I’m pretty sure those mockers feel the same way about me. :-)

So yeah, I have questions with this OT pick for the Bucs. First, that team needs at Cornerback, Linebacker, Safety and maybe even Running Back rank higher than getting a Left Tackle (which is the only OT you should draft in the First). Penn is a solid LOT, admittedly not the best out there, but wasting a pick to fix something that isn’t broken doesn’t help. Right Tackle obviously, but smarter mockers than me (See Rule 2a) can point out teams can get ROTs by the Third/Fourth Rounds no problem.

I list by need:
1) Cornerback
2) Outside Linebacker
3) Safety
4) Right Offensive Tackle
5) Offensive Guard (to replace Zuttah who should slide to Center)
6) Running Back

By value of pick in the 2012 draft:
1) Cornerback
2) OLB
3) RB
4) ROT
5) S
6) OG

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by witty on Jan 17, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Reilly Reiff will not be our selection...

It IS a need – but not a 1st Round need. CB, LB, WR and RB are all greater needs than a RT. One can be found in the F/A market. OT Demetrius Bell of BUF comes to mind…

by Cracker Ball on Jan 17, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I fully agree with you.

And the way you have it set up. Mirrors the main mock draft i follow every year.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012.php

I really really like how he has the draft set up. Would be a good draft to land. Morris Claiborne, Vontaze David, and LaMichael James in the first 3 rounds. Nails the first 3 needs with some really really good talent.

by BucIt4U on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade down if Morris is gone...

And get couple more picks if possible. Take the LB out of Boston College (cant spell his name) in the 1st (he can play MLB which will allow us to move Foster outside) this will help our LB corp immediately, 2nd rd take CB out of Virginia (Barber 2.0) Chase Minniefield, 3rd rd take HB LaMichael James. 4th rd use the pick acquired from trading down to take S from Wisconsin Arron Henry. Add depth in rds 5 through 7. Address WR, OL positions in FA. Just my 2 cents.

by ctd1977 on Jan 17, 2012 1:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I agree...

That’s why’s I said " trade down and get a couple more picks if possible"…

by ctd1977 on Jan 17, 2012 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Ok the other part of your comment implied we were getting a 4th

I guess you meant in a 4th plus at least one other better pick, which I’d probably be fine with depending on details.

Otherwise I’d love that draft you laid out.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody can post anything on Bleacher Report

It’s like the Wikipedia of sports. No knowledge needed.

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by MNeilson on Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

True the Bucs section there isn't very good either..

I do enjoy the variety B/R offers overall though

Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!

by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Tory Holt shouldn't be allowed to make a mock draft

He has Rieff at #2 to StL ahead of Kalil at #3 to Min

by flimsy2147 on Jan 17, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Best option is always to trade down and get more picks

but it’s usually unrealistic. Teams usually fall in love with a player and refuse to give up position in fear they may lose out. I feel like every year we say TRADE DOWN and it never comes to fruition.

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by MNeilson on Jan 17, 2012 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

The new CBA will help

and if it falls like this mock does, RG3 being there right before the skins would be a big help to us trading down.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Reiff would actually be a much better pick than everyone thinks... just not at #5

Board should look like this…

1. Claiborne – Winning the NFC South will be darn near impossible if we can’t cover. Claiborne and hopefully a returning Talib gives us an excellent one two punch at corner.

2. Blackmon – If it really is all about Free than give him legitimate help. I’m worried about his athleticism and feel he’s too similar to Williams, Benn, and Briscoe to make a huge difference.

2A Jefferey – 6’4" gives us a red zone threat at the very least. i also need to see his combine numbers before really being sold.

3. Kirkpatrick – Physical and provides stellar run support. I see all pro potential with his lanky frame but acknowledge that right now Claiborne is a better cover corner.

Richardson will be a great running back yes, but look at the value that the fifth pick should provide. Physical backs like Richardson are more likely to break down or at least slow down by the time he’s 30. If we put him in a time share with Blount than we’re not getting the best value we can out of the pick. It pains me to say that I hope the Bucs take a sure fire tackle over Richardson, only because if we end up hitting on that pick we will most likely have a very premium position for the next decade.

Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson will be on their second possibly even third teams in 2012. We can’t afford to miss on another top five pick. Gaines Adams didn’t pan out and we ended up with Arrelious Benn in exchange for our fourth overall pick in an extremely talented draft class. Even though I still have faith in Gerald McCoy we simply cannot afford to miss on another premium draft choice. Drafting a running back only increases the odds of doing so.

Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!

by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

I disagree with your points.

One Winning the NFC south is not impossible without having a great cover guy. Look at the Saints, and Falcons. Average cover guys at best. Grant it good cover guys are great to have but its not the cure for our defense. We need more firepower on offense. I dont think Richardson will be a bust and he will be around for quite a while and will be a special player. Him along with Blount is a dangerous combination. Along with Freeman who i hope can regain his 2010 form and the recievers we have plus another WR in FA would be just enough on offense alone. Defense we need to strengthen at the linebacker position. We need a veteran guy who can play at each part of the defense. We need a proven MLB. Let Foster learn or play on the outside. Get rid of Black for sure. We can draft a good CB in the second round. Plenty available in this draft. My whole fear is we draft Claiborne and we as a defense still cant tackle. On offense we still cant do anything because we missed out on a potential great running back. And we are left with yet again another high draft pick investing on defense.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Good CB does not imply great

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a really bad argument

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

How so?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea and with Revis they still did what again?

New England doesnt have a great cornerback, Giants dont have a great cornerback, nor do the Ravens nor do the Niners. Even Rogers playing the way he is is still good but not great. So thats what im watching.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jets made two straight AFC Championship games on the back of their defense

And you’re knocking that? Give me a break, dude.

Carlos Rogers is playing some terrific football right now. The Giants have been a problematic defense for years exactly because they couldn’t get good cornerback play. They’ve had a good few games, but a few games does not a defense make. There’s a reason why they drafted Prince Amukamara in the first round.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Your missing the point.

Revis played his usual defense. So why did the defense decline if he didnt? According to your point they should have improved. Yes they did make it two straight because of the defense. But what about THIS YEAR? What did the defense do? NOTHING. Rogers is playing great football. But you cant consider a CB great after one great season. Do it consistently and then you get that consideration. Giants are great because of there front four. And they needed a CB but hes not a difference maker. Hes ok for what there team is built around but if that front four goes down… hmmm

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Their defense regressed this year because they had no linebackers capable of being a good pass rusher

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jets still had the second best defense in football

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

And yes, rushing the passer is more important generally than getting great cornerbacks. But you need good cornerbacks to play in the NFL, too. You need both. It’s not one or the other.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Because if your pass rush doesnt get there you can look at getting beat deep all day.

by gusjackson on Jan 17, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont even know what these numbers represent but i know this isnt official.

Try looking at NFL.com’s official stats.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Those "stats" are bogus and undefined.

“These stats>official stats because you say so? Really? I’ll take the real stats over some third party stats with no real definition of what is what.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

They're not undefined at all

Just because you can’t go to the ‘about’ page doesn’t mean they’re undefined. Those stats are based on the official play by play data. They rate teams on a down-to-down efficiency basis, adjusted by situation and field position, and adjusted for opponent.

Those stats give a much better view of which team is actually better at playing defense than the raw aggregate numbers, which are impacted by so many situational biases they’re largely useless.

by Sander on Jan 18, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

New England gets by with Brady (and Gronk) alone, nor do they have a running game (which you so vehemently oppose)

The Giants didn’t have a running game either (in fact they were worse than us), the Ravens have a terrific defense, so do the Niners

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

*vehemently want

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Still proves my point on how we can improve elsewhere on the team.

Brady really doesnt need a run game. Hes Brady. Freeman is Freeman. He does need a run game to help him. The Giants did have a run game. What happened is one got injured and might I add they have 3 great wide recievers to go along with two ok running backs and a great front four. We have no great anything on offense whatsoever. We have potentially good or great players. But this year they were all horrible. So no offense whatsoever will still have them playing horrible.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

no one has had a running game that is in the playoffs but the ravens

and they didn’t use it to win their game. In fact running the ball hasn’t been a factor in the playoffs with any team.

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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 17, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You can only expect a CB to cover SO long...

no pass rush causes many headaches for DBs. The QB can just wait, and wait, and wait… until somebody is open.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 17, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, but the Bucs have invested a lot in the pass rush already, they need to wait and watch those players grow

And it’s not like there are any pass rushers worthy of the fifth overall pick anyway.

But, to get back to the Jets, they don’t have any pass rushers either. They make it work because Revis gives them a ton of freedom.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No the problem was that they were successful at rushing the passer previously.

Revis did even better than 2010 and they decreased in production. So that arguement is invalid. Otherwise the defense as a whole would have improved.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

They (the jets) were terrible @ rushing the passer these past years, part of the reason they needed 2 picks on that DL

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jets had no pass rushers in '09 and '10 either

They got by because they constructed crazy and creative blitzes that Revis allowed them to execute.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. He isnt the only person on the defense.

and yet you put so much emphasis on the CB like if your CB isnt a shutdown corner then you cant have a great defense. Which is not true. And just because you get a “shutdown corner” doesnt mean that your defense will drastically improve.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Its implied.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont read minds. I am not a psychic, nor am i Professor X.

I just read what is written and interpret it as such. I know exactly what point you are eluding to and though its not word for word that’s what you are trying to say overall.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it's not

Please try reading what I write, and just stop there. Every time you go “this is what I think you’re saying” you are entirely off base. Just read what I write.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop assuming im not reading what you are writing because clearly i am

And i never said “this is what i think you’re saying” because thats not a quote of mines. So maybe you need to read what i write

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok we are going to end it right here.

Are you saying that the best way for the Bucs to improve is to draft Claiborne right?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

Explosiveness on offense is bigger then our need at corner

by keysersoze19 on Jan 17, 2012 5:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

There's Keyser for ya

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I know that we arent farfetched for seeing this.

We lost some games because we couldnt score

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Or defend

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And I'm that way cause back in the day
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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd buy all this except for one thing

This defense was historically bad. In the long history of terrible Bucs teams this was the worst of them all.

You just cannot survive with a defense that bad.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree.

But the reason why they were bad was because of tackling or lack there of.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't have a defense that bad with only one issue

Tackling was a major problem. So was gap discipline. So was coverage. The thing you are neglecting is that we already have all those issues, and we are adding losing 1 or both of our 2 best corners on top of those problems. We need multiple corners this offseason. At least 2. Maybe 3.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

and im with getting some FA’s at CB and a CB in the 2nd

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok that is cool.

Now lets say both are gone. And we draft Claiborne. And he is a solid CB. Am i wrong to still be highly concerned that our defense would still be still bad? This is without FA or trade or any other rookies coming in. And the same squad from 2011. Would i be wrong for thinking that this defense still might struggle next year?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If we draft only Claiborne to fix the numerous holes on our defense

and not sign anybody. Then Mark Dominik is officially mentally incapable

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

No

There are other holes on defense. But cornerback is the most pressing hole, and the hardest hole to fill. Finding linebackers, safeties and second/third cornerbacks isn’t terribly difficult in free agency or later in the draft.

Not to mention that there are no real elite linebackers or safeties available worthy of the #5 pick anyway.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Now this i agree with. No real elite LBs or safeties.

I just say that the only reason that CB is considered a pressing need is because Barber is retiring and Talib could go to jail. I just look at pressing hole as the weakest or a weak link on the team. I agree CB is a hole that should be filled but in my opinion its not the most dire.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol, wut?

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And I'm that way cause back in the day
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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

What is it that i said that had you lost?

Our pass defense needs improvement yes… but its not the most critical need to fix. If we going to fix the defense, fix the run defense. Claiborne really doesnt solve that problem. Is that clear enough for you?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

But having a corner that can shut down an opposing WR by himself will help the run D

Because then you can bring up a safety to play in the box making it harder for the offence to run the ball

by flimsy2147 on Jan 17, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

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And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds nice on paper

but even still it doesnt always work out that way. 2011 NY Jets

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

the jets werent second best at anything on defense in any category

what are you talking about?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Jest defense

Ranked 20th in scoring, 5th in passing and total yards, 13th in rush yards. Where are you getting this 2nd rated defense from? That Football Outsiders page isnt official. Real stats are on NFL.com and no catergory are they ranked 2nd in anything. So read em and weep!

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

And i dont want any more pass rushers but if we are going to invest on defense i would want an actual defensive playmaker.

Linebacker, or a Safety. I would even be real high on a cornerback if our actual problem was covering a receiver. But the main problem is tackling. Or lack there of. Lack of physicality on defense. I dont see how a CB cures that.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

We can't cover either or were you and I watching something totally different last season?

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And I'm that way cause back in the day
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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I saw alot of short passes that went for long gains.

Lack of tacking. Not very much our CB’s getting burned. Or maybe miss assignments by our safeties. Thats what i saw this year.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

You didn’t see Biggers get beat over the top consistently?

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I did see him get beat.

But i saw more big plays that were either runs, or short passes that went for long gains. Look at the last game against the Falcons. Did they beat us by going deep? Not really. What about the Texans game? What about the Titans game? Bears Game? 49ers game? The second Saints game? Jags game? Either Panthers games?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Losing McCoy had a bigger effect than what anyone thought. I think the way this team fell apart validates him as a premier DT , Do you agree?

by 69her on Jan 17, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It certainly says something about his quality of play early in the year

To be a premier DT he’d have to do that consistently and stay healthy. I think he can do that, but we’ll see.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The way this team has had injuries the last two years

I hoped they fired the entire training staff as well.

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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 17, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they fired the strength and conditioning coach, though I'm not entirely sure about that

They retained the medical staff as far as I now.

Though to be fair, the Bucs weren’t that injured this year. It’s just that those injuries hit a few key players they couldn’t replace.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Texans game- We couldn't stop the pass

Titans game- We couldn’t stop the pass
Bears game- We couldn’t stop the pass
Saints- samesies
Jags- Same
Panthers- Who am i kidding?

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially the Jags game, that just proved it

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Gabbert throwing for 217 is a bad thing

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

217 is not great numbers. they are pedestrian.

and when your running back is your leading receiver?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Pedestrian for a QB like Romo maybe, but not for Gabbert

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

A seriously mediocre QB like Gabbert was this year

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i could throw for 217 yards if i can dump it off to jones drew against the bucs who cant tackle

and the OFFENSE committed seven turnovers

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Jones Drew gained 51 yards- not a whole lot. However, the 60 yd pass to Marcades Lewis was a blame for our pass coverage

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ronde does, Talib does on occasion

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

stop it. those are excuses

linebackers got beat not a cb

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ronde does defend TE's though

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by 4QB on Jan 18, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Stop it!!! Lewis was being covered by Sean Jones and got beat.

A CB was not sticking him. CBs arent getting beat by TE’s. Yes Barber covers TEs at times but that wasnt the point. This particular game and any other game doesnt have CBs getting beat by TE’s. Point blank!

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Gabbert threw like 3 or 4 TDS against us bro...

thats really really bad

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by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you serious?

Leading reciever was Arian Foster, Roy Williams with 55 yards, Graham who is a TE, Jones Drew for 51 yards, Lafell for 31 yards, and Lafell again for 101 yards. The only reciever to get 100 yards against us. And we are talking about drafting a CB?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

See here is that implication again. Lol

So yes or know was Talib the main reason this happened? Its not a maybe. Its a yes or no.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok so since you havent done so you are pretty much assuming. i will say that that wasnt the reason why.

I would say that most coaches knew we sucked at stopping the run. So why try to throw the ball if you can run at will? And you can wait for the offense to turn the ball over to your team in short yard so why do you even have to throw deep?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we talking about reciever yardage?

I’m talking about the deep throws where Corners blew coverage

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

if they were getting beat like that then it would show in their yardage wouldnt it?

and we would have a long list of recievers that had at least 100 yards against us. We would have more than two games with a qb throwing for more than 300 yards as well.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

or maybe the offense is turning the ball over with short field and its easier for the team to score?

maybe theres a reason why our run defense was ranked dead last. and the pass was only ranked 21st? but once again how does a cb improve our run defense?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

How does Trent Richardson improve our run defense?

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesnt improve your run defense.

But he improves you run offense. Blocking, catching and running which we need. Otherwise we can pretty much see the same offense in 2012.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Nonsense

We can grab one of the better free agent WRs, grab someone like LaMichael James in the third, a free agent RT (only needs to be better than trueblood), and have a much improved offense for not much draft pick investment.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You can still get the same with picking Richardson.

We can probably trade down and get more picks and still get Richardson, a CB in the second, and a FA RT and WR. SO thats not really nonsense.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

What's nonsense

I was refering to this:

Otherwise we can pretty much see the same offense in 2012.

Richardson is not the only option for adding punch to the offense.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I didnt say he was the only option.

I say he is the best option in the draft available.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I quoted you exactly

I’m not sure how else you can take that than if we don’t get richardson we’re going to see the same offense. I mean that’s exactly what you said.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You are twisting my words.

I said he is the BEST option without a doubt to improve our offense. Not the only option. James could helo us improve but Richardson is more likely to be a starter in this league than James is. And we need elite players to make an impact on offense.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't need a starter at running back

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by 4QB on Jan 18, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

yes we do.

Its sad we have a “starter” that doesnt even play the whole game and not because of injury. Then whats going to happen if he gets hurt? We have Lumpkin and Madu. WOW!

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Lumpkin isn't going to be here next.year

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by 4QB on Jan 18, 2012 5:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

lol a direct quote is not 'twisting'

Seriously man, just say “I know how it sounds, I didn’t mean it that way”. I’m not twisting anything.

by aakks on Jan 18, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

a direct quote means a word for word quote.

if you add additional words to a quote then that means its not a direct quote.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

Man it was an exact quote. Whatever,.

by aakks on Jan 18, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

where did i say he was the only option?

you said that. You took half of my comment and added your opinion to it. Show me where i said he is the only option for adding punch to the offense… Dont worry ill wait….

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Here
He doesnt improve your run defense.

But he improves you run offense. Blocking, catching and running which we need. Otherwise we can pretty much see the same offense in 2012.

by aakks on Jan 18, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Otherwise we can pretty much see the same offense in 2012 is not me saying he is the only option.

Seriously man i said show me where i said he is the ONLY option and you copy a quote that has none of those words in it. Let me break it down for you as far as what i meant. Richardson is the best option at running back to become a potential starter. He can run pass block and catch. Can Lamar Miller be that guy. Maybe. Could Chris Polk do it. Maybe. Probably not. Can Lamichael James do it? Probably not. He would be an excellent change of pace back on the right team. But for us? I dont think so. I think we need a stronger back that could be a starter. I dont think james will be able to pick up blocks on 3rd down. He could run and catch passes but we need the total package. I see only two real running backs out the draft that could possibly do it. In my opinion. So Richardson isnt the only option. But there arent alot of options at running back for what we truly need. Thats what i meant. If we get James instead of Richardson or Miller we may improve slightly but probably still struggle at certain aspects in the running game. Thats why i said "otherwise we can PRETTY MUCH see the same offense in 2012.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

The run defense will improve with an offseason of coaching and a healthy Gerald McCoy

Plus, free agency additions at linebacker.

The run defense wasn’t an issue the first games in the year with the exception of Adrian Peterson, and that guy runs on everyone.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thingis Claiborne is looking to be an ELITE cover man

like locking people up one on one coverage. Eliminating half or at least a quarter of the playing field is such an advantage. I love Richardson also, just think that Mo Claiborne makes more sense if we stay at 5.

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by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Teams don't pass when they're ahead, thus teams can't gain passing yardage

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

So how are you going to assume that our defense was getting shredded because of bad CB play?

When teams arent passing on us as you say?? Which one is it? Are they or arent they? Are we getting beat or arent they?

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure Biggers was beat

But cant you say that had a lot to do with a lack of pass rush Down and distance and always playing from behind?

by 69her on Jan 17, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Playing from behind was due to the defense

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

not true all the time.

turnovers by the offense

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Which happens when they play from behind

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because they play from behind doesnt mean its the defenses fault.

Jags game we are up 14-0 and they turned the ball over for scores three times

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

how so? Playing fro behind came from an offense that score 1 TD all year in the first quarter

Let me repeat that.The Bucs Offense score 1 TD all year in the fisrt quarter.. that is the sighn on an enept Offense , Which will cause any young Defense to fold

by 69her on Jan 17, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

True point

agree that our young defense was really held against their will this year. With a more productive offense no way they had this bad of a year, problem is that hindsight is 20/20 and we’l never truly know.

Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!

by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

They had tons and tons of 3 and outs.

Leaving the defense on the field for LONG periods of time. I don’t care how good your D is. Being on the field that long all the time will take it’s toll.

By the end of the year i don’t know if they gave up. Or were just to BEAT up to play at a high level anymore.

Some of us don’t take into account the Mental and Physical damage that occurs over the course of a year. Few of us could get through a weeks worth of practice let alone do it continually every week for 17+ weeks.

Add that plus poor coaching you get what we witnessed in 2011. I believe this team is a bunch better then they looked in 2011.

by BucIt4U on Jan 17, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

We're losing Ronde, and quite possibly Talib too

That leaves Biggers as possibly our best corner. That is awful.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Mortifying is the word...

damn you Dom for not chasing Jonathan Joseph.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 17, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Triple agreed...

Dom dropped the ball big time this off season, Rah fell on the sword. Hopefully we improve as an organization, I rooted hard for Rah to succeed and become our head coach for the next decade (a la Steeler way), any coach would’ve had to work a miracle to make the playoffs with this team. Rah simply wasn’t smart enough to mask our weaknesses before the rest of the league exploited them.

Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!

by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't fool yourself

There were serious problems with the development of the players we had, almost across the board. The blame for that lies squarely on the coaching staff.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

And what im saying is why not improve upfront? Especially at linebacker where we can get pressure to the QB and stop the run? Us getting a CB will be pretty much useless if we dont improve upfront. Pat Peterson and the Cardinals…… no real improvement on defense with that team and he is a great talent but as a CB he wasnt really a difference maker.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Cornerbacks take a while to get going

But toward the end of the year the Cardinals were playing Patrick Peterson man-on-man on number one receivers with no safety help, and he was holding up.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Understandable.

But the overall defense did not improve because him being able to handle one on one coverage by himself.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it did

That defense was playing very well toward the end of the year. And that despite losing their previous top corner (Rodgers-Cromartie) and completely switching around the scheme. That Cardinals defense was much improved at the end of the year.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough luck, it happened

Go watch some footage of the late ’11 Cardinals defense and compare it to the late ’10 Cardinals defense, for instance.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I have.

Didnt see much. And im not even going to take into consideration who they played. So no real big improvement. Sorry.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Cardinal defense was rolling hot at the end of the year

and Patrick Peterson was a huge reason why. Once he got going and the coordinator realized he could isolate PP their defense became real dangerous.

Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!

by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It did improve though

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

But I think our need at outsidelinebacker is more important then any position in the secondary

by keysersoze19 on Jan 17, 2012 5:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

This i totally agree with.

When i look at a CB being drafted i look at him as someone that will put a team over a hump. Not expected to come in and become a savior on defense. And we CLEARLY need a savior or two on defense. OLB is the real pressing need.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Are u for real or just joking?

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

as a heart attack.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Our outside linebackers are both garbage yes...

but there is no point of reaching for Zach Brown in the first, when he could conceivably fall to the second. Coming out of college everyone thought Quincy Black would be a monster, Zach Brown is a great athlete but I haven’t seen him really man up and lay the lumber to many ball carriers. Hayes and Black are both insanely athletic guys, just not NFL linebackers.

Strong safety is a spot that must be upgraded. Mark Barron or Ray Ray Armstrong would be so much better than Sean Jones. Sean Jones was even worse than Black and Hayes this year.

Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!

by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ray Ray is staying in school I believe

Barron might be there for our pick in the 2nd. Might. I’m actually hoping we go mostly BPA in that spot and grab a first round talent that falls. Brown, Barron, Minifield, maybe Burfict. Maybe one of the offensive linemen.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

im not silly at all. I never said dont draft a CB.

I said first Claiborne wont be available. Second since he wont be available we need to get the next best player available which would be Richardson, and then in the second round we can get a good CB that will be available. Now if Claiborne is available i wouldnt be mad if we chose him. Thats not my first pick but i wouldnt be upset if we got him. My point is i would rather improve on offense to at least keep up with the competition.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Why won't Claiborne be available?

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Because i have seen mocks having the Vikings taking Claiborne.

And please dont im acting like im crazy for saying this like its so impossible.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

What if the Vikings don't take him?

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And don't say it's impossible the Vikings don't take him

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

MIN has as many holes as we do...

Could go OT, could go WR, could go CB. They are a real wildcard at the top of the draft…

by Cracker Ball on Jan 17, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Min might actually be better than we are

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be... can't argue that

but they could draft in any number of ways.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 17, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Could

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If they dont then he will be available.

But its a good possibility he might not be

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade back 2 maybe 3 times in the first round?

Pick up Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College or Dont’a Hightower, ILB, Alabama somewhere in the 10-20 area’s. All awhile collecting precious 2+ round picks this year and next. Pick a solid group of mixed talent in the top 100.

I think our best bet is to do the “Patriot” way. We can rectify much more of this team with more picks. Without losing out on some really good talent, in needed area’s.

by BucIt4U on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa, never said Richardson would be a bust

just said that with the fifth pick we need to find someone we can hang our hopes on for the next decade barring injury

Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!

by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

dude, every one was saying how great our WR were 2 years ago,

give them a chance this year, 3rd year is when WR start to come into there own.
we have to many holes in other places.

by mlowebucs on Jan 17, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I like our recievers.

I think it they can bounce back along with freeman but i dont want to just depend on freemans arm all the time because this year is a example of what happens when you do.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to take in account that

These young wideouts do have to learn a new system. Still this group does not have ability to stretch the field consistently. Parker, benn, bledsoe, and williams are pretty talented, but those guys are also the reason freeman numbers were not that impressive this year, that and olson wack system and play calling

by keysersoze19 on Jan 17, 2012 5:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

i agree.

Also i think Been can stretch the field. He was underused last year.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

We need explosiveness on offense

I think when it comes too needs explosiveness on offense has to be at the top. This year was bad, the only good thing you can take from the season is this, when other coaches and players talked about our team they would say that we are very physical on both sides of the ball. Physicality is not a problem, we need explosiveness. With where we are drafting at I think only 2 players are a option, Richardson or Blackmon get 1 of those guys. If both are gone then take the best defender on the board.

by keysersoze19 on Jan 17, 2012 4:27 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

I agree!

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody here likes luke stocker

I live in connecticut so I did not get to see the bucs play a whole lot . Should we not put no stock in that guy. Also we don’t know who our next coach is going to be so we don’t know if 2 tightends is going to be important with the new system our offense is going to run

by keysersoze19 on Jan 17, 2012 4:33 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

He was an expensive "meh" player...

as we have no 4th Rounder because of Dumbinik trading it away.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 17, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The Top 5 picks should pick top 5 talent...

regardless of their actual needs. That’s how I feel, anyway. Tampa blew it when they took McCoy at 3rd a few seasons back. He wasn’t even the best at his position in the draft. They should’ve taken the best playmaker available: Eric Berry.

Hopefully they don’t make the same mistake again…

by Morgan71 on Jan 17, 2012 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

Are You Kidding Me

Eric Berry Was The Best Player Outside Of Suh

by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 17, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

DB's don't go in the top 3

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

They dont go top three but they go top 5?

Whats 2 spots? And i think Claiborne is going in the top 3.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

They do go top 5, Patrick Peterson and Eric Berry are two recent examples

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by 4QB on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Right but what i was saying is there is no real difference between top 3 and top 5.

you said DB’s dont go in the top 3. I was just saying no real difference between top 3 and top 5

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a difference

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by 4QB on Jan 18, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

And basically every draft evaluator (including the Bucs, evidently) disagreed as well.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Mccoy is a beast

He will prove it if he stays healthy

by keysersoze19 on Jan 17, 2012 5:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

IF

Not shaping up that way. I guess we are lucky he doesn’t have a 3rd arm or he would tear that bicep too…

by Cracker Ball on Jan 17, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I was rooting for Eric Berry!

He was trained by Monte at Tennesse and excelled under his teachings. He would have been an instant upgrade to us and still would be . Him and T- Jack would have been a force. Also would have allowed Talib to play “his style” of ball knowing Berry was right there.

by BucIt4U on Jan 17, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Last special one to go in the top 3 was Charles Woodson in 1997

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

But

If You Redo Certain Drafts Sean Taylor , Eric Berry ,Revis & Ah Couple More Would Be Top Three Picks , Its Just People Like Yall Who Make It Seem Like Only Offensive Players Except For Rb’s Deserve The Top Pick’s Its Pathethic How Teams Only Pick The Best Player In Picks 15-20

by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 17, 2012 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

If we redid anything, then that's a different case. Turns out that there isn't a redo button in the NFL draft.

Also, not sure Eric Berry is a top 3 pick so far

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He had one pretty good year and one in which he was injured

In terms of performance so far the top 3 probably has to be Suh, Pierre-Paul, Gronkowski in whatever order. Add Jimmy Graham, Dez Bryant and maybe Earl Thomas ahead of Berry, too. Russell Okung would be there if he was more consistently healthy, Joe Haden deserves to be mentioned as does Trent Williams.

by Sander on Jan 17, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It's still so early but in terms of what we needed I have confidence McCoy will prove worthy of his pick...

Kinda sad but I’m not so sure I feel the same about Price, Benn, Lewis, Stocker, or Ahmad Black. We already cut ties with Bradford and Bowden. This year is really going to provide us an accurate read for Dominik’s drafting. So far the entire 09 class after Freeman has been mediocre at best.

Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!

by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt he falls that far

Maybe he’d be there in the second, but most likely he hits the 20s imo.

by aakks on Jan 17, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Kirpatrick is still a first rounder,

but could his fall lead to a fall for Jenkins and Dennard. If either are there in the second round, we should go for it. We have done a good job in getting first round talent in the second round. I hope we can keep it up.

by flash_kiley on Jan 17, 2012 11:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

This draft of CBs is just like last years draft was with DEs.

Except the good CBs will be dropping into the second round.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

At the 5th pick need is not a factor

The rest of the draft can be used to fill out the roster and adress need. The 5th pick in a draft is best avaliable , You want a SuperStar a Franchise player a Hall of famer . I could care less if he fills a need or not. I caan get any possion in the 2nd or 3rd round or in free agency.. With the 5th pick i want the man.. I want a Warren Sapp or a Derick Brook, Emiit Smith. Micheal Irvin. Talking about spending a 5th pick just to fill a need is silly. I want a star!!

by 69her on Jan 17, 2012 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

Morris Claiborne is that star and fits a position of need

he’s a win win pick.

Mo Claiborne or Trent Richardson in 2012... FIRE OLSON!!!

by freeman05 on Jan 17, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You get your star if he plays great

How many stars did the Bucs draft in the First Rounds over the years that turned into all-pros?

If we, fer example, use the fifth overall on getting WR Blackmon (a possibility), that may be great for the offense that already has decent young WRs (Benn, Williams) but terrible for a secondary that may not have Talib and certainly won’t have Ronde. And none of the other CBs or Safeties impress. At all.

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by Sveet on Jan 17, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

YES!

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

"some"= 4 fans

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by 4QB on Jan 17, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because we get Claiborne at the 5th pick doesnt mean that our secondary will be revamped.

Plenty of good CBs that will be in the 2nd and we actually need FAs in the secondary.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

It won't be without upgrading the S positions...

T-Jack may regain his previous form (or then again, maybe not), but it’s the SS position that is really in need of some new talent. I don’t like the uncertainty of Talib’s situation, so I think we should really prepare for the worst case scenario and find 2 CBs.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 18, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe with Grimm coming back and hopefully staying healthy and Jackson regaining his form we will be ok.

Add maybe a Kirpatrick, Jenkins, Minnfield, Dennard, or Prater from Iowa in the 2nd round and a veteran FA CB our secondary will be back in business.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Would be bad ideah nor to upgrade the ss

Even if Grimm comes back , The bigger concern with Cody now is he was already a little slow and playing on insticts. If that knee slows him down at all I am afraid he will be a backup at best..Sevicable and nothing more

by 69her on Jan 18, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Grimm should get a shot at SS.

Better than Jones and great at run support and would have enough skills and range for SS. Maybe not at FS where he was filling in.

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by dcbucsfan on Jan 18, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Great story showing Free agents and draft

Sander, or any of the other writers: what would be really great would be if you guys could do a story that shows what the Bucs “could look like” after draft and free agency based on when we draft and free agents available this year that we have a legitimate shot at as well as areas of the team where we know we have holes (ie cornerback, linebacker, a solid 2nd running back, OL, etc)
I know it’s a difficult piece because we have no idea if the Glazers really will open up the checkbook, but it would be fun to see what it would look like to be able to fill our needs through Free agency AND the draft simultaneously. Thoughts??

by gmaz1 on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That sounds like a fun idea to me to.

I like writing mock rosters before FA and Drafts each year lately. It’s fun to think of what the team could be like Dream Team style (with whats available) or the more Realistic Team thinking about all variables that could lead to certain decisions. Based on need, Money, Talent, Past trends.

by BucIt4U on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I will be happy

1Luck
2RG3
3Blackmon
4Kalil
5Claibourne

I like any of those, and won’t argue against Trent Richardson either.

I also like trading back and getting more picks.

I like the Notre Dame LB for us in Rd 2.

by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 18, 2012 12:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I say...

1st-M.Claiborne
2nd-M.Barron
3rd-L.James
5th-N.Bradham
the last two rounds I say pick BPA

by bucs86forever on Jan 18, 2012 4:52 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Yeah u r right but I hope we have this kinda draft n then hit free agency hard with good DB’s n WRs n LBs

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