Playoffs Open Thread: Texans @ Ravens
by Sander on Jan 15, 2012 12:40 PM EST
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The Baltimore Ravens and Houston face off today for the right to advance to the AFC Championship and play the New England Patriots. Who will win this epic battle of quarterbacks battle of great defenses with bleh quarterbacks? Will Ray Rice destroy the Texans' stout run defense, and can the Texans sustain their overwhelming rushing attack against Baltimore?
Discuss the game, the playoffs, the Bucs, the draft, the coaching search and whatever else here.
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balitmore. Never cheer for anything from texas to succeed at anything.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
yes lol
The only time I ever did was for the mavs to win in the finals
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That was like when you're playing Madden and think you can get away with not calling a fair catch...
….then you inevitably get crushed and fumble the ball away. The difference is he just did it in real life. Yikes.
Why do these networks wait till the NFL playoffs to advertise their awful "comedy" shows?
CBS is spamming Rob
FOX – Napolean Dynamite
NBC – Chelsea
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Ask TBS how that Frank Caliendo show worked out for them when every commercial was for that show during the MLB playoffs a few years back.
Turrible investment.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
another dome team going down in flames outside on the road, boring
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 15, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions
well not exactly
I don’t normally agree with him. This is more bad offense then it is good defense.
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Only thing that matters in the playoffs is how good your O is.
It’s nothing but shoot outs. Saints are an outliner because of their dumb dome status. Of course the niners had to end the game with a shoot out anyways.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Millions are saddened and at a loss for words, after the chosen one fell yesterday
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 15, 2012 2:11 PM EST reply actions
I expected that to happen
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
In all seriousness I bet the NFL is sad because a Tebow Superbowl would have been a ratings blockbuster
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 15, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Broncos vs Packers would a been fun
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Eh, he had some pretty good and innovative offenses in college
In the NFL he got David Garrard and Blaine Gabbert dumped on him and his best receiver was Mike Thomas. Tough to produce that way.
Would the Texans agree to a parellel move like that?
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
And I don't think our OL can handle zone-blocking
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Apparently, the only way to beat Brees is to pressure him
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Are u talking about the Falcons?
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
They don't even have their pick anymore
It goes to Cleveland
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
hahahha but another WR would put them over the top!
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well jj was breaking out at the end of the year
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 15, 2012 2:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
For what? They'd have to mortgage up to another 2/3 years of first-rounders to even jump into the 1st
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
they need to retool out of a west coast offence into something that works.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
thank god that they followed the plan and stayed away from FA otherwise we could have been stuck with this guy
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 15, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Boldin was never a FA
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
was traded from the cards? doesnt matter they wouldn't have tried to get him anyway
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 15, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
What a catch.
Boldin plays the game without getting a big head or talking trash. Man just does his job. Awesome receiver!
yes absolutely
Why don’t they target him more often.
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
bolden is a beast
why don’t the ravens target him more often. The coverage has been near perfect by the texans but still he makes the catch
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 2:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Side note: I really want Chase Minniefield
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
i think he will be available in the 2nd or 3rd.
i reall like him too
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all the way
To the super bowl lol. He wont run for 200 yards but the lack of speed on the ravens side is killing them. They can’t adjust that at halftime. Flacco need to play waaaaayyyy better to comeback in this
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Baltimore receivers can't separate. That's been a problem for three years now
Boldin hasn’t helped. He can make some tough catches in coverage at times, but he can’t get himself free. And Torrey Smith is an inconsistent one-trick pony.
but
Dont discredit the texans cbs they have been making plays all over the field. But you do have a point flacco has had time for the most part but he just can’t find anyone
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Flacco needs to shut his mouth
Win something then say you should be mentioned in an elite category
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 15, 2012 2:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This is like a game from 98
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 15, 2012 2:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
lol yeah before the NFL turned into the outdoor arena league
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 15, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
That was very olson like at the goal line
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 15, 2012 3:18 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Texans Defense
That’s what I would love to see from the bucs next season. A physical got a chip on their shoulder defense. Makes everything so much more manageable
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 3:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Disagree. It's far easier to put together a high flying pass offence based on TEs
It’s going to take years to put together a defense and by then whatever RB we draft will be too old. they only last 2-5 years.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
QBs make receivers. If you put Grunt and Hernandez on the Bucs he wont do a damn thing. Brady makes those TEs look better than they really are. Look at what he did for Deion Branch and many other no name WR and TEs
QBs and receivers can help eachother
Gronkowski and Hernandez consistently make tough catches in coverage. That has little to do with the QB throwing to them.
If you put Grunk
on the bucs our offense would have had no clue what to do with him. This is the genius of bellicheck and accuracy of brady. Dont get me wrong Grunk would be good no matter where he went but those two make grunk an all star as they have with so many players.
you have been on that train from the beginning.
Im slowly coming around too lol
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
RBs are disposable. Build a good o-line with a good coordinator and they are plug n play.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I think he can be replaced by a mid round pick once he is worn out within 3 years.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
he wasn't even drafted himself.
People don’t realize that olines matter more. There isn’t much difference in running back talent anymore.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Depends
If you can build an elite offensive line, then you can plug and play most any back. But good backs can make a running game with relatively poor blocking, too.
an oline will last longer, a RB lasts 2-5 years.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
can't win championships by going easy routes.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oline First
Yeah, I dont care how elite your running back is if you dont have an oline you offense cant do anything. A good oline helps in both run and pass. Btw putupyourDUKES building an oline is OLD SCHOOL FOOTBALL. Win in the trenches both on offense and defense and you will win games even with average talent.
wow i mean i dont get how yall bring the value down for running backs so much.
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ok and see what happens when running backs dont start getting drafted in the first round and then later down the road you all will be crying for a running back to be drafted in the first round
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Nope, ill ask to pick one up undrafted or in the mid rounds.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
when you keep digging in the trash you are more likely to get trash.
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Unless Trich
is going to be one of the best of all time. which is highly unlikely. He will be good dont get me wrong but if we can trade out of this pick and get more for our money. I would rather pick up the many great rbs in the later rounds. David Wilson, Lemichael James ect.
t does and its lost by investing in someone not worth investing in
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You're not investing anything
He was picked up off the waiver wire. He doesn’t work out, you cut him. Nothing wasted. No investment made.
you have wasted time and an opportunity to get a better player
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Time aplenty
I see no wasted opportunity. Lumpkin should have been cut this preseason and the Bucs should have brought in more/different RBs (not Allen bleeding Bradford). But that has nothing to do with Lumpkin
im saying its a wasted opportunity to keep drafting lower tier running backs. maybe we need to invest in a very talented running back in the draft in the earlier rounds.
more potential to pan out
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What round was adrian foster drafted again?
what about ray rice?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
stats and observation
Look at all the teams in the playoffs. How many feature RBs drafted in the first round, and how many of them are making an impact?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
same can be said about any other position on the field.
not just running back
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that's not true.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
yes it is.
your putting too much stock into first round guys. you have plenty of guys who are drafted in the first round that dont pan out. our take a while to pan out. or pan out in the beginning and then fade away. either way it doesnt matter. you rarely get 10 years of great productivity from not just running backs but players period.
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the difference
if a QB pans out it’s 15 years and it’s franchise changing. If a RB pans out, it’s 5 years max, and you lose in the first round or two.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
and how many 1st round qbs panned out for that long recently that was franchise changing?
ill give you peyton manning. but who else
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let's take a look at QBs that made the playoffs this year.
Flacco – round one
eli – round one
rodgers – round one
smith – round one
stafford – round one
tebow – round one
ryan – round one
rothlisberger – round one
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
nfl scouts are getting much better at predicting nfl caliber qbs.
The last 4-5 years of QBs in the first round have all been very good.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
not all.
sanchez played on a good team and stinks. ryan is average, stafford finally had a good season this year but hes not franchise changing. the only franchise changing qb plkaying right now that was in the first round is aaron rodgers.
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sanchez was profiled as a game manager perfect for a run first defense heavy team
no one thought he would be anymore then that, and he does a good job at it.
The problem, that philosophy doesn’t work
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
and how many of these teams got in the playoffs because of great qb play?
i say rodgers, rothlisberger, stafford and eli. the other qbs did not get great qb play
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
denver had great qb play? a qb who completed less than 50 percent of his passes?
same with the ravens? alex smith had one great game. but overall this year he hasnt put up much numbers. and i just gave you big ben and stafford. but just because a team made the playoffs doesnt mean their qb played great. if thats the case put in t.j. yates in the mix too
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I think Foster is very good at what he does
I also think behind that offensive line, with that zone-blocking scheme it’s not hard to create productive running backs.
you still want to get the best possible running backs... the bucs o line was actually pretty good at run blocking with the exception of faine.
but you still need a good running back to run well in the open field
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I don't think you should draft a RB in the first round in the modern nfl.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
He's not as good as Foster
But he’s consistently productive. Rushed for 5.4 yards per attempt this year on 175 attempts.
He is very special and valuable. I know it's cliche around here to hate on running backs
But they are very valuable to your team. Ray Rice and Foster are good examples of why they can change the flow of your offense.
you plug any RB in that texan line and he's running 100 per game
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
he's old.
Don’t bother with RBs that have been in the league that long
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think he could
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Kregg Lumpkin can't do anything
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
hey i hope elite rbs start falling to the 3rd and 4th rounds
thats fine with me. i just want better running backs on our team
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they do already. No one wants to invest a first rounder on athlete whos body will fail 2-5 years into their career
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
no way that if adrian peterson were to go into the draft he would fall into the 2nd or 3rd round.
nor chris johnson nor steven jackson and the list goes on. and i guarantee if foster were in the draft again he wouldnt be undrafted. and he would be grabbed in the first too.
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Actually its different
If you go by todays nfl. Running backs arent getting 40-50 carries a game anymore. They are getting 10-15 with 5-10 catches out of the backfield. so the life expectancy of a running back has actually grown in my opionion. How do we know the life expectancy of a current new age nfl when its really only been 4 years. According you Ray rice only has one more year left. It doesnt look like it to me lol. Morris Jones Drew should be retired by now.
dont get mad when brady drops 6 TDs on the ravens via gronkowski and hernandez
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
The Patriots did the TE @ RB thing, yesterday
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Then again, The Patriots could put Wilfork @ WR and still be successful
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
The patriots did it a few times
with Hernandez
by GoBuxGo on Jan 15, 2012 4:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
someone gets it
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
put brady on the bucs
And we are a 13-3 team. He plays well with very little talent around him like his first 2 super bowl runs and when he has talent he is outstanding.
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so you say.
but how hard is it to assemble a line and a run a scheme like that. i only know of two teams that have succesfully done so. otherwise the whole league would do it
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agreed, without a top 10 QB you can't compete
after last night I’ll give alex smith that rating
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
i agree but schuab hasnt been putting up eye popping numbers like that. and he wouldnt do it against the ravens
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Sure, but the Texans just need a little better QB play to win this game
So many wasted opportunities because of Yates
Schaub would have to stay upright
For that to be the case
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agreed
Schab could have played an average game and won that game. Your exact words were my facebook status. Im surrounded my baltimore fans at the moment
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You know what's different about these two offences?
No featured TE. Either of these defenses would be blown up by a TE powered offence.
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no, but i pay attention to the nfl and the trend is for TEs to be the #1 overall position after QB.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
with your thoughts.
San Diego should be 16-0 with rivers and gates. The falcons have a hall of fame/one of the best to ever do it. And they sitting at home. If you are foolish enough to spend a first round draft pick on a te then you are Al Davis(RIP) kinda crazy
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 5:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the Ravens
Let Todd Heap go didn’t they?
by GoBuxGo on Jan 15, 2012 4:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
WHAT!
The Ravens had one of the best TE in the league with Heap. They still lost to teams like the Steelers with their offense. Oh and please tell me who play TEfor the steelers when they won the super bowl…..don’t look it up
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 5:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Whoever comes up with the creativity of the Patriots offense should be our next HC
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
why aim low
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
He is a one-man genius
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Why didn't we make an attempt to go after bill obrien
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I guess they really dont do anything there but follow orders
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Where would you rank's Tampa's owners in overall wealth among other owners?
I’m assuming that Paul Allen might be the richest.
and the seahawks are garbage
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
sorry no, it's paul allen then the miami owner.
Paul allen has more money then most of the other owners combined.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Paul Allen's the richest
Then Stephen Ross, Stan Kroenke, and Malcolm Glazer is fourth.
Not sure where those numbers are from. Forbes has the Glazers third, just ahead of Kroenke.
Forbes says William Clay Ford Sr is worth $1.2 billion
Manchester United alone is worth more than that.
no
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
The Bucs certainly aren't
And while ManU is leveraged to an extent, it’s nowhere close to Man U’s actual value.
Forbes says Malcolm Glazer is worth $2.6 billion.
they increased ticket prices 42 percent since 2005, and still sell out every game.
They make so much money from that team it’s silly.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
they still wont sell out.
rays have the cheapest tickets in the game, and one of the best teams.
The economy in tampa is just too shitty right now.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Economy sucks even more in other markets, and they have higher attendance.
The problem is that so many bandwagon fans switched from being Bucs fans in the early 2000’s and now root for someone else.
And the remaining fans either want to spend their money somewhere else or they just became bored with the mediocrity of the team. Look at the attendance at FSU. Even the Gators are seeing a dip in attendance now that they’ve had a few bad years.
fact
Why people keep spreading this rumor that they are broke is just plain dumb
by gusjackson on Jan 15, 2012 5:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
um they didn't make that much money, and still dont.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 15, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
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