Rob Chudzinski to interview with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by Sander on Jan 13, 2012 12:21 PM EST
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PrintWith Adam Schefter first reporting that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will interview Mike Zimmer as a head coaching candidate, Jason La Canfora now reports that the Bucs will also bring in Rob Chudzinski for an interview. Chudzinski made a name for himself as the Carolina Panthers' offensive coordinator this season, helping develop Cam Newton into an impressive young quarterback and producing a very potent offense.
But Chudzinski has a bigger resume than just this year. He's been in the NFL since 2004 and has coached at the college level, most notably as the offensive coordinator for early 2000s Miami Hurricanes, winning a national championship there. He has a background as a tight ends coach, and has helped Antonio Gates and Kellen Winslow Jr. produce some of their best seasons.
Personally, I'm a big fan of Chudzinski, who has consistently produced in his relatively short coaching career. Getting Derek Anderson to the Pro Bowl and turning Braylon Edwards into a terrifically productive receiver is no mean feat. But Chudzinski is also a very young coach who has not had exhaustive experience at the NFL level, and with the Bucs mainly interviewing experienced coaches so far, he may not be what they're really looking for. Still, at least this search is become wider and more exhaustive.
Related: Tampa Bay Buccaneers Coaching Candidate: Rob Chudzinski.
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CHUD2012!
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I like the idea of hurting a division opponent...
more that I like the idea of hiring him. Good to talk with him though. Maybe a lateral move would interest him – with an “Assistant Head Coach” label attached. Marty won’t go on forever here…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
you're pretty ignorant of today's game if you want marty.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
How much has the game changed since 2006?
the guy got fired after going 14-2 for Gods sake.
Yeah… I’m on board with him.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
ever since you can't touch the quarterback?
A huge amount. TE’s are now more valuable then RBs or WRs in an offence. You can’t rely on defense to win games anymore either.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
That's job of OC
The OC handles that role. Head coach leads and sets direction It’s ignorant to think otherwise. Right the ship.. Bring on marty!!
by gmaz1 on Jan 13, 2012 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm with gmaz and cracker ball
Marty is my choice
by Mattw313 on Jan 13, 2012 1:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
what makes you think a 23 year old will listen to a man in depends?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
You mean besides the fact that most head coaches are older?
The amount of respect that Marty will command because of his experience deadens your argument.
Bring in an OC like Chudzinski to be the Assistant HC and OC, and that solves the issue of “The game has changed.”
I don't think he would leave for the same job with a better title--inside the division.
Yes, I am a Panthers fan.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
Please show me any evidence you have that corroborates
age with coaching ability. Or even age with Wins. Raheem was 35 and he couldn’t get it done. Age means nothing.
here we go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_McCarthy_(American_football)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Payton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick (how old was he when he took over the pats)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harbaugh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Harbaugh
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
This doesnt establish a correlation between age and winning
do you know what correlation means?
Your argument is incredibly flawed because there just aren’t many guys coaching at Marty’s age. Dick Vermeil won a superbowl in his 60s. Barry Switzer won a superbowl in his 60s. George Seifort won one in his late 50s. Raheem and Josh McDaniels failed horribly as coaches.
A blind 5 year old girl could have won with the team Barry Switzer was given.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I just posted a list of the top head coaches in the nfl today
all of them in their 40s except one. And you can’t even put together a comprehensive list of coaches that had success with a new team past their 60s.
You have one. Dick Vermeil.
I wouldn’t hire a new HC under 40, and I wouldn’t hire a new HC over 65.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Let's ignore the fact that Belichick lost considerably
in his first head coaching opportunity, and both Harbaughs walked into situations where they had great running games and top five defenses, I don’t think that says much. Payton is a great coach for sure, but I don’t think it’s because he’s young.
You conveniently forgot to include:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raheem_Morris
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_Kiffin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Mangini
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_McDaniels
Just because you’re young and a hot commodity doesn’t make you a good head coach.
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Under 40 is a bad bet. As well as neoptism hires.
When did I advocate hiring someone has young as 35?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
Gruden won the super bowl at 38 and was the youngest head coach in the league when he came here. There isnt an automatic anything in the NFL
There are always exceptions to the rule.
But statistics show that very young and very old coaches are not a good idea.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Statistics?
haha. Well, as long as we find a coach that is within your magical age bracket I guess we’ll be just fine then. Also, unless Monte Kiffin went to Oakland and I didn’t know about it, that isn’t a nepotism hire.
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Lane Kiffen had a job to begin with because of his dad
he should not be coaching at the college level, let alone the pro level.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
yes statistics. Name one person that took over a team after the age of 65 and managed to win a playoff game with that same team.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Same with someone under 35.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Why 65? Why not 62? Is it so you can conveniently leave out Marv Levy? A guy that took over the Bills after two years out of football at age 62 in 1986, then went on to four straight conference championships and winning AFC coach of the year three times
Once when he was seventy years old in 1995.
The small sample size of coaches that age taking over makes it not even worth examining. Most importantly none of them are Marty Schottenheimer. Should we compare all coaches based on their age? That is ridiculous.
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why is it rediculous.
after 65 is when dementia starts to kick in.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Lot's of guys with dementia getting jobs out there.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
that's true, but there is only one HC in the nfl over 62 right now.
and a few that just hit 60 or in their low 60s
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Age has nothing to do with it.
I hope we hire Chudzinski because I think he’ll be a hell of a coach, but if we don’t I would take Marty because I know he would get this team back to winning. I would probably be calling for his head after a few years, but a coach that can come in and right the ship would be welcome right now.
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Id rather take a risk on a OC that is ready to have a risk taken on them
and lose the gamble then win 9-10 games a year while waiting for marty to die.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Say Marty "dies"
Proven assistants will be ready to take over. If one these coordinators dont work we have to fire the entire staff.
Then we are taking rejects vs a guy sought after by multiple teams
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
I dont agree,
If I was hiring the next coach it would come down to marty and chud. Obviously without being in on the interview process it makes it difficult to choose but if I did interview marty and I liked his vision for the team I would give him the edge over chud. He is a proven winner over a very long period of time.
by Mattw313 on Jan 13, 2012 1:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
marty is too old, he won't command any respect.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Rah was way to young, and obviously didn't know what he is doing.
Just look at any class room with an elderly teacher and tell me if students respect them.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
A Classroom
Is not the professional world. Look at any business, and if there’s someone who’s been doing that job for years, you tend to listen to what they say because they’ve been there before and know what they’re talking about.
A classroom is full of immature kids who already think they know everything, not men working for a living.
Young NFL players are more like school kids than business men.
This just shows how out of touch some of you are.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
You don't think a football team isn't a classroom full of people that think they know everything already?
Don’t kid yourself buddy, but it works exactly the same way in business.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
THIS^
Thats my point exactly. Respect comes from winning and if he can get those players to believe they will be back to winning again. Then this is the guy.
He is too old to even earn that respect, just like raheem was too young
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't have to earn it
200 career wins kind of speaks for itself. You don’t earn something you already have.
These players were alive for about 1/4th of those wins...
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I somehow doubt that
Considering the majority of his Chargers teams posted double-digit wins. I’d say there were a good 50 wins from 2000-2006, easy.
Unless you think we’re drafting toddlers, that’s a pretty exaggerated statement.
you do realize that they were 10 years old when he was HC of the chargers.
they don’t even remember seeing him coach.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
but he hasn't proven he can win at that age!
Being too old is just as bad as being too young.
How hard of a concept is this for you?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
With that said
None of these coaches have proven they can win at their age. Especially the coordinators. They haven’t proven anything as a head coach.
it is fact. There hasn't been a coach that has taken over a young team past age 65 and won.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Because it hasn't been tried before
For years young head coaches were looked down on. Then guess what, one succeeded, and opinion changed.
name one coach that took over a bad team past 65 and won a playoff game
One.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Try it the other way around,
Name coaches that took over bad teams past 65 and didn’t make the playoffs. I’m not going to make your argument for you.
What?
Dick Vermil. Took over the chiefs and failed.
Joe Gibbs
Jim Mora (despite having the best QB in the game)
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
If I remember other arguements on here correctly
Dick Vermil won a SB, that’s not failure lol.
Right now you’re 2:1 against. Now what’s the ratio for young coaches flaming out horribly? I betcha it’s higher than that lol.
Dick Vermil took over the rams well before 65.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 13, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
You do realize 10 year olds watch football, right?
Stories abound, especially amongst players, of watching TV and having football heroes at a young age. There was a special on Brady yesterday where they were talking about him and his family being Niners season ticket holders when he was far younger than 10.
To an extent
Your right about all those things. But think about it this way. The top defenses are still in the playoffs. Baltimore, Denver, Texans, and San Fran. Carolina could score on anyone but they couldnt stop anybody so they ended up watching the playoffs. Also the best running games/backs are still in the playoffs. Again Deven, Baltimore, Texans and San Fran. Marty ball still lives it just isnt exciting so you dont see it on sportscenter doesn’t mean it doesnt work.
That defense is really legit, though
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Yep. Look who the Texans lost to down the stretch, despite having the #2 defense, because Schaub wasn't there to air it out anymore.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
because defense doesn't matter anymore.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
What
And that same defense help AJ Green in check to give them a victory when it mattered IN THE PLAYOFFS. Look at denver. Your telling me if they had a mediocre defense they would have beat the Steelers. Your crazy
Tebow beat the Steelers, not their defense.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
How many points did the steelers score again?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
That's his point
If Denver had a mediocre defense, the Steelers would’ve scored many more points, and Tebow wouldn’t have had the opportunity to apply his OT magic.
my head hurts
you guys don’t know what you are talking about.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
ok
Tebow is not winning shootouts like brees or rodgers. he is winning close games. Unless you are somehow gonna tell me that Tebow is responsible for the low score then I’m right. THE TEAM won the game
I'll tell you what
The next time Tebow puts up 40 points to win, with absolutely no help from his defense, I’ll shut up and leave the boards.
Until then, Denver’s D carries that team.
Tebow inspires that D to play well.
Further proof you need a QB in today’s NFL, either to pass every down or to inspire.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I really don't know what to say.....
Your telling me that defense will decide not to play well because Tebow is not on the field……I’m sure Jon Fox had something to do with the defense. Not Tebow.
Let me know the next time Tebow plays defense
He doesn’t magically make the defense play better anymore than I magically make coffee appear in a pot.
Still made the playoffs
Still won their first game. Your point about losing Schaub helps my point. If Brees Brady or Rodgers gets hurt that team is no longer a playoff team.
but they are still in the playoffs
They have a playoff win. Who cares how they got in…..they got in
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For those that think DEF doesn't matter anymore...
during last weekends Wild Card games, there were 8 teams playing:
Five of the 8 had defenses ranked – #1, #2, #3, #4 and #7
Defense will clearly get you into the playoffs…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
and then lose in the playoffs.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Better to get there and lose...
than to not get there at all. Like us.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
that's absolutely untrue.
It’s better to lose and load up on talent and find a great coach at the level of mccarthy, peyton or bellicheck.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Your "youth" bought us...
a 3-13 and 4-12 season – sandwiched around an obvious fluke.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
When did I say someone under 40 should be running an NFL team?
I’ve always been consistent with this. Over 40, under 60, or don’t bother.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
So anyone, in your mind, that is outside that demograph...
cannot be a quality coach?
That don’t make no sense…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the statistics, beyond a few outliners
no one has been able to walk into a new situation and succeed.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
You best opportunity to improve a young, undisciplined team...
is to bring in a very experienced HC that has the network to assemble a strong, experienced staff. A young coach, like a Rob Chudzinski, may not be able to do that. It’s not that I don’t like Chudzinski, because he has done some good things, but I still feel at this point we need a strong disciplinarian that will repair the last 3 years of the “I’m your coach and your pal” damage.
There will be a lot of new faces in 2012 – as you would expect on a 4-12 team. We tried youth and it did not work. Let’s try experience this time.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
he's going to be that old substitute teacher
No one will take him seriously as they know in 2-3 years shott is gone either way too.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
What is with all of the teacher references...
you still in school or something?
by Cracker Ball on Jan 14, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
That's the mentality of the players. Sorry.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
You hang out with a lot of players?
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Not everyone young...
is irrationally stupid.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
either way he will be seen as a short term solution.
That won’t win respect.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Either way
You’re making assumptions, and that’s fine, but please stop expressing disbelief that people aren’t embracing your half baked opinions.
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Removing the useless players...
and bringing in a HC that knows how to win, based on a history of winning, makes more sense that gambling – again.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 14, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Agree lee and CB
I dont get it why he thinks schott is too old to coach here, thats what our players need. He must have issues with authority figures or resents his dad for some reason.
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by Bucfan on Jan 14, 2012 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes that's exactly right. I hate my father that's why I think great grandpas can't coach anymore
Or I’ve watched old men in college lose it while sports ‘fans’ apologized for them.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
if i remember correctly
The Saints lost their final two games just before the playoffs during their super bowl run. That didn’t matter for them. The packers were one game from not being a playoff team but they got in. Its not how you get in its what you do when you get there
by gusjackson on Jan 13, 2012 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
its about damn time...
the way he turned cam from a possible bust to an elite QB is intriguing.
If I could wear a bucs shirt with a noles hat for the rest of my life, by golly I would be the happiest man in the world.
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“We saw a 36 on the board, AND THAT’S A PLAY!”
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
This is the only acceptable interview they have done.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions
Dont forget schotts interview.....
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no, that was unacceptable.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree with that!!
We need a coach here that can push these guys and make them accountable, regardless the age of the coach.
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The Glazers have been reading Sander's articles
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
I wonder if they actually look at sites like this one to get fan's perception of the team.
Of course they can’t take everything said to heart, but it would be a good tool to use.
Oderint dum metuant
I bet they probably do!!
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by Bucfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like that he looks like a guest from the Tim & Eric Awesome Show Great Job!
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
haha this
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I'm glad that Chud and Mike
are being interviewed, as I think they are the most interesting head coaching candidates being discussed.
He has a step up on
other canidates. He has already seen film on our team and knows our players, if he gets the job I doubt it would take him long to straighten out the locker room.
That and he hasn't been a failure everyone else, like all the other candidates.
He understands the modern game, and isn’t a grandpa is a huge help too.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
He is not a failure
But how much success has he really had……none as a head coach. If you think 200 wins is not an accomplishment your out of your mind. Chud would a good hire but there are numerous coordinators that take over at head coach and don’t succeed. I would like a proven winner if I can get one.
I think 200 wins is great, but if you are that old you can't handle the game anymore.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Examples
First, Tom Coughlin 65 years old. (three years younger than Marty) is he too old? No one in New York is saying that right now.
Second, Dick Vermeil was 69 when he coach the Chiefs to a 10-6 record. He was 63 when he won the super bowl.
Saying because he is old wont make him a good coach is like saying because someone is young that will make them a good coach. (Ask Raheem and Josh Daniels how that worked out for them) Your also saying he wont relate to players…..I don’t want him to relate to players. We just had a “players coach” enough of that. Mike Tomlin said when he first got to the Steelers he didnt pal around with anyone. Ate by himself and said he wasnt going to be a “players coach” in Pittsburg. Look what that did for him. I don’t want the next hotshot coming in and try to experiment their way to a victory. cough Steve Spurrier cough
Eli's having one of the best years of his career this year, not a coincidence that the Giants are in the playoffs because of it. The Giants entire secondary died before the season, Eli is why they're in the playoffs. Not defense or Tom Coughlin.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Did you watch last weeks game
Giants have one of the best defensive lines in football and your saying their defense isnt doing anything. Blasphemy
That game actually proves my point. Dink and dunk Matty Ice couldn't get it done because his OC runs the West Coast as if it's still 30 years ago.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Coughlin has won a superbowl and has been in charge of that team since he was in his 50s.
Name one example of a head coach well into his 60s that has joined a team, implemented HIS system, and won a championship?
Name one.
Dick Vermeil didn’t implement his system.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Who said
it had to be HIS system. Marty is still very well respected around the league he can bring in an offense guy and use that system. Marty would mainly bring leadership and poise two things this franchise desperately needs
What makes you think he won't want to do marty ball?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
He may or may not
But think of it this way. Freeman plays his best ball off of play action fakes. That is what Marty ball is all about run the ball and beat teams with play action.
WE CAN BEAT THEM IF WE DO ONE PASS PER EVERY SET OF DOWNS
What league have you been watching?
Marty ball is run, run, pass, punt.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
franchise qb
Wasn’t the point made that we have to play to our franchise qbs strenths.
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by Mattw313 on Jan 13, 2012 1:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
coughlin is 65 i believe and hes still doing it at a high level too.
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 13, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
he also has a superbowl ring and has had the respect of that team for 7 years
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
How did he get that respect
FROM OLD SCHOOL DISCIPLE. He earn the respect from his players by being a sound leader not from “relating to players” If your saying Marty can’t do that your fooling yourself.
Bull
Coughlin was considered the most disliked coach this year by players
Being an old hard ass doesn’t work anymore.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Again, that team is where they're at because Eli was more like Peyton this year than like Eli.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Thanks to Coughlin letting Eli do what he wants.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Marty can't do that at 69 years old.
Coughlin has been in charge since he was in his 50s.
He has earned the respect of that team.
By the time Marty does that he will be dead.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
and took the team over in his 50s.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
We might have a winner guys let's hope this interview pans out
It is all about the right coach who can get the “Franchise” back on track which is Freeman and this seems like the best guy to do it after watching him work with a another atheletic raw qb in Cam Cam. This guy seemed to play to Cam’s strenghts so he should do the same with Freeman better than Olsen did.
Wow, someone that actually understands how the NFL currently works.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Yeah i can't wait for marty to come in and force freeman to hand the ball off on down 1 and 2 and then be a pocket passer on 3rd down
what a joke
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
Like he did for Philip Rivers and his breakout season…… 22 TDs and over 3000 yards. Ok Thats exactly how the Chargers got to 14-2
Seriously, we can't even reference anything Marty has done in this league in the past. How long has that been, nearly 6 years?
The league has changed so much since then.
Also, if you think Blount or even TRich is better than LT was, you cray.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Dick Vermeil was out of coaching for 15 years
and he came back to win a super bowl. So save the ‘hes been out of the league too long to succeed’ nonsense.
Did the league really change much when Dick Vermeil left to when he came back? The league has changed drastically since Marty was last in it.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
So the league has changed drastically in the past 6 years
but didn’t change during that 15 year span? So now you’re just arguing in the face of evidence and just being ignorant. Gotcha.
Oh, so it's just now that 30 QB's decide to break Marino's record this year after something like 30 years. k
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Something like the last 5-6 superbowl championship teams didn't have a 1K rusher that year. Running doesn't work anymore, running = marty ball.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I never said it didnt change now
just that it did as well during the 15 year span Vermeil was out of football. Your reading comprehension skills are incredible.
and how many QB's came close. If you can't put 2 and 2 together I don't know what to say
While a running game has not even been a factor for superbowl winners.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is why we need to draft Trent Richardson
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Which record
If I am remembering correct Drew Bree broke the single season passing record this year. What other records were broken this year. Also do you really expect ANYONE to come in to this team and get Freeman to play like a hall of famer like Brees. Not happening anytime soon.
How about TE records being shattered this year. You think Marty would use the TE position like it should be used in the modern NFL?
He’ll waste high draft picks on blocking TE’s so he can run the ball which hasn’t worked in ages!
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Chud.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Because Chud makes the draft choices….oh that’s right.
And guess what, you’re making my point for me. Marty can be in a gurney, but if he brings in good talent for coordinators, it doesn’t matter.
Look at the players drafted under Marty while as a HC on teams prior to SD.
Then suddenly he drafts amazing in SD?
It’s called having AJ Smith.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Once again
It doesn’t matter. The argument that Marty will spend high draft picks on blocking TEs is ignorant. If you’re not going to give him credit for good draft choices made during his tenure, how is he magically to blame for draft choices that haven’t been MADE yet?
Ok, well then if I can't lose that line, then you can't credit him for Gates. Deal?
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
So AJ Smith brings in Gates, and he doesn't have a career year until Chud gets a hold of him because he gets it.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
So Marty hires an OC
And the problem goes away. Same thing that happened in SD. They got an OC, problem went away.
Marty has been out of touch from the NFL for 5-6 years now. His coaching tree has withered away and now is basically a weed that extends into the UFL.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
And who got the best year out of gates?
Chud did.
Boom, outta here.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Marty will win games but never a Championship, he is Dungy 2.0
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 13, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions
I think it's comical people are knocking Marty so hard for his age
especially when our last coach was 35 and couldn’t get it done. We don’t need a coach who connects with his players, we need a coach who knows how to win and has a vast knowledge of football.
Players buy into winning more than anything else.
Having a 70 year old coach is just as bad as a 35 year old coach.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care if they bring him out in a wheelchair or a gurney
As long as he wins games, he’s the right decision.
but he won't win games, that's my point.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Let me borrow your crystal ball
If I have tomorrow’s powerball numbers, I might think you’re able to magically predict things.
He's always won games
so unless you have something that shows a direct correlation between age and winning, your argument is nothing more than your opinion. Vermeil won a superbowl in his mid 60s.
Vermeil was an exception to a rule, because he let his coordinators do the work.
Let’s talk about coaches winning games well into their 60s right after they took over a team.
It’s never happened.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
You have an excuse for every piece of evidence that refutes your points
and very little to back up what your saying than listing the ages of the most recent super bowl winners. I’m sure I can find dozens of guys aged 40-60 who have failed as head coaches.
Im sure you can, but it's nearly impossible to list a coach that took over at team past the age of 65 and won.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Cmon Dukes
Now your speaking Crazy. How can you possibly say Marty won’t win games? He only has a history of doing that(as recent as this past year, granted UFL). But this guy has what it takes. Hate to break it to you but 67 is not that old. My dad is 69 and still plays sports himself. Marty will bring in people that will run the offense. Marty is just the leader… The wisdom behind it all. Coaching is mostly like riding a bike, you don’t win 200 games then all of a sudden forget how to coach.
by gmaz1 on Jan 13, 2012 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not to the point where you can't adapt.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
You say that like
He came back and failed……He has been adapting to the game since he started coaching. Its not like the game changed for the first time yesterday
It's changed since he last coached in it.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
It's changed since I woke up today
You can’t knock someone’s ability to adapt when you don’t have anything to say they can’t other than that they’re relatively old.
Martyball has it's on wiki page bro
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by gusjackson on Jan 13, 2012 6:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And I'm saying
He has dealt with change before and ADAPTED. You act like he is going to start coaching and not know any of the rules….
....and you know this...how?
Clearly your not basing this argument off the 200 career wins he has.
Innovation > Old tired out coaching philosophies
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
his philosophy
Is good discipline football. its not innovative but it has worked since the game started and will continue to work today
by gusjackson on Jan 13, 2012 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Running the ball 70% of the time will not work today. That is almost certainly going to be his philosophy.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
If we hire another defensive minded coach, you can write this team off for the next 3 years
until the glazers wake up and hire an offensive guru like chud.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Running the ball is a dead strategy.
Pass first, run second. Welcome to the nfl post you can’t touch the QB rule.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
This is again unproven.
This could be because most 60 + year old men dont want coach the game anymore. This 60 + man does. As long as he is driven by not winning a championship and is willing to do what ever it takes to get there then thats the guy. I dont care if he is 19 or 85 if he can change the philosophy and win games. I dont care if he is winning 40-43 or 10-3 games, as long as his is WINNING!
Again, I think the Chuds and Zimmer interviews show some definite change with the Glazers. I am enjoying seeing the various candidates and hope the Glazers just CHOOSE INTELLIGENTLY!!!
by Marlon The Okayplayer on Jan 13, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions
If not Marty
Zimmer is my guy. Will come in and really help this defense. Now I am down for that move only if we get a damn good OC
get back to me when a defense wins a superbowl in the post you can't touch the QB rule.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Steelers and Indy
Steelers had an offense but that defense was the heart and soul of that team.
Indy because until Dungy got in there and fix the huge holes they had in their defense they would have NEVER beat New England.
Oh and speaking of New England, alot of their championships came from the epic patch work that Belllick continues to do ever year. This year is the worse defense he has had but that defense made huge plays during their super bowl runs.
Indy's D won them a superbowl? loooooooool
Look at the Peyton MAnningless 2012 Colts.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
they didnt win until
The defense plugged up holes
by gusjackson on Jan 13, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Worst D ever in NE but they got a 1st round playoff bye. GEE I WONDER WHY?
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
let's not talk about how bad the packers D was either!
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
brady
Is one of the greatest qbs of all time. Unless you have one of those you better have a defense that can stop people
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There's like 5 of those guys. They're in the finals and winning superbowls now, defenses can't stop them because you can't touch them! You just can't stop them.
Chud has proven he could come close to a Brady with a rookie Cam. That’s our best shot at being one of those teams, bring in an innovative offensive mind. Defenses are for the most part irrelevant now.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Of the 8 teams still in the playoffs
4 of them got their on the backs of their defense. Broncos, Niners, Ravens and Texans. Another got there based in large part on the strength of it’s defensive line: Giants.
Of the 8 teams left in the playoffs, only NE, NO, and GB are solely offensive teams.
So 5/8 of the playoff field is there mostly because of defense, and defense is for the most part irrelevant? Try again.
Oh the Broncos D that is 24th in the league in points given up per game?
The Broncos D that is 20th in yards given up per game?
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Yes, that Broncos D
The same one that during it’s win streak, held SD to 13 points, KC to 10, Chicago to 10, and the Jets to 13. And that was before the wheels fell off the Jets offense towards the end of the season. Then there was the Dolphins being held to 15 before that.
Their points given up per game is inflated by high powered offenses putting up 40 points (NE, Buffalo, GB and Detroit).
Denver made the playoffs because of Defense.
Sounds like a pretty good D
Their points given up per game is inflated by high powered offenses putting up 40 points (NE, Buffalo, GB and Detroit).
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It does
Most defenses would have significant points put up on them by those 4 teams, although Buffalo wasn’t very consistent with it. NE, GB and Detroit though, can score on anyone.
Bad defenses gave up 60 pts to them right?
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Texans? LOL. They had their playoff spot sealed when Schaub was still the QB, they went from playoff bye to almost losing the division despite having the #2 D. Losing to the freaking Colts, Panthers, and Titans.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Matt Schaub is not an elite QB
He averaged around 250 ypg and had only 15 TDs. The Texans #2 defense kept them in those game.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
They lost to the Colts
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
hmmmm
Greenbay – Last
New England – 31st
Giants – 27th
Saints -24th
Broncos – 20th
Texans, ravens, niners are the exception to the rule it seems.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Thats why the broncos
Look at how the broncos got in winnning the worse division in football. (you could argue the nfc west) giants forever have been known for their pass rush but their secondary sucks. Green Bay has the most turnovers created this year. The numbers you pulled up are mainly about total yardage.
jeez I wonder why new england, green bay and the giants have lots of turnovers
maybe because they score so god damn much that the other team is forced to take a ton of risks?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
True But.
In the Giants game they just beat up altanta. Once a team cant move the ball the frustration goes throughout the team. You take a teams offense out of it and their confidence goes out the window.
because it isn't 1989 and the west coast offence doesn't work.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Precisely.
It happened with Freeman and the Bucs this year.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Right
If the defense would have showed up. Freeman could keep saying don’t worry we can still win this game. When our defense was playing “good” in the beginning of the year freeman didnt put up that good of numbers (remember everyone gettting on him for ints) but the defense kept them in it. If it wasnt for them we would be 0-16 and looking at andrew luck.
By the way
How did the giants win that game…..Defense. As a matter of the only points scored was the offense fault. Playoffs. Your defense has to show up. Period
Atlanta thinks the west coast offence works in the modern nfl is why they won.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
if i recalled
That same west coast offense got them the best record in the league last year and got them into the playoffs this year. Its not the west coast offense fault that matty slush can’t play in the playoffs
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how many titles has it won them?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, how many playoff W's has it gotten them?
Zero.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
They run it differently then its "suppose" to be run
Look up the definition of west coast offense. Pass first horizontal attack. Sound familiar New England runs a new version of the west coast offense so to say it doesnt work is just dumb
The Giants D has sucked most of the year
Their offense has carried them. Not the other way around
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Yep. Their entire secondary practically died prior to the season.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Your right 5 of those
ON THE PLANET! Thats why you have to have defense to keep you in games. Plus imagine if New England did have defense… they would go undefeated again. Oh and speaking of undefeated how did the Giants beat the undefeated new england…..getting to the quaterback.
At this point I'll settle for winning in the regular season
Which a good defense does. This is obvious from the fact that Denver, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and San Francisco are all still in the playoffs, and that teams like Cincinnati made the playoffs on the strength of their defense.
I’ll worry about the Super Bowl once we start winning more than 3-4 games a season on a somewhat consistent basis.
I'd rather take a risk on a potential genius offensive guru and get another high draft pick then
lose in the first round for 3 years while we wait for marty to die in his sleep
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fine, you settle on wasting times on a potential genius, I'll win games
High draft picks haven’t exactly worked out for us in the past, so I’d rather not count on them.
Well that's because bruce allen was a nepotism hire
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say it's too early for MD's draft picks
I’d say the defensive picks in the late 90s were fantastic.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
turner never changed the way the game was played like chud did with TEs.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
One bad game
If you are an offensive team and your qb has one bad game in the playoffs its over. Ask the saints. one bad game and you lose to seattle in the first round.
Totaly with you
I think Marty would give us some organization that we dont have, would settle and be happy winning 8 games next year.Its going to take at least 2 years to even start thinking about the playoffs
You say that like Chud is proven
Whos to say he is the next Norv Turner. Great coordinator a bust at head coach.
No one. He might be a bust. You can't win unless you gamble.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
so why cant we gamble the other way
Sounds to me that your only willing to do a one way gamble.
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There is no gamble the other way. The other way you get a 10-6 team and loses in the first round.
And miss the Chud boat.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine if we could hire Chud
and somehow trade for Tebow. WOW
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You are probably right
Teams just don’t trade elite qbs
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when....
Did tebow become elite. A winner yes but if he came to tampa he would be a scrub playing with zero defense
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You're probably right. I jumped the gun
He’s a hair behind the Rodgers, Brees, Bradys of the world
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Try more than a hair
If you’re talking about pure QB skills, Tebows ranked somewhere in the 20s….and probably not the high 20s either.
My point is
We need a coach that can win with little help. Given our track record we wont spend the money at key positions to make this team prolific on offense. So why not hire a guy that has experience and can get the best out of little talent
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because too old is just as bad as too young
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
No one has taken over a team past 65 and won a playoff game in the modern nfl.
That’s a fact.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
And that somehow means it WON'T happen?
At one point, there wasn’t a coach who’d won a SB before the age of 40. Then it happened.
It might happen, but the chances of it are less then if you hired a smart guy in his 40s/50s
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand why you don't see that it's better to take a risk on a smart guy with Chud and get a potential bellicheck/mccarthy/peyton
then get a known playoff loser like marty?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Because Bellichick, McCarthy and Payton are the exceptions
Not the rule. The majority of young HCs flame out within 3 years, especially in their first HC job.
I’d rather bring in someone like Marty to be the HC for a few years, and bring in a good coordinator he can groom as a replacement. That way we get the ship righted NOW, and that coordinator learns from someone who knows what he’s doing.
Are you can just cut the crap and bring in an excellent coordinator in Chud.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Or
We would have to wait and let this coordinator fumble his way through the job instead of brining in a guy who knows what he is doing and continue with a already built philosophy. Dungy(Btw was once one of Marty coordinators) came in and build a philosophy. That philosophy is what won us the super bowl and kept this team relevant until the last couple of years.
How often does that happen.
Marty, bellicheck, peyton came in and did their own thing right away.
They didnt’ need to be groomed.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
he failed because you can't succeed at anything in ohio
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
and chud by marty. He's ready.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
The ones that help your agruement
are the Harbaugh brothers. Again only but so many of those around.
About the same for any coach not being a bust
Its too unpredictable. I would rather bring in someone who will bring in good help and if he doesnt work out one of assistants might.
You know who thinks defenses win championships.
Rex Ryan.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Marty will run a team like Olsen or Gruden tried to run their offenses, have them conform to his ways.
Guys like Chud will mold what they have to work with into something that will actually work.
Chud is more to your example than Marty is.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Marty wouldnt have to change anything
Freeman’s strengths are what Marty preaches. What changes would he have to make. it would be able getting his confidence back.
Marty needs to learn that running the ball doesn't matter.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
there is always an exception to the rule.
Here’s the problem there is only 1-2 ray rices a year and even then they don’t last more then a 2-3 years.
Better to develop a QB that will be there for 15.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ravens, Texans, and SF won't win with Flacco, Yates, and Smith despite all having top defenses.
Which goes back to the point about how you truly succeed in the modern NFL.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
despite having top defenses and 1K rushers*
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Look at the previous superbowl winners.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
As far as I see
All those teams have as good of as any team. Playoffs any team can win it. Btw you see what happens when you try to play shootout with new orleans. You wont win. Only a handful of teams can do that. But if you play sound D you can beat those teams.
It's not hard to see that it won't happen again.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Doug09...
Defense won Saturday (SF over NO) and again on Sunday (BAL over TEX)
DEFENSE LIVES!
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Get back to me when it's new england vs green bay/new orleans
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow has 660 rushing yards this season, that's not marty ball. A QB running is something Chud would do before Marty.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
yep. Marty would want him to hand it off and play action on 3rd.
Freeman should be shotgun all day every day and licence to run.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I guarantee Freeman a couple of 1st rders would get it done
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Then we try again.
The league is like the NBA now. Without a superstar QB and a head coach that knows how to use him leading your team, you will not win a superbowl.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
we don't have a superstar QB
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
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I believe we do if he has the right offensive minded HC.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Thats a fact.
You do need a top 10 maybe top 15 qb to win. but if your qb does not crack inside the top 10 your not winning super bowls. Philip Rivers threw for over 4600 this year and consistently above 4000 and is consider one of the top 10 qbs (who also has an offensive coach he loves) in the league with a guy who is an off. He is currently on his couch watching the playoffs like all of us
norv turner shouldnt have been hired the 2nd time around
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
So your saying Marty shouldn't have been fired
after going 14-2 and then end up being replaced by a “offensive genius”
Defense and running the ball consistently still wins
The best way to beat a team that you are not offensively as good as. You need to run the ball. Keep the ball and control the clock. If said defense cant stop the run they will be on the field for a long time. No qb is good on the sidelines. This still has merit for why you want to be to run the football and play solid d
you have no point. You won't win a superbowl with a top defense and top running back
Game changed when they made the QB untouchable.
Either you figure out if you have one with a offensive minded HC, or intentionally lose games until you draft one.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Your talking about future Hall of Fame Quaterbacks
Unless you have one of those your not winning. And dont use Cam as an example because he didnt win. Oh and running backs are useless you say. I’m sure Carolina wont say that. They two good ones that help make that offense what it was.
He is my arguement for a Defensive Coach
We wont have to waste draft picks on defense. That coach will get the most of the defense so we can put a quality offense on the field.
The bottom line is that you make your argument sound like it's the end-all-be-all of professional football.
Obviously there are many ways to win a game.
Your right
And you have to go by what personel you currently have and what you can realistically acquire.
There's only one way to win a modern superbowl
So no.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
doesn't take a nostradamus to look at facts
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Chargers Dallas Phili
Are all offensive teams that didnt make it. No such thing as one way to win. And by that definition the 49ers shouldnt even be close
all those teams are poorly managed and coached.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Philip Rivers played like crap this year
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failed to win a championship and has no idea how to handle that team anymore
norv turner was always garbage, and the cowboys are plain awful and overhyped.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Those teams have
The exact plan your saying. I’m not saying throw the ball all over the place doesnt work. what I am saying is in this day NFL nothing is certain. Things change week to week. QBs get hurt struggle ect. Putting your eggs all in one basket is setting up for failure. Planning through defense gives your team much more longevity
and a first or second round playoff loss every year.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not this year
again one injury or a few bad games from your qb and your finished if your an offense only team. again SEE INDY
They are getting the next potential superstar QB.
Looks good to me.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
no, just keep drafting one until you get it right.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
So your plan is
Spend the entire time chase ghosts or build a dominate defense and if you find a suitable quarterback your ready to make run.
worked for green bay quite well
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
What No.
They got a legend and drafted a kid who in turn learn from a legend. We dont have a legend to start with. So no this is not the Green Bay plan. Ask the redskins about chasing from qb to qb works out.
you think aaron rodgers learned anything from favre
if you really believe that you don’t understand pro athletes at that level
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
also, when have the redskins spent a high first rounder on a qb
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
oh the 25th overall is a high first huh
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
and where was rodgers select
…..oh yeah that’s right!
by gusjackson on Jan 13, 2012 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because Gruden and Allen were incapable morons.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I'm going with Allen more then gruden as an incapable moron.
Just look at washington DC now.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my God...
I actually agree with you. Dang.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Gruden could call a game, he just never had personal.
Gruden shouldn’t have to take the fall for that .
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Fact
Best thing I have seen you post. But that team is starting to come around somewhat. They are a qb away from being kinda dangerous and seeing how they might get manning makes them intriguing
look at the saints today...
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by gusjackson on Jan 14, 2012 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Has it? I thought they won because of their defense.
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because of the QB running the ball.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
So what your asking for
is a qb that run and pass for a 3000 and 1000. Last I checked that hasnt happened too often. I do agree that Freeman needs to run more. He was second in rushing yards only to mike vick when they went 10-6
RG3!
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
He has the P word
Potential. I actually think he will be better than Luck early on. But how many RG3 are their each year. 3 a decade really.
#1 rushing offense and they still couldn't score
This proves how much of a passing league it is
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What is with all of this "Age Trolling"?
The man wins. He has averaged a 10-6 record over a 20 year HC career. He will command respect from you, or you will quickly be playing for another team. Schotty won’t let the locker room get away from him like Rah did. He is way too experienced for that.
Specifically addressed to putupyourDUKES – Age = Experience
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
yeah its annoying
No facts to back the argument. If you gave Lombardi today id still take his zombie corpse to coach the team. “Winning isn’t everything. Winning is the thing!”
by gusjackson on Jan 13, 2012 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sure Age= Experience, but there is diminishing returns on it.
the NFL coaching world is a middle aged mans game.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
you sound like you still think the running game and defense matter
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
If defense doesn't matter anymore in todays NFL
then why were the top 2 scoring defenses in the Super Bowl last year
- Pittsburgh at 14.5 pts/game
- Green Bay at 15.0 pts/game
how many yards did the packers give up this year, saints, new england, denver, and giants?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
You back up your claims with empty rhetoric...
GB gives up A LOT of yards, but also has A LOT of takeaways. That would be a form of defense – no?
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Because of a good offence. Teams are forced to throw the ball to keep up, and in doing so turn the ball over.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
BAL and TEX are still alive, as is DEN and SF...
and all 4 have a strong DEF. Half the teams are offensive minded – the other half are DEF minded. Let’s see what happens before we completely discount defense.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Tommy Brady will destroy Den and Drew Brees will piss all over SF. Watch.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
omg but defense and the run hurf durf
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I'm expecting the, YA BUT THEY'RE 2 OF THE BEST IN THE GAME reply.
Ya, no shit. The best way to beat them is to try and do to their defense what they’re doing to you. You’re not stopping them.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
No
I got san fran winning because they wont be playing on a track field. San fran has the worse field in football not will get traction and that will slow down the saints. if any thing i see it a blow out the other way
I'm sorry but the oldest teacher at the school was never taken seriously
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
PuppyD, you're in touch with today's youth, you got it right.
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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I'm the same age as those players, the minute marty calls it 'the twits' it's game over in that locker room
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 13, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Please explain some of the things you are a fan of.
I clicked on your name, and the right-hand column was pretty interesting.
what's sarcasm?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
He is a semi-professional troll
But he may get called up to the bigs after today.
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More Rays bloggers...
hostile without reason.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
just tired of watching our teams be cheered on by fans with bad opinions
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't make them wrong...
I thought we just finished 4-12. What opinion should I have?
by Cracker Ball on Jan 14, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I figured bucs fans would have seen all of this before
bringing in retread coaches from up north well past their prime to coach a mediocre team and bring you back to the stadium while making no real moves to make a long term improvement.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
The Bucs fans that have been around a while...
have seen lots of unfortunate things.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 14, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, Trying to change people's opinion on the internet should lead to a feelings of success.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
I'm not trying to change opinions. Just let people know they are wrong.
Then I can come back in 12 months and gloat.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
It's good to have goals....
I mean, why reach for the stars when you can pick one out of the gutter, right?
well with the opinions around here it's not hard
Guess who liked blunt but was bashed around here for it.
This guy.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
best team in the best stadium best city with the best fans
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Don't forget best hot dogs with the best buns with the best mustard and best relish
best seats with the best view.
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Tropicana Field is probably the worst baseball stadium...
so I am not sure where you’re going with this…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 14, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Nope. That special title is reserved for my favorite baseball team. The A's.
Worst stadium experience ever.
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by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 13, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions
He played at the U, and coached some of the best TEs that have ever played at the U
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Nice chats with you guys. Good luck to your failed coaching philosphys this weekend.
I hope the glazers wake up and realize a defensive HC is a bad idea and goes with chud, but if it’s shott I’ll still be a fan and remind people how right I was when we with 10 and lose in the first round and have to rebuild AGAIN in 3 years.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 12:53 AM EST reply actions
Also... thanks for inciting near riot and then bailing
Instigator… ugh
by Cracker Ball on Jan 14, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't bail brah, no worries.
Like I said, either we get a guy that is ready for his first HC job and we have a chance at becoming an offensive powerhouse, or we go play in the land of mediocre football.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jan 14, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Mediocre football would actually be an improvement...
Basically anyone we hire would be an improvement – let’s just hope that Dom doesn’t get in the way of attracting, and signing, better players to our team.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 14, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
"philosphys"
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "not since they nerfed sunfire capes"
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jan 14, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
And that's when the CHUD came after me...
Our next head coach?
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I see determination in his eyes
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