What happened to that 'thorough, wide search' the Tampa Bay Buccaneers promised?
by Sander on Jan 12, 2012 4:33 PM EST
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PrintWhen Joel Glazer spoke to the media after firing Raheem Morris, he spoke of the coaching search. He said that the Bucs would conduct a "thorough, wide search". He said that they wouldn't "pigeonhole" themselves. He said that this would be an "exhaustive" search and that the Bucs would interview many different candidates. Finally, he said that the search would take as long as was necessary to find the right person for the job.
Well, it's certainly taking a long time, which would suggest that they still haven't found the right person. But that may not be because they're conducting an exhaustive search and just not finding who they want, because the Glazers have seemingly limited the type of coach they're willing to examine.
They've interviewed one (experienced) coordinator in Jerry Gray and are rumored to be interested in one other experienced coordinator in Mike Zimmer. Other than those two, every other interviewed or rumored coach has already been a head coach before. Clearly the Bucs have pigeonholed themselves as they're looking for experience.
No college coaches have been interviewed. No offensive coordinators have been examined. No one considered to be a young, up-and-coming coach (except Jerry Gray) has even been deemed worthy of a glance. The Bucs didn't get what they wanted out of Raheem Morris, but that doesn't mean they need to go in the exact opposite direction.
A 'thorough, wide search' would include at least interviewing some young coordinators and college head coaches - and maybe even some position coaches. That doesn't mean the Bucs need to hire them - but why not at least give them a look? Is there a downside to doing that?
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Just because it isn't announced that we interviewed someone doesn't mean didn't interview them, right?
I know the Bucs are pretty private with what goes on in house, and maybe the candidates they might have interviewed are being tight lipped as well.
Oderint dum metuant
Not doubtful at all.
These guys are very behind the scenes and sneaky, and as far as I know, they haven’t announced any interviews, it’s coming from other sources. Who knows who they have talked to, and I would not be surprised if they surprise everybody with the new coach that nobody expected.
Where the heck is Keyser?
Not hard to tell these guys to shut it or it's no go.
Those agents get a pretty nice % of what their client makes. So there isn’t a problem. They allow some to talk, but it’s also a distraction. Nobody would have thought we would have landed Gruden, because the talk then was Parcells. And boom, in the middle of the night out of nowhere, here comes Gruden.
Where the heck is Keyser?
Flying candidates in private jet, making them wear black hoods, driving them to one buc place in limos with blacked out windows
it’s all very covert affair type stuf
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I know the Wade Phillips interview happens here tomorrow...
not in Tampa. Houston Sports Radio has talked about little else all week.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
The Jerry Gray and Mike Sherman interviews happened in Houston, too
The Childress and Schottenheimer interviews happened in Tampa, as far as I know.
Childress better not get the job
He was ousted of the Vikings locker room for being a liar and a fool.
With that said, I would love to have him as on OC.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 12, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Please, no chilly as HC, PLEASE!!!!!
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 12, 2012 9:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I miss Rah already - not.
The Bucs didn’t get what they wanted out of Raheem Morris, but that doesn’t mean they need to go in the exact opposite direction.
Oh my God… please mean EXACTLY that
I agree with this completely
There is no harm in a broad, thorough search. That was what they said they were going to do. So why aren’t they?
Fire Rah is the answer to getting back to the promise land huh?
I still have doubts as long as the Glazers are running this team. Rah did’t work out so do better homework when finding guys who fits the “hot canidate” doesn’t that make sense? I wonder since we will eventually hire whoever in his 1st yr here is it an excuse because we are expected to once again rebuild, are we gonna stand pat again and ignore free agency?
I believe it to be part of the answer...
as no one seemed to respect their “pal”. Need a hard-*ss to come in and whip people into some sembelance of shape.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
It depends on who we hire.
Wade Phillips will be like Rah but older, his Cowboy teams were undisciplined and they were more of a veteran team. Childress is just a jerk as we heard many Viking stories, we don’t need a tyrant here either.
At the very minimum, Wade Phillips would give us a solid DEF...
which is more that Rah could do – even after 3 years of trying. We actually got worse. He has spun around HOU from horrible to Top-Notch in one season. Not too shabby. A great DEF would, at least, give us one less thing to worry about.
We can only dream of having playoff failings…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Would love to see Talib chest bumping Phillips on the sideline.
Well not really.
Where the heck is Keyser?
C'mon Glazers....
Chip Kelly is the answer!
by TB Sam on Jan 12, 2012 5:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would like to interview some more up and coming coordinators, even college coaches
However, I’m growing more fond of the idea of Marty and three or four years down the road, him helping the team find his own successor. Can’t believe any team fires a coach after a 14-2 season.
It was AJ SMith we are talking about.
Eli refused to play for that fool.
He is referred to as “The Lord of NO Rings”.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 12, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
The "Marty and 3 or 4 years down the road" thinking...
could lead to some excellent OC and DC options. Having a potential replacement already on staff here has to be very appealing for some lucky boy or girl.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Most DEF!
We need some quality coaches, something DOM has been able to assign.
He is lacking impressive ability, but he may be handcuffed by the cheapo Glazers.
This year will be telling, Glazers, spend some cap, give a crap!
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 12, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
that is a great quote!
You guys down there need to make signs and protest chanting : spend some cap give a crap!!
That is pretty good BWD....
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 12, 2012 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In one of these posts somebody said they met Billick and he said he was happy not coaching
looks like he was lying because he is being considered for the Falcons OC job. I always said the only way billick could get back into coaching was this way
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 6:02 PM EST reply actions
yeah and I remember him crying about not getting any head coaching offers in the past
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't put much stock in anything the Glazers say...
If they said they weren’t going to pigeon hole their candidate but they did, in fact, already make up their minds that they wanted a person with head coaching experience, that’s fine with me. I actually think it’s better to go that route than it would be to hire a positions coach.
Don’t ask me to back this up with evidence as I don’t have the time, but my impression of them is that they say what they think we want to hear and then do what they want. I’m over that.
If we hire Marty then I have no complaints. It will simply mean that Joel is full of crap, which we should have already known.
If we hire Jerry Gray though, we’ll know that Joel was not only full of it, but that he’s also an idiot.
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Jerry Gray's certainly qualified to be a head coach
by Sander on Jan 12, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He has a lot of experience as a defensive coordinator
And led the NFL’s top defense in Buffalo once, and produced an elite unit another time.
Hey Sander
You think Gray would come be our DC? Is he currently employed or was he let go after the season?
by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Jan 12, 2012 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's what I was thinking
by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Jan 12, 2012 8:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Only way is if it's a promotion, so he'd have to be give
an assistant head coach or something like that, unless he already has that title. Promotions, currant teams can’t stop, lateral moves they can.
Where the heck is Keyser?
But every other person they're interviewing has HC experience...
So if they hire Jerry Gray and they don’t interview other people without HC experience, that would be idiotic. That’s what I was implying.
Also, plenty of people are “qualified” to do things that they are, in fact, terrible at. Whether that applies to Jerry Gray I neither know nor care, but I hope we have higher standards than simply looking at who is “qualified.”
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Gray really doesn't deserve the scepticism he's getting on bucs boards
He’s turned around secondaries, defenses, and built elite defenses. He’s got years and years of experience, both playing and coaching including years as a DC. He’s a good candidate. He is not my top choice, but we could do a hell of a lot worse than Gray and he deserves to be taken seriously.
Jerry gray would be disappointing
I never said he was a rooney rule interview because that discredits him somewhat but should he be considered? No, heck no. no more experiments, hire someone with coaching experience. No offense to gray but he hasn’t done anything special
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 13, 2012 8:02 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
He's rebuilt 1 secondary, and 2 defenses
Including 2 elite defenses in Buffalo, and a worst to average defense in tennessee when they LOST talent instead of adding it. He has iirc 5 years of mostly successful experience as a coordinator.
Elite is way over used on these boards.
How about OK or decent. He resume really isn’t that impressive, and I don’t think he’s even been to the playoffs as a coach. If it weren’t for the stupid and racist “Rooney Rule” we would have never heard of him.
Where the heck is Keyser?
The 2003 & 2004 Bills defenses were elite
2nd in yards allowed in both seasons, 5th and 8th in points allowed. The 2004 defense is one of the best ever by Football Outsiders’ numbers.
And it had nothing to do with Gregg Williams I'm sure.
And he hasn’t really had that kind of success in 9 years. Why would he go from DC to a DB coach? He’s bounced around ever since. Not so elite to me, glad he won’t be our next coach.
Where the heck is Keyser?
Considering the fact that Williams wasn't in Buffalo in 2004, nope
Mike Mularkey was the head coach then. When defensive coordinators, especially young ones, get released along with the rest of the coaching staff they often take a step back. That’s hardly an indictment.
When he’s had a chance as a defensive coordinator, the guy has produced. Can’t ask for much more than that.
Greg Olson was also around...
Mike Martz and Scott Linehan – but none of that seemed to rub off.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly the kind of comment I was talking about
The Rooney rule isn’t “racist”. You may disagree with it but it isn’t “racist” by any accepted definition of racism. I’m not going to go any further into politics on this blog beyond this comment, but that kind of comment is way more offensive than the Rooney rule. The rule only requires a single INTERVIEW (not hire). Gray got his interview because he earned it with a history of success, and comments like yours are exactly why we still need rules like that.
i think the rule discredits them to be honest
why do we need to have a rule at all? its stupid, its just discredting them in my opinion. Take the rule away and when a minority coach interviews for the job then he knows its for real not to bypass some rule plus jerry gray is a smart defensive coordinator who should get a shot soon, not here, at least not now but hes smart enough to accomplish that even if the rule wasnt there, its just dumb
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 13, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I blame that on the people doing the discrediting not the rule
Gray’s resume is stellar. The problem isn’t the rule. At worst that rule will be irrelevant some day. That will be a great day but we are NOWHERE close to that day.
I'm just repeating what I hear, and when I hear a man of color say the rule is racist,
Who am I to argue with him?
In the meantime, Mr Gray will just be used and made a fool of by this stupid rule. He’ll get his chance when he has earned it, just like Tony Dungy did.
And the problem isn’t so much how people think, cause I’d hope people aren’t as ignorant as they were back in the day, it’s more of a numbers issue.
Where the heck is Keyser?
I think the cream rises to the top...
and the “Rooney Rule”, and other similarly-themed quotas, are rediculously outdated and currently unecessary. Everybody wants to find the best person for the job opening and you can not force people to hire you anyway.
I also think it is an insult to those represented – as it automaticaly implies they cannot compete adequately on a level playing field.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
And I think that attitude, and bucnut1's as well is awful
And I think that attitude is proof the rule is absolutely needed. The reaction to Gray’s interview proves the rule is still needed.
I don’t think rule is even remotely similar to a quota since it doesn’t mandate hiring. It asks you to interview a single minority candidate. INTERVIEW. And the cream doesn’t always rise to the top if that cream has dark skin color, and that is absolutely true even today.
We are how far removed from the FIRST black head coach? Not that far. And it has only been 50 years since the Redskins banned blacks from PLAYING for them.
Anyway I’m done with this conversation because I really don’t want to get further into politics on a sports blog.
Sorry you feel that way...
and it was not typed to agitate you.
Equality yes – reparations no.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 13, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Understood, I do not think you were trying to agitate me
Just stating your opinion as I was mine. I have no ill will from this conversation towards any of you, nor do I think any was intended towards me.
Hold up, I just got back.
So you think because somebody is of different color has more right to coach a team than one who has more experience and qualifications? I’m just checking.
I don’t care if our next coach is green, purple, or blue. I want the best possible coach we can get. I’m not looking at color, I’m looking at the resume. That is why the Rooney rule is stupid, it’s not fair to Mr Gray or even Raheem Morris (Denver last year). I’m sure Mr Gray will get his chance, and I hope he does, just not here or now.
Where the heck is Keyser?
No that isn't what I think at all
I think it is fair to combat structural racism with a single job interview of a minority. I think it is the most innocuous way to level the playing field, which is NOT level no matter how much some claim it is. Not even close to level. That’s what I think.
It's not a level playing field.
There’s just not enough minority coaches to make an impact.
Where the heck is Keyser?
right now they want the coaching equivilent of a security blanket
someone who looks and talks and acts like a Head Coach so they can feel good for the first year even when the team is 3-12-1 (I figure on a tie with Washington for some godforsaken reason).
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
This next coaching hire will decide if I trust our ownership from this point on.
And if we strikeout (again) in free agency.
Just hire Marty and get it over with.
Let him be Dungy 2.0, rebuild the franchise, then fire his ass in three or four years and bring in the new offensive whiz kid,‘cause Marty can’t make it to the big one, does this sound a little too familiar?
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 7:04 PM EST reply actions
he'll probably retire in 3 or 4 years
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Which would probably be the plan.
And if that was to happen, I’m sure the next coach would already be on the staff. Marty has a pretty impressive list of coaches that have worked under him.
Where the heck is Keyser?
Not saying they interviewed, but...
Who’s to say they haven’t called or talked to “up and coming” coaches or college head coaches and been turned down for the interview. Kelly probably wants to stay put for the money they’re paying him, so they may have asked for an interview and been declined. The interest was there, the call was made, but no interview. That’s part of “exhaustive” searches. Doesn’t mean we hear about everyone they’ve called, or about anyone that’s declined an interview for the job. We may not be the most appealing place to coach at this point. The team was horrible, the players pretty much gave up, the defense was horrible statistically, the offense wasn’t much better. Some potential coaches may not see the “potential” in Tampa’s players that some fans think is there. Some may even think there’s a severe lack of talent here and that it’d take several years to field a team that is even competitive and know they’d be fired before the “dream” is ever realized… hmmmm, makes ya think…..
It's a fair point
But that would mean that every single college head coach and up-and-coming coordinator (outside of Gray) has turned them down, and that no agent has leaked any information to up his client’s status. Seems a little unlikely.
No, that would mean....
that every college and “up and comer” that they were interested in interviewing said no. Or they said “not for a couple weeks”. There are hundreds of college coaches they should have NO interest in, actually only a few they should. There are a few “up and comers” in the pros, but some are in the playoffs still and may want to wait, others may want to stay put (Jay Gruden is an example)…. there are many reasons why we may not have interviewed certain prospects yet. How many interviews for a pro team has Chip Kelly done so far? How about Chud? How many interviews has he completed so far? I know he’s been asked to interview, but how many has he already done? How many have we heard about? How many offers to interview has he had and hasn’t interviewed yet?
Thing is, we don’t know. We’re not in the coaches head, or in their offices. We’re not in the Bucs heads or their offices. We don’t know. If the process runs through, and certain prospects were never interviewed we’ll still never know if they got a call or not. If it’s said they didn’t, it’s pure speculation. Let’s base our facts on rumors. I think not. We haven’t finished the process, we haven’t seen all the facts yet. And we probably never will. We can criticize what we don’t know, but we may be completely off base doing so. And I’m sure the Glazers don’t care if we are.
by Bruce McRae on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
TODD HALEY AS OC
Did anyone else see Chris Mortensen on ESPN2? saying that if Marty Schottenheimer got the head coaching job, Haley Could be the offensive Coordinator!! I Trust Chris Mortensen A lot, it appeared on that NFL32 show that espn is running!
I would love that
by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Jan 12, 2012 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As far as current coordinators go, keep in mind there are still 8 active playoff teams.
There may be some people on those teams they want to talk to, but will need to wait for the current team to be eliminated.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jan 12, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions
Could have....
And any coach on a playoff team can tell the Bucs “not until we’re done in the playoffs”. Some will miss out on opportunities with other teams because of that, but they can focus on the “task at hand”. Just because they’re asked doesn’t actually mean they said “yes” or that they agreed to “right now”.
by Bruce McRae on Jan 12, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and usually (not always, usually) that interest leaks
We’ve heard rumblings of an interest in Mike Zimmer (who isn’t even in the playoffs anymore), and that’s it. Nothing else.
The reason that stuff leaks is that even if coaches say “no” or “maybe later” agents get that out there, as it helps their clients’ reputation.
Teams may also wait to grant permission due to the timing of playoffs.
If this truly is an exhaustive search they may be progressing in an order. Previous head coaches and non-playoff team co-ordinators (no other commitments) first, playoff team coordinators and college coaches second.
I’m happy for the team to take it’s time so long as there is a head coach in place with a couple weeks to go before Free Agency opens.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Jan 12, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
What happened to that 'thorough, wide search' the Tampa Bay Buccaneers promised?
It was just more of the same lip-service BS the Glazer Boys & their Yes-man Dominik always feed us.
=’(
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
You haven't heard of every person they've interviewed or tried.
Be patient.
Where the heck is Keyser?
Dream Scenario...
Glazers Bring in Marty; I trust his judgment/football knowledge so I dont really care who he brings in as coordinators. A full training camp for Blount; many people forget that Blount still hasnt had a training camp as a Buc (that may actually help him). Draft Justin Blackmon in the 1st round; weapon for Freeman that is a fast playmaker who can actually catch he football. 2nd round draft Chase Minniefield; solid corner out of Virginia who good size at 6’ tall, NFL genes, can play both man and zone coverage. 3rd round draft HB LaMichael James; Another weapon for Freeman who’s fast and versitile running back who has speed to burn. 5th round draft S Arron Henry (Hard Hitter out of the Big 10, good at defending the run as well as can make plays in pass defense . Rounds 6 & 7 add depth. And finally, SPEND some $$$ in Free Agency.
If Chase Minniefield is guaranteed to fall to the 2nd, I don't mind taking Blackson
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
I like it almost as much as my Mock of....
1st round – WR Justin Blackmon: Oklahoma State
2nd round – CB Janoris Jenkins: Florida/North Alabama (he was the 2nd rated CB behind Patrick Peterson if he came out last year and a supposed top 10 overall pick)
3rd round – LB Nigel Bradham: Florida State or RB LaMicheal: James Oregon whichever is still there but if both take the LB since imo that need is worse.
GO NOLES!!! SCALP EM!
I likey....
Ima FSU fan so I would love to have Bradham (didnt know he was coming out). I also like Jenkins; he’s a baller. I’d be estatic if the draft played out like that.
I wouldn't mind zimmer.
I think Marty is the best bet as far as putting us in the right direction though. Also, I hate Joel’s face.
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