Which Head Coach do you want the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to sign?
by Sander on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 AM EST
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We've seen a lot of names come by since Raheem Morris was fired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Most of those names are similar: "retreads". Coaches who have experience, but haven't won it all. Coaches who have shown they can win, but who also have some clear flaws. There doesn't appear to be a perfect candidate among the current crop of interviewed coaches.
So, I ask you: which coach would you prefer? There's some healthy momentum for Marty Schottenheimer, the 68-year old who has won a lot of regular season games but hasn't won in the playoffs. There's Mike Sherman, the guy who won three division titles but was fired by Texas A&M and didn't do much in the playoffs, either. Brad Childress and Wade Phillips have gotten looks, too. And there's Jerry Gray, a Rooney Rule candidate or a valid choice as a head coach?
So, who do you want to see as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' next coach?
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My vote
Shotty #1
Sherman #2
Billick #3
No way on rest or I find a new team to root for. If they hire Shotty I would like them to hire an aggressive OC that runs a spread or fast tempo style. Freeman seems to do better in that type of tempo (hence, his only scoring in last drive of half or game). Why not play to his strength? I never got why Raheem or Olson never did that?
by gmaz1 on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I can't help but notice there was no someone else button.
I’d have no problem with Shotty paired with an aggressive OC like this.
by ericshysterics on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
The fans have spoken! If they hire Childress, zero will be the number they will see in the stands.
Seeing results of survey on Iphone
Having trouble getting to results on my iPhone. I click the link and it does nothing? Suggestions anyone?
by gmaz1 on Jan 12, 2012 11:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Same problem here...
If you click on the link to go to the full-version of the site you can see results.
But for some reason it doesn’t work on the mobile version.
Getting back from full version
now I got the full version on my phone and can’t find where on the site I can switch back to original version!! Any clues?!!
On the android app the poll doesn't show up at all.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Jan 12, 2012 1:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
1.Chudzinski 2.Chip Kelly 3.Marty
by flash_kiley on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM EST via Android app reply actions
It really is telling who they HAVEN'T pursued yet
Kelly, Chud, Zimmer…
Pretty much anyone who is a potential up-and-comer.
That doesn’t sound like they’re keeping their options open.
That was like a week ago
…seems like something would have been scheduled by now, right?
Marty
will bring in better qualified coordinators. He is very well respected and you know if your a coordinator under him you will have a job as a head coach potentially
First one to vote for Childress...
gets flogged! ;)
Think about it seriously
Marty is the best coach we can get without reaching and overpaying for an “up and coming” coach that may or may not succeed. Why not go with a guy who has won almost as many games as this ENTIRE FRANCHISE!
Why worry about that?
I’m worried about turning the team around and building a solid, well coached core. Most coaches don’t stick around that long anyway.
It is a long term solution
He will bring in a coordinator that will take over after he leaves. It will give this franchise continuity which it has never had. This is not a very attractive job at the moment. Schotty will make this a more attractive job for the future “up in coming” coaches. There is a reason they are not interviewing them. They want experience and they want to regain a franchise identity. This is the best start.
I think I would rather have someone who has a long term plan than just a quick band aid.
We have a whole roster of young players who would benefit from a guy who could stick around longer than 2-3 years.
That's why it would be easier for Marty to hire young, fiery coordinators.
They know they would get their shot soon.
by flash_kiley on Jan 12, 2012 11:40 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If the offense or defense performs well and we start winning, I would think that the head coach would stick around longer.
Which is another reason why a good coordinator would skip the Tampa job. “Head coach in waiting” sometimes works in college and rarely in the pros.
Marty is the guy!
I agree with what is said here I think it’s time to stop the bull, and bring in Marty to strighten this out!
This is not a band aide
Its more like physical therapy. Setting a mindset for this team. They want to go the Steelers Baltimore route to making a team. They want the bucs to associated with the words discipline and smart. When Dungy came in here he established a mindset that carried on LONG after he left the organization. This is what this team needs.
But Dungy wasn't hired as a quick fix. He was hired as a long term guy. Same with Gruden.
Honest question: Has there ever been a successful hire of a “has-been” coach to come in and change the philosophy of a team?
If we’re going to gamble on our team’s future, why not do it with someone that is a promising coordinator? Don’t let the Raheem situation scare us away from going that route.
And look how long they lasted.
There is no such things as “long term” in the nfl. You can count on one hand how many coaches that have coached for more than 10 years in this current NFL. If we get a great coach for 5 years and make a natural transition to an up and coming coach that has already been in the organization is the best direction for the future.Its about establishing a franchise identity. This is asking alot from an up and coming coach, when most of the guys who could pull that off dont want to be here.
But a long term coach is what every franchise aims for.
They want a guy who can build a successful team over a course of 7-10 years. Nobody wants a few years of winning, followed by a down period, then a firing period, then a rebuild. Look at the Saints. They hired a coordinator (basically) who became a great coach for them.
68 year old transition coaches are just delaying the inevitable.
Or training the next
I see it as Marty teaching teachers. He shows a good young coordinator how to coach in the NFL. Then they step in with principles and confidence right away. No learning period. Look who Sean Payton learned from Bill Parcels. He learned what it takes to win from one of the best.
This is not a band aide
Its more like physical therapy. Setting a mindset for this team. They want to go the Steelers Baltimore route to making a team. They want the bucs to associated with the words discipline and smart. When Dungy came in here he established a mindset that carried on LONG after he left the organization. This is what this team needs.
I'm all for going green..
But why this list of recycled coaches? Yes they’ve all had some level of success, but clearly it didnt work for them with their franchise. I’m all for bringing in Shottenheimer assay a team consultant-but at 68 how can he really be a valid long term fix? Nothing against the older generation, but has it worked before? Ask Joe Gibbs when he tried it… I think we target Shottenheimer from the angle as as a VP or something along that line-for bringing us back in the right direction to establish respect for our franchise again-then grab the best available up and comers. I’ve been big on Pete Carmichael Jr.,He’s on everyone’s radar now and Peyton is letting him call the plays. Maybe even take a look at bringing in Kirby Smart for DC. or someone along those lines.
Also
The only two coaches in the nfl that have coached for 10 or more years right now is Andy Reid(who was almost fired this year) and Bill Belichick. The next two on this list are Lovie Smith (2004) and Marvin Lewis (2003). Its a WIN NOW league.Lets get a guy who can WIN NOW!
Comparing Marty to Gibbs....NO
Gibbs coached in an entirely different era. There have been a few changes but it was only 2006 when he last coached not 1992 when Gibbs stopped. Plus Marty hasnt taken a break from coaching even though it wasnt at the NFL level. His mind has still been in coaching. And most of all Marty WANTS TO BE HERE! How many coaches are jumping up and down at this job. We get a hall of fame coach that set the tempo for the entire franchise and we act like thats not moving in the right direction. This is exactly why most great coaches don’t want to be here: Poor fan base and cheap owners.
I get what you're saying...
But a lot has changed in even 5 years that he’s been gone. He wants here-b/c he wants anywhere. No one else is trying to interview him. The comparison is there. He’s an old guy that wants to get back in, which I respect and I’m not arguing his ability to win…but I don’t see him as being the fix of the franchise. He in fact did take a 5 year break from coaching-only to come back for the 2011 UFL season-which yes they won the championship,but it’s not the NFL. Their record was 3-1 on the season. You can’t gauge coaching after only 4 games.. I mean Raheem went 4-2. His resume is impressive,but he lacked the big game winning. I think he need to target big name help, not big name coaching. Give him power-but power of personnel not power of coaching. Look at the lthe list of the teams in the playoffs. With the exception of Belichick, Coughlin, and Fox… They were all new prospect coaches who were hired in the past few years. The teams who are winning didn’t recycle to get there.
True
(Actually the Redskins BEGGED Gibbs to come back. It was pretty pathetic lol.) The fact he hasnt won it yet is one reason why I want him. He will be hungry to prove doubters wrong. When the Bucs went 10-6. That was their mentality, proving doubters wrong. Plus the losses that he had in big games were not due to coaching but pretty much bad luck.
Any one who votes Chilly
Should the Buc outta here. Marty for me.
If you aint youngry, get the Buc outta here cos i am a Freeman.
Ok with Marty, but...
I like Zimmer better, and I’m still stumping for Mark Trestman to at least get an interview!
Indeed.
Only Marty can bring in a high caliber DC or OC. None of the other candidates can do that. In my opinion.
Possible coaching staff
HC-Shotty
OC- Martz or Childress
DC- Zimmer or Spags
by bucs86forever on Jan 12, 2012 1:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree
Zimmer is worth a head coaching position n he should b considered in Tampa
by bucs86forever on Jan 12, 2012 4:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Why would he make a parallel move?
He’s already a DC. Unless he doesn’t like Cincy (possible) and wants to go somewhere with a better chance to move up to HC.
But it’s not like Marvin Lewis has a stranglehold on the job. He could be fired most every year…
Bill Cower
Let’s get someone who wins and will make them a contender year after year. We need to get a defense that will keep us in every game. I want us to win championships and contend every year.
by leftcoastbucfan on Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM EST reply actions
He doesnt want to coach.
And since he doesnt why dont we hire the guy that taught him. Sounds like a pretty decent backup plan. Marty FTW!
Lol.
Nice! Don’t get me wrong before Marty was on the radar I was kicking and screaming for them to get Chip. But that doesn’t look realistic at this point.
I, for one, am glad they are taking their time...
and evaluating and interviewing thoroughly. We all know what happens when you hire the wrong guy, so let’s get this one right.
I agree but wish they would somewhat keep us informed.
If they are not impressed with a guy then say it so I can stop scraching my head.
Don't want him
Rather have Blackmon or T. Rich.
Claibourne is a weak tackler.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 12, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
So was Deon Sanders, that didn't stop him from being the best corner of all time.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
But
Deion had skills that were out of this world. In this NFL you have to be able to tackle or you are a liability. This season for the bucs pretty much proved that. Give me a corner that can tackle and cover in the top five. Im with t rich all the way.
There is a great class off CBs coming out this draft.
Some great prospects that will fall in the second or third too.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
Why get 3 rookie CBs?
We start 3 rookie CBs and no playmakers on offense
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
WE NEED A PLAYMAKER
CB’s don’t score TD’s!
We need some OFFENSE and some TALENT around Freeman,
Dom just isnt getting it done. He is turrible.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 12, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hey look, there's something called FA
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
... and a Partridge in a Pear Tree
We need Cortland Finnegan, and then another rookie CB. Talib may already be getting conjugal visits by then, so we can’t depend on him.
Don’t drop the ball on this Dom. Ugh.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
My point is
If you are a top five pick you have to be great at both
by gusjackson on Jan 12, 2012 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wrong
The Bucs are already loaded with guys who cant tackle. With such a poor run defense, good tacklers are essential for this team.
Good point...
and Kirkpatrick is a willing tackler, but not where Claiborne is as a cover man.
What to do… what to do?
by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
i agreed on his tackling skills...
and i did say that i wouldnt mind claiborne over richardson… but i still think we wont get him and he will be gone
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
Asante Samuel has been a premier corner in "this" NFL even though he is allergic to tackling.
And Claiborne is a much more willing tackler than Samuel.
Oderint dum metuant
by jBen05 on Jan 12, 2012 1:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Huh?
First off, where is the proof of “weak tackling”. Second, let’s say he is a weak tackler. What does he do well? He covers extremely well, has great instincts, great height for a CB, good leaping ability, above average speed, great ball skills, and also excels in zone coverage. I think that is enough for me …
by flash_kiley on Jan 12, 2012 1:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Im thinking the Bucs will trade down and still get Richardson
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
Get him
Claiborne is cover corner that we need desperately n I say let’s get him n began reshaping our defense!!
by bucs86forever on Jan 12, 2012 1:44 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I'd take the coach that would bring back the Tampa-2, bring in an OC that can work with Freeman and the WRs, oh and delivers a free Lexus to every Bucs fan...
…what?
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
Make mine an Audi S6 please... keep your Lexus
by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Infiniti G35 Coupe please
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I thought we were doing imports lol
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Some wins will do it for me
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 12, 2012 2:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
only if its a '70 442
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ah..."The Judge"
make mine with the Hurst shifter package.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
'70 Buick GSX 455 Stage 1, the hemi killer
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I had a 69 pontiac, built 455 4spd, would do the same thing
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Or if you want to look really evil and scare children...Cougar
F Slow
F Cason
F Draysbay
#FreeOTTOTD @ OTTOTD.com
nice car but my '70 XR7 convertible was nicer, 351C 4spd. car
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Marty Schottenheimer Is The Coach To Get! Please Hire Marty!
If Marty Schottenheimer gets the job I become an immediate Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan. Why Marty is not a GM/coach in the NFL is a mystery. The man is a great coach, teacher, developer of talent and makes losers into winners. Give me Marty ball anytime. I have been waiting since 2007 for an owner in the NFL to see the value in Marty Schottenheimer.
I love when the fans dump on Marty Schottenheimer. Can someone tell me when was the last time KC was in AFC title game? Oh yeah that was Marty Schottenheimer. All these franchises have gotten rid of Marty because he couldn’t get them over the hump they claimed. He lost in the playoffs. Well who has gotten these franchises over the hump since Marty was fired? The answer is NO ONE. Did two time Super Bowl coach Dick Vermeil one win, one lose in Super Bowls get KC there? Did he get KC to the AFC title game? Marty got KC to 10 playoff games in 9 years. KC has been to 3 in the last 11 years since firing Marty and lost all 3. So I guess those coaches including Vermeil could not win in the playoffs at KC either. Vermiel got them to one playoff game in 4 years.
Maybe someone can tell me when the last time Cleveland was in an AFC championship game was that Belichick who got them there? Oh yeah it was Marty ball that got them there last. Marty had Cleveland in 6 payoffs games and two AFC Championship games in 4 years. His record was 44 – 27. Belicheck was 36 – 44 in fours years at Cleveland. The Browns have been to 5 playoff games since letting Marty go 22 years ago. One less than Marty had them in.
How has Washington done since dumping Marty after one season? Did Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn get them over the hump? Did Shanahan get them over the hump yet? How has SD done with the team Marty built after that genius Spanos backed the other genius Smith and dumped Marty after a 14 – 2 season? After Marty took a big losing football organization and turned them into a winner. Looks like the team has gone downhill with each preceding year since Norv Turner was handed Marty’s team. Even in a woeful West division and the cupcake schedules SD has had the last two seasons.
Yeah people love to bash Marty but Marty’s legacy is he made winners out of complete losers. Clevleand, KC and SD where floundering when Marty took over. Washington was no better than mediocre when Marty stepped in and after one season had them moving in the right direction.
Yes he lost in the playoffs more than he won but he got his teams there and to date none of his replacements at these franchises have done better even after they came into a winning situation built by Marty and this includes Super Bowl coaches who evenutally coached at these franchises. With a break or two Marty would’ve been to two or three Super Bowls but tell me who has taken these franchises to Super Bowls since Marty ball was dumped? The answer is NO ONE. Maybe it’s the franchises and Marty is better than people give him credit for. Maybe he does more with less.
Please Tampa Bay hire Marty!
by iosonospartacus on Jan 12, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Gleamin'
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
well said Sparticus
great stats…i am totally on this Marty train. A proven winner vs a “we think this guy could do a good job”. Sorry, the latter does not work. We need a winner with good leadership that can turn this franchise around quickly. We know we likely wont get more than 5 years out of Marty. I’m oK with that. He does such a great job developing talent that with a good transition plan from Day 1…his successor will do great. What is the average length of time of a head coach in the NFL with one team? Anyone know? I’d be willing to bet its under 5 years. Give me some Marty Ball…PLEASE
wow
The most reasonable post I have seen about this. HIRE THE MAN!
by gusjackson on Jan 12, 2012 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wade!
I say hire Phillips as HC and Childress as OC.
by RaauL on Jan 12, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
My Staff
Head Coach : Mike Zimmer
O-Coord : Hue Jackson
D-coord : Steve Spagnuolo
by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 12, 2012 3:06 PM EST reply actions
I like that idea...
Also, I would be down with
Head Coach: Marty Shottenhiemer
O-Coord: Hue Jackson
D-Coord: Nolan/ Wade Phillips (in hopes he takes over in a couple years when Shotty retires)
Love Spagnuolo, just dunno if he would come here.
Wade Phillips is not going to make a lateral move
He doesn’t want to leave Houston for anything but a head coaching job, and the Texans aren’t obligated to let him go even if he wanted to leave. It’s not happening.
Wade Phillips may be waiting around for Gary Kubiak to get canned...
as he is a Texas Boy and a Houston native. Dream Job.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I love how people keep thinking Wade would be our DC
Leave a 2nd round playoff team, without your best player IN YOUR HOMETOWN for a young, confused/lost team with historically cheap owners. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
Formerly UNFNole
My whole issue is what is the main problem on defense?
Tackling. Hands down. Its not like we are getting torched deep on defense all the time. They either run it down our throats or a short pass turns into a big gain because of missed tackling. I just dont see how our defense is going to improve drastically because we draft him. Now if it was a safety or linebacker i understand. But i strongly fear that him developing into a great player may take quite some time… (that we dont have). If we draft him and nothing but other rookies to come in and start our defense will still stink. But i have a feeling our next coach wont be playing that stuff with this all rookie defense. I dont think we will get Claiborne.. we will get richardson and get good CB prospects in the 2nd round and or a linebacker in the 3rd. And we will be very aggressive in FA.
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
Makes the most sense
This is all im saying. Tackling and youth are the major issues not coverage. I would rather but weapons around freeman and go from there. Trent Richardsons ability to block in the backfield will help Freeman grow and develop into the qb we all want him to be,
by gusjackson on Jan 12, 2012 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are we even linked at all to Chud coming in?
I haven’t heard anything
by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Jan 12, 2012 3:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
80's horror movie reference, probably some on here weren't even born yet!
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
You REALLY want to feel old?
Ask a 14 year old what kind of music he listens to.
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Grandpa Shotty
I’m sort of weary about his kid coming in as O.C. but how can you critique his recent body of work with Mark Sanchez as his QB. Marty will bring peace and restore in TB. Hopefully he can be the guy to tell K2 to quit whining and get his Shannon Sharpe on.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 12, 2012 4:14 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Testify...
Amen to that. Just look at what Schotty Jr. has done for Mark Sanchez.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I must have missed the news about interviewing Chudzinski
I don’t remember him being on the list of interviewers, when did he or when is he gonna have an interview?
I choose
Marty after hearing an interview from an ex player on what the buc. I was convinced that he may the right guy. He can lay down the law and at the same time be gentle and connect with his players. I was a little curious if the Bucs went with an all out disciplinarian it could ter the locker room apart big time. Because not everyone like to be yell at. Plus, sometime yelling make a person worse. According to his ex player it seem he has that perfect balance.
My second wish is Wade Phillip. I think we do have the pieces to at least startup the phillips 3-4 if that change occurred. Wade had overrated Romo which lead to his firing. Good in the regular season… suck in the post season. More of it is on Romo.
Do we have to pay Schotty his contract when he keels over on the job?
F Slow
F Cason
F Draysbay
#FreeOTTOTD @ OTTOTD.com
I chose other for Brian Billick.
He’s an awesome coach who people say wants to get back into it. Why not in Tampa where we can hand pick his entire staff?
2. Marty- an awesome #2 but I have to wonder if he’ll still be dedicated to coaching.
Smoke 'em Blount!
Billick is trying to get the Falcons OC job
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 12, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thats the rumor.
But they also say he really wants a head coaching job but will settle for a coordinator role.
Smoke 'em Blount!
by chuckyforpres on Jan 12, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
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