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Marty Schottenheimer: Buccaneers head coaching candidate

Marty Schottenheimer interviewed for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers today, which gives us an excuse to look at his history and why he could fit with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Marty Schottenheimer is extremely experienced as a head coach, gathering a 200-126-1 record in 22 seasons of coaching, although that astounding number of regular season wins is accompanied by a lackluster playoff record of 5-13 with no Super Bowl appearances, it's hard to argue that the Bucs would be worse off with the kind of success Marty Schottenheimer has brought in his other jobs.

Of course, Schottenheimer has had four previous stints as a head coach and this would not be his first rodeo. The question every Bucs fan will be asking himself if Schottenheimer is hired is: can Marty Schottenheimer win in the playoffs? He hasn't won consistently when prizes were at stake - except in the UFL - and with all his experience, he has never been on a staff that has won a championship as a coach. Is Marty Schottenheimer a coach who can take the Bucs to a championship? That's the question that must be answered.

Previous Experience

Linebacker, Buffalo Bills (AFL), 1965-1968
Linebacker, Boston Patriots (AFL/NFL), 1969-1970
Linebackers coach, Portland Storm (WFL), 1974
Linebackers coach, New York Giants, 1975-1976
Defensive Coordinator, New York Giants, 1977
Linebackers coach, Detroit Lions, 1978-1979
Defensive Coordinator, Cleveland Browns, 1980-1984
Head Coach, Cleveland Browns, 1984-1988
Head Coach, Kansas City Chiefs, 1989-1998
Head Coach, Washington Redskins, 2001
Head Coach, San Diego Chargers, 2002-2006
Head Coach, Virginia Destroyers (UFL), 2011

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Why Marty Schottenheimer should be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Head Coach:

  1. Experience, experience, experience - and discipline
    Marty Schottenheimer has a lot of it, and the Bucs seem to put a premium on it after just firing one of the least experienced head coaches of all time. No other candidate has as much experience as Schottenheimer. 22 seasons as a head coach, that's tough to beat. It's not exactly futile experience, either. In those 22 seasons he only had two losing seasons, and he went out on top with a 14-2 season before being fired by Dean Spanos - ostensibly because he couldn't win a playoff game.

    But Marty Schottenheimer has consistently produced disciplined football teams that played hard and solid football. The kind of football the Bucs haven't been able to play in ages.
  2. Should be able to assemble a very strong coaching staff
    This is a list of the (former) head coaches who have spent time on Marty Schottenheimer's coaching staff: Bill Cowher, Gunther Cunningham, Tony Dungy, Lindy Infante, mike McCarthy, Herman Edwards, Cam Cameron, Wade Phillips, Tony Sparano, Hue Jackson, . He's been in the NFL for a very long time, has consistently put together quality coaching staffs, and has plenty of connections. If the Bucs hire Marty Schottenheimer, they will also have a quality coaching staff. And that's as important as the head coach.
  3. Has had success turning around franchises
    If the Bucs want someone who can turn around a poor NFL team quickly and effectively, Marty Schottenheimer has done it before. Before he got to the Cleveland Browns in 1984, that team had been to the playoffs just twice in the previous 10 years. Schottenheimer took the Browns to four playoff berths and two AFC championships in five seasons. The Kansas City Chiefs had just one playoff berth in the ten years before Schottenheimer coached the team. With Schottenheimer, the Chiefs made it to the playoffs in seven of ten seasons. When Schottenheimer took over the San Diego Chargers, they had been to the playoffs once in ten years. He got them to the playoffs twice in five years. If you want an experienced head coach who has turned around franchises, Marty Schottenheimer is the coach you want.
Why Marty Schottenheimer should not be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Head Coach:
  1. Old, old, old
    Marty Schottenheimer is old. For a head coach, he's very old. At 68, most coaches are retired, not looking for a new head coaching job. How will an old head coach like Schottenheimer work with the extremely young roster he will find in Tampa Bay? Can he connect with the players and get them to play? Does he still have the energy to be a head coach in the NFL? And if he does - how long will it last? Marv Levy did go to four Super Bowls from age 69 to age 72, but that's not exactly a frequent occurrence.
  2. Can he win in the playoffs?
    This is the question that will go through everyone's mind if the Bucs reach the playoffs with Marty Schottenheimer as the head coach, because Schottenheimer has not won much in the playoffs. He's reached three AFC Championship games in 22 years - and that's as far as he ever got. Of course, that playoff record includes some very close and unlucky losses. Only four of his thirteen playoff losses were by more than one score. Was he just a little unlucky, or is this a structural problem for Schottenheimer?
  3. Can he adjust to the new NFL?
    The NFL has become a passing league, and that becomes more clear every week as quarterback after quarterback sets new record. In comes Marty Schottenheimer and his conservative Marty Ball. Sitting on leads, running the football, being conservative in the passing game, leaning on defense: that's Marty Ball as he's practiced it in the past. It leads to relatively low-scoring, tight games. Can he win with that formula in the NFL, will he adjust his formula to the new NFL? That's a question the Bucs must answer before they can think about hiring him.
PS: For those who want some video footage of how Marty Schottenheimer works, check out NFL Film's look at him in their Top Ten Motivational Coaches feature.

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If we're settling on a dinosaur, I'd prefer him over Sherman.

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 10, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Honestly

I’m a bit surprised he hasn’t had a head coaching job since 2006. Dozens of more useless coaches have collected paychecks over that time period.

By far the best candidate we’ve interviewed / is available, assuming Fisher to STL is all but official.

by J_B on Jan 10, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

In terms of the lack of playoff success Schottenheimer has tagged to him.

In the 2006-2007 playoffs, his team would have beaten the Patriots and advance to the AFC Championship game if it wasn’t for Marlon McCree’s boneheaded play after he got an interception for the Chargers. All McCree had to do was just down the ball and it would have iced the game. Instead he decided to the run with it and got stripped from him and Patriots recovered, resulting in a game winning field goal. No way that was Marty’s fault.

by gocoldturkey on Jan 10, 2012 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

I think his lack of playoff success is overblown, too

And he’s definitely had some bad luck that he really can’t do much of anything about. But 22 years without a Super Bowl berth is a long, long time.

by Sander on Jan 10, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a really long time

But Jim Caldwell has a Super Bowl berth and he’s a horrid coach. His playoff failures mean nothing until we actually make the playoffs, so let’s consistently make that step and not get ahead of ourselves.

by J_B on Jan 10, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

3 years and 17 wins is a long, long time.

Gotta crawl before you walk, and walk before you run.

We need to learn how to get these youngsters crawling towards the top of the NFC South.

by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Jan 10, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes him hungrier

Wouldn’t it do the same to you? Coach your whole life, you want to take that ring to your grave!

by gmaz1 on Jan 10, 2012 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I've settled firmly on Schottenheimer as my first choice

For all of the reasons cited in this article. Two other points stand out for me: 1) because of his age and his vast connections, there’s a likelihood he could find great coordinators and then groom one to be his replacement when he retires (perhaps Hue Jackson, as some have suggested), and 2) his past inability to get to the big dance actually stands out a positive to me. Partially because right now our focus needs to be on getting competitive enough to be able to think about the playoffs, and focusing on winning playoffs is setting the cart before the horse. But more importantly because, as has been discussed before, veteran coaches given another shot who haven’t had playoff success tend to be more successful than those who have already had playoff success. They’re hungrier and they tend to make the most of the chance they’re given. The Bucs could be Marty’s shot at playoff redemption, just as much as he could be our shot to revitalize this team.

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 10, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

well put

think i may be leaning his way also. Like the point of grooming next HC.We have to realize how long the process takes to turn a program around

by 37champs on Jan 10, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree too.

Hiring marty would be an excellent choice. I wish he were younger though. However, he would bring valuable exoerience and a winning atmosphere that is much needed. Bring him in NOW!!!!!

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Jan 11, 2012 5:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm riding the marty train hard

I think we should hire this guy right now is the best coach available.

by Carlitin1988 on Jan 10, 2012 5:25 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

im still on

The Billick bus hopefully we r talking to him secretly and will bring him in for a interview….if not ill jump on the schotty train y not….maybe he could lure in spagnoulo as dc just sayin

by blountforce72 on Jan 10, 2012 5:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

verry funny....the gleam men...the gleam

I accually loved that speech, didnt really get it but kinda fired me up

by 37champs on Jan 10, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think his misfortune in the playoffs is totally

On him. If I remember correctly, a few of those loses were attributed to player gaffs as well.

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Jan 11, 2012 6:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm on the train also!!

A proven winner. Granted playoff record isn’t the best.. But statistically, how many coaches actually win a super bien integer career? This guy can so it. You don’t have a winning record like that unless you are a good coach. Make an offer Glazers!!

by gmaz1 on Jan 10, 2012 6:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Best mini rant I have ever seen about Marty coming to Buccaneers. So True

I say if Marty wants it, bring him in! Same with Sherman. These guys could both wear rubber pants, forget where they parked their car, and listen to Lawrence Welk but still be great coaches. I don’t care if they have to remove their teeth to give a pre-game speech. I don’t care use an electric typewriter to make up their roster (Gruden did his playsheet in freehand in 2008). I don’t even care if Grecian Formula stains their shirtbacks on a hot day. Dick Vermeil…successful at 69…Tom Landry and Bill Parcells…successful at 65. George Allen…good at 66. Two coaches went on to 72. Marty: 68 now. Whether he’s got a couple years or more, he’s got connections and knowledge. People ask “Why would he want to coach the Bucs?” Why not? Then they say, "Well, not gonna happen because he’d want total control? Wrong. I ask…would you? Just like guys that go into media after playing and coaching. They want to have fun. Back to Dick Vermeil…SB winner old man Dick….couldn’t stay away. Turn in 10-6 and a wild card the first year, and the Depends are on me!

by gusjackson on Jan 10, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

Fun
Per ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, Marty Schottenheimer interviewed with the Bucs today and both sides came away impressed with the other.

"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Jan 10, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

Have a feeling they weren't impressed with Chilly either

"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Jan 10, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Dom was probably impressed he could get around without a walker.

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 10, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

MARTY MAYBE

Why are we not in the hunt for Fisher? Not saying he’s the greatest on earth, but he’s better than most. We want a coach to built a winner and stay, not just a year or two which Marty could only give us. No to Wade and heck no to Childress! Now is the time to pony up and get a winner.

WHAT WE DO IN LIFE...ECHOES IN ETERNITY JOHN 3:16

by RAZERZEDGE on Jan 10, 2012 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

Fisher doesn't like the fact the Glazers won't open up the checkbook in FA supposedly so he ruled us out almost instantly.

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 10, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The report that Fisher wasn't interesting in Tampa came out first right?

Not like Fisher’s resume is overly impressive, but that just doesn’t ring true if they are interviewing Brad Childress for a head coaching position. I think it was more of a “well, we don’t like you either” kinda thing

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 11, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

*Fisher wasn't interested in Tampa

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 11, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I never saw a report that he wasn't interested in the Bucs

I did see reports that said the exact opposite. There was a report that he’d choose between the Rams and Dolphins, not sure about the timing of that report though.

by Sander on Jan 11, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Well Stroud must be a liar then

because according to this (which you wrote) http://www.bucsnation.com/2012/1/3/2679896/jeff-fisher-at-the-top-of-tampa-bay-buccaneers-wish-list-says-rick

it says that Fisher was at the top of Dominik’s list and they were trying to set up an interview with him. Then all of a sudden reports starting coming out that it was only between Miami and St. Louis. Either Dominik has no say in who the next coach is, Stroud is making stuff up, or Fisher told them thanks but no thanks. I think the third is the most likely scenario.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 11, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Fisher would likely be at the top...

of our list, along with everybody elses. I think our current GM is a hindrance in this process, as it automatically makes the prospective HC wonder about a potential power struggle over talent acquisition (see Gruden/Bruce Allen).

STL has no GM currently, and therefore is more attractive (in that way only).

by Cracker Ball on Jan 11, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm open to it only if...

Marty doesn’t bring his underachieving son with him. Instead how about Hue Jackson as OC (Since he got fired as of today in Oakland) And give Spagnuolo a call for DC before he gets locked down. I think that’ll please the fan base.

by InfamousHp on Jan 10, 2012 6:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I liked Schottenheimer when he was in San Diego a lot.

Being a So Cal guy, they were always the team from the AFC I pulled for until they pulled the bullcrap on Marty in 2006.

How can you justify firing a guy who went 14-2? Because AJ Smith got a little upset at Marty hiring his own coaches? AJ Smith is the problem in San Diego not being able to get over the hump. It isn’t their Special Teams, Norv Turner or the defensive coordinators, and it definitely wasn’t Marty.

He’ll put together a solid staff. And my hope is that he becomes more of a father-type figure then Rahim, who always came across as the older brother or the cool uncle.
Grown men just don’t seem to be able to fully respect a guy like Rahim. Tomlin just seems more mature and older than Rahim, even though they are really similar.

He is definitely the best candidate listed thus far, in my opinion.

"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen

by IE Angel on Jan 10, 2012 6:52 PM EST reply actions  

Why did we pass up on him for Rah after firing Gruden?

We didn’t want him before, but now we do. It doesn’t make sense. We are reaching for someone who has been out of football for over a half decade. It’s going to be like when Joe Gibbs came back to the Redskins; their glory days have passed.

Oderint dum metuant

by jBen05 on Jan 10, 2012 6:52 PM EST reply actions  

Not quite.

Gibbs came back after 12 years of not coaching. Schotty has been out of the NFL for 5 years, but coached last year for the UFL. Even if you don’t want to count the UFL as anything, there is a drastic difference between 5 years and 12 years.

by J_B on Jan 10, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Exception, not the rule.

Plus, the NFL is much different now with all the rule changes favoring the offense. He is a conservative defensive coach, and with how our defense performs even against the crappy offenses (Jaguars), that won’t fly.

Oderint dum metuant

by jBen05 on Jan 10, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It's kind of common sense though, the only reason Vermeil had success is that he had a potent offense with several hall of famers.

We don’t have that, not even close. Neither did the Redskins. Marty is going to be in over his head.

Oderint dum metuant

by jBen05 on Jan 10, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you can be in over your head when you have that experience

I do agree that whether the game has passed him by is a legitimate concern. That concern could easily go out the window if he hires strong coordinators and delegates well, though.

by Sander on Jan 10, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that.

If we do get him, the key to his success is who he brings along with him.

Oderint dum metuant

by jBen05 on Jan 10, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Hes a proven winner.

Other than his playoff record, the guy has been fantastic. And he could bring along so really good coaches. I think its the best thing for our young team to bring in a guy as experienced and proven as marty.

by gobucyourself on Jan 11, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

More im over his head then morris?

The guy has 200 career wins, let’s not say he can’t coach because the league also changed during his 22 year coaching period

by Carlitin1988 on Jan 10, 2012 7:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I'm not saying because he is old is the reason he can't coach.

He is a conservative defensive coach, and with the style of play in the NFL today, that isn’t going to cut it. The best teams have prolific offenses. We will never have a prolific offense with Marty as our coach. We need an offensive minded coach.

Oderint dum metuant

by jBen05 on Jan 10, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

one word

niners.
not what you would call an offensive powerhouse. you want another ravens. another broncos. still not working for you, steelers. ok ok ok i know not good enough. texans, bengals insert team that plays d first here……………
these teams dont get the espn highlights but they all have one thing in common, they play serious d. make that two things in common cuz they all are run first teams……wait, sorry it’s three things in common, they’re all playoff teams this year.

by big_wile on Jan 10, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The Ravens and Steelers aren't run-first teams

That doesn’t mean you can’t win as a run-first team, but it’s a lot harder to do that, and you need a better defense to compete. There are some teams with extremely weak defenses in the playoffs this year (Saints, Packers, Patriots) that are succeeding because their offenses are overpowering – through the air. It’s the easiest way to victory.

by Sander on Jan 10, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

the ravens and steelers

are run first teams. their entire offenses are built off run plays then play action down the field. the steelers in particular have been doing it for years. and the ravens have zero offense without ray rice, he’s a rb. not saying they don’t take their shots down field.
so three teams in the playoffs have great o and bad d. how many teams in the playoffs these days? not a good percentage 3 out of 12. i’d rather be in the group of 9 that plays d. looks like they have better odds, at least of making the playoffs.

by big_wile on Jan 10, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The Steelers haven't been a run-first team for ages

Roethlisberger and Wallace are the foundation of that offense. They still have a reputation as a run-first team, but that’s not based in reality but on the old, pre-Bruce Arians Steelers.

Regardless, it’s beside the point. If you want to win championships, you want to build both a competent passing game and a good defense. You can’t go “well I’ll take one and ignore the other”. You need both.But if you need to build your team around one or the other, I’ll take the passing offense every time.

by Sander on Jan 10, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said, Sander.

Came over from FieldGulls after seeing you show up there.

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly I want a defensive minded coach

Let’s get back to buc ball!!! Plus we’ve invested major stock in the defense. It would be better to shut out a team then to go toe to toe in a shootout.

Plus drew brees,jimmy graham,roddy white white, julio jones, darren sproles, michael turner, cam newton, steve smith are all superstars that we see quite a lot it would be nice to have a defensive minded coach

by Carlitin1988 on Jan 10, 2012 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We passed because ...

we still had to pay off Gruden. That ended this year along with Raheem. Now we have the money to pay another big named guy. I kind of seem this coming the whole time. Just didn’t know it would be Marty in the front running!

by BucIt4U on Jan 10, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i've come to terms that i may have to accept marty as our hc

and i’m slowly becoming ok with it. the stigma that he can’t win in the playoffs is only there because he’s seemingly in the playoffs every year. it’s like saying the bills couldn’t win the super bowl in the 90’s. of course they couldn’t but they went to 4 of them, FOUR. they just ran into better teams and had some bad breaks. i think that’s marty’s deal. when he coached cleveland, it was elway and denver, and ernest byner not being able to hold onto the damn ball. in san diego, besides having an idiot gm who he didn’t get along with, in fact they hated each other, he ran into brady and new england. i think here in san diego, he won despite his gm.
and the age thing is way overblown. why is it that nobody ever wondered how lou holtz was going to relate to players at notre dame or bowden at fsu or schnelleberger when he was building miami? why is it that it’s ok for college coaches to be older but in the nfl everyone worries about how the hc will relate to his players? i’d argue the relationship between coach and player is more important at the college level. so the age thing might work in marty’s favor with such a young team. i think it’s more important for position coaches to be younger and relate to their guys than head coaches. in the nfl, the hc needs to set the tone for the team. and maybe marty is the guy to set the right tone for these youngsters we have in tampa.

by big_wile on Jan 10, 2012 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

Shottenheimer and Hue Jackson as O-Coordinator?

They do have previous coaching connections together? So does Wade Phillips and Shottenheimer!?

by the420bucsfan on Jan 10, 2012 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

He has said repeatedly that he enjoys Houston

and seems to like living in Texas quite a bit. No way he makes a lateral move in my opinion. He is already given almost all the credit for their success this year, and many Houston fans think that Phillips is already breathing down Kubiak’s neck to replace him.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 11, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Houston is his home town and he would never leave...

unless he becomes a HC. He is a demi-God here right now and the Houston Sports Radio shows have talked about nothing other than his Friday interview with us.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 11, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

FieldGulls/Seahawks guy here.

I have to admit, I was almost shocked to see such a high percentage of you voted for Marty. I think he would be great and would bring in a top notch staff.

When it comes to playoff success, luck and not skill have much to do with it. Dean Smith was a great college basketball coach that came an errant perimeter pass in ’82 and a huge three from Donald Williams and a weird timeout in ’93 from “never being able to win the big one.”

And Marty was a John Elway drive and two games vs the 2000’s juggernaut NE Patriots from getting to “the big one.” Context tells me he’s won everywhere he’s been and put his teams into position to win. Hell, maybe now the “luck gods” will finally come due and pay the man some forward karma.

Good luck, and I like the idea for you guys of getting Marty.

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 10, 2012 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

I have a feeling

That if we end up with Marty that we will draft Richardson..I just don’t think Blount will be the “Marty Ball” type..but I’m all down for whatever works and gives us W’s

by TampaBayAllTheWayFromCaliforni-A on Jan 10, 2012 9:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I thought they liked Tucker, plus everyone hates Mularkey in Atlanta.

Doesn’t really make sense to me, but oh well. No skin off my back.

Oderint dum metuant

by jBen05 on Jan 10, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Mularkey has a stellar reputation around the league, somehow

I don’t like him, think the offense is way too conservative, but it is what it is.

Tucker will probably stay in Jacksonville as a DC, though.

by Sander on Jan 10, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

That game plan vs the Giants last week

was horrific.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jan 11, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

With Mularkey gone

there is a shot that Atlanta offense could be better than mediocre next year. Also a shot they can be worse too.

I think a 5 year old with a etch a sketch could do better with that offense than Mularkey.

by TruBuc1 on Jan 10, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Wonders if we do obtain Marty as the HC.

Would he some how be able to talk Dungy into DC job ? haha, i know that would never happen. I never knew Dungy worked with him, that is a pretty nice list of Coaches there! Seems like the Man has some ties with quality people.

by BucIt4U on Jan 10, 2012 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

There is way to much up and coming

coaching talent out there for us to lay an egg, like we did in FA. Dom had better get this right.

by TruBuc1 on Jan 10, 2012 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

Thinking about Wade Moving here...

You know really thinking about it after readying alot of posts. It’s obvious Marty is not a 10 year game plan. We are all in agreement that he will need to bring someone in to groom for the future job. Wade wants another HC job. Maybe he would be comfortable behind Shotty for 3-5 years and maybe take over.

I also really like the Hue Jackson idea. Also the Spagnoula option

by BucIt4U on Jan 10, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

I have been listening to a HOU sports radio station...

and they have been talking about the Wade Phillips interview – and nothing else. Phillips would never leave HOU for anything less than a HC position. He is a Houston native and in a perfect situation for himself here. Would never make a lateral move just to remain a DC.

Schottenheimer will most likely be our next coach…

by Cracker Ball on Jan 11, 2012 6:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Marty's son

Just told the jets he isnt returning next year. He may know Marty is getting the Bucs job and he will be the OC. Just speculation. But interesting.

by Bucsfan123 on Jan 10, 2012 11:26 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing.

I’m betting Marty is announced tomorrow as our new coach.

Where the heck is Keyser?

by bucnut1 on Jan 10, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Not saying tomorrow- I think they'll still honor the Wade Phillips commitment and have a decision by say, next monday.

"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Jan 11, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

So Far the Biggest Thing to me.

Is how enthusiastic about coming here. He sees something in this team apparently some do not. The guy is publicly licking his chops to Coach for the Bucs… That shows me alot. No one else has even whispered a word.

by BucIt4U on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

He has common sense

Tampa is not bad team nor is it a team lacking talent. A bad year doesnt mean the team is bad, just in need of a sense of direction and some good guidance and teaching. This job is hands down the best coaching job anyone of these coaches could ask for.

by BucFan727 on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say BEST.

Not with owners like ours. The team? yes. The Owners? No.

by BucIt4U on Jan 11, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty damn good signings if you ask me,

Though I’d go Tucker over Phillips, seeing as though Wade would warrant another year or two to get used to his 3-4ish system.

by Titankillah on Jan 11, 2012 4:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I Dont Like

The Sound Of His Son Quiting The Jet’s I Dont Want Him To Be The O-Coord

by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 10, 2012 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

I say relax on Brain.

He hasn’t been that good as an OC. But do you really believe Marty wont have his hands in the cookie jar “so to speak” of the offense?

The only thing that scars me about Brian coming here. Is the possibility of him being a Future HC for us.

by BucIt4U on Jan 11, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Brian Schottenheimer

Said he would not be returning to the Jets as coordinator and Malarkey got the job in Jacksonville. So it’s not to be a head coach somewhere. Wouldn’t be surprised if we hear that Marty is our new coach and that Brian is the new OC. Not sure if I’m happy about it or not. Was hoping they’d give Zimmer a look and some other Coordinators before making a decision. But, we could do worse. Anyway GO BUCS!

by BrooklynBucsFan on Jan 11, 2012 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

from 1 extreme 2 the next

youngest to the oldest.
my friend saw this and asked me if a pirate was actually running the organization.
i said shit, that’d be a step in the right direction.
-the worst part of this is if his son gets ahold of freeman. anybody watched sanchez an the jets offense this year?

by lakeshow24 on Jan 11, 2012 6:08 AM EST reply actions  

not lacking talent???

blount,k2,freeman.williams,joseph. anybody else on our offense worth noting?
clayborne,bowers,talib,ronde(if he returns)foster. anybody else on D worth noting?
now of those guys how many would you know if you didnt follow the bucs?

by lakeshow24 on Jan 11, 2012 6:17 AM EST reply actions  

That "talent" collection is something - but clearly not enough.

we really had the Gods smiling on us last year – despite Morris. Its hard to even calculate how many 2011 Bucs will remain after this years training camp and cutdown. I suspect not so many.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 11, 2012 6:57 AM EST up reply actions  

3 years ago

we blew it up, got “youngry” and started over.
now with whats already the youngest team in the NFL its looks like we will be doing it all over again.
ill be happy when there is something positive 2 comment on regarding the bucs.

by lakeshow24 on Jan 11, 2012 7:05 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed... we just need a "real" coach this time

and I hope the “trash-digging” for players is over too – because we played like garbage.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 11, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

To me, more than anything, a good head coach needs to be an excellent delegator.

That means that he hires people he can trust, but still holds them accountable.

Gruden was not a good delegator. He left the defense alone with Monte to focus on his offense. When Monte decided to accept the role at Tennessee, he didn’t have the oversight of the defense to begin installing a contingency plan or holding the defense accountable.

Raheem started with this strategy. With both the coordinators, he recognised things weren’t working and made changes. However, once those changes were made he got away from this as he was spreading himself to thin with the defense.

The best Head Coaches hire effective coordinators, position coaches, strength and conditioning people, trainers, etc. and hold them accountable. They monitor the results from these people and make adjustments as necessary. Belichek does this, Tomlin does this, and although he remains heavily involved in the offense Payton does it too.

I think Schottenheimer has the experience to be an effective “CEO.” To set a methodology and culture, and monitor the other people within the organisation. However, and here’s the catch. This means he needs to have very good coordinators, and people he can be frank with. He’ll need coordinators who can relate to the players, because at 68 he’s not going to sit an a receivers meeting and hold attention while discussing the coverage packages of next week’s opponents.

So if Marty does become the coach, I want good, accountable coordinators. This mean’s not his son, not another 60+ year old re-tread, and not someone who’s a yes man.

I think Marty at the helm will work with a solid staff.

Who needs normal sleep patterns?

by AcadianTraverse on Jan 11, 2012 8:04 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I believe Rah was afraid to delegate...

to Jagz or Bates – as they were each a more viable HC prospect than Rah.

Business Lesson #1 – Never set up your replacement.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 11, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

What Yall Think ?

Hc – Herm Edwards
Oc- Hue Jackson
Dc – Steve Spagnuolo

by RIP SEAN TAYLOR 21 on Jan 11, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

I think Herm Edwards needs some Ritalin...

he is borderline spastic with his nonsensical energy.

Hue Jackson and Spagnuolo – OK

by Cracker Ball on Jan 11, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Great choices for OC and DC- Edwards as a HC? No. Just no.

With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....

by RookTakesYou on Jan 11, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like it's a no for Marty and Wade, and I'm sure Childress is a no as well.

This really shouldn’t be taking this long, unless rumors that the guy they want is involved in the playoffs , as some have suggested (no not Wade), they knew it was over for Raheem they should have had an idea of who they were looking for a long time ago. this endless carousel of duds and re-treads is getting really tiresome, unless it is some kind of bizarre smoke screen.

there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam

by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 11, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions  


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