2012 NFL Draft: Tampa Bay Buccaneers Get Fifth Overall Pick
by Sander on Jan 1, 2012 7:31 PM EST
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PrintWith the Cleveland Browns losing to the PIttsburgh Steelers, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will have the fifth overall pick in the 2012 NFL draft. They will need it, as the team has a serious lack of talent at several position - most notably cornerback and linebacker. A high draft pick can help quickly turn a team around, although the Bucs need more than just a high pick to turn this team around.
Some of the realistic options with that fifth overall pick would include CB Morris Claiborne, RB Trent Richardson and WR Justin Blackmon. LB Luke Kuechly has also been mentioned as a possible selection at that point in the draft. With the new NFL CBA the contracts for highly drafted rookies became cheaper, making it easier for teams to trade down - another option the Tampa Bay Buccaneers could pursue.
With the season over, the focus now shifts to offseason improvements. Coaching changes are likely coming, and perhaps even front office changes. With coaching changes come possible scheme changes, and scheme changes will create new needs. The offseason will be interesting this season, and the fifth overall pick gives Bucs fans a little hope.
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so i will take....
Indy – Andrew Luck
Rams – Matt Kalil
Minny – Justin Blackmon
Brownies – Robert Griffin III
THE GLORIOUS TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS – MORRIS CLAIBORNE
RG3 ? Maybe I am the only one who isn't sold on this guy.
….Big 12 QBs usually look great collegiately in the no defense conference….trying to think of one recently that has panned out? Bradford? not yet… Cant think of any…maybe someone else can…
No RG3 talk please...
we don’t get to play Washington or Teaxs Tech. It will not go that way for him in the NFL.
Let’s stick to our DEF needs (or RB/OL) and forget the QB think. Unless Kellen Moore is still available late.
i dont want KM as a starter...
Backup is ok..
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he would be a very good back-up for Freeman
and could be an option if Freeman got hurt for an extended period or continued to stink the place up. One never knows…
by Cracker Ball on Jan 1, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see a veteran come in as a back up
…someone that has NFL experience and can possibly give JF some pointers…a coaching peer if you will.
Agreed
Our backup should be a veteran, not another freaking rookies. Would love to see us get mark Brunelleschi or dare I say Peyton manning.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
would be a great teacher gor freeman.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree...Kellen Moore is pretty good...
Could be a good back-up with starter potential. However, I think we need to bring in a servicable Veteran QB to back Freeman up. I think Freeman could benefit greatly from having a Veteran QB on the roster; heck, he might even learn something.
Mark Bulger, Kyle Orton maybe?
Assuming he hasn’t won a starting spot in KC. A vet would be very nice, and make Kellen Moore #3 to learn, but whom out there do you trust to counsel Freeman?
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Claiborne or Richardson
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
The biggest X-factor in whether we get Claiborne is the Vikings
The Colts will take Luck, and the Rams will either trade down or take Kalil.
If the Rams trade down (and their trade partner takes RG3), the Vikes would take Kalil. If the Rams take Kalil, the Vikes will look to trade down- if they can’t broker a trade, then they might very well take Claiborne.
Bucs fans should pray that St. Louis or Minnesota can broker a deal with a team seeking RG3. Cleveland is less likely to take Claiborne at #4 overall: they might take Blackmon or break dcbucsfan’s heart and take Richardson.
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
by RookTakesYou on Jan 1, 2012 7:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
my mock
IND – luck
STL – kalil
MIN – claiborne
CLE – blackmon / rich
TB – trade down
i dont see min getting blackmon, and i hope i’m wrong but they could use help in the secondary and claiborne would be an immediate upgrade for them.
i don’t think cle will give up on mccoy just yet, they need weapons for him. name their 3 WR without looking it up. it’s tough to do. you can also compliment hillis with rich which would open up the pass game a little for colt.
that being said if griffin is still available bucs will trade with a team who loves him and we can accumulate picks
i just hope i’m wrong and we get claiborne.
Why wouldnt min take blackmon?
Other than percy harvin who I dont think is a #1 wr who else does min have? They could put peterson, blackmon, harvin, te kyle rudolph all around ponder.
by Stormin Monkee on Jan 1, 2012 7:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Because Blackmon isn't worth the third overall pick
He’s a good receiver, but he doesn’t have the speed or size to be a true gamebreaker.
Very true
Im just reaching for ideas that would allow claiborne to fall to tampa bay
by Stormin Monkee on Jan 1, 2012 8:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
michael jenkins, bernard berrian, and vincent shianco
are good options for their team and i think they will look towards FA for a WR or later rounds pick somebody up.
winfield recently had surgery to fix his collarbone i believe. and at 34 i think they will look for a replacement and who better for them than claiborne.
I would be very dissapointed
To take kuechley with the 5th pick would be just as dissapointing as this season. He is like a replica of Ruud. Good lb but not that big playmaker you expect with the 5th pick
by Stormin Monkee on Jan 1, 2012 8:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Looked like Ruud Jr in the few games I saw him, not interested.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I agree with you.
….also, not keen on starting another rookie LBer. The problem is…there isn’t very good LBer options in FA this year.
FA options for LB are limited at best.
Loooks like our LB’S will be young again in 2012.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trade down with Washington and then take Kuechley
At least he tackles
Rams to fire HC& GM via Mort on ESPN
there’s the first domino to fall in the Coach Pool
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
if spagnola
Is canned he be a good DC for our def
by blountforce72 on Jan 1, 2012 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As long as change is made
At this point im just ready for change I dont care who comes. I would like to see Fisher come in but tampa cant get any worse than they have looked the past 10 games
by Stormin Monkee on Jan 1, 2012 8:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Question is when do the glazers make a move?
I hope something comes out soon. Its bad when my wife who never watches football, sat down with me and was pointing out how tb cant tackle and their lack of effort within 2 mins
by Stormin Monkee on Jan 1, 2012 8:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
tomorrow
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
by Buc Wild on Jan 1, 2012 8:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
we need to get some fas
In here lb conner dqwell jackson and ernie sims
Db carlos rogers and laron landry
by blountforce72 on Jan 1, 2012 8:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jackson is local too.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
They should have a plan already!
The writing has been on the wall for about six weeks now and only getting worse by the game
by Stormin Monkee on Jan 1, 2012 8:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
thats funny.
…I don’t think he had any…but he didn’t touch the ball that much either. We were in passing mode after about 3 mins in the 1st quarter.
could this happen
Colts luck
Rams Kalil
Vikes lineman from Iowa
Browns Richardson
Could the Bucs trade down wit skins or dolphins and still get Clayborne if the jags take Blackman also trade Winslow for a 4th4th rd pic
by blountforce72 on Jan 1, 2012 8:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Blackmon*
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 1, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
I would like this
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 1, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
who is goin to pick up
FLYN from green bay had a great day he just made him some $$$$$ so he gets him….browns skins hawks dolphins
by blountforce72 on Jan 1, 2012 8:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yea
That will hurt Tampa if we wanna trade down
by blountforce72 on Jan 1, 2012 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Will wait to see who the new coach is.
They could go in any direction.
Raheem was the DREAM that turned into a NIGHTMARE..
Take Claiborne
If Claiborne is not available at #5, trade down a few picks and aim for Kuechly,Brown, or Kirkpatrick.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
I wish you guys the best of luck this off-season
And we’ll see you back in the dogfight for the NFC South a year from now. Take care, everyone.
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you yo dave, good luck in the playoffs.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wanted to see if 80 was going to be put up
Ruined watching the game :(
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
History is with us, I think that no DB's have ever gone in the top 3 for the past 5 years.
The Brownies however are a different position
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
And Morris Claiborne is not Charles Woodson
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 1, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Very true
Don’t really know why good cornerbacks don’t get picked that high, either. But hey, they don’t.
I think corners will start to get taken higher, with the league becoming more pass oriented
The Browns just took Joe Haden a couple years ago at #5, I don’t know if they would drop another top 5 pick on a corner. Their defense seemed to play okay today, while there offense was stagnant. I’m betting they look for a playmaker. Watch out for Alshon Jeffrey to shoot up draft boards, a la Darius Hayward-Bay. He should test well. I expect the Browns to go after Blackmon, Jeffrey, or Richardson.
by flash_kiley on Jan 1, 2012 10:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Trade our #1 for Tim Tebow
….that way, we get God on our side. At this point, we need divine intervention.
no what we need to do is:
re-dedicate ourselves, get back to the lab and start preparing for next season, stop worrying about job security cause that is for mental midgets
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
leave it to iowa to have the one liners... lol
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I get all material from raheems press conferences
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I saw the press conference
Cant beleive he cracked a few smiles…dick. Could you imagine if say Tom Coflin was our coach at the pc after an effort like that. He would of ripped everyone on our team. And the reporters have let him off the hook all year long, I think Rah gives them the questions he whants them to ask
I think rah was smiling because now the pressure is
off and he is still a very rich man…
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Robert Griffin III comes out this year, and he slips to the Fifth overall spot...
TRADE THAT DRAFT SPOT for the other team’s First, Second and/or Third Rounds this season AND the other team’s Second Rounder next season. With luck the second-best available CB or OLB will slip to us later in the First…
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
i believe the second best cb or lb will be available in the second
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
Haha, keep dreaming
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 1, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
my bad i just meant lb. might get the third or fourth best cb.
probably dennard or jenkins in the second
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
Still dreaming
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 1, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
trent trichardson
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
by dcbucsfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i love your dedication DC....
Seriously though, outside if a draft day miracle, the new regime has no choice but to use our first two draft picks on defends. I am not going to name any players, but it has to be done. In the later rounds we can hopefully screes a third down back and a O-linenan.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*sorry about spelling. i 'm trying to get use ti my new kindlefire keyboard.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
TR can play both ways.
he can play weak side LBer. I hear he is a good punter too. But hey, we have a decent punter.
minneesota gets claiborne.
and we can probably get richardson at the 5th pick
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
hey DC, how pissed are you going to be if we
Don’t get TR?
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
im pretty confident we will get him.
if by any chance we dont it better be because hes not available nor is Claiborne and that will suck. And i will be at the draft to make sure i root for us getting Trent Richardson
ALL ABOARD THE TRENT RICAHRDSON TRAIN!!!
anyway you have an inside line to Dominik?
I have heard Richardson’s name mentioned by local media..specifically Ian Beckles. Would be an interesting pick considering we suck as so many other areas…
That being said, I wouldn’t be upset because TR brings the right mentality we need. Others may have it too, but I am certain he does. Been following him since his HS days in Pensacola.
Every prospect's name is going to be "mentioned"
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 1, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not on the Richardson Train...Wanna improve the running game....
Upgrade the O-line. They basically got their butts kicked every week this year. It’s kinda hard to run the football when defenders are literally taking hand-offs. If we miss out on Claiborn I’d prefer to move down and take Kirkpatrick if possible I’d even consider an OL over Richardson; RB’s come a dime a dozen, only once in a life-time type of backs should be taken top 5 (Ladainian, Adrian Peterson, etc) and IMO Richarson is a good player but not a once in a life-time. And besids, remember what happened the last time we toke a SEC RB with the top 5 pick.
yep..he's decent...just not worthy of a top 5 pick IMO...
Im not a fan of taking backs that hi for a few reasons
1. RB’s lose value faster than any other position.
2. Good backs can still be found in rds 2 thru 7 (Terrel Davis 6th rd pick, Backs like Freddie Jackson & Adrian Foster wasnt even drafted.
3. Many Teams have had sucess using the RB by commitee strategy: see NO, NE, NY, etc.
I’d much rather address our O-Line dificiencies and take a back in mid rounds.
*Arian Foster
While it is true that RBs lose value faster than any other position, it is usually from wearing down physically, and TRich is not going to wear down physically. He is solid.
Also, when you think of running back by committee, the one that you would think is the most successful is Bradshaw and Jacobs in NY, but the Giants are ranked last in running yards a game this season, and the pats are 20th. NO is 6th which is surprising.
I do agree we need to address our O-line in this draft as well, and would suggest looking into that in later rounds, but lets get that premier back to line up behind Freeman if he is there. I hear your points, but I am telling you, this one is special.
I just dont want him in the 1st because
1. We have bigger needs in the 1st like CB and LB
2.We dont need another big bruising RB, we need a speed back for 3rd downs like Lamichael James, who should be available in the 3rd-4th round going by most mocks.
While he is a very good player, I would be very disapointted if the Bucs took TR with their 1st pick
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jan 1, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
He definitely is.
I’m betting LJ runs a 4.35, and Trent runs a 4.45. LJ will be one of the combine heroes that are gonna skyrocket their draft stock. I see LJ, Jeff Demps, Kendall Wright, Janorice Jenkins, and Brandon Boykin winning the underwear olympics.
by flash_kiley on Jan 2, 2012 12:02 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think a RBs instincts, vision and toughness...
are far more important than just focusing on his 0-60 speed.
Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton and so many other HOF runners were not the fastest guys, but did have the above qualities in spades. I think Trent Richardson would be an excellent addition, and to combine with Blount in our backfield would be an amazing 1-2 punch.
Should really take some pressure off of Freeman…
All the DEF needs really to be address heavily and F/A market can help there. S Dashon Goldson (2011 Pro Bowl) comes to mind for starters.
agreed. needs are greater elsewhere.
Besides, if we get a back, I hope he is more like Darren sproles. Shifty, fast, catch the ball and hard to tackle.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 11:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That being said, Morris Claiborne is the most ironic next ever
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
*name
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 1, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Still Ironic
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 1, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
lacks the leaping if our guy too.
Bet our guy can beat up there go too.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the difference between Blount and Jacobs
is…Jacobs is a thug
#looksotherwaywhileblountpunchessomeone
Me too.
I hate them the most outside of the panthers.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am afraid the Panthers have easily passed us. We're in a tough conference all the sudden.
…they’re making moves to get better…we’re getting worse.
the lions were the punching bag of the nfc north for years now we are taking that role in the south
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
just tough seeing them make moves...
for example, the NO Saints getting Sproles or the Falcons trading up and getting stud WR Julio Jones…etc. We get waiver wire guys, practice squad fodder, or guys with questionable character. We can all sit here and blame the coach or the players…maybe Dominik, but it all comes down to the Glazers making the decision to run this franchise on the cheap.
I freaking hope not.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 10:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey...our guys may not be able to play football
…but I bet they would make awesome as extras on the series OZ.
I think we should try to make a trade for greenbays back up qb
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions
He's a free agent
Also, not happening. The Bucs aren’t going to give up on Freeman, too much invested, much too soon to give up.
by Sander on Jan 1, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes Garcon will be a FA
…but I doubt the Colts let him walk. They will probably part with Reggie Wayne though.
Maybe a new coach won't be so sold on freeman
McDaniels shit canned Cutler
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Watch the language a little
Tiny chance of that happening. It would have to be a coach with personnel control, too.
LOl I guess I thought this was the post game thread I forgot where i was
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt that happens
Freeman’s a great kid off the field, reportedly, has never gotten into off-field trouble of any kind. Unless you count going to the gun range as trouble.
talib and jackson are teaching him how to roll blunts.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chidi Ahanotu disagrees
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Chidi said he's arrogant, based on two whole encounters
Even if he is arrogant, that doesn’t mean he gets into trouble off the field.
I believe it because it shows in the way he plays
has a sense of entitlement, believes he is better than everybody around him, it’s always somebody elses fault when he makes a mistake on the field, says he is a better qb than last year when clearly the stats say differently
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
I dissagree
Cant make completions when knowone is open. He says hes better because he understands this “offence” better
He blames himself plenty of times in his press conferences
You hate Josh Freeman right now. But you’re also reading a lot of things into circumstances and vague inferences. One year ago, everyone was full of praise about the young quarterback who took care of the football, was a tremendously hard worker, understood the game etc. Now one year later he’s lazy, entitled, arrogant and blames everyone but himself? I don’t buy that.
It is not, actually
Ryan Fitzpatrick has one more.
I don’t hang my hat on turnovers as a future indicator of success for QBs, though. They’re not very consistent from year to year, for instance. A lot of good QBs go through bad years in which they throw a lot of INTs.
Eli Manning had 25 INts last season. Drew Brees had 22. Jay Cutler had 26 the year before. Stafford had 20 then. Favre had 22 in ’08. Romo had 19 in ’07. Eli had 20.
so out of 28 TO's
How many went for points against us? I bet that tally would be a disgrace
by GoBuxGo on Jan 1, 2012 10:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It makes perfect sense, it all went to his head last year, this year he crashed and burned,
he will suck again next year unless he changes his attitude
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
A player doesn't go from a hard-working, smart, humble player to arrogant, entitled and lazy
That’s just projecting whatever narratives someone wants to see. A player doesn’t do well? He has to have some personal failings! It can’t be that he isn’t doing well and hard-working at the same time, right?
I believe in him still
He has been pressured by the defense (actually our lack of O line) and playing from behind almost all season. Also our WRs…well you guys know. I think he does a decent job of keeping his head up though.
Then what is it?
I think it’s pretty obvious that he isn’t as well prepared. Exact same QB coach and coordinator. Not really sure how the poor play isn’t personal failure.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
I really want to be wrong about freeman, just like i wanted to be wrong about raheem
but on the other hand freeman is only here because of raheem and that makes me really, really nervous, especially after this years play
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, poor play is on Freeman
Doesn’t mean he suddenly became entitled, or lazy, or arrogant. I’ve pointed out dozens of reasons for different play throughout the season. Forced to play in the structure of the offense, tried to force too many balls, couldn’t rely on scrambles, receivers aren’t winning, missing a good third down back, stares down receivers, fundamentals break down too often.
All of those things are factors. None of them came falling from the sky. None of them require the fabrication of a narrative about some issues with his personality or how he doesn’t get it – when everyone who actually knows something about Freeman and quarterbacking says that Freeman is a hard worker who gets it.
It's the same with the weird "he looks like he doesn't care" narrative which started a few weeks ago among some fans
Where did that come from? The dude’s in people’s faces and looks pissed whenever he throws a pick. And then he doesn’t care?
All of those are reasons for poor play
but they don’t explain why they have arisen this year and weren’t problems last year. Something in his head has changed. He is not the same quarterback. Who knows why? But it’s definitely a personal failing.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
All of those issues were present to an extent last year, actually
The differences are that he isn’t scrambling this year, but staying in the pocket (in part because opposing teams focus on that). He’s had issues with consistency of mechanics throughout his career, and missing an offseason probably hurt a lot. Same with film study. Missing a good check-down/blocking running back meant that two-minute drives became a lot less efficient. He was staring down receivers last year, too, that’s not new this season. The difference is that teams are sitting on those routes more this season, he’s throwing more of those balls instead of checking down.
His receivers have played significantly worse, too.
Those are concrete changes I can point that have nothing to do with him being arrogant or lazy or whatever.
I don’t see which part of that requires changes in his personality to explain anything. It feels like a forced explanation that got dragged in because it sounds right. That’s what always happens when sports figures fail or go through a rough stretch: people search for personal problems. I don’t buy that. People don’t change fundamentally in just a season. Especially when no one who would actually know says anything negative about the way he prepares or how he handles himself.
Basically , once everybody realized freeman wasn't that great, that there wern't going to be any 4th quarter heroic comebacks, the entire team fell apart, and the season imploded
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Concrete changes that you don't have an explanation for.
Why is he having difficulty with mechanics? I’m not saying he is lazy or arrogant, but I don’t see how you can say he isn’t either. It’s entirely possible that a 23 year old kid can fundamentally change with a ton of newfound celebrity and millions of dollars. I think it would be very easy to buy into your own hype at such a young and impressionable age. How old are you? Do you not look back at that time in your life and shake your head?
He isn’t some stoic hero. He’s just a kid that is trying to learn how to be a professional. I don’t think you can say he wasn’t overly confident and arrogant this season, just like we can’t say he is.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
And as for the non-negative comments
I don’t think anyone would reasonably expect negative reports about Freeman escaping One Buc Place. He is the future and their franchise QB. No one that has a job and wants to keep would ever report or even leak something like that. Once heads start rolling tomorrow it might get interesting though.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
in other words you're saying the gun range incident might just be the tip of the iceberg?
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all.
I believe Freeman will find his way back. He is a good kid, and I think he will turn out to be a good man.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
I'm not saying he isn't any of those things
I’m saying that I don’t buy he turns from a humble, hard-working “gets it” quarterback to a lazy, entitled, arrogant player in one offseason. That narrative is lazy and unfounded, in my opinion.
Why is having difficulty with his mechanics? Because he’s always had difficulty with his mechanics. He had the same issue last season, with the exception of the last four games of the season. Add an offseason of no coaching, and do you really need to invent personality changes to explain why his mechanics are regressing?
To regress in their 2nd season...
is not uncommon for the position. Having a quality QB coach/mentor really cannot be overstated here. Alex Van Pelt looked the part in 2010, but not exactly sure what went wrong there in 2011.
A new staff, hopefully with a HC that can pull in some quality staff, will get his head screwed back on straight.
Those are the kind of sports narratives I truly hate
The ones where people who have no personal knowledge of someone make up personal failings they think belong with the on-field failings of someone. Like the whole ‘Cam Newton doesn’t know how to work’ nonsense this past offseason.
Can I unequivocally say Freeman isn’t arrogant, or lazy or whatever? Of course not. I have no idea how hard he works, other than through anecdotal evidence and some reports. But no one with any kind of credibility has suggested that he’s anything other than a hard worker who understands how to play the position. That makes all this speculation about his work ethic or his arrogance nothing more than lazy conjecture.
He has always run hot and cold ever since college
but to have season long mechanics issues implies a lack of focus on fixing them. I don’t really care if Freeman is arrogant. I definitely don’t think he is lazy, but I don’t think he was as in shape this year as last year.
You can see the pudginess clearly in his face earlier in the season:
I’d be very interested to get an accurate weight on Freeman this year compared to last year. He looks 5-10 pounds heavier to my untrained eye. Weight fluctuates, but I have heard a lot of talk about players not being conditioned well under Morris this year. That’s probably just frustrated fans talking smack, but there may be something to it.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Freeman in his post-game press conference
“I’ve got to stop back, figure out what I can do to be a better quarterback, be a better leader for this team.”
for the most part a press conference is just lip service
of course he is going to say something like that, unless he is randy moss
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's not what Chidi says
He said Freeman is an arrogant prick (paraphrasing)
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
If you're basing judgment on one person's evaluation, it's not enough
what do any other observers say about Freeman?
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
I don't care what Chidi says.
It was a joke.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Would make sense
Got to deal with the garbage season some how. Doesn’t appear to be working on his game. Must be at the bar getting tanked and telling himself that stats are for losers and mental midgets anyway.
good one
Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 1, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I just may have to change my screen name to mental midget.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cowboys suck.
They are getting their asses handed to them.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 9:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Forrest Manning
Can taste the post-season.
by GoBuxGo on Jan 1, 2012 9:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Best lb and db/safety available
by Stormin Monkee on Jan 1, 2012 10:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
At this point anyone has to be better than quincy black
by Stormin Monkee on Jan 1, 2012 10:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
A WR would be good
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Every Position except QB, RG, and DE
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
One Leon Hall on this team
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
:O, I need a FA list for this year
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Jan 2, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
What's our current thinking on Coaching candidates?
It’s tough to think about the draft before we know what scheme we’ll be running. I guess Claiborne is a no brainer if he’s there.
Claiborne, Kalil or Richardson
unless we trade down a few sport. Each would help tremendously (albeit in different ways)
by Cracker Ball on Jan 1, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
We're not going to the playoffs....
….and neither is the Cowboys…
I like this. Why? It was insulting seeing all the local people buying up Cowboys gear in the mall the before the Monday night game here. Pathetic. Same people were wearing Bucs gear in 02 I bet. Fair weather.
This may be a bit off the wall...
but I like Tony Sparano.
Honestly
I don’t really care a whole for any of the names that have been mentioned as coach candidates.
Me neither man
I just like it because it won’t be morris
by Carlitin1988 on Jan 2, 2012 12:39 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
maybe we can hire arnold swarzenegger as coach.
His press conferences would be hillarious. “I WILL BE BACK” after every loss…..
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Jan 1, 2012 10:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not a sexy pick but I like Mike Zimmer...
I think he’d be a good head coach. That would be my dark-horse pick.
Are there any current NFL coaches out there that could be contenders.
…if you remember, the Glazers poached Gruden from the Raiders…
IE. someone like a Lovie Smith or Mike Tomlin (former Dungy guys)
They’d be half crazy to leave their current situations, but hey, ya never know.
This team needs some tough love...
I’d prefer Herm Edwards over Lovie if we considered ex-Buc coaches. IMO Lovie would’ve been fired 3 or 4 years ago if it wasnt for Devin Hester. Think about the loses Lovie Smith would have had if Hester wasnt there to bail them out. Hester has been the team MVP since he became a Bear.
Trade Josh Freeman
After next year his stock will go down.He will never be a good QB.He’s not consistent enough .He constantly throws behind his receivers.He cant throw deep unless he under throws his man and the receiver comes back and makes a great catch.He cant read defenses.He cant even see when a rusher is right in front of him.Which is what happened against the Falcons,when he got hit and lost the ball.He is pretty good when his receiver stops.But when that happens his receiver is at a disadvantage and cant pick up many yards after the catch.because the defense has closed in on him.Its hard to have a running game when teams don’t respect the pass. He CONSTANTLY throws well short of the first downs.When we are at 3rd and long.Or 4th and long like he did against ATL.Get rid of him NOW NOW NOW.
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