Ranting about Preseason Freeman
Josh Freeman was terrible in the game against the Patriots and very lackluster against the Chiefs. He didn't throw accurately, he held on to the ball for too long, and he had too many check downs. When the Bucs played the Chiefs, half of Freeman’s passes were check downs, which one can argue demonstrates a fear of passing downfield.
That may have been because of tight coverage, but I think it was because he was scared of throwing a pick. That is not the mindset we need at quarterback. Even though an interception is the worst thing a QB can do; Freeman should not be tentative to throw downfield. Freeman hurts his team almost as much as a pick by taking no chances and not throwing deep. At least with an interception there are usually net yards gained, but the reward for taking a chance downfield is much greater.
Quick touchdowns are demoralizing for a defense, a deep ball threat makes the defense scared to blitz, and a quarterback that takes chances forces the defense to take chances too. Without throwing downfield the defense will pressure the short throws more because they know the QB won’t pass deep. The defenders will also rush the QB more to try to force him into a bad throw, which is a lot more likely without a deep ball.
Brett Favre became a great quarterback because he took chances. Sure he has thrown a bunch of picks, but he also holds NFL records in just about everything. A QB shouldn’t take every chance he gets: the good QBs, like Freeman was last year, know when and where to take chances. Freeman may have decided in the 2 games this preseason that there was no situation where he should have taken a chance but I think that's unlikely.
It seemed he was too scared to make the throw, so he would check it down to his running backs. And when Freeman did decide he wanted to throw downfield, he threw inaccurately or held on and got sacked. There were plenty of throws Freeman made last year that could’ve been picked but weren't because he trusted his receivers to make a play on the ball, and they did.
It is almost as if Freeman doesn’t trust his receiving corps because they didn’t have much time to practice together. If he would just make the throw and trust that his team will come down with it, then he could be much better. Now I’m not saying he should heave and pray, but I am saying put the ball where your player can make a play. At least run the ball, Freeman.
The best play he made was the touchdown run he made against the Chiefs, where nobody was open and he ran. Last year when his internal clock was ticking and he realized he had been in the pocket for too long, he would run. I would at least like to see that this year, because Josh Johnson seems to have improved in that sense.
I have heard that Raheem didn’t give the Bucs a game plan for the Patriots game, but I think that isn’t entirely true. That’s like sending cows to a slaughtering house. Why, of all the teams to choose to have no game plan against, would you choose the Patriots? I hope I am wrong about that, but to be honest, a coach saying they didn’t game plan sounds like a coach making an excuse for his team being wrecked.
I love Raheem though, and really hope he can coach his team well enough this week to get us back on track. This Saturday the Bucs will play the Dolphins and in that game we will once again get to watch our team on the big screen (unless you live in Tampa, sorry). This game will show if the offensive line is still failing at protecting Freeman, the receivers are still failing to get open or win one-on-one battles, and most importantly it will show if Freeman can lead this football team like he did just one year ago. I understand that it’s just preseason, so I hope that I am just overreacting. I would love nothing more than for Freeman to prove me wrong.
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What about the fact that most of Freeman's starting WRs and TEs were not on the field?
Part of the reason why Freeman did so fantastic last year was due to being on the same page with Winslow and Williams (and in Willaims’ case, Freeman had the faith in him to make unbelievable catches).
If the Bucs have the starting lineup we’re expecting for the regular season in this weekend’s matchup with Miami, then we can see how comfortable Freeman is on the field.
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exactly right
completly diff O without Winslow , Winslow would have had a field day with the middle of the field opened up like it was.
here is Rahs team speach 4 days before the Pats game recorded
"This is the last practice that is open," Morris told the team. "Let’s go over there and sign, wish everyone well. Thank them for coming. That’s who we are. We are still in camp mode. We are still getting better. We are still going good on good. We are not trying to scheme New England."
I am not sure throwing a INT is the worst thing a QB can do...
I think playing so tentatively that you limit your throws is far worse. Farve threw A LOT of picks in his career and did OK. Smart throws like back shoulder throws and leading the receiver properly can eliminate some. The receiver and his body position also has a great effect on this. Freeman has a strong enough arm to squeeze stuff in there at times.
Play smart but not scared.
by Cracker Ball on Aug 27, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
That's my view too
An aggressive passing game comes with interceptions at times, but an interception is not the end of the world. To succeed you have to be willing to make stick throws in risky situations. That doesn’t mean you need to be careless with the football, but success comes with risk. If you’re not willing to do that, you turn into Alex Smith.
Whoa big fella! Calm down!
Did you actually watch any of last weeks game?!? Josh didnt have time to do ANYTHING! As a Bucs fan for over 20 years, I have never seen such poor play out of our offensive line. He made a few good plays when he had time and there were 2 bad plays- took a sack where he shouldve tossed it away and missed the easy open reciever. Other than that, he didnt have time to do anything.
Against the Cheifs, he had several good plays. Jesus Christ himself couldn’t have thrown that 35 yard back-of-the-end zone pass any better that was dropped by Williams!! The only bad throw was at the Chiefs 10 yard line, he missed Briscoe over the middle that wouldve been a 1st down if not a TD.
Give him time bro!!
Ummmm yes, I watched EVERY offensive play 2-3 times and Freeman did not have any time at all in the Pats game
by Freeman Fan81 on Aug 29, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He had 3-4 seconds on a lot of plays. That's plenty of time to get the ball out.
There were also plays where he didn’t have that much time, but you’re way too quick to excuse his faults.
I think...
you can’t put much stock in preseason. I see what you are saying but like witty said, we haven’t seen our full line up of regulars yet. Relax and let’s keep watching Freeman develop into a great QB.
"No man ever achieved worthwhile success who did not, at one
time or other, find himself with at least one foot hanging
well over the brink of failure."
-Napoleon Hill
dont get me wrong
II completely agree that its just preseason. I don’t put much stock in this preseason, but I admit I am a bit worried abt freeman cz of his play. I would love nothing more to be wrong starting game 1 against the Lions
Is this serious?
It’s preseason dude. Who cares? Why take shots down field when it doesn’t matter who wins the game. They’re trying to get their timing down, go through the proper progressions etc. I’m not worried at all about Freeman. Unless you actually believe he has regressed last season then you shouldn’t worry either.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
*regressed since last season
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Blasphemy
You’re talking about a guy that’s the dark horse for MVP. In the truest sense of that title that’s who Josh Freeman is. If he doesn’t perform the Bucs will succeed, point blank. You can’t possibly expect the guy to come out guns a blazin after losing basically an entire offseason. Where things like rhythm, timing, and other intangibles that elevates a players’ game are honed or tweaked. Rust came with that time off, but you can be certain this kid will get his groove back and when he he does his bandwagon will be +1. The fact that he plays QB makes him the biggest target to haters like this but because he’s so good they jump at any and every chance.
by GoBuxGo on Aug 26, 2011 8:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yo!
Freeman’s not that there yet! He’s not that accurate yet. He’s dedicated, big, fast, strong arm, tough, and a playmaker. Last year they played real conservative in the begining of every game and counted on him to make things happen as the game went on. He needs to get better and he will.
Or.......
Maybe Freeman is just a clutch kind of player and only shines when it really matters.
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
First quarter points are a lot more useful than fourth quarter points
Early scores can dictate a game.
Well, its just that I don't think 4th quarter bravado is gonna work again..
like the entire previous season.. We need to come out the gate hard, not second half heroism.
by Titankillah on Aug 26, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Freeman found some "Lightning in a Bottle" last season...
in 4 games I can remember, and you can’t really depend on the Gods smiling upon you in that way consistently. He still has much to learn, and he will not be a secret to anyone this season. He was the difference between a 10-6 record and a 6-10. I would really have liked to see the OL seriously addressed with outside player(s) and the addition of 1 true speed receiver.
Also, the Morris/Olsen combo needs to learn how to gameplan – not just make the halftime adjustments.
by Cracker Ball on Aug 27, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
What exactly is expected?
Absolutely no running means no play action, which was a major part of the offense last year.
No Kellen means no safety valve for Josh.
No Kellen also means more bracket coverage for Mike Williams which the Patriots and Chiefs were able to get away with because Briscoe is no “one on one” threat. he cant get open fast enough on his own so the entire offense suffers.
Benn and Winslow are critical, we should see a much improve Josh tomorrow.
Josh Freeman will be better than Matt Ryan, Cam Newton cant compete with FreeFive. Not so sure about Drew Brees.
Sorry you feel you wasted your time, but thanks for the reading anyways
As I said, this is more of a rant on how I have felt about watching the preseason games so far. Been very unimpressed with Freeman, but think our backups have looked very good. I hope I am wrong in every way when season comes around. I know its just preseason, but I would still like to see him being on target with his receivers, scoring touchdowns, not field goals, and getting more than just 33 yards on 10 passing attempts. Stuff like that. Hope you continue reading
yeah its preseason and it doesnt matter but he has looked terrible im not jumping off the bandwagon but he needs to get rid of the ball sooner, preseason or not
my biggest fear for Josh this year was him being a young QB and him expecting that hes gonna throw 6 or less INTS every year and thats not gonna happen he needs to play confident and smart but that still involves some risky throws and he needs to remember that .
by Carlitin1988 on Aug 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions

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