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Buccaneers - Chiefs: Five Disappointing Players on Defense

KANSAS CITY, MO - AUGUST 12:  Defenders Vince Anderson #37 and Anthony Gaitor #39 of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers tackle wide receiver Jeremy Horne #11 of the Kansas City Chiefs after making a catch during the second half on August 12, 2011 at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Missouri.  (Photo by Peter Aiken/Getty Images)

There wasn't much to complain about on defense yesterday in terms of production, but despite that there were some disappointing players on that side of the ball. They were just a little harder to find than the standouts.

S Ahmad Black:
Black got a lot of offseason hype because he was an instinctive player at Florida who was constantly around the ball. Yet somehow, he never showed up for the Bucs against the Chiefs. I'm not even sure the rookie was on the field, though I have yet to go back and re-watch the second half. Whether he was on the field or not, he never showed up, and that's disappointing for a player who has the instincts and short area skills to find a role for himself on defense. 

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DE Alex Magee:
I like Alex Magee. He looked pretty decent in limited time last season, and has plenty of talent. Unfortunately, he did nothing against the Chiefs. Literally, nothing. The game book lists him as "Did Not Play", and that seems right to me as I never noticed him on the field. . With plenty of defensive ends showing up against the Chiefs, Magee looks like he's out of a roster spot. That's disappointing for a player with his talent, especially so given the fact that the Bucs traded for him last season (giving up an early fifth-rounder, and getting back a late sixth-rounder).

S Cody Grimm:
Cody Grimm was an active run defender who showed up at times in pass defense as well last season, but he didn't do much in this game. Whereas last year he was the man who made the run defense go, flying up to make tackles and filling holes, he failed to do so against the Chiefs. He made two tackles, but both tackles were after solid gains by running backs. Grimm has reportedly been bothered by his leg, which he broke last year. That should heal up, but he needs to show that it has and isn't holding him back at some point this preseason. 

DE Da'Quan Bowers:
It's a little disingenuous to list him here, as Bowers looked like a very good run defender. Unfortunately, the same couldn't be said of his pass rush ability, which was strangely absent. Bowers led the nation in sacks in 2010, but the rookie didn't show that pass rush ability against the Chiefs. Still, I don't really want to call him a disappointment, but the defenders as a whole played well against the Chiefs, so this is the closest I can get. 

DE Michael Bennett:
Yes, I listed him as one of the defensive standouts as well, and as with Bowers, he wasn't a true disappointment. Still, Bennett was listed as the starter at left defensive end going into the game, but showed that he shouldn't be the starter by being a liability in run defense. He was consistently blocked out of the play or out of position in run defense. That's a problem, and it means he can't be the starter. Still, he did look like a terrific pass rusher, which means I don't really see this is as a true disappointment.

Yes, I'm reaching with these last two players. That should tell you something about the quality of play on defense, or at least players' abilities to not stand out negatively. 

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Is it me or did Bowers look very big (large) on the field

I didnt watch alot of his highlights from college. But I dont remember him looking that big. Is it possible that he made need to catch up on his conditioning?

Is it also possible that when he feels even more comfortable about his knee, which will come from time and confidence, that his pass rushing skills will improve???

Josh Freeman will be better than Matt Ryan, Cam Newton cant compete with FreeFive. Not so sure about Drew Brees.

by TruBuc1 on Aug 14, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

He was 275 at Clemson and 280 at the combine.

So, I don’t think it’s anything to do with his conditioning.

by NewLogic on Aug 14, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Black got into the game.

Are we sure it wasn’t injury related or something. Asante may have hurdled him but it’s hard to believe they wouldn’t give Black a shot on the field after drafting him. He can’t possibly look that bad in training camp.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 14, 2011 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I have no idea what's up

But we haven’t heard anything in the injury department, and he wasn’t listed among the ’didn’t play’ in the gamebook, so I assume he got on the field, but just didn’t do anything.

by Sander on Aug 14, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have access to Pewter Report

but when I typed Blacks name into search there is something about him and Stocker that I can’t read without Insider Access.

Tight end Luke Stocker and safety Ahmad Black, Tampa Bay’s fourth- …

If someone with access could copy and paste that particular paragraph it might shed some light on the situation

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 14, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh, I missed that one

It says Black didn’t dress, but PR is the only one reporting that, and only there. No other outlet (including the gamebook) has said that.

by Sander on Aug 14, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they reported it it is most likely true.

Hard to call Black a disappointment if he didn’t even put pads on. Guess we’ll have to wait until Thursday to see if he gets in there

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 14, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

But why did he not put pads on? Did they not think he was ready?

by Sander on Aug 14, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If this is his real twitter it looks like he is saying he played

http://twitter.com/#!/ahmadblack35


ahmadblack35 Ahmad Black
@
@GhostintheRuins I played. Guess u didn’t look hard enough
23 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Now I’m really confused.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 14, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm inclined to believe Black

The team has said nothing while the gamebook says he played, and that one sentence for PR in an insider article is the only reference to it anywhere.

by Sander on Aug 14, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually disagree with the Cody Grimm remark.

Two of those long run plays that picked up 8 yards were on 3rd and 10 downs. They may have been somewhat big gains, but if Grimm hadn’t stopped both of them they would have been first downs. I also had a pretty keen eye on him during the game, and he always seemed to be right near the ball carrier when he was tackled, and that was him coming from close to 3/4 the football field (width wise). I thought he did just fine personally.

by IBleedPewter on Aug 14, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

It's not about the plays he made

It’s about the plays he didn’t make. On most of the running plays on which he wasn’t on the field, he didn’t even appear in the frame until the play was over. Last year he was often the guy closing in and making the tackle quickly, filling the hole. Against the Chiefs, he didn’t make an impact.

by Sander on Aug 14, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that he didn't get to a lot of plays until they were at the end...

But after re watching the game and focusing on him, for some reason they have him starting out farther back than they did last year. They had him out about 15 – 20 yards on almost every play. And the ones he wasn’t that far, if the ball was run for a decent gain, it wasn’t to his side. For instance the Jones run that went for about 25 yards, he was right behind Clayborn, went forward shed a block and caught up to the guy on the other side of the field for the tackle.

I think they are trying new schemes with him put farther out than they did last year and that is why he didn’t show up as much.

by IBleedPewter on Aug 14, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

He was out that far plenty of times last year, and came up and made the tackle

That’s what he did best. He couldn’t do that in this game. That’s all there is to it. Last year he came down from the deep safety spot quickly, and decisively made a tackle. Now when he was the deep safety he didn’t even appear in the frame until the play was over

Also on the Jones run, he was at the line of scrimmage. As I said, it wasn’t about the plays he did make, it was about the ones he didn’t make.

by Sander on Aug 14, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you are trying to say, and I know he was in majority of run stops last year.

But they took him out in the beginning of the first, and out of all those plays I could only count 3 he could have been a factor in. And 2 of them he made the tackle. That was the point I was trying to get across. The rest were all stopped by the D line or LB’s, which rarely happened last year.

by IBleedPewter on Aug 14, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's not the point

I’m not asking him to make the tackle, but to not even show up in the frame, that’s a problem.

by Sander on Aug 14, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

But asking a guy to get in the fram from 20 yards out when the play is stopped in 1 - 2 sec. is a little much

On top of that if he knows the play is going to stop from the whistle, he isn’t going to keep on running up there. I wish we could have better views from the camera to see what he was doing, because if he was sitting there lolly gagging I would say your points are absolutely correct, but we don’t know who he was covering each time, or what he was doing in those plays.

Also, his speed isn’t 100% yet because of the broken leg, and he said that it probably wouldn’t be until preseason wk 3. I just feel that there are other players that could be more deserving of this list, and he shouldn’t be put on this list just because he wasn’t in the frames of all our run stops that happened surprisingly quickly unlike last year.

by IBleedPewter on Aug 14, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Read your second paragraph again

That’s exactly what I’m saying: he looked slower and didn’t get to where he got last year. That’s why it’s a disappointing performance. As I noted, that may improve as his leg stops bothering him, but he needs to show that in the remaining preseason games.

Those run stops didn’t happen so quickly last game that he couldn’t come up and at least appear near the line.

And tell me who was more deserving of being on this list, but isn’t on it, because I couldn’t find anyone. Note, this is a list of disappointing players, not a list of poor players. Someone at the bottom of the roster looking bad isn’t a disappointment, it’s standard.

by Sander on Aug 14, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I would say T-Mack would probably be more deserving to be on this list.

I was really excited to see the battle of the MLB, but when he was on the field, I felt he was invisible for most of the time he was on the field. The only thing I remember of T-Mack was his weird defense adjustment of the DLine when on one of his first few plays. Besides that he was more of a distant memory.

by IBleedPewter on Aug 14, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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