Coaching vs Talent - Is GM Mark Dominik at fault for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' collapse?
by Sander on Dec 7, 2011 2:00 PM EST
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PrintWhile Raheem Morris is coming under fire for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' six-game slide, General Manager Mark Dominik is starting to hear some criticism too. The most relevant question right now: are the Bucs losing and playing increasingly worse because of their lack of talent or because of coaching?
Well, I can give you my answer: it's both. The key is this: one is excusable, while the other isn't. Yes, the Buccaneers lack talent at some position.
On defense their depth at cornerback is failing them, the safety position has been a weakness for years, Geno Hayes and Quincy Black have fallen off a cliff after solid 2010 seasons and with Gerald McCoy out there are precious few competent players at defensive tackle.
On offense, Josh Freeman has struggled, the wide receivers have been inconsistent at best, Kellen Winslow seems to have started his decline, Luke Stocker has failed to contribute and the Bucs have found no competent backup at running back since Earnest Graham's injury. And some of those positions could easily have been addressed in free agency this year, with a class of free agents that had more quality and depth than arguably any free agent class in the history of the NFL.
That part of the problem is on Mark Dominik - but it is only a small part of the problem, and it is excusable to a point. Hit the jump to hear my explanation.
When the Glazers appointed Mark Dominik in 2009, they supposedly had a vision of how they were going to re-build the Buccaneers: through the draft, re-signing their own players. That kind of process works in the long term. It's how the Steelers have been a dominant franchise for so long. It's how the Dallas Cowboys built their dominant team in the '90s. It's how the Green Bay Packers have built their current team (with just two unrestricted free agents on their roster).
But that kind of thing takes time, and it's apparent that it's going to take a little more. Mark Dominik could have accelerated the process by dipping into free agency this offseason, as plenty of young free agents were available. Instead, he decided to limit his signings to a punter. And while that punter has been very valuable, any punter's impact on a team will be limited.
Can you fault Dominik for that approach? Yes, but that was the plan they implemented, with the Glazers' support. While the slide might cost Raheem's head, it would have to take more than that for Dominik to be fired. Especially so because the GM received a four-year contract extension this past offseason.
And looking at the Bucs' talent level, they could have won a lot more games than they have. Losing to the Tennessee Titans and Carolina Panthers had very little to do with talent level. While the Bucs are a worse team than the 49ers and Texans, the scoreline does not reflect the difference in talent level.
Worse yet, the team has regressed throughout the season. Injuries have happened, but have been relatively minimal. Injuries happen to every NFL team, and the Bucs haven't been hit particularly hard. Yet despite that, and despite a consistent talent level, the Bucs are faltering as the year progressing.
Are the Buccaneers a finished team? Absolutely not. But are the Bucs playing to their talent level? No. And that, to me, is a result of coaching.
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Yeah the talent cold be a little better, some free agents would have been nice
but the DC and the OC are both terrible so i voted coaching is the main problem
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 2:10 PM EST reply actions
Coaches are the main problem.
Of course I fully expect Morris to get fired, and there’s a good chance what ever new coach they bring in will want Dom’s job too, so he could be given a new position or shown the door. I won’t miss any of them.
"I'd run over my mother to win the Super Bowl." - Russ Grimm
I wanted to vote 10% - 50% - 40% on all three choices
because it is a combination of all three. Morris is over matched, DOM should have certainly signed more than just a punter and he is not very adept at finding starters late in the draft.
When the greatest F/A class EVER presents itself to you, and you have $50 million to spend (theoretically), you don’t give it to Quincy Black and Jeremy Trueblood.
In my opinion
To say this is Dominik’s fault is ridiculous. There is no proof that he didn’t attempt to obtain players, as multiple reports came in the off season of the Bucs attempting to sign players like Joesph and Free. Also, he did put waiver claims in for at least 2 players this year, one of which we got. It is one thing to say he hasn’t landed a lot of Free Agent talent, which is true, and another to claim he hasn’t’ attempted, which cannot be proven. Tampa is not a place people want to come play. We have a horrid attendance and a team that has not been playoff caliber as of late. It is easier to sign players when they actually want to come here.
Ruud is better than Black, he could actually tackle.
We should have replaced Quincy before we replaced Ruud, and Rah wanted to keep Ruud.
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Fair enough.
But that is one example. Lack of discipline is what is hurting this team, which is a coaching issue.
Ruud was disciplined and helped everyone else to be disciplined as well, Quincy is just horrible.
I’ve never been the biggest Ruud supporter, he wasn’t the most physical but he was smart and reliable. Quincy just sucks at everything. If Ruud was here and we replaced Quincy instead, then we would be a more disciplined team with less mistakes.
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Hell call it loud and clear
DOM LET THE D-CAPTAIN WALK OVER LEAGUE MINIMUM SALARY !! THE CAPTAIN!!!
Ok what GM worth thier salt would
Have a team captain who is the leading tackler on the youngest team int he NFL. NOW then they can resighn him for about 2.5 mil a year.. Now he is the player who all your young defensive players look to..but instead you say NAW ill let him go draft a ROOKIE in the 3rd round ..and poof he is replaced.. who needs a leader on a young team..it will be just fine..god shoot me!!!
No
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Dec 7, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Look I made fun of Ruud as much as anybody
but I still think the defense is worse without him out there telling them what to do
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
That's on Foster-right now
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Dec 7, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
should have kept him one more year
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
whoever thought that we should keep rudd should go read the posts and the threads over at the titans blog
boy do they hate rudd
by Carlitin1988 on Dec 8, 2011 12:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And if you read our blogs, you would know we hate Black.
I’m not saying I love Ruud, I just like him a lot better than Black.
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Dom gave Quincy
the contract Ruud deserved. Allowing a veteran leader to walk out and sign with the friggin A titans.
by GoBuxGo on Dec 7, 2011 2:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Quincy Black was a solid linebacker last year and the prior seasons
You can’t really blame the Bucs for not expecting this precipitous drop in play
For everyone saying wonderful things about Ruud...
…just remember that the Titans fans who posted here before our matchup all asked the same question “Can you take Ruud back?”
Neither Ruud nor Black seem to have been keepers by this point in time.
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
I'd rather have Ruud's 1 yr. contract on the books
Quincy is garbage, plain and simple. Our linebackers STINK STINK STINK!
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 7, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Black is the guy who gets paid like a leader, yet he really ain't that pumped up.
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
It's not excusable for Dom to be so naive of Black's play that he gave him a big contract.
His play did not deserve that, and even though he is 1 of 11 players on defense, he has been a big contributor as to why our defense sucks. One good player can make a big difference. They have to account for that player, which leaves holes in other areas of the field for other players to exploit. So if Dom could have seen the truth about Quincy, we could have either drafted or signed a good player to replace him, which in turn would have made us a better team.
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It's actually the second time that Dom awarded a big contract to an undeserving player - Remember Michael "StoneHands" Clayton?
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
Maybe he's a little more at fault than others are making him out to be.
He’s good at the draft, other than that I haven’t been impressed at all.
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He overpaid for Black
But it wasn’t by that much, and they can easily cut Black this year without any real consequences for the cap.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that when they resigned Black, he was a solid linebacker. The bad play didn’t start until this season.
They have been overestimating his abilities for the past three seasons though.
Every training camp since Dom took over all we heard out of camp was how explosive Black was. Or how he was going to be used as a pass rushing phenom etc. Then the season would roll around and his play was very meh. He didn’t play this bad, but he was far from great.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Oh sure, I don't disagree
But even then, he was a solid two-down linebacker who was generally in his gap and was fairly stout vs the run and a good tackler. Now he just sucks.
He was a solid linebacker
Pro Football Focus named him a “secret superstar” this offseason (and has been ranting about his poor play all season). He was a solid tackler, reasonably stout against the run, reasonable in pass coverage, and didn’t miss assignments. Can’t really ask for much more than that.
I guess he was just so unspectacular that I never noticed how solid he was last year.
And it looks like he got the Albert Haynesworth syndrome, just with far less money.
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Dominik still has to share some of the blame for this season no matter what.
Dominik is the GM and we all knew what positions we needed help with in the offseason. Did Dom’s actions or inactions hurt the team, absolutely. Morris and his crew still hold most of the blame but you can argue that with better players the team might not have been so bad (note i wrote might)….
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
We seen more talented veteran teams underperform
such as the Chargers and Eagles. The blowout loses to the Niners. Texans, Panthers or other non competitive games to the Lions and Bears have nothing to do with telent. None of the talent matters if we don’t give a damn effort in games. The roster has enough talent and should be better than 4-8.
Actually the poll is flawed
there is no option to blame the glazers, and they are the ones who truly are to blame for this mess!
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 2:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah we don't know how much of a leash they put on Dom in free agency.
We could have Jonathan Joseph and Doug Free right now.
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by jBen05 on Dec 7, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we have a WINNER!
ownership seems so disconnected from the team’s reality, doesn’t it?
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
so its Glazers fault that Dom hasn't sprung any undrafted talent unlike last season?
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
Just saying, Madu is the best person Dom could find in the world to run as #2?
Caddy could catch now and even though St.Louis tried to screen him like a WR and that failed, he put up some pretty good receiving yards for us. Madu as whatever-down back, folds like a lawn chair in the open field. so angry at football gods!
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
Glazers should have spent money on a FA RB
Darren Sproles anyone?
You gotta be kidding me, Glazers!
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 7, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
we talked about it
I know ppl here said either bush or sproles and to be honest, in hinesight, a shifty 3rd down back woulda been useful. Ruud, yes, had to go but Caddy’s position wasn’t really spoken for. Hell, did Ward ever get a call back? I got pride but Madu hasn’t offered anything.
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
pretty sure he wanted to go the saints something about family ties, a cousin or something
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know about that
But he’s a perfect fit for that offense. Not a better offense for him in the league, really.
yeah I don't remember where i read it, or heard it, but everybody needs to get over it because I don't think he would have come here anyway
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
you know he should have got, Reggie Bush.
Why? because (1) he is waaay better than lumpkin and (2) he knows the saints offense, and we just happen to play then twice a year.
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
ugh you know who we should have got
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
play them twice a year
wow I really messed up that whole comment!
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
would have been worth it
should have grabbed Peppers when he was available also
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well they fired Gruden with no real plan
promoted a d-back coach with no experience to head coach, hired jagz to run the offense then fired him promoted a proven hack named olson to replace him, hired an old washed has been named bates to run the d, then fired him, then turned over the d to your completely unexperienced head coach, does this sound like a group of people who know what hey are doing?
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
we go from authoriarian to a players coach who seems to have no respect; talk about spectrum extremes
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
Easy to look at it now and say what are they doing.
A yr ago we were saying how this team is on the rise. Lots of blame to go around but these players should be performing better. It’s like we are forgetting to play elementry football such as missed tackles, dropped balls, stupid penalties. When your winning the organization, coaches look good but once the losing starts coaches to up top don’t know what the hell they are doing a tale of 2 seasons.
I remember hating olson last year
and i said we would never go far if we didn’t replace him this year
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Still Freeman had a breakout yr
and we thought we might have ourselves the Tampa version of the triplets from seeing what Blount and MW did. I want Olsen out as much as everybody else but still when players execute he looks good when we have all the miscues like this yr he’s an idiot.
Last year I was saying how we were lucky to be barely beating some very bad teams.
They just weren’t ready to let Gruden go, their mistake.
"I'd run over my mother to win the Super Bowl." - Russ Grimm
Dude I mean its been a total collapse here in tampa
I’m so fed up with it. The only positive from last week was seeing our bookend De’s… thats about it. Atleast Gruden had the offense kicking, even if it was with mature Qb’s and fix-a-flat Fa’s.
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
I know, the past three years we haven't been able to stop the run at all.
Jones-Drew could end up with a 300 yard game on Sunday. I don’t like our odds of winning another game, and it sucks.
"I'd run over my mother to win the Super Bowl." - Russ Grimm
Including the 90’s Cowboys as teams that built through the draft doesn’t really say much here for one reason: Herschel Walker. The ’Boys got a buttload of draft picks through that trade, many of whom became big contributors. The Bucs have no comparable trade.
Also, is it too early to label Price and McCoy busts? Neither has played even half a season of ball either last year or this year. Personally, I thought they should’ve grabbed Eric Berry over McCoy.
Absolutely Dom takes blame.
Two seasons with 4 sacks? And this is from the guy who talked to the media like he WAS that leader.
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
McCoy played like a star this year
And there was nothing in his history to suggest he was injury prone, so you can’t pin his being on IR on bad scouting.
chronic injury = injury prone (triceps)
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
Biceps injuries, I think
And both to different arms (and similar circumstances: reaching out to try to slow down a running back). And I still think those are freak injuries.
Regardless, that didn’t show up in college. Dominik can’t know that that will happen, or is even remotely likely to happen.
Some busts aren't preventable
I’m not pinning it on poor scouting or evaluation; I just think theres going to be a disconnect when he thinks hes worth so much $$$ and in reality, he’s missed game and hasn’t been a force, like say AC.
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
We need a defensive coordinator
Since taking over as defensive coordinator 10 games into the 2009 season, Morris has taken the Bucs further away from their Tampa-2 roots in favor of more exotic blitz, man-to-man concepts.
What made Morris believe the young Bucs were able to execute that scheme?
“To be honest with you, the way we came out of the box,” Morris said. “We came out of the box 3-1. We come out of the box playing really fast and we got better as we moved around. People are playing fast, Mason is looking like a stud and getting better and better every week. I think he still is. He had the setback with some injuries and we lost some people and right now we’ve got some people in position trying to play and trying to play as hard as they can. Now we’ve got to give him a little bit of help.”
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
I knew this team was in trouble after the colts game
i just didn’t realize how much till later
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Will the Glazers and Dom look at FA's this offseason?
Or is their approach going to be a cheap team, with cheaper results?
What D is ranked lower than us?
Rock bottom, here we are.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 7, 2011 6:06 PM EST reply actions
last time I checked the patriots were 32 and we were 31
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
we moved up one spot we are now 30
YAY!
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah... 3 years later, and our "defensive expert" HC...
has us sitting EXACTLY where we were when he took over.
to me that's a bit misleading
greenbay and new england are ranked 31 and 32 in total yards allowed, while we have given up way more points than them, so you can draw the conclusion that they gave up those extra yards after they had allready won the game!so really we should be dead last.
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even want to know our INT total; probably 5 or something
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
Thats the real key.
Saints were like that on d when they won the super bowl. We havent really been creating alot of turnovers. I dont really care about the yards given up. But we arent getting turnovers. Thats key.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Right!
But yet Raheem is just trying to get further and further away from it. We need to get back to it. The key is using that invested front four to get pressure and get linebackers that are fast and can cover. Also our Corners have to be able to tackle. Talib is iffy at times trying to tackle. I think Biggers can be a good cover 2 cb. He cant play man on man on the outside. And we need our safetys to start playing better. Jackson will get back to where he was next season. We need to get rid of Jones and put Grimm at SS.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
To be fair,
QBs like Rodgers, Brees and Brady tear apart the cover 2. That’s why we were somewhat successful against the Packers this year. We played a lot of man, and didn’t give him the same look all the time. As offenses evolve, the defenses have to as well. The only team to really run a lot of cover 2 is the Bears, and Brees and Rodgers tore them up this year. Cover 2 is good against QBs who make a lot of mistakes.
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True
But look at how we have faired against Bress and Rodgers. The defense has really played better against them than the other teams. Like more preparation is made for them. They have a good mix of man and cover 2 that confuses them a bit. I still think that we could run the tampa 2 against those type of qbs if we got that pressure up front. The Bears seem to be they toughest defense to match up with the Packers and they run the same scheme of cover 2 mostly with some man cover at times. We just run too much man coverage.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Against Rodgers the Bucs almost exclusively played press-man
Only a handful of snaps of zone coverage. There was more zone against Brees, but again not a lot.
To run the Tampa 2 against QBs like that you basically need to be in their face with pass pressure immediately, and with that kind of pressure it doesn’t really matter what you run on the back end.
As seen by their record, no one can match up with their offense.
The only way to stop them, is to get pressure on them. If our front four isn’t doing it, then we can’t play cover 2. We have to blitz, otherwise they will tear us apart no matter what the coverage. That’s why we beat Brees the first time, he was pressured almost every play. Same with Rodgers.
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Giving up 35 points to anybody is not a good game.
Rogers had 299 yards 3 tds and 1 int, that’s not impressive at all.
"I'd run over my mother to win the Super Bowl." - Russ Grimm
True but compared to every other team we slowed him down somewhat.
still bad tho.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Yes I doubt they would stand pat.
Theres a perception of the owners being cheap and not caring but they wanna win just like every owner does. It’s the smart owners that seperate the good organizations from the bad ones. They just got complacent from winning 10 games and thinking the team will improve based on the young players making bigger strides. It backfired so I think they will be active and besides lack of attendence hurts the owners too.
I believe it was Buc Wild who mentioned the team started going down hill after the sons took over.
I truly believe the old man cared more about the team than they do, and it shows.
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 7, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
We shall see this will be a big offseason for the team.
Yr 1 of the rebuilding program was what was expected 3 wins. Yr 2 we made huge strides maybe overperferforming as far as wins based on a easy schedule. Yr 3 didn’t go like we wanted to but it did seem realistic to take a step back based on tough schedule, we wasn’t suppose to collapse like this, but still we were unlikely to make strides from last yr. There was a plan in place to build through the draft and now we have built a core 3 yrs in so the rebuilding is over. Time will tell if management will be aggressive on filling the holes and build around the core.
Dom (or people on his staff) are decent at drafting and scouring practice squads....
Trading up for Stocker was a head scratcher but other than that you can hardly blame him for the guys he drafted not being coached up to their potential.
As for the other part of talent acquisition, with the exception of Koenen (sp?) there’s not much to be impressed with on the free agent front. Ward, Clayton, Black…
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Said the same thing earlier. He's good at drafting, and horrible at everything else.
Free agents work out well for many teams, we had a bad one with Ward, but we shouldn’t be so hesitant. Look at Sproles, Peppers, Tolluch, Dansby, Thomas Jones. I could go on and on. And he sucks at evaluating our own players. How could anyone resign Clayton?
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I'm not saying everyone on our team we should get through FA, just a couple at key spots.
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Yeah we have drafted well, and got some unlucky breaks
(No pun intended). But I think in an effort to show off his drafting “prowess” he has neglected to show the other things that make a GM successful. Like resigning players that make the organization successful, and bringing in new players that make the team better.
by flash_kiley on Dec 8, 2011 1:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The coaches are the GM's responsibility too
Why didn’t we force a DC on Morris this year? The defense has been atrocious for his entire tenure now. Who lets a rookie HC be the DC too? And somebody is responsible for Jags&Bates. And then we bring up Olsen to be OC? So we have a rookie HC who is also the DC with an inexperienced OC on top of that. Why is Dom not responsible for those choices?
I don’t think the drafting has been good enough compared to the failures in coaching, free agency, and the Black/Clayton contracts. I honestly think Dom should go too.
Yugly.
Good points, I didn't consider that.
Jags and Bates were about as big a disaster there is. Just think our offense is better with Olson than Jags, and with Bates our defense was actually worse than it is now.
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You are absolutely correct
but I’m not sure that’s any more of a defense of Dom!
I guess the front office knows who decided what. Was this path thrust upon Dom from the Glazers? I have no idea, but somebody is responsible for the coaching mess. It is one thing to blame the coaches (who I think deserve it), but somebody in the front office is picking those hires pretty poorly imo.
Yugly.
oh and sweet sig; yugly is more like it
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
I will change my sig when they win a game
So far it has stuck around a lot longer than I thought it would.
Yugly.
I hear ya
Mine will remain until Opie is gone ..
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
Jags was a huge mistake
Can you picture us know? we’d still be overhauling our personel for the zone scheme!
The ship is underwater. Hard to stay afloat when Olsons IQ is weighing down the floor.
"We're gonna score points and eat bacon."
“Any questions?” – Jagz
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
yikes
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 8, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Jagz disappeared from the radar really quickly
Moved to the UFL as a head coach, got fired there after just one season. And now he’s doing nothing. Looks like he interviewed for Tulane, but didn’t get it.
yep he coached the Omaha Nighthawks
had a bunch of ex-buc players on his squad
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 8, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
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