Carolina Panthers Bring Coaching Demons
by Buc Wild on Dec 5, 2011 4:00 PM EST
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It's difficult to not draw some similarities between two games that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have played. The most recent game was this past week, Week 13 of the NFL season. Our opponent was the Carolina Panthers who used a strong run game on their part and ineffective offense on our part to win the game. This game sent the Bucs to last in the division and gave them their 6th straight loss in a row. The Bucs were manhandled in all respects and did not deserve to win.
Rewind a few years ago and we'll find a game against the Carolina Panthers that has some vague similarities. This game was at Carolina, but that didn't stop the Panthers from running all over us while our offense stalled for most of the night (minus an absurd catch by Antonio Bryant). We'll remember that game for a few reasons. It was supposed to be our return to the national stage. Instead, the loss sent us reeling and ended with us losing 4 straight (including the Panthers game) and missing the playoffs by allowing then league doormat Oakland to destroy us at home. That 4 game slide started by the Panthers led to Jon Gruden and his Super Bowl ring being fired. Of course, the next head coach is the man who helms the ship currently, Raheem Morris.
The Panthers were supposed to be a team we could beat, a division foe that we could at least use to notch a win. But with the loss on Sunday, it opens up the door to another late season swoon that may again cost a coach his job. We're already on the 6th game of the slide, and there is no doubt if we add 4 more to that total, Morris should be gone.
Maybe I'm the only one that draws the comparison, but it's not hard to see that late season matchups with the Panthers end up costing the team more than a W, it may for the second time in 4 years cost a coach his job.
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I was just having that convo with my GF. I brought up the 2008 game. Man that was a sight to see. I honestly believe that Morris is axed if we finish 4-12. If the Glazers could let Gruden go, what makes Morris think he is safe?
by Marlon The Okayplayer on Dec 5, 2011 4:14 PM EST reply actions
To go 10-6 then 4-12 the following year is completely ridiculous
When your team sucks so bad that your timeslot is replaced with a 2hr vaccumm cleaner infomercial marathon, I think its time to close shop! Our OC sucks, nobody is showing up to play including our “franchise” qb! Blount only wants to play a solid drive every game and Benn ain’t even on the field on passing downs. Oh yeah and since Dom wanted to build through the draft and not pick up Joseph, this upcoming season we’re probably going to lose Talib And watch Barber retire. So what, Mack or Biggers will be our #1 when he’s really only a dime / nickle backup (in this passing era..pffft)?
I want to apologize for my vigorous frustration regarding the bucs MNF vs the Colts. I've presented resentment towards Kerry Collins in a unproductive way. In 2010, the Bucs went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. All offseason, people brushed off my favorite franchise, The Bucs, as a nobody since it was its bookmark was off an "easy schedule". Well coming into our only primetime game, the Colts are in shambles, that will only contribute to us , again, not beating anybody solid.
Scarily possible :/
You might have just given me something to have a nightmare about tonight. I really hope that Talib’s issues is resolved minimally and we can team him up with Claiborne or Kirkpatrick. Having Laron Landry next to Tanard wouldnt be bad either.
Great comparisons.
Yea that 2008 game was tough. That was the beginning of the end. At least the 2008 was close.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
So a single win at Jax saves him?
That’s a pretty low standard.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 5, 2011 5:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
When we almost lost
to the Browns, or when we almost lost to the Bengals, or when we were trounced by the Steelers, or when were trounced by the Saints the first time. There are probably a few other times when the 10-6 season was ugly too.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 5, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
The ugly part happens...
the the organization believes it is actually better than it is – and does not adequately improve against the rest of their own division. I believe that stupid 10-6 record was the worst possible thing that could have happened to a young team with an inexperienced coach.
They read, and believed, their own press clippings. If you take 4 games from 2010, and if the weak teams we beat make just one less mistake, or we make just one more, we go 6-10. That is how precarious and misleading our 10-6 season was… and now we have this.
They don't call it a game of inches for no reason.
A ball bouncing a different way for many teams could win or lose them a couple games, so you can’t make it seem like the Bucs are the only team to get some lucky breaks. If you remember, we could have won a game against the Falcons and Lions if a play or two went differently. Then we would have been 12-4 with one of the best records in the NFL.
Oderint dum metuant
Not with the talent we have...
we are very thin at LB and DB – mainly because Rah/Dom will not stop digging through the trash for players. If you don’t bring in good players, the competition for the positions during camp is low. You will have an eventual winner, but that does not make him talented.
Huge overhauls at the LB and DB positions, which must include veteran F/As, is required to make any progress forward. Our current plan is sucky.
I wouldn't call it ugly
But I wouldn’t call it pretty either. Except for the last four games. That game against Seattle was awesome.
Not many teams win pretty all the time, and you have some pretty high expectations if you expect your team to.
Oderint dum metuant
Oh, sure
The point is more that though the Bucs went 10-6, they didn’t have the quality of many other 10-6 teams that year. So basically: their record was better than their quality.
We definitely overachieved last year, and it was a product of our schedule.
That’s why I don’t understand why everyone expected us to do so well this year with a much tougher schedule. We have showed our true colors this year, and our talent level is not yet there yet.
Oderint dum metuant
We showed our true colors this year that's for sure
3 years into a major rebuild and we are still a double digit season losing team.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 5, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
2 of the 3 "Rah/Dom" years have been complete disasters...
and 2010 was extremely misleading. Because you can beat CLE, CIN, SEA, WAS, SF, ARI, STL and CAR twice does not make you good.
If they are D students, and you make straight Cs – are you a Rhodes Scholar?
But people never did expect the Bucs to do better this year
Consensus was a 9-7 team and no playoffs. What people (and I) wanted to see was an improvement in quality of play. That didn’t happen, and that’s the big disappointment.
It's hard to have an improvement in quality of play when you starting QB goes from throwing 25tds/6ints to 12tds/16ints.
That is a huge difference, and that will cause you to lose more no matter how good the defense is.
Oderint dum metuant
Sure
But that lack of improvement shows up in more spots than just the QB position. The pass defense is worse, the run defense is worse, the receivers are worse. Only special teams and the running game have improved.
So our seasons will alternate between...
good one year and bad the next. Now where have I seen that before?
Hah
I think the Bucs do have the talent base to turn into a consistently good team. But it will sadly take longer than I had hoped.
That's what worries me about a soft schedule next year
if rah is still coach he could make it back to 10-6, and get a contract extension, then what, another single digit wining season in 2013, when does this merry go round end?
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 5, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
By 2013 we should have almost completely build this team through the draft.
I would be so mad at that point if we managed another single digit win season.
Oderint dum metuant
Mainly because we are the same team as the 2010 team...
literally… the exact same team. But DET, CAR, SF, ARI, CIN, etc. have all improved themselves in some way.
We signed a punter and everyone is shocked that we suck… DER!
The nacho cheese may be better now too...
but we still get our *ss handed to us by the better teams. That much has not changed.
A lot of people were saying 10-6/11-5
how many of them are now making excuses for the current regime?
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 5, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I know exactly what I said:
9-7 miss the playoffs this year, with breakout year next season and a playoff appearance, wow was I wrong or what
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 5, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Well last year I was wrong about the final record...
but obviously not about the team. We were bad then too, and Freeman has run out of magic pixie dust.
I said 9-7 as well.
You never know, if Free can pull his head out of his butt, then we could still have a breakout season next year with an influx of talent.
Oderint dum metuant
No... I don't think we can
even with an easier schedule. Sean Jones, Elbert Mack, Cody Grimm should not even be able to make our roster much less start.
Maybe getting a LaRon Landry from the skins would help out our run defense and upgrade our safety position.
Oderint dum metuant
upgrade pass defense as well
the guy is pure athlete at a position we need it. I believe Tanard will knock his rust off during the offseason and training camp so two playmakers on the back end will be a tremendous boost.
speaking of Freeman
even when we were winning last year I said olson sucked and needed to go, I got blasted by people who said getting rid of olson would hurt Freeman’s progress, lol at that!
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 5, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
I totally saw this coming back in May
http://www.bucsnation.com/2011/5/22/2184389/why-the-buccaneers-will-suck-in-2011
(let’s ignore the positive articles I wrote, shall we? ;-))
wow
i just skimmed through the article and the comments, the one towards the end about beating carolina was pretty funny, no offense to the guy who wrote it
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 5, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I can't blame Carl, Tampa kicks their fans in the teeth all the time
I want to apologize for my vigorous frustration regarding the bucs MNF vs the Colts. I've presented resentment towards Kerry Collins in a unproductive way. In 2010, the Bucs went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. All offseason, people brushed off my favorite franchise, The Bucs, as a nobody since it was its bookmark was off an "easy schedule". Well coming into our only primetime game, the Colts are in shambles, that will only contribute to us , again, not beating anybody solid.
So who replaces Rah? Olson? and the rest of the staff?
Do you want Dom’s head too? New owners? Who’s out there who will make this as you say low quality team of players all of a sudden a great team?
Reid at the helm, and he brings:
Norv turner for the offense and del rio for the D.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 6, 2011 12:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That wouldn't be so bad!?
Norv has developed alot of players offensively and Del Rio is a favorable DC.
I want to apologize for my vigorous frustration regarding the bucs MNF vs the Colts. I've presented resentment towards Kerry Collins in a unproductive way. In 2010, the Bucs went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. All offseason, people brushed off my favorite franchise, The Bucs, as a nobody since it was its bookmark was off an "easy schedule". Well coming into our only primetime game, the Colts are in shambles, that will only contribute to us , again, not beating anybody solid.
I know one thing
If this offseason comes a goes again and we were as quiet as a mouse fart not even making a effort to sign someone during free agency, the entire front office need to move shop IMMEDIATELY… Its crazy to believe that Dom & Rah want to build this team like the Packers, Steelers, Patriots through the draft. Every team cant be handled the same way because every team isnt built the same way. All three of those teams have elite established QB’s while we have talented guy still learning. He needs as much help as possible and drafting young guys to play with him isnt gonna cut it. He needs to vets to teach him about coverages and the nuances of defenses either from a veteran playmaking reciever or a veteran QB back up.
Right on- get Freeman some playmakers
Or else he will be on the list of ex-buc QB’s to win a superbowl.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 6, 2011 1:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
People need to stop comparing us to elite teams that build thru the draft.
We can’t build thru the draft like that because we lack good coaches to build the talents of those we draft.
But those teams had to start somewhere
And those coaches only became good when they started winning. As was pointed out, McCarthy got his share of complaints only the way.
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