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Brian Price got sent home for his penalty - was that the right call?

At the end of the third quarter the Tampa Bay Buccaneers still had a chance to win the game. They were down 31-12 at that point, and it was a very small chance. But the defense had just forced a 3rd-and-14 and were likely to get the ball back with good field position. This would be their last real chance to win the game - and then Brian Price got called for a 15-yard personal foul, and all that evaporated.

Raheem Morris' reaction was very simple: he exploded. He sent Brian Price home. Not just to the locker room, but home. Clearly Raheem Morris was sending a message here: he would not tolerate stupid penalties any longer. The Bucs have been trying to eliminate those penalties all season, and they've failed

But was that the right move? Brian Price's agent certainly doesn't think so, as he contacted both the St. Petersburg Times and ESPN to make a statement on the matter.

And in this case, I agree with Brian Price's agent. Not because I think sending a message isn't right, but because this is terribly inconsistent of Raheem Morris. Why did he make that move now, and not when Aqib Talib cost the Bucs a goal-line stop in London, or when Kellen Winslow cost the Bucs a sure field goal in Tennessee? Penalties have been an issue all season long, and the Bucs haven't sent a player home before despite multiple opportunities to do so.

Star-divide

Some may compare this to Vernon Davis being sent to the locker room during a game by Mike Singletary. By all accounts that changed Davis' life as a pro, and he's been a model citizen ever since. That's not a great comparison, because Vernon Davis had a history of selfish behavior at that point. Brian Price has no such history. In fact, this is the first time he's been called for a penalty in his NFL career that was not a defensive offside penalty or something similar.

That doesn't absolve Price, of course. The penalty was stupid and not deserving of any praise. He was very publicly sent home, a drastic move for any coach. And drastic moves like that only come when a coach doesn't know what else to do. Clearly Raheem Morris has tried everything to cut out penalties, and it isn't working. So Morris tried this: publicly burning down a player for a stupid penalty.

After protecting Aqib Talib in London and not mentioning Kellen Winslow last week, Brian Price now gets the short end of the stick, even though Price has not had any real issues with penalties before. That's not fair to Price, and a drastic move like that makes it seem like Raheem is losing his grip on the team.

Was sending Price home the right move to make, or is Raheem Morris losing his team?

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too little to late imo

and just like w/the 49ers this team has given up on their coach and that will be the reason he will be done at the end of this year. this was the game they needed to win to save their coaches jobs, the final score shows that the players have given up on the year and this staff.

while i hate losing im glad we didnt beat the packers (b/c we didnt derserve to break their streak) and that we lost today to show management/owership that this team needs some major changes.

bucs fan landlocked in denver

by jjklein80 on Dec 4, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

as a side note madonna is the SB halftime entertainement

who is in charge of these things? someone is getting paid way too much money.

bucs fan landlocked in denver

by jjklein80 on Dec 4, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha, they will never learn their lesson.

Either too crappy or too edgy. Madonna will be the latter.

Formerly UNFNole

by MNeilson on Dec 5, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

also agree it was a little too late

and not focused at the real perpetrators of a lot of our dumbass penalty problems.

Who leads the team in personal fouls? I’m willing to wager it’s Trueblood (he’d been that before). So why does Price get the banhammer? Because of 1) poor timing and 2) making himself the focus of Raheem’s toxic anger.

Toxic anger is something where you allow the little indignities and slights and things that normally cause anger responses to build up over time without productive release. And then what happens is that one little “wafer thin mint” of a trigger sets you off and you end up actually attacking someone or something that really isn’t causing most of your problems. (Yes, I took anger management lessons as part of my depression therapy)

Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!

by witty on Dec 4, 2011 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

Trueblood hasn't had many personal fouls

"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Dec 4, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Complete over reaction by morris

Talibs was way worse and he’s older he should have known better

by Carlitin1988 on Dec 4, 2011 10:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Very weak and obviously a move made out of frustration

Raheem must be feeling the heat to lash out publicly like that. Why I don’t get is why he doesn’t lash out at Greg Olson in the same way for calling predictable and sucky plays?

by Cracker Ball on Dec 4, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

A little to little and too late, he tried and failed to set an example with the wrong player!

Rah has lost it. He had the opportunity this season before this with a more deserving player (Talib). He has lost the players, fans and hopefully now the owners respect and trust…

This sounds and feels to me like the last straw. Good bye raheem, good luck with your future endeavors…. Whatever!!!!

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Dec 5, 2011 1:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great Move

I’m tired of watching people do stupid things on the Bucs. You get a 15 yard personal foul you go home. He’s lucky he wasn’t cut on the spot. Only thing that I like that Raheem has done all season.

by TampaTornado on Dec 4, 2011 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

Cut on the spot ?

Do you see an overwhelming amount of, talent to cut possibly our best defensive tackle

by Carlitin1988 on Dec 4, 2011 11:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

No doubt!

There are ther more deserving players that this should of happened too. Rah is an idiot…

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Dec 5, 2011 1:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not in this instance.

He said that is all they talk about all the time is eliminating the stupid penalties. No one else had committed a stupid penalty, so why should another player get sent home. Brian Price was sent home because he wasn’t thinking, and Morris decided that sending him home will be a wake up call to him and everyone else.

Oderint dum metuant

by jBen05 on Dec 5, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Last thing we need is building bad blood with our best players such as brian price

I often wonder who’s gonna wanna stay after all those rookie contracts are up

by Carlitin1988 on Dec 4, 2011 11:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

does anyone know what he did

rumors are that the stomped on a player while on the ground a la Suh style; if thats the case maybe Morris was trying to be proactive so he didnt get suspended for 2 games by saying he took care of it ‘in house’.

bucs fan landlocked in denver

by jjklein80 on Dec 4, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

May never know....

but I typically take what agents say with a grain of salt. It’s like Johnny Cochran saying OJ’s innocent.

Formerly UNFNole

by MNeilson on Dec 5, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure

But I really didn’t see anything that would make me believe it was anything other than a shoving match or minor fight.

by Sander on Dec 5, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It's hard to say because there still isn't any real information about what Price did to get called

But I tend to fall into the camp that says this wasn’t the best call. Price has never been a source of penalties before, and is a second year player. If any player deserved to be made an example of, it’s either Talib or Winslow, as multiple offenders who don’t seem to learn from their mistakes. Of course, Talib is Morris’ BFF- so that probably won’t happen.

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 4, 2011 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

meanwhile watching the lions implode

and dumb roughing the passer on the saints i don’t know if i have ever seen rah pull a player after a dumb penalty like the ones for talib or winslow (for at least one play); guys on both teams in this game are sitting after penalties.

bucs fan landlocked in denver

by jjklein80 on Dec 4, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It needed to be done

Brian Price took one for the team, Did he deserve this? I dont know , But I can tell you that it means Raheem is feeling the pressure. He must go!! Thats not just words, If there is a chance of being good in the next five years, he must go. The players dont need friends coach. They have friends. They need a leader. You sir are not a leader of men.

by BucPetty on Dec 4, 2011 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

As this is making national news

Brian Price will be judged a selfish player by millions of NFL fans that don’t know any better. He isn’t selfish and he doesn’t have a history of dumb penalties. Totally inappropriate for Morris to throw Price under the bus.

At the same time, I’m sure Morris is sick of hearing about how he doesn’t discipline his team. He probably wanted the public to know that yes, he is holding player’s accountable. I’m sure Morris is frustrated and it’s showing. I think this was to shut the fans and media up about discipline problems more than anything.

Sucks that Price had to be the whipping boy when so many other players deserved it more. He should have sent the whole starting defense home for the 4th quarter and put in the scrubs. Now that would have sent a message.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 4, 2011 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

Whole starting defense except for our DE's

"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Dec 4, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Price

No, it wasn’t right. Morris doesn’t have a clue about how to handle players, which is what a team gets when it hires a head coach who has no previous head coaching or even coordinator experience in the NFL and who isn’t much older than his players. Sorry but Morris is just in way over his head, he needs to go and fast before this team sinks to the level of the 1980s Hugh Culverhouse Bucs (if it isn’t already there).

by Sweet Ed on Dec 5, 2011 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

Winning is a cure-all.

Solve the talent problem and things will quiet down and control is “re-gained.” This was never a 3 year process.

Formerly UNFNole

by MNeilson on Dec 5, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

It probably donned on Rah that he might lose his job..

And I find it rather petty to single out one player. Last time I checked, football is a team sport and with 22 starting positions, who all have their hand in the cookie jar, it just shows that Rah has come to grips that his tenure is beginning to look like a fluke. Price is our best DT. No need to stir him up, especially as though he has been through hell and back, and he’s still more endurable than our 1st round "mr.big talk’ dt.

I want to apologize for my vigorous frustration regarding the bucs MNF vs the Colts. I've presented resentment towards Kerry Collins in a unproductive way. In 2010, the Bucs went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. All offseason, people brushed off my favorite franchise, The Bucs, as a nobody since it was its bookmark was off an "easy schedule". Well coming into our only primetime game, the Colts are in shambles, that will only contribute to us , again, not beating anybody solid.

by Titankillah on Dec 5, 2011 1:02 AM EST reply actions  

cosign

Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!

by dcbucsfan on Dec 5, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not like Morris sent him home and nothing else will be said.

He is close with all his players, and I’m sure they will talk it out. Morris had to make a statement, and Brian Price just did something stupid at the wrong time. This is the line that many parent have to draw with their kids at some point. They have to let their children know that they are not their friends but their parent. Raheem had to do the same, he had to show them he isn’t a fellow player, but a coach who will demand the most out of his players for the rest of his tenure here.

Oderint dum metuant

by jBen05 on Dec 5, 2011 1:14 AM EST reply actions  

It's a lot easier to send Price home

from RayJay than Talib or Winslow from London or Tennessee. My guess is that they’ve previously done other forms of “punishment” to deter these types of stupid penalties (run gassers, etc) and they haven’t worked. Because this was a home game, Morris probably told them before the game that it wouldn’t be tolerated this time around and made a demonstration of it with Price. I have no problem with it. Any other methods of correcting these things hasn’t worked this year. Being a home game, he could use this method. Price doesn’t usually commit these types of penalties, which makes even more of a statement in that it won’t be tolerated from anybody, not even someone who doesn’t do this type of thing regularly.

I’m sorry it had to be Price to take the hit, because I really think he’s played incredibly hard this year through great adversity and should be more rewarded for his play, but a bad penalty at a bad time is just what this team continues to do to shoot itself in the foot and the message needed to be out there.

by Bruce McRae on Dec 5, 2011 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed with everything you said.

Everyone just wants to be on the bash Morris for everything he does, but this was a move that had to be done. The players just weren’t getting the message. Just like the fines weren’t working for Suh, the gassers and fines weren’t working for our team. So the only option is to take away their playing time, that’s what they really care about because they feel like they are letting their teammates down, with the exception of Haynesworth.

Oderint dum metuant

by jBen05 on Dec 5, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly stop crucifying the guy!

Its amazing how its so hard to please us as Bucs fans. Everyone has made their mind so much that they don’t like Morris that everything he does even things we criticize him for not doing we still have negative things to say out bash him. I mean come on, the guy is a coach not once have I seen him uniform up and play. Over the years fans have used the coach as a means of housing someone for a team faults. A head coach is in charge but he is also only a figurehead. The guy that accept blame that most likely isn’t his fault. He does deserve some blame, yes but stop crucifying the guy v for everything he does. I read the perfect article about us as a fanbase, we are incredibly impatient with coaches but live singing the tune for a brand new shiny big name coach but when we had a got coach (Dungy) we ask had pitch forks same as Gruden. Just last year we loved Morris and sung praises for coach of the year. Not even a year later and now look at you..

by BucFan727 on Dec 5, 2011 9:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Meh, if you make decisions of this nature

you are going to be held accountable. It all goes back to Morris, one way or another. Criticizing a coach is part of the game, man. “He is only a figurehead.” WHAT? He runs everything about the football operations. Practices, strategy, motivation, player development, managing other coaches, public face, etc. If they were only figureheads, all coaches are equal, and we know that’s not the case.

Formerly UNFNole

by MNeilson on Dec 5, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

We are now 4-9 after an epic collapse...

and we are hard to please? I don’t buy that at all. I obviously can’t speak for everyone, but I believe we just want a winner here. That does not seem too much to ask.

Sadly, I believe our team is a hot mess on several levels, and the combination is just too much to overcome without making some drastic changes:

Ownership = Fail. Obviously won’t open the purse strings to bring in what we need. They continue to have a low payroll, make a very cheap hire at HC after firing the only coach to bring a Superbowl home. Had we retained Gruden, and just allowed Rah to prove himself as DC, I think we would have had better seasons in 2009 and 2011.

Coaching = Fail. Raheem Morris should have NEVER been hired. He desperately lacks the experience required, and has never been an NFL coordinator, much less a HC on any level. In way over his head and the frustration shown by lashing out at DT Brian Price. In doing so, he may have alienated one of our best young players. Public humiliation is not the way to handle anything – especially as an adult.

Mark Dominik = Eh. Has made a few good early selections (but each one of us here has enough football knowledge to have done the very same thing) and most the late selections have stuck because we were so talent depleted, and not because they are so amazingly talented.

Players = Fail. They have clearly underperformed in most cases, but legit apathy and indifference has probably set in, and it falls directly on the HC and staff to re-energize and guide the team – it just doesn’t happen on its own. The team veteran leadership must be non-existent, and I am not sure we have any of those vocal kind of players anymore (like Brooks, Sapp, Lynch, Nickerson, etc.)

In summary, Raheem clearly has to go, and there is no question about that. Dominik may need some additional help evaluating the current NFL players. His fear of F/As is really slowing the development of this team. His collegiate drafting is not terrible, but again it could always be better.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 5, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

yes a figurehead

You are taking the term the wrong way. Yes he is the head coach, yes he is in charge, yes he id in charge if practices BUT at the end if the day these are grown men, period. One man can’t make another grown man more motivated, practice harder, or play more disciplined. This is the NFL not a little game you go watch on a Saturday morning these aren’t kids so how dare we through the “figurehead” under the bus?? Like I said Rah does deserve some fault for this epic collapse but to suit here and say its singly on his shoulders is crazy and selfish on or behalf.

by BucFan727 on Dec 5, 2011 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Who said this is 'singly on his shoulders'?

Nobody, anywhere did.

You’re getting ‘the buck stops here’ confused with ‘this is entirely your fault’.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 5, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

One is responsible for their play.

He may not be able to make them play well, but it is his responsibility to put the players on the field that consistently play well. It is his responsibility to call the defense schemes and it is his responsibility to make guys accountable for their actions. Whether that’s benching or whatever. He doesn’t do any of those things well.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 5, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

IMO the difference in a good or bad coach

Is the players attitude, which brings me 360 back to the point of these are grown men with their own mindsets and personal attitudes. I just believe too much is made of the word “motivator” in the NFL. Its solely up to the players if they wanna play up to standards. Lets be honest, could your boss motivate you to work harder at work by giving you high energy speech or is it up to the man in the mirror? Yes I did “singly” and that want the proper word to use but it does seem like receives the blunt of the criticism. And does rah not put the best playing players on the field but they don’t remonstrate consistency?? Everyone was singing ‘oh, Watson the sack savoir’ he gets increased playing time and does nothing with it. Screw Biggers lets see what Lewis has and he single handly lost the GB game for us. Put Benn in, but then he drops a pass a child could’ve made in the front yard. And I guess sending Price home want holding no one accountable huh?

by BucFan727 on Dec 5, 2011 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And instead of being rewarded for that play as you say he should be

He is now labeled a selfish player. He will be a talking point for all 232 ESPN shows that talk about the exact same things over and over.

What was the message that was sent? Don’t make dumb penalties or coach will publicly throw you under the bus and blame you for losses? Nice message.

I would rather that kind of stuff be done in house. Suspend him for the first quarter of the next game or something. Maybe Morris didn’t know it would end up on the front page of yahoo, but it still doesn’t excuse it.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 5, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, this is just getting ridiculous...

Nothing can be done to please everyone. If he disciplines guys in-house, no one hears about it, no one knows, and it looks like he’s not doing anything. If he makes them run gassers in practice, it doesn’t motivate the team, they resent it and don’t play as hard and the coach isn’t doing enough. If he kicks a guy out of the game, sends him home and publicly humiliates him on national sports networks, he’s handling it wrong and it should be kept private. So, basically, if he doesn’t do anything, does something or does something more then it’s not the right thing to do… HUH?

Maybe he didn’t “pick the right guy”, but it’s not like he told anyone to go out and do that so he could make an example of them. Price just happened to be the unlucky one that got hit with the penalty “next”. So many claim “favoritism” with Morris, but he didn’t play favorites, he played “next”. If that were Talib, I’m betting he would have been sent home too. But we’ll never know, because it was Price that committed the foul.

Maybe he should have just sat him down for a series… but most players don’t know if a guy is sitting to get some rest or because he’s “being punished”. During the game, the players will look at it as “a breather”, not punishment for a foul. Again, too much, not enough, the wrong guy… doesn’t matter what the coach will do it won’t appease the fans, their minds are already made up.

by Bruce McRae on Dec 6, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

... as it should be

out of the 3 “Rah/Dom” seasons – 2 were/are complete disasters (and played with a non-last place schedule) and then a “smoke and mirrors” 10-6 against an MAC schedule. True, we have had some turnover here from the 2008 Gruden team (but they were 9-3 at one point) but actually had some veteran leadership then. That does not make us better now – just younger.

On the positive, I do like our DL right now (Dom gets props for acquiring that), youth and talent on our offense with Freeman, Benn, Williams, Penn, Joseph and KW2 and Blount just fell from the sky into our lap (thanks TEN). Outside of that we are in some trouble. Lots of back-up quality players but no stars.

Much work is left to do (as evidenced by our 4-9 record).

by Cracker Ball on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I do like the move.... though I agree it's not applied consistently.

You bring up the Vernon Davis analogy and clearly Morris and Singletary are different coaches. However, I can think of few examples when a coach realized what he was losing control, changed his MO, and things turned around for the coach. It’s incredibly hard to regain control and I can only think of one example, Tom Coughlin, who has been able to adjust. Coughlin, however, is the first to come under fire when his team plays poorly and seems like he is constantly on the hot seat when they lose. He’s been able to salvage control of the locker room by winning and keeping critics at bay.

Formerly UNFNole

by MNeilson on Dec 5, 2011 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

What bothers me the most about this

is Morris saying he didn’t even know what he did. If that’s the case, why not just sit him for a series? It was a dumb penalty, and this team needs discipline, but this strikes me as an overreaction made out of frustration.

Whatever though. This team has much bigger issues to worry about than this, and the team is sorely lacking in accountability and discipline.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 5, 2011 8:39 AM EST reply actions  

i agree

he should have benched him for a series or two. but that move was based out of frustration and if the score was closer i think this wouldnt have happened. so then he chose that time to use some “discipline”. i was a huge rah fan too, but now i think it is the end for his youngry era…. he might be done at the end of this season.

Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!

by dcbucsfan on Dec 5, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I supported him after the 3 win season, and obviously after last season too

but we’re clearly headed in the wrong direction now. It isn’t even a question of how slowly we’re improving – we are imploding right before our eyes. I’m hard pressed to find ANY position we’ve improved at (or even held steady at) with the exception of DE. We’ve regressed almost completely across the board.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 5, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say we are clearly headed in the wrong direction.

This season, sure, but with the amount of youth / injuries this team has tried to overcome, it was going to be difficult to compete for a wild-card.

Formerly UNFNole

by MNeilson on Dec 5, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

with the amount of youth and injuries

we would be in the hunt for a wild card if we would have won the games we should have won. injuries happen all the time and aren’t the problem with us not winning.

Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!

by dcbucsfan on Dec 5, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

right

at this point i dont want morris to be fired but if he is fired i wont be mad. someone has to take the fall for this

Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!

by dcbucsfan on Dec 5, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I completely disagree with the move.

This screams of Morris’ frustration and overreaction. This was not a penatly that cost us a game. Talib’s stupid penalty (was it against the Saints?) and others have been far more costly. Morris either couldnt keep his emotions in check (it’s fine he was pissed) or he is trying to assert himself, which is dumb at this point.

Price is not a troublemaker by all accounts and to send him home after putting up with all this other BS sends a mixed message. Get booted for 54 weeks? Come on back. Get multiple personal fouls and involvd in other legal skirmishes? Come on back. Get a 15 yarder as we are getting our butts kicked? Go home. Uneven and illogical

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 5, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

It had more to do with timing, than with the individual

It’s not a mixed message. Although no player will publicly state it, I’m betting Morris made it very clear that the next “stupid” personal foul would be subject to ejection by the team. Price just happened to be next. But I’m pretty sure Talib and the rest heard the message and saw the results. Sucks that it was Price, only thing I can say is that he should still get his paycheck as he was active and played in the game, so it’s not like he was suspended without pay or anything, just used as an example that it will no longer be tolerated.

by Bruce McRae on Dec 6, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the concept of taking people out when they commit penalties,

but it should have been happening all season. If I was the coach, every time someone committed a personal foul, they’d be out for at least one full series. I don’t have a problem with Raheem as head coach, but he needs to stop being everyone’s best friend. And, like everyone else says, they need a new Offensive coordinator and he needs to hire a Defensive coordinator if he’s going to stay Head coach.

We want the ball, and we're gonna score!

by anthonyh60 on Dec 5, 2011 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

its just inconsistent on raheems part

Talib who has character issues, is the guy you do this to or kellen winslow with his horrible attitude not price who honestly looks like a good kid.

Talibs was way worse, we were still battling for a playoff spot and the game was close. prices was when the game was out of reach and players have to be frustrated with the coaching staff. not trying to excuse brian or anything but sending him home is an extreme measure when you just “talk to the other guys” about their penalties. I believe he should have been benched and that maybe would have been better because if hes watching football right in front of him then he might not commit this again.

Lets say Sander gives a warning to cracker for cursing and says dont do it again, and gives another warning for cursing to bucsfanlostiniowa and says dont do it again and then witty curses and sander bans him from bucsnation, was sander just frustrated ? maybe but you still have to treat everyone the same.

Im getting pretty tired of raheem sticking his neck out for guys like winlsow and talib who are probably worthless moral human beings and throwing guys like price under the bus and saying mccoy needs to stop playing pop warner football.

by Carlitin1988 on Dec 5, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

Some of you are just ridiculous.

Talib, Winslow, Price, Tanard, the Worldest Nicest Man….it doesn’t matter WHO it is. We had them stopped on 3rd down, opportunity to get the ball back and possibly turn the tide of the game. He sent Price home for being SELFISH and not understanding the games situation. YES, he should’ve done this before with other players but when he didn’t you guys bashed him for not doing so and being a PLAYERS coach. So NOW he sends a guy to the locker room to make a statement and show the rest of his team that it doesn’t matter WHO it is, if you mess up then there will be CONSEQUENCES…. and you guys STILL bash? He’s atoning for HIS own mistakes and try to grow as a coach JUST like he would expect his players to learn from mistakes in their past and right the ship. Too little too late blah blah blah…..it’s NEVER too late send a message to your team, and to all the young and future players of the NFL…you can be the nicest guy in the world but if you disrespect your own players and fans, it’s time to go to the locker room and look yourself in the mirror. I agree, he should’ve done this before……and Price is actually my favorite player on the Bucs seeing as he is from UCLA and I’m from L.A and my entire family are UCLA fans….but this was the right call. Price will be back and HOPEFULLY him and the rest of the team will keep in mind that NO ONES job player/coach is safe. Good call Raheem, THAT is coaching. Lets see some more of it….. (haha)

by Luckydabney7 on Dec 5, 2011 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

and

for all of you saying it should’ve been happening all season….YOUR right. So, you want him to just continue to do NOTHING about it? Just give up like the team has? HELL NO. As a fan I love the fact that he is doing anything in his power to not only correct his teams mistakes but HIS OWN. It shows growth in a coach and if teams take on the mentality of their coach then I hope THIS rubs off on the team and THEY show signs of growth as well. Better late then never I guess.

by Luckydabney7 on Dec 5, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, it was after second down

The issue isn’t really Price being sent home, it’s the inconsistent message Raheem is setting.

by Sander on Dec 5, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it was 3rd but we didn't see him walk off til 2nd down after the penalty

it’s inconsistent because he didn’t want to be the “bad guy” if he didn’t have to be, and at the time he thought he could turn it around and change the mentality with out going that direction. He’s obviously had enough of it. I don’t see so much “inconsistent” as I do he’s realizing his mistakes and fixing them. I’d rather him do that….then consistently do nothing.

by Luckydabney7 on Dec 5, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it was second down

I went back and checked. 2nd and 10, Geno tackles/sacks Newton for a 5 yard loss, then comes the personal foul negating that.

And I think that’s a fair point, but it’s very unfortunate for Brian Price and a little over the top. He went from essentially doing nothing publicly, to sending someone home. You can bench them for a series or a quarter or doing something else before having to resort to the “go home” schtick.

by Sander on Dec 5, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm. I thought it was 3rd and 15...

agreed. He could’ve been benched for a quarter or handled differently. Actually I don’t even remember seeing Price do anything wrong for the refs to call that….I think it was more of a stern message to the team that it needs to stop and stop now. It’s been an on going problem and they talk about it every week, for them to CONTINUE to get the same penalties over and over and over again is ridiculous. So I’m not against sending him to the locker room…..worked for Vernon Davis (granted he had established himself as more of a problem after plays on a regular basis)

They should never even put themselves in a situation to have an opportunity to get called. Once the whistle blows, you stop….help your fallin teammates up and get back to the huddle. THere’s no reason to even be “harmlessy” shoving after the play. It does nothing. It holds no purpose in the game of football. In the grand scheme of things…..sending him home didn’t hurt the team. It just set a tone (finally), and I’d like to see more of that style of coaching…maybe not to that extent but some sort of discipline.

by Luckydabney7 on Dec 5, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Price got into a fight

And according to JoeBucsFan there was some footage on WFLA that maybe showed Price stomping on an arm, but it was inconclusive. Regardless, what Price actually did doesn’t really matter for what Raheem did: he said he never got a look at what Price did.

And I agree that it’s stupid and foolish. I don’t have a problem with punishing players for that. I just don’t like the inconsistency, that’s all.

by Sander on Dec 5, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah ok

so you’re ok with the discipline aspect……but you would like to see it more consistently and less extreme?

Btw, in your article above you said it was 3rd and 14 and then Brian Price got a penalty….? Where did you just get the 2nd and 10 from?

by Luckydabney7 on Dec 5, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I said the defense had just forced 3rd-and-14

Which is what they did. They tackled Newton for a four-yard loss on second down = 3rd-and-14.

by Sander on Dec 5, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely right

If he does nothing, fans complain. If he does something privately (in-house) fans complain because they don’t “see” anything being done. If he does something that’s not very extreme and doesn’t work (like running gassers in practice), fans say he’s not doing enough. And when he finally does enough, it’s to the “wrong guy” or it’s “inconsistent”. Well, yeah, it’s inconsistent because what was done before didn’t work. If he stayed consistent with what’s not working it still won’t work. So, he changed (became inconsistent) and it happened to be when one of the harder working guys on the team does something stupid (fighting) negating a positive play for the team (exactly what everyone has been complaining about) and it’s the “wrong guy”. No, Price was the guy that got into the fight. It’s said that he wasn’t the first to throw a punch, but that’s also usually the way it is, the second guy gets caught.

My question is…. If he continues this way, sending players to the locker room for stupid penalties at inopportune times of the game, for the last four games of the season (regardless of who the player is that commits the foul) would you support that then????

by Bruce McRae on Dec 6, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

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