Tampa Bay Buccaneers Issues
by Buc Wild on Dec 4, 2011 4:55 PM EST
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PrintI'm not writing this as a member of the BN staff, but rather as a fan. I think we're all past the point of being disappointed and leaning more towards either apathy or anger. I've been a season ticket holder for the last 6 years and seen some highs and lows over the years. My observations aren't concrete by any means, but I feel like are founded enough to share with everyone. I'm sure some of you have thought some of these same things.
The Bucs are a slow, lazy team. They start slow (duh) and take a long time to get going. My only thought is, at least for home games, we warm up about 30 minutes after the opposing teams. We come out later than they do and later than Bucs teams did in the past. In fact today, we didn't have the whole team out until 12:15ish. The Panthers were out around 11:30.
Some small stupid things. Walking off the field at the end of the half, the Panthers (and other opposing teams) run off the field. The Bucs walk off the field. Probably means nothing, but it's a difference worth pointing out.
Penalties and undisciplined play. We can't have personal fouls every single game. We can't have dumb drive killing penalties on offense. We have to figure out how to play smarter and to be honest, this has been an issue for 20+ games. Maybe we just don't have the right people in place. Every single game we hear Raheem say in the post game conference that we have to play smarter, yet we don't. That means either Morris is delivering the message poorly or the players aren't receiving his message. Either way, he has to change it up. This team lacks discipline and I don't see the hustle that others talk about on a day to day basis.
I'm not reporting this next point, just passing it along. For one, I know it's a very touchy topic, but two, it'll drive the comment count up (ha)
Hurting Morris is a perception that he doesn’t command respect/fear in the locker room. The players call him "Rah," and the recent thumb injury to Josh Freeman at a shooting range will do nothing to change the notion that Morris doesn’t sufficiently control the locker room.
Morris is definitely on the hot seat, and you can name a half dozen reasons as to why he is.
At the game today, the Bucs consistently were out of position on defense and running around at the last second to line up. That's terrible. Their tackling is not getting better and we have no gap discipline. It's very frustrating to have to watch this garbage.
On offense, our OL is just bad with Blount or the RB flavor of the day consistently having to make cuts 5 yards deep in the backfield. Faine continues to whiff on blocks (though I was impressed with Penn today).
Overall, it's just a bad team that has the same talent, if not more than last year. We've regressed horribly in discipline, and fundamentals and struggle to maintain the integrity of our schemes.
Make no mistake, this is my complaint thread, at least for today, but I'm not abandoning ship. Just pointing out what we all know, that we are not a good team and we have a ton to fix.
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I bet a new, more respected/feared head coach
would turn a lot of this around. Not sure there’s a Jim Harbaugh-type out there this offseason, though.
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Fire the HC and OC, and get rid of Dominik for giving Black and that OL all that money.
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Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
LOL
So what do you call Blount getting hit 3 yards behind the LOS on nearly every run today?
Blounts yards after contact and Freeman’s elusiveness (last year) have really painted this false picture of the OL. They’re not good. They make too many holding penalties too.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
The offensive line had a bad game run blocking today
On the season they’ve been very good at that. And they’ve been solid as a pass protecting unit all season, and had a very good game in pass protection today.
The offensive line is probably the most consistent unit on the team. They’re not the reason the Bucs have lost six straight games.
The O-line is the most consistent unit on a very inconsistent team
Faine really cost us today with that mistimed snap- that’s a rookie mistake. It’s been said before many times, but Trueblood is a mediocre player at best. That said, we have too many other issues to focus too much on the O-line right now.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
The glazers totally screwed us fans when they forced this dud on us, anointing him as the next mike tomlin.
Hey glazers how’s that on the job training working out for you? Just goes to show you don’t have to be smart to be billionaires. Just think about all the worthy candidates who were leapfrogged by this clown, don’t you think a lot of guys were pissed off by the glazers dumb ass move.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 5:22 PM EST reply actions
hindsight?
you want to talk about hindsight? how about foresight, why not have the foresight to see that hiring a clown with zero experience, especially one so young was never going to work!
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Except it has worked on previous occasions for different teams
You mentioned one yourself just now: Mike Tomlin.
Yeah just hand the keys to a multi-million dollar franchise to a total zero
and tell him to learn as you go, yeah like that was really going to work
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
And it has worked for plenty of franchises in the past
Going with young coaches with little experience is a risk. When you take a risk, there’s a chance it doesn’t work. That it didn’t work doesn’t mean it was doomed to fail.
Tomlin has WAY more experience.
We’ve been saying it all along Morris was a bad idea.
"I'd run over my mother to win the Super Bowl." - Russ Grimm
Plus... PIT was a much better team
so it would make for an easier transition, and they were not in the middle of a major rebuilding situation.
Tomlin started coaching in 1995 and was a position coach, then coordinator, then HC.
Morris started in 1998, and for the most part was an assistants assistant (go get my coffee boy), spent part of a year as a DC in college before coming back to the Bucs and getting his dream job.
Besides, it’s hard to compare them because Tomlin was taking over a team that had just won the Super Bowl, but I would take Tomlin over Morris, then and now.
"I'd run over my mother to win the Super Bowl." - Russ Grimm
the steelers are not the bucs
even rahdumb the clown could win with that team
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
no not what I'm saying
but the dream is no mike tomlin that’s for sure
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
the defense he ran at k-state was a pretty good clue
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
What, one year into installing a scheme?
You can’t draw a lot of conclusions from that. Besides, they didn’t ask him to run the defense. They asked him to be the head coach. Jim Bates was supposed to run the defense.
why did he only last a year at k-state?
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
so he left a job as a dc, to be an assistant coach
would you call that a lateral move or something else?
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
you know what at this point I don't even care anymore
Rah sucks, the glazers are stupid, and the team has lost three years, don’t want to debate it anymore, it’s depressing and tiresome
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's a move from college to the NFL
Plenty of coaches make that kind of move, yes. Mostly it would depend on the money, and I have no idea what he was paid either in college or the NFL.
BFLii, I won't argue with you about whether or not Morris is a good HC or not..
But don’t take away what he was as a defensive assistant coach, he is one of the best.
Go do your homework, go look up K states defensive stats from 2005, then what they did in 2006, then 2007 after he left. Its not even debatable. Know your facts. Tomlin left AFTER Morris, or Morris would have stayed to be DB coach. Thats why he came back after one year. You may end up being right on this whole Raheem HC thing, but he was/is a great DB coach at the very least.
Bucs motto since 1996- No excuses, No explanations.
by Niko's Best Bucs Videos on Dec 4, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
why don't you try reading more and posting less
I just said I was too tired and too depressed to debate it any more
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm wasn't totally against the hiring of Raheem,
but to be perfectly fair to Mike Tomlin, all one had to do to understand the difference between the two is listen to them speak. Tomlin is clearly an intelligent individual while Raheem…. Well, not so much.
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Oh, nonsense
Raheem Morris is a fast talker (literally, not figuratively). He was a terrible public speaker early on. He’s clearly worked on it and is much better at it now.
None of that makes him not intelligent. You can’t be not intelligent and rise through the coaching ranks as quickly as he does, and he clearly shows he understands the game in his press conferences.
his quick rise has more to do with the glazers stupidity
and less to do with his intelligence
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
He went from Defensive Backs coach to Head Coach in the blink of an eye. That was not a planned ascension, it was a knee-jerk reaction and a gamble. They tried and I’m fine with that, but it’s proven to have been a mistake.
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
I disagree...
I can judge a person’s intelligence by hearing them speak and looking into their eyes. Morris is an idiot. An idiot that knows football, but an idiot nonetheless. As for showing he understands the game in press conferences, so could a lot of people, that doesn’t make them intelligent or suitable head coaches.
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Our team can't hang their hat on either side of the ball.
Our MVP’s right now are Connor Barth and Micheal Koenen…enough said
by flash_kiley on Dec 4, 2011 5:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
still a bit raw, the two of them, but they seem to be the only ones burning the field when they're out there
I am wondering whatever happened to Mason Foster?
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
He does things, just not consistently enough- He's a rookie though
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
We aren't even playing hard.
Even the Colts showed more life today than us. We looked absolutely turrible, and it might be time for a regime change. Heads are about to start rolling.
McCoy comes back next year in limited capacity, then ladies and gents, we drafted a #3 overall dud. That will set this franchise back atleast a year.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 4, 2011 5:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We even have freaking Haynesworfless!
Knuckle headed turrible!!
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 4, 2011 5:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This season is mind-numbing.
Before the season, I predicted 8-8/9-7 for the Bucs, but with this reprehensible loss, 4-12 sounds very real at the moment. At the very least, I’ll say 6-10.
by TB86 on Dec 4, 2011 5:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Your first comment was correct..
They WILL NOT win another game!!!! 4 – 12…
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Dec 5, 2011 2:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
There MUST be consequences
I’ve got club seats. I attend every draft in NYC. I believed in the re-build, and was excited.
But even I am completely done with this team right now. This is a joke. Need VETERANS and real leadership.
Glazers better act fast, or they will lose the little fan support they still have.
The HC brings fan support for about half a season
by Sander on Dec 4, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is exactly half a season more that we got...
and also gives you something to get excited about – unlike an untested, unproven DB coach prematurely given a HC position.
I still can’t believe people are surprised the “experiment” didn’t work.
I don't really care about getting excited for something
Or whether fans will be excited about it for half a season. I care whether it’s the right move in the long term for the franchise – in terms of wins.
by Sander on Dec 4, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You forget that you live across the pond...
and the Bucs fans in Tampa would love to have a winner there – not exclusively for themselves, but also for community pride as well. You can go to work, school or whatever you do, and not be reminded of team failings. People that live and work there hear and talk of it constantly, and it has to be depressing.
Which is why I want the Bucs to do the right thing for the franchise in terms of winning games
Regardless of whether the community gets excited by a name or not.
So what should they do...
in your opinion?
by Cracker Ball on Dec 4, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Its obvious isnt it?
Get rid of Raheem….
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Dec 5, 2011 2:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't rightly know
I don’t have a great feel for which coach would fit best, whether Raheem can salvage the team etc.
which coach?
Leeman Bennett is what you guys really deserve.
Beware!!
by Creamsicle Power on Dec 8, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, been there, done that.
We need Rich Kotite.
"I'd run over my mother to win the Super Bowl." - Russ Grimm
Not so sure about that.
Consistent winning will for sure, but they didn’t sell out the home opener after narrowly missing the playoffs last year with a lot of buzz heading into the season. I think local people are pretty turned off by this team right now.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
They have every right to be... and it is pretty atrocious right now
There is a terrible apathy now and I tend to believe a good coach is different enough from the current situation to give some hope.
we need a change at head coach and offensive coordinator. thats it, plain and simple.
Losing like this to the panthers when were supposed to want that 5 game losing skid out of our heads, no way. fire Olson, Raheem, and put Dom on check . Some of us are wondering if we should let Raheem have that last year but honestly the only way were gonna win next year is if we have a new coach on both sides of the ball, this isnt working.
Heard an interesting comment the other day and was thinking about it today.
The Bucs started their downhill slide when Malcolm Glazer had his stroke and his sons took over. Could just be coincidence, but you never know.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I believe this season started to spiraled
After that schlacking to the Bears in London followed by the breast down by NO after the by week. That’s when ask the disconnect happened with the players
by BucFan727 on Dec 4, 2011 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The payroll certainly took a downhill slide.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Good perspective on the warm up. I think its more than a small deal.
We are all outsiders, and we don’t have a clue what the real issues are, but I know one thing.
Everyone on this site knows what a Morris supporter I am, but I’m a Bucs fan first.
These next four games are going to tell me whether or not I want Morris back as my coach next year. I don’t count todays game because Freeman didn’t play. Say what you want. Who is our best player? Freeman. He didn’t play, so I can’t count this game in all fairness.
Its not even a ’win two games" or anything like that, its how they play. Because Im tired of defending someone for three years to be honest, regardless of if he is right or wrong.
The bottom line is there are 6 losses in a row. 6! That means SOMETHING must be changed. Id prefer for Morris to give up DC jobs, and Im even now in favor of replacing Ollie as OC. But these next four games, If I don’t see improvement, and I don’t care who is playing, I will call for Morris’ job myself.
Bucs motto since 1996- No excuses, No explanations.
by Niko's Best Bucs Videos on Dec 4, 2011 6:33 PM EST reply actions
Say what you want about Freeman, or about not counting this game
but what about the defensive performance? Freeman has almost zero to do with the defense and JJ didnt play badly. The defense is just awful and has not improved at all.
I think there are several moves that need to be made, the least is Morris giving up the DC job.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
i think morris and the whole staff will be gone
this was the game that they needed, its one thing to be 3rd in your division and claim that you need more time to develop but to be last (which i think they will finish this season b/c i dont think we beat the panthers on the next game) is not acceptable. this team as regressed in all areas of the team and i dont think morris and this staff survive this season.
bucs fan landlocked in denver
You think this offense puts up enough points to win this game with Freeman?
I totally disagree with that. The score might have been a little more respectable, but with the defense giving up those two opening drives we didn’t have a chance because Olson, in typical knee jerk fashion, gave up on the run.
Maybe with Freeman they would have had to play a little more honest defense, but our defense was so bad we would have lost no matter what.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Yes, LeeCaz, I know the game would have been different with Freeman..
Im not saying we would have won, or what the difference would have been, but Josh Freeman is not just an important player, he is the Quarterback, the only player who touches the ball on every offensive possession, and he is the best player on the team, arguably, but still.
So I can’t evaluate a game like that, heck I didn’t even watch it or go to it, and you guys know what the Orange uniforms mean to me, but I viewed the game like a preseason game. Just my opinion.
Like I said, next four, and I can make up my mind.
Bucs motto since 1996- No excuses, No explanations.
by Niko's Best Bucs Videos on Dec 5, 2011 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
listened to it on the radio
Bucs motto since 1996- No excuses, No explanations.
by Niko's Best Bucs Videos on Dec 5, 2011 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
After Watching the game closely.....
There may have been a different game or outcome with Freeman, but it offers no excuse or reason for the defense to play as poor as it did. The Bucs in general played poorly, and coaching is without a doubt to blame.
Peronally, on my site, Im calling for change. Im 50/50 on Morris staying as Head Coach, mostly because a good deal is not his fault. He was given no Free Agents, no help with veteran leadership, and then they are going to fire him and bring in free agents? That makes no sense. But without a doubt Morris must remove himself as DC, and Greg Olsen needs to be replaced. Both of these were interim coaches when the original were fired.
Bucs motto since 1996- No excuses, No explanations.
by Niko's Best Bucs Videos on Dec 5, 2011 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
No doubt Morris didn't get much help this offseason
but the team talent is virtually the same as last year (minus Ruud). All other positions are the same or have been upgraded and that’s the performance we come up with? Embarrassing.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
IMO there is NO reason to keep a flailing HC
when you decide both coordinators need to be replaced. Especially when one of those coordinators that needs to be fired is the head coach.
It is time for Morris to go.
Yugly.
As far as your point on the little things (running to the locker room, the time they go to warm up).
How much discipline the coach demands of the team differs greatly from team to team. I know it’s a completely different sport, but Joe Maddon is one of Rah’s good friends and Joe is notoriously known as one of the most lax coaches of any sport. Joe is able to get his guys to perform even though he has very little rules. All the players love Rah and would do anything for him, same with Joe. Joe won AL manager of the year this year, and Rah was real close to winning coach of the year last year. Even though the wins and losses and execution aren’t up to par, I don’t believe Rah is totally to blame. You don’t go from a coach of the year candidate one year to a horrible coach the next. The only thing that Rah has changed is his slogan. The key players at key positions are slumping this year. If they come out on fire next year, everyone will be riding the Rah train again. Free has been the biggest boon of success for this team, and when he is struggling, the team struggles. Even though Rah isn’t one of the most strict coaches in the league, he knows how to connect with his players. That connection with his players will be the key to his success in his future. We should try to persevere through this season, and once our key players stop slumping, we will see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Oderint dum metuant
Rays and baseball are two different things.
You don’t get penalties called in baseball. Morris wants his players to be accountable but isnt accountable himself. Disconnect.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
We never had this issue last year with Rah, so what changed?
Rah is still the same coach he was last year. Most coaches have this unwritten rule where you don’t call out your players in the media, only in house. Rex Ryan is great at it, same with Rah. At some point the players have to be responsible. Not all of our young players are savvy yet, like Ronde. It will take time, and a couple more draft picks at key positions to get us where we want to be. Don’t torpedo the ship just because it turned the wrong way, you have to give it time to see where it’s going first.
Oderint dum metuant
Speak for yourself. Our defense was not good last year and we relied far too often on the late comeback due to terrible early game play.
We got the “W” at the end of the day so people forgot that we started slow, and now are realizing all this because we are losing. This is the same team as last year, including coaching, but we were buoyed by good luck and easy schedule. You cant win every game in the 4th quarter.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
So what you expect every game to be blowout? There are plenty of successful teams that have a close margin of victory almost every week.
All 10 of our wins weren’t 4th quarter wins. Our defense was bad last year, but we had a lack of pass rush and bad run support. This year we have a better pass rush, but we still have bad run support. This team isn’t complete yet.
Oderint dum metuant
ANd yet our D still sucks. Explain the regression with virtually the same talent
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Going from a crap defense to a crap defense with a better pass rush isn't a regression.
Mason Foster is more physical, but at this point in his career he is exponentially worse at defending the pass than Ruud was. Geno has played worse than he ever has, same with Black. Tenard isn’t even close to what he used to be, he’s an open door in the run game. Talib and our DL are the only things that have improved, but that isn’t enough to make us a good defense. The talent has regressed if anything, not the coaching.
Oderint dum metuant
No regression... just tougher opponents
and a horrible miscalculation about how much talent we actually have.
Clearly this is the case...
and this miscalculation altered the way we drafted. We take DBs too late because we think there is quality depth here. There is not. Same for the LBs. Also gotta sign some select F/As that are better than our current players. Drafting alone, without signing young, but still proven players simply takes too long and you cannot make mistakes.
Mistakes like Bowden, Myron Lewis, Xavier Fulton, etc.
Cracker Ball, you hit the home run.
Im calling it the Albert Hanesworth experiment, and hopefully they see that putting in a veteran or two here and there will give these young players someone to learn from besides coaches.
When you watch all of the Super Bowl videos, they almost never give credit to Hardy Nickerson. But we don’t know if we ever get a Brooks, Sapp, Lynch etc without Hardy Nickerson to show them how to be a professional, how to refuse to lose like he did. There is no one on this team like that, and it shows.
Bucs motto since 1996- No excuses, No explanations.
by Niko's Best Bucs Videos on Dec 5, 2011 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
Look at our defensive ranks this year vs. last.
Look at PPG and YPG given up. We are drastically worse. Our DL is better and yet we still have regressed. We can;t stop anyone on the ground or through the air. We are getting worse. More penalties, more blown coverages, bad tackling. You can’t honestly watch our guys miss tackles game after game and tell me we aren’t worse. They either don’t care or are terrible at simple things like tackling.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Even in an easy schedule we still faced good teams and good backs.
We completely lost the ability to do the simple things right now.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
by Buc Wild on Dec 5, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, we got smoked by the "good" teams in 2010...
and basically squeaked by the poor ones. Its not exactly confidence inspiring. It all falls right back on Dom being in over his head here. Freeman pulls out a couple of wild games and Rah gets anointed as our savior. Everyone start drinking the “youngry” Kool-Aid and puts on the pewter sunglasses. We obviously weren’t a legit 10-6 team, and most here got all excited listening to the media jump on board, telling us we were the next young “hot” team, but we just had (and still do) far too many holes to be a contender.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 5, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
The Bucs didn't get smoked by the Falcons
But lost two close games to them. In fact, they only got smoked twice, both early in the year. The team was playing its best football late.
Also, I don't know who you keep referring to that thought the Bucs were a legitimate contender going into the year
Because the consensus was the Bucs would go 9-7 and probably miss the playoffs.
That is not how I remember it...
I recall a LOT of 10-6, 11-5, dethroning NO and ATL smack talk… where are those guys now, eh?
We aren't going to get half of 9 wins
We stink, lets fire this coach and move on.
Pay some contracts! Players, Coaches!
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 8, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think I picked 10-6 and wildcard
I can’t remember exactly, but it wasn’t winning the division. I was way off.
In any case, I’m right here.
Yugly.
Glad to see it...
as we usually agree on most things. Everybody misses one now and again – at least you are “stand-up” about it.
I had us at 10-6 too
and boy oh boy was I wrong. Still here too.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 5, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
We did "beat" them once
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Dec 6, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
I predicted 10-6 and i knew we weren't going to be Super Bowl bound...
but i never expected Freeman to regress so much and i never expected Blount to receive so few carries in the first half.
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
I had 11-5
I was so surprised with the success of last season, but obviously a weak schedule w crumby QB’s led us to that record.
Top 5 pick here we go.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 8, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
I believe I picked the same.
Curse my optimistic nature!!!
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
I was thinking 6-10 to 7-9.
I knew we would take a step back, but we took a few steps, quite a few steps.
So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!
The pass defense has collapsed
The run defense has looked worse than it did last year. Even when you adjust for opponent strength.
OK... then it is "strength of schedule"
and that is combined with the fact that Rah is unqualified and clearly unable to “right the ship”.
Either way, many changes must be made to our roster, our staff and possibly our GM. It is a hot mess.
CB, I hate to admit it but i'm starting to agree with you about Raheem.
And i think Dom might need to be demoted as well.
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
Raheem Morris' message is not getting through,
Now we have to figure out why. Are the players tuning him out? Are they not buying into the system? Its not all the players, but then if a few people are the problem, play their backups.
Bucs motto since 1996- No excuses, No explanations.
by Niko's Best Bucs Videos on Dec 5, 2011 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
I counted 5 games we won in the fourth quarter last year out of our 10 wins.
I don’t know the stats, but I would assume that is slightly above average. You’re making it sound like we set the all time record for winning games at the last second.
Oderint dum metuant
baseball is a marathon
all baseball managers are ‘easy going’ b/c you cant be frantic during that 160 game season; baseball is about being consistent. football however is like a sprint and every game should be treated as serious as a playoff game; right now this team appears to not even care about playing at all.
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Not all managers are like Joe, and not all coaches are like Tom Coughlin.
Managers have won being strict in baseball, and coaches have won being lax in football. There isn’t one specific way to do things.
Oderint dum metuant
true
look i was a big rah supporter up until the 49er game. on that game we were flat out-coached, and up until that game i thought we had a better coaching staff by far. both teams had essentially the same players from the prev game (which we won) but we got whipped. the 49er coaching staff seemed to not only figure out our offensive scheme but also figured out the weaknesses in our d; to go back to baseball they seemed to get all our ’tell’s’ (or ‘tips’ like when a hitter picks up on small changes in a pitcher from pitch to pitch). for example the play which carlos rogers knew it was going to be a slip screen to benn and blew it up as soon as the ball was snapped. rogers knew what was coming as soon as our wr’s lined up.
the problem is rah and his staff didn’t appear to see it that way and went on with the rest of the season as they planned it; the nfl is a copycat league when a team puts up a crooked score like the 49ers did all coaching staff playing against the bucs will dissect that game and look for the same ’tell’s’ which is why the team is now regressing. other teams made changes and we stuck to the same game plan. the 49ers laid the game plan on how to beat us and we didnt change a thing (we still run the same stupid plays every week, ie the benn end-around).
bucs fan landlocked in denver
One thing I think the 49ers did well against us, was attack and exploit our LBs.
Which is why we will have two new LBs on the field next year.
yeah i keep thinking today changed our draft needs
from CB to LB. watching Cam on those runs makes my stomach hurt to think that we will have to play against him 2 times a year for 6-10 years with the current players we have at LB.
bucs fan landlocked in denver
I agree with everything you said.
I am not trying to defend Rah by saying he is perfect, and he has done nothing wrong. The point I’m trying to make is that the players are just as at fault as he is. Last year, he was a great coach. Everyone was bummed he didn’t get coach of the year, now he is Raheem the clown. It doesn’t make sense. Sure injuries, young players, lack of an offseason, and tougher schedule all contributed to our bad record this season. But to put all the blame solely on Rah’s shoulders is just dumb. Belichick wasn’t even considered as one of the better half of the coaches in the league when he started. It took time for him to get where he was. There are many things at play for why our team is doing bad, you just can’t say one of those things is the reason why.
Oderint dum metuant
i agree too, i really like the guy
but i think he will be the one who falls on the sword for this season (like andy reid will). i was hoping that he would be the guy to stay around here for 10+ yrs b/c i hate the coaching carousel and i think shuffling coaches does more harm than good.
that being said we are in a tight spot right now. b/c if you sign morris to an extension who do you bring in to help him? i dont think that you can bring in people to be OC or DC like Fisher, Turner, or Del Rio w/out Morris being more distracted than he is now by being HC and DC by looking over his shoulder after each loss.
i am also glad you brought up Belichick b/c your right he wasnt considered a genus until he had time to improve on being a coach, but the one thing that i admire and wish we did more are 2 things he does very well: dont lose after a bye week, and dont drop 2 in a row (in my opinion those are the keys to success in the nfl)
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I think we should at least give him one more season.
The first season shouldn’t count because the team was gutted and we literally had no talent. He was a coach of the year candidate in his second year, and this year we are having an off year. If we fired every coach when they had one bad year, then we wouldn’t have a Bill Belichick. He went 5-11 in his last season with the browns, does that sound similar to what our record will probably be? He went 5-11 in his first season with the Patriots. The Browns fired him, and they’ve been crap ever since. The patriots stuck with him when he had a bad season, and now he’s right up there with Lombardi. Everyone shouldn’t be so quick to burn Rah at the stake.
Oderint dum metuant
I think we should...
fire him and his staff. Interview those that you can NOW, very quietly behing the scenes, and make your decision soon. Then allow the new HC begin to assemble his own staff before this season is over. No reason to release any hiring details until the season is actually over.
Again: Let Rah finish 2011 out, quietly hire somebody to replace him, and then fire his *ss after the last game.
ill give him one more year but things have to change
there has to be some accountability like buc wild mentioned at the top of this conversation. it was reported that Morris sent Price home after his personal foul today, which is a good start but its a little to late in my opinion. more than half the stuff that happens with our team Belichick would not have put up with, he has no problem cutting players who miss assignments (see boldin and meriweather this year). it reminded me of an article posted on the daily links (if you didnt catch it):
http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=58177
towards the end Steve White recalls how he got his start in ’96 b/c Kiffen watched film and saw a guy miss his gap and cut him.
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It is too late for Rah to just switch...
from a players coach to a disciplinarian. He has lost the ability to motivate. fight of the team and now Brian Price probably hates him for getting called out publically.
which is why bringing in new assistant coaches and keeping rah is like a bandaid on a gunshot wound
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 4, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
If Raheem does stay
I believe the players that deserve it will get the axe in the offseason. Hayes is already in the dog house and the Myron Lewis experiment is pretty much over. We simply don’t have the luxury to drop these players instantly or else we would be in worse shape.
But what happens, happens.
Penalties!
I have always felt that how a team does with penalties is a direct reflection on the coaching they are getting. I’ve been a Rah supporter but there is NO apparent discipline. Punishing Price today was too little, too late. I thought Rah was gonna get another year but now I am not so sure. I think we should consider hiring Brian Billick. He may be an offensive coach but he was the head coach for a team that had one of the best D’s of all time, that ran a similar scheme to ours, and I bet he could do wonders with Free.
Billick is awful
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
I see it as history repaeting itself
Dungy teams was as good in the beginning also. I’m glad he wasn’t let go too soon to get sapp, brooks, barber, lynch, quarles, and kelly playing well before his departure. I’m not saying Morris is going to be like Dungy. I’m saying it take time for this system of young players to grow and get better. What’s unexcusable is the end around call seem like every game and failed almost all the time to get positive yards. WHen ever Morris get predictable at his Defensive playcalling like Olsen then I’m on board. But this is year three people. It take time a little time to get the team identity right.
We are ran like the pat offense when we don’t have great blocker at center and right tackle. We need to get the right people in once we settle on an identity. It take time. Look at how Oregon used to be irrelevant in the past. It took them time to get thigs right with Identity and players and coaches. Heck Bama had slump in the past before Nick saban. I’m saying folks IT TAKE TIME!!!! 3 year isn’t enough time to make the changes after imploding Gruden and Allens’ mess of not having a future. It impact us in not having a pick to get gruden here. Relax. Get mad at year 4-5. That around the right time to make a decision like this.
All of us who predicted big things are still here. I had us at 9-7 and a Wild Card
and I’m sad to say I was wrong. I didn’t think we would underachieve this bad. I was a staunch supporter of our rebuild plan and thought we were on track as of Week 3 and 4 this year. Goes to show that we don’t know everything.
The pessimists last year were wrong and the optimists this year were wrong.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
So the "pessimists" didn't recognize...
that we weren’t really THAT good – despite the 10-6?
Give some credit where it is due. Wrong about record – correct about not being good.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 6, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Who's to say
You are what your record is. No one said we were Super Bowl last year. Some people had us at 5 wins.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Obviously, your record is not always a good measure
as we are not very good this year – with basically the exact same team.
Excuses begin now…
Is it possible players play different week to week and year to year?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Sure it is... Is it also possible
that the few that warned of this, and were summarily dismissed as “sour-pusses”, were also on to something?
3 years of Rah = Still bad.
Still waiting on that Viking helmet...
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
It will be done on my upcoming break...
as I have retrieved it from storage and it is just waiting there
Can we get a little background on this Viking helmet deal?
Seems like I’ve been hearing about this for years but I don’t know the origins….
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
It's been so long the details are kind of hazy
I believe it has something to do with 10-6 last year
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 10, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah... I said we were bad and would only win 5 games
but we ended up still being bad, yet winning 10 games. I have to photograph myself in a public place wearing a stupid and very embarrassing MIN helmet – complete with pony tails.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 10, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
don't feel bad
your 5 win prediction was only off by one win and one season !
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 10, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think your prediction was for this year.
So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!
The way the team practiced came under fire in 2009
raheem came out and said the team was going to have to practice harder, it was his fault and he was going to take it more seriously, does this sound a little too familiar 3 years later?
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 6, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I am still here... I predicted 10-6 + wild card berth.
I figured that was as good as we could do with a possibility of going 8-8 if we were worse than I thought. Well, we are worse than I thought. 8-8 would be a miracle at this point. But just wanted to let you know I am still here, still reading every single day, still rarely posting always. And quickly moving to the “fire Raheem & Olson” bandwagon.
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