Davin Joseph makes the Pro Bowl as the lone Tampa Bay Buccaneer
by Sander on Dec 27, 2011 7:11 PM EST
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PrintThis has been a dismal season so far, but there's a tiny reason for Bucs fans to be a little proud of a part of their team today: Davin Joseph made the Pro Bowl. The sixth-year offensive guard has earned his Pro Bowl berth with strong play after earning a seven-year, $53 million contract this offseason. Joseph has been a powerful drive blocker and solid pass protector this season, and he's been the key to the Bucs' strong running game. Or at least, a running game that is strong when the Bucs do choose to run the ball.
Joseph hasn't always been used to the best of his abilities, as the Bucs have a tendency to call a lot of zone running plays which don't highlight his strengths. But the veteran has done a good job, and is one of the few Bucs to deserve a Pro Bowl berth this season.
Per Stephen Holder, Davin Joseph is the only Buccaneer to be named to the Pro Bowl, and he will be the backup guard on the NFC roster behind Saints guards Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks.
Other Tampa Bay Buccaneers who might have warranted some consideration are Connor Barth, Michael Koenen and Donald Penn, although Penn has had a poor couple of games recently after having a very strong start to the season.
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Eh, glad we have someone going, but not sure we deserve anyone going.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Definitely.
Bushrod was apart of Brees’ great season. Rode his coattails. Still glad Joseph made it.
by flash_kiley on Dec 27, 2011 7:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Barth and Koenen were two shinning spots for the team this year...
which says a lot, really
That picture is hilarious
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
True
The goofy grin on Ball’s face as he supplies the bread for a Freeman sandwich pushes it into range of LOL.
Nine straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 27, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
That picture sums up are season a whole
just always thought the cream was in the middle.
by IceyPirate on Dec 27, 2011 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Koenen for Pro Bowl
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Good for Joseph
With possible exception of Koenan and Barth, I can’t think of any other Buc that could claim to have been snubbed.
Nine straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
I'm a fan of the Trent bandwagon, but this made me think.
None of the running backs selected to the Pro Bowl were drafted in the first round. Out of the 6, there were 4 second rounders, 1 third rounder, and 1 undrafted.
by flash_kiley on Dec 27, 2011 8:40 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Im pretty sure AP woulda made it if it weren't for the injury
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
True
And that’s why most teams adapted and run the ball via committee, RB is the most physically demanding position on-field. James/Ball > Richardson
by GoBuxGo on Dec 27, 2011 8:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I wish Buc management would finally accept that philosphy
So we can grind yet keep people fresh like NO does with ALL their substitutions. I think its important to have a competant #2 RB on the back burner, having his hand at 10 carries while Blount gets 20+. Graham did it alone against NO, while our #2 couldn’t produce. We tried to ride him the next week and look what happened, IR – type injury because he didn’t have another guy behind him to say “you know what? You balled last week, here, let me get a slice”. Hopefully, Lumpkin (who did have a good game last week) matures or we find a more competant change of pace #3rd down.
by Titankillah on Dec 28, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
injuries are killers no matter what round the player was taken
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by dcbucsfan on Dec 27, 2011 10:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
RB's are more prone to it
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
yea but that doesnt mean you shouldnt invest a first round pick in them
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You should if you want him to be with your franchise for more than 8 years
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
true, but if you see a special talent in the draft you dont pass him up in the draft because hes a running back and his life expetancy may not last more than 8 years...
thats ridiculous. you go out and get the best player available. and if he last 5 years than you obviously have to move on but you dont shy away from drafting a rb in the first round if the talent is warranted for that pick.
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This is why you invest in defense:
- All but two AFC picks on defense — defensive end Elvis Dumervil and safety Eric Weddle – are first-round picks.
- After the first and second rounds, there are more undrafted Pro Bowl players than any other round.
- Of the six running backs selected for the Pro Bowl, none were first-round picks.
- All four inside linebackers who made the Pro Bowl were first-round picks.
- Five of the six cornerbacks chosen were first-round picks. The sixth, Charles Tillman of Chicago, was a second-round pick.
This year’s probowl
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
by 4QB on Dec 28, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ok so what was your point?
honestly you just made my point of how i told sander that you can get good talent at any position in the draft. not just at running back. even at cornerback which is why im not pressed for the bucs to get a corner in the first other than Claiborne.
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THERE WAS ONE CORNERBACK DRAFTED IN THE 2ND ROUND THAT MADE IT TO THE PROBOWL
NOT ONE RUNNINGBACK
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
*IN THE FIRST ROUND
Darn typing
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
right
so whats really the importance of grabbing a cornerback in the 1st if none made it to the pro bowl? and its not about the first round running back. its about the talent. and richardson is worth the pick
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...?
- Five of the six cornerbacks chosen were first-round picks. The sixth, Charles Tillman of Chicago, was a second-round pick.
Read that line again, and again, and again
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
ok i still dont see your point.
just because there were 1st round cbs doesnt mean we should draft one in order to get apro bowl type guy. same as running back. those stats dont prove to me that we should only draft cbs in the first and not draft rb in the first round.
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So just because Richardson is a name brand, he should be picked?
What sense is that?
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
The same could be said for Claiborne its no different.
You want Claiborne because hes the best CB in the draft right? ok i want Richardson because hes the best RB in the draft. So there is no difference. Its not about the name its about the talent.
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There is definitely a difference
Because the choice is Claiborne + someone like LaMichael James, or Trent Richardson + someone else at cornerback.
You can’t look at that pick in isolation.
Ok and you know Lamichael James becuase of his name sake.
There is plenty of other running backs that can have the same as him. No real difference between getting Claiborne and James and Richardson and Jenkins from Alabama A&M in the second round.
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I said "someone like LaMichael James"
There are tons of viable running backs likely available in the second round or later, not just James alone. I can’t say the same for cornerbacks.
Jenkins is the only good cornerback likely to be available at that point, and he’ll be available because of a lot of off-field issues. The Bucs are very unlikely to want to grab another cornerback with off-field issues.
There will be other Cbs that are projected first rounders that will fall to the second that the bucs can grab.
By far Claiborne is the best CB in the draft. So if we dont get him we are getting a CB that we may be reaching for just to grab a CB to fill a need. Not because that person is talented enough to be drafted in the first round. If that were the case where it wouldnt be a dropoff of talent after Claiborne there would be no debate on which CB we would take next or even a discussion by writers or mock drafters saying we should get Richardson.
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It was a joke...
….have all the people that have a sense of humor/can identify sarcasm been banned? geez.
What you mean?
I didn’t catch offense to your humor. i got the joke and it was pretty funny but i just didnt get a chance to acknowledge it.
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Listen
Every year in the draft there are more cornerbacks taken than running backs. Just because a cornerback is taken in the first round does not mean they are a less risk than taking a running back in the first round. And there is no guarantee that a cornerback will pan out better in the NFL than a RB. Its just apples and oranges man. I dont understand why you all are stuck on this first round thing. Its plenty of first round CBs that were busts. You know why you wont every find a undrafted CB making a team, or a pro bowl? Because they are in high demand. They get drafted alot more than running backs. So my point is regardless of what position it is if you are in the first round you are PROJECTED to be amongst they best prospects that year. Its a gamble every year but just because a CB is taken in the 1st round does it mean he has a higher chance to be successful than a RB taken in the 1st round. There is no difference.
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The fact that there aren't guarantees and things 'could' always turn out one way or another may be true
But that doesn’t mean there aren’t probabilities in play here. A later round running back is a lot more likely to succeed than a later round cornerback. Similarly, a cornerback is a lot less likely to suffer injuries than a running back.
Those are good reasons to strategically go with cornerbacks over running backs early on, because good cornerbacks are hard to find with later picks.
Thats not true. Its not because of them being better players but because of the demand of cornebacks needed on a team.
So once again just because a CB is taken in the first round doesnt mean anything. Its the same risk and reward at any position taken in the first round. Plenty of CBs that werent drafted in the 1st round that were impact players and have made it to the pro bowl. No difference
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The reason why this happens doesn't really matter
There’s more of a demand for cornerbacks high in the draft, which has everything to do with that position being more important in today’s NFL.
Fact: it’s harder to find good cornerbacks in later rounds than it is to find running backs. That’s all there is to it.
Just because there is a demand for CB doesnt mean they will be talented.
Point blank there are only a select few elite CBs just like there are only a select few RBs in the league. Your putting too much emphasis on cornerbacks. They are important but to find a shutdown cb is rare and they are only a handful that are true shutdown corners in history. And the majority of teams that won championships with great defenses didnt have a shutdown corner. i dont even think they had corners drafted in the first round. I know the bucs, ravens and steelers didnt. oh excuse me the ravens had starks and mcallister in 2000. and starks was a big bum. he was taken 10th overall.
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It's not like if a cornerback isn't 'shutdown' that he's a failure
Again you come with these false dichotomies. You don’t need a shutdown cornerback, but you do need good cornerbacks. And generally you find good cornerbacks high in the draft, and it’s a lot harder to find them later in the draft.
The Bucs need cornerbacks. Badly. Really, really badly. A lot more than they need an every-down back – what they need in a running back is a third down back and a change of pace back. Those roles can be filled much later in the draft. But it’s a lot harder to fill the role of starting cornerback late in the draft.
Those are simple facts. Facts you have never, ever denied. So, unless you can come up with reasons why those things aren’t true, I’m done here.
The entire draft is a crap-shoot...
but you do your research, cover your eyes and pick somebody. The fact is that it appears that CBs, and other positions as well, have great players that are selected late – and occasionally not even selected at all. This proves to the most studious GM that the NFL Draft is an inexact science.
Having said that, I don’t exactly see teams handing away their 1st round picks and saying things like “It doesn’t matter when we pick”.
Because it does matter.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that there is some chance involved doesn't mean it's a crapshoot
Every player can be a bust or a massive success, but those chances are not equal regardless of what you do, and quality scouting certainly helps.
Exactly why I said...
that you “do your research” and for Gods sake, don’t ignore all the red flags by falling in love with a certain player. We have had all of the off the field incidents I can handle. We are quickly becoming the new CIN or OAK of the NFL with all of our foolish youthful shenanigans.
Until we can read the prospects minds – it is all a calculated risk.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 29, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
and your still stuck on this first round stuff.
1st round or second round is a high pick for any body. there are elite players in each position at each position primarily in the 1st for a reason. not just cbs. but rbs as well
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But there are only a handful of "impact" players...
and CB Morris Claiborne, in my own opinion, is like a Patrick Peterson kind of CB. He should certainly be taken if available.
Others may work out, but his size, speed, agility and production create a sizable gap between him and Dre Kirkpatrick ( #2 rated CB).
by Cracker Ball on Dec 28, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
2nd round picks are less risky than 1st round pick, and so on for every round after that
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
1st round pick for an RB where we have a (understating) competent starter is more riskier
Vs a LB or a DB where we have absolutely no starters or depth (IMO, FA isn’t enough) is less riskier. It doesn’t matter if he (by chance) sucks, there is depth at said position where we are lacking.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
We need to take a need player...
with the least risk associated with him, as we can ill afford to be wrong. Its all a crap-shoot anyway. If you gamble, sometimes it works our for you (Aldon Smith, Jason-Pierre Paul) and sometimes it doesn’t (Trey Junkin, Tim Couch).
Unless we have grown to love this limbo state of mediocrity, we simply cannot afford to be wrong.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 29, 2011 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
I understand that.
However i dont want to grab a CB in the first that really doesnt have first round talent. Alot of players are projected to be in the 1st round just because of a need. Not because of talent they have, and because of the lack of talent in the class. The only way we get out of mediocrity is to gamble. No time for safe picks. We cant afford to do that.
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The Bucs have the sixth overall pick, most likely
How are they going to end up with a cornerback with no first-round talent at that high a pick?
so you will take dre kirpatrick at number 6 overall because of his talent?
or because he is a cornerback that is projected in the first round and we need a cornerback?
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ok so just because hes a cornerback worthy selection doesnt mean hes fit to be drafted first by this team.
as many holes as we have on our team we need the most talented players on our team no matter what the position. BPA.
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How do you define 'best player available'?
There isn’t a clear scale of inter-positional ranking. Is the best player the one with the most athletic talent? The one with the most football sense? The one that fits the team’s scheme the best?
I’d argue the best player is the player that helps the team that drafts him win the most games over his entire career. To me, any highly talented cornerback is a better player by that definition than a top running back, especially for the Bucs this season.
your crazy to think that Kirpatrick or Dennard are better than Richardson as a player or as a better fit for the Bucs team.
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my definition is the best player available at their position available based on the need of the team.
So it depends on what the team wants to do and what there needs are to fulfill that need. So we need a CB but during the draft they may realize that there is a better player at RT that can be more valuable and is more talented at that position than that CB that is still on the board is. BPA
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"The best player available at their position based on the need of the team"
That implies you evaluate players only relative to all other players at their position in that specific draft class. So the second cornerback on the board is, according to that definition, always worse than the first fullback?
No you evaluate them to other players at their position and to other positions you need as well.
and no according to my definition you can use the example that i just used. The third best cornerback on the team may not be the best player for the team than the 4th best RT, or RB, or WR etc….. Fullback, kicker, punters lets be real Sander you know, or you should know that these players dont get drafted high. You are a little extreme.
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My point is that your definition only evaluates players relative to their own position group
But if that’s not what you want to do, then what’s your actual definition?
The reason I’m asking is that there’s no accepted way to define “best player”, but you keep coming back to “draft the best player”. Well, how do you evaluate that? How do you compare a cornerback to a running back?
You evaluate their possible contribution for your team by there position.
Will i get more contribution from this CB or by this RT if i put him on my team. If you cant understand that then maybe you need to ask Todd McShay or Mel Kiper Jr. or maybe a NFL scout or ask a NFL GM.
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yes i think he adds more value to our team as a first round pick than any other cornerback other than claiborne will in the first round will
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by dcbucsfan on Dec 29, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am sure there are heated debates in the "War Room" attempting...
to answer that very question. Is the 2nd rated CB more valuable to our team that the best remaining OT? I think our current needs are prioritized in this order:
1. CB
2. LB
3. OT
4. RB
5. S
and I would try to address it that way. You will obviously be at the mercy of other teams in the later rounds, as your faves may all be selected by then. Due diligence and don’t give away a pick just to scoot up a few spots (Luke Stocker). Looks pretty stupid now, eh?
by Cracker Ball on Dec 29, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
thank you. thats exactly how it goes.
the meaning of BPA. However for spot number 5 i would replace that with Center or Guard instead of tackle.
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how is FA not enough?
that doesn’t make any sense. First of all our depth at linebacker and CB has more talent than our talent at RB hands down. Yes we suck at LB and CB but look at us at RB. We have Blount who is a beast at running north and south and thats it. We have Lumpkin and Madu as back ups. Theres less of a risk in FA at LB or CB because they are more seasoned and still cant contribute at a higher level than maybe a FA running back who may be over the hump.
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hahahahaha you are crazy
you better not let blount hear you say that or he will punch you lol.
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understandable but the 1st and 2nd rounds are really where you land most of your elite players
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If CB Morris Claiborne is gone...
when we select in Round 1, I hope we take a long look at other positions of great need, instead of just automatically taking the #2 CB Dre Kirkpatrick.
Other great OL, LB and RB players will be available and could make a huge impact on our team. Other options like trading down to accrue additional pick(s) could be a smart move. It is really all just speculation until we know who has been selected ahead of us – and who remains.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 29, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
you just made my point.
other players can make a impact for our team other than a cb. and thats where you evaluate the BPA.
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congrats on Joseph
he deserved it. along with koenen and penn
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by dcbucsfan on Dec 27, 2011 11:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and mcfadden
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by dcbucsfan on Dec 27, 2011 10:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
How's Phillip Rivers a pro bowler?
by GoBuxGo on Dec 27, 2011 9:00 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
No good third AFC QB, he gets it on reputation/name recognition
Plus, he’s had some good games recently.
Cause it's a popularity contest...
by flash_kiley on Dec 27, 2011 9:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well, 33% of vote is fans, other 66% is coaches and players.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Barth
Barth shouldda been in pro bowl. Hes been great this year. I think he is the bucs MVP. What a great year connor, congrats and congrats to davin for makin the pro bowl, you are our o line
TEBOW TIME!!!!!!
by Gators_Bucs_fan on Dec 27, 2011 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Get 'em big joe!!
If we had 3 josephs and 2 penns, we’d be straight. Need a thick LG and C though, as they should dump zone completely. For some reason, we ain’t getting the extended pass coverage to allow those deep balls, or maybe thats me?
Its a combination.
O line not providing enough time and the receivers not getting separation consistently enough.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Dec 28, 2011 2:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Davin Joseph called in
to the Josh Freeman radio show tonight to say he was taking the rest of the line and Freeman with him to Hawaii. He wants them to get a taste for the Pro Bowl so they will strive to get back there on their own next year. I think its a good gesture from Joseph…especially since he is paying for all of them to go. Good job Davin! Well deserved! We can’t say he isn’t a leader.
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