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Legarrette Blount and the Myth of the Every-Down Back

NASHVILLE, TN - NOVEMBER 27:   LeFarrette Blount #27 of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is tackled by Jurrell Casey #99 of the Tennessee Titans at LP Field on November 27, 2011 in Nashville, Tennessee.  The Titans defeated the Buccaneers 23 to 17.  (Photo by Wesley Hitt/Getty Images)

Legarrette Blount is not and will never be an every-down back - and that's okay. The first part of that sentence should be obvious: Blount is limited to running between the tackles and doesn't have a lot of quickness to him - he can't make someone miss in space other than by jumping over them or powering through them. Besides that he can't stay on the field on passing downs, ostensibly because of struggles picking up the playbook, and he has a fumbling issues with 9 fumbles in his two years in the league.

All of those are legitimate concerns. But none of them matter. Well, except for the fumbling. That's a real problem. But the fact that he isn't on the field on passing downs, that he can't run outside, that he isn't shifty? It doesn't change anything about his role: to be a between-the-tackles runner. That's what he's good at, and you can build a running game around that. You just need complementary players to create the illusion of an every-down back.

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Having different running backs for different roles is not a problem. In fact, almost all NFL teams go about their business that way. They have a back who primarily runs the ball, and when they go to pass-heavy personnel their third-down back comes onto the field.

The best example of this practice can be found in the form of the New Orleans Saints. For years they've shuffled running backs in and out of the lineup for different roles. Reggie Bush was drafted to be an every-down back, but turned into essentially a glorified receiver in New Orleans. Pierre Thomas runs between the tackles, but was also their designated screen back - until Darren Sproles usurped that role. Sproles is another complementary piece who will never be an every down back, but who can be used in specific ways to maximize his potential. And then the Saints have two more players who can function as the foundation of a running game: Mark Ingram and Chris Ivory.

Over the years the Saints have found different ways to use their backs and use their entire stable of backs in a variety of ways. That's also the way the Bucs can go and have gone in the past: they've had a stable of running backs with a variety of different roles. The good thing about that is that you're not dependent on one player, if you do this correctly and build in some depth: if one player goes down, another one can take over his limited roles fairly quickly.

This is part of the reason why I don't think drafting someone like Trent Richardson high in the draft is any kind of answer for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It's fairly easy to construct a competent stable of running backs with different roles without having to spend a high draft pick on a running back when you could easily spend that pick elsewhere - where you can't use a variety of role players to fill a need.

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we need to make drastic moves to improve this team.

we draft Richardson we improve on offense instantly. we are built to run the ball. so let’s improve the best way possible. we don’t have the luxury to keep gambling on lower round guys to come and play. we are not one of the elite teams that can do that. and we got lucky with blount. you can’t keep hitting the lottery every year. we got a high pick. and get the best player possible. if he’s not available get. ball or panafon miller or James.. but blount lumpkin and mash will not cut it

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:08 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

I meant madu

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

sander just fine would be good enough for an elite team to get by

that’s not good enough for us. we don’t have anything on our team right now that we can hang our hats on that we can do above average right now. we need somebody on the team that can be that special. if we got a chance to get Richardson we gotta get him. stop shortchanging ourselves

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The running game is not that important these days

It really isn’t. You want something to hang your hat on? Give Freeman more weapons and an offseason to improve. I’d much rather hang my hat on a passing game than on a running game.

I don’t see how passing up Richardson for an elite prospect at another position is shortchanging yourself, either.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

huh?

what?

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

cmon sander

don’t let Aaron rogders have u thinkin that its all about passing. freeman does need weapons. and he can have one in the backfield to run and catch out the backfield. u kno y u don’t rely on just a passing attack? Wat if ur qb goes down then Wat? ask the colts or the bears. or ask the chargers about rivers struggling like he is. then Wat? they depended on his ARM too much. or let’s ask the texans who lost two qbs. y are they still winning. because the have two great running backs that can run and the qb doesn’t have to do more than Wat he nerds to do

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The past decade clearly showed that the running game is a lot less important than the passing game

That has little to do with Aaron Rodgers, he’s just the latest example of that. A competent passing attack will trump a running game every day, and twice on Sunday.

That doesn’t mean you don’t need some running game, but you don’t need a bellcow running back to carry the team. You need a complementary running game. And that doesn’t require a premiere back.

Also, DC, please drop the short hand. “u kno y u”? Your posts are getting harder and harder to read.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The Texans disagree

Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 26, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben tate

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Ben Tate is not a huge part of their offense

And was drafted with a late second-round pick, not the fifth overall pick.

The offensive line is what makes that running game go.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not a big part of their offense

but he’s top ten in the leauge in rushing and second round is high when they already had foster

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Ben Tate was drafted in 2010, when Arian Foster hadn't broken out yet

Besides, I wouldn’t have a problem with using a late second-round pick on a running back for the Bucs.

Also, Ben Tate is 24th in the NFL in rushing, not top ten.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

doesn't really matter.

at one point he was for a good portion of the season. but for someone who has 800 plus yards rushing. that’s a lot of offense as a back up.

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

It's decent, not huge

But that’s beside the point: that’s the top rushing attack in the NFL, and it doesn’t have a highly drafted running back.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It's their OL and scheme. They found backs who fit their scheme and ahve a tremendous OL

The OL comes first in the running game, not the RB. Look at the Seahawks and Shaun ALexander. He was garbage without that line.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 26, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

and fullback

the most underated poss in a run game.. when Shaun ALender Rocked with Lorenzo Neal

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

3rd and 5 isn't a running down, ever

No team runs the ball consistently on that down and distance. Not even the Vikings with the best back in football.

That team had an awful hard time making Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb and Christian Ponder look good these past two years, despite that awesome rushing attack. The same with Maurice Jones-Drew in Jacksonville.

A running game is useful, but you can only go so far with an offense built on the running game, and the influence it has on your passing game is also not as great as you make it seem. Running the ball is not a fix-all for a modern NFL offense.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless you are running the ball against us,

then 3 and 8 is a run down.

by flash_kiley on Dec 26, 2011 6:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

Live by the pass die by the pass

I for one am sick of the NFL turning into Arena Football 2.0. If I want to see a team pass on every down than I will just watch Arena ball. An elite defense and a strong running game can shut down a pass happy team every time

Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 26, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Except they can't

The New York Jets had exactly that these past two years, and they limped into the playoffs each time. The Atlanta Falcons had a good team last year, but couldn’t hang with elite offenses because they couldn’t produce points quickly enough with their run-based offense. That’s why they went after Julio Jones.

You can be tired of watching the NFL turn into that, but it’s exactly what the NFL has turned into and griping about it won’t change that.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The NFL is a copycat league I expect more teams will follow the Texans soon

Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 26, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not easy to do what the Texans have done

And the NFL doesn’t copycat the seventh best team in football.

What the Texans have done has been around for decades. Shanahan’s Broncos were built around the same idea, and his Redskins are trying to do the same thing. The idea is simple: draft athletic and speedy linemen, mold them into one unit adept at playing together through years of coaching, run a zone-blocking scheme, then plug in one-cut running backs who rack up yardage while working the play-action passing game based off identical blocking looks.

The problem is that that is a lot harder to copy than it may seem. If it was easy to copy, everyone in the league would have been doing it since 1998. Lots of teams try it, but can’t do it consistently.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if they go far in playoffs they might get a few copycats well just have to wait and see

Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 26, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

reading this thread got me thinking about the texans

yes we should copy the texans; off the top of my head their last couple drafts have been 1st round ‘d’ picks: williams, ryans, cushing, watt. remember when it was williams vs. bush for #1 pick? williams won out b/c the texans needed to beat manning, the only way to do that was draft a player that would go against manning on every down.
we are in the same spot, t rich is not going to help us beat drew, matt, and now cam.
kubiak also worked under shannahan, the guy who traded portis for champ bailey. the thought was you could always find a RB but its hard to find an elite CB; plus you get more yrs from the CB, where is portis now?

bucs fan landlocked in denver

by jjklein80 on Dec 27, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call LT and Shonn Green elite

Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 26, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

right

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Not this year

The past two years they had two of the top rushing attacks in the NFL, and built their offense on the ground game.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

the jets did not have an elite run game. and the falcons could run the ball but they wanted to throw the ball too much when they couldn’t and there defense was subpar. falcons will show that again and that’s why the jets are out the playoffs trying to throw the ball all they time when there qb isn’t elite enough to do that

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Only if they have a really bad QB

Or if it’s 3rd&20 and they’re running give-up draws.

Last year, there were 242 rushes on 3rd-and-5 to 3rd-and-10 that weren’t quarterback scrambles etc by Football Outsiders numbers. That’s on a total of 4,292 plays in that category.

So teams as a whole rushed just 5,6% of the time on 3rd-and-5 to 3rd-and-10. Those are not running downs, at all.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm on my mobile phone so I can't really help the autocorrect.

but you name one team that won a super bowl with no run game

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The Green Bay Packers

Though, again, I never said that you don’t need a running game. I said that you don’t need a running game as the basis of your offense. You need a complementary running game. Like the 2010 Packers, the 2009 Saints, the 2008 Steelers, the 2007 Patriots, the 2006 Colts etc. etc. etc.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

packers were able to run the ball.

they weren’t built around running but no team can throw on every down. you need to be capable of running the ball. especially when you don’t have a elite qb. only a few like the pats saints and packers and colts got away with that because of there qb. the bucs will never be able to do that. ever. if we have a good qb that can throw the ball. and not turn it over to go along with an elite run game that will be the key for us. along with improvement on defense. the texans were like that. but they got a good dc. and some key free agents. and look at them now. we are at that point on defense that a dc and some key fas will have us right there. but we need Trent Richardson

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

As I said: complementary running game

Why are you pretending that I said you should throw it on every down and not run the ball? I never did. Please read my comments.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I read.

and I can also read between the lines. when someone is clearly making a clear point and when someone is insinuating something else.

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 9:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I think it's a bad idea to take a RB in the 1st.

Mark Ingram got lucky last year IMO. The NFL is a Quarterback driven league; the running game has become a compliment, not a necessity and thats by design. Just look at the changes the league has made over the years to make it easier 2 throw the football and to make matters worst defenders cant even breathe on the QB and WR’s without drawing a “unsportsman like” penalty; some the calls I’ve seen this year were just ridiculous. Withthat said, the shelf life of an NFL RB is just to short to waste first round $$$ on. And besides, I dont believ Richardson is that much better than Ingram anyway. My vote as far as our 1st round pick is concerned is “best available” CB. We’re scrapping the bottom of the barrel at that position. Although I would take a long look at Blackmon if he’s available. I think his upside is off the meter. I’d jump over 100 Trent Richardsons to get Blackmon; that’s if we decided to go Offensewith the first pick.

by ctd1977 on Dec 26, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry but I can't agree.

Trent is faster, stronger, more elusive, and harder to bring down than Ingram. And I think Trent>Blackmon as well. Just my opinion though.

by flash_kiley on Dec 26, 2011 11:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

dude..really..

so u would take the cb out of bama before richardson?..really?

by 69her on Dec 27, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Richardson>Kirkpatrick

But by need, we need Kirpatrick more than we need Richardson. Would still take Trent though.

by flash_kiley on Dec 27, 2011 12:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

right now we need everything..

untill our d-line grows…the front 7 can fix the back end..not visa versa….less time needed to cover..ask the eagels..best d-backfield u could buy…no time…thats like having 4 # one wide recievers and no QB..sucks to be u..its a balance…give me biggers and upgrade ronde..ill be ok back there…let my pass ruch grow..they will be better..time does it..they are young….right now..i need to develope my QB..before its to late..thats the hardest possision in football..help him some

by 69her on Dec 27, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

The thing that scares me about Kirkpatrick

is his durability. He has had shoulder surgery twice in the last 3 years. He is a great cover corner…shut down if you will…but he needs to improve his run support.

by akbrown15 on Dec 27, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

And they have a defense. And when the D played bad, they lost.

Any team that loses a QB is gonna struggle

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 26, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree but they want sanchez and the offense to do more than he’s capable of. and he turns the ball over a lot and puts that d in a tough place. the point is successful teams have something that they are really good at on offense. and they are able to have a good balance of run and pass. the teams that depend on one part of offense so much usually fail I’m the end. the emphasis of this pass happy league was made and that the running game isn’t as important. and I’m not saying you have to be a run focused offense. but for instance the packers have two good running backs to mix in the run with there elite pass game. now if the packers had two kregg lumpkin type running backs on there team I think they would drastically decrease in production as an offense

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 10:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

the keys to success is a defense that can create turnovers and either an elite run game or elite pass game or decent of either

you can’t just have a awesome pass game but terrible run game. it must be decent at least. and vice versa. no team has won wit literally no run game. and that includes the colts and packers

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

You can't be one-dimensional, no

But you can manufacture good running games without investing high draft picks in backs. Look around the league and you’ll find a lot of teams who have done that, not just the Saints. What you can’t do is manufacture a good passing game without a good quarterback and good receivers or tight ends, no matter how good your running back is.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

and its only but so many teams who have elite qbs like that. I count 5.

and josh is far from elite. so why not help him with a better run game and let him improve in the passing game by not asking him to throw 40 times a game?

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 10:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Youre Exacly right..o-line fullback rumming back

We have a decent online NOT great Nicks from NO would make our o-line great… then a back like Richardson and a top notch blocking fullback..game on!!!

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

now I think our o line is ok enough to run the ball with.

when blount was out they made big holes for graham. then its up to the running back after that. I don’t think the run block is a problem. well except up the middle. ahem…. Jeff faine. but the main issue is pass protection.

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 9:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

running game is more than just running.

also catching and pass blocking which is critical.

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 10:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

this if u cant catch then u suck

if a team looks and says ..ok they have this personel its run.. or this personel its pass..who u foolin..we need and every down back to make them guess….Blount in the game its run anyone else its pass…Hell if i see it so does any DC worth a damn check

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

would i like to have a back like James from OR

Hell yeah i would..But that a luxury at this point ..i just want a back that the opps dont know if it pass or run when they are in the game..I can look at what back is in and guess right 90%.HELL IS THAT GUEESING..No its personel…do u think that losing McCoy and Ernest at the same time was a coicidence..hell no it was not..Do u think losing Caddy did not hurt us so bad it was sick..he picked up blocks..go back and listen to last years games..When was the last time u heard announces marvel at blitz pick-up like they did with caddy.. i have not heard it all year this year..But last year i heard it at a mIn of 6 times a game..We all did.. ALL U HEARD WAS WHAT A GREAT BLITZ PICK -UP ..and all the 4th quarter comebacks..caddy ran and Caught the ball when the D for the opp was loosed up some..Now with that said..this if caddy did nat have 2 bad knees..THAT IS RICHARDSON!!!

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 10:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I know it killed JOSH

He did not regress..HE LOST A FULL SECOND..he lost a back who picked up the blitz like no other..Yes caddy was hurt for 2 full years…But HE STUDIED TAPE..he made up for it in the pass game ..I have never seen a back better picking up the blitz and blocking..it was to a young QB what a great FB is to a young RB..it was Josh Security and Confidence

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

yes yes yes

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 11:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

ding ding

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 10:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I'm with you brother all the way

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 11:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

top 5 players in this draft

2 are gone..1 and 2..poof..after that it is..richardson RG3 and jenkins…anyone who thinks clairborne is betters than jenkins is on crack

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone who drafts a CB in the top 6 is high..

ILL take a QB ..Pass rusher OR and elite back first..Richardson is the best back since AP …if AP had not had the shoulder isssue in college he would be a BUC now..they Bucs leaned on it then..and picked a DE instead..the injury and need was the 2 factors….if AP had not been injured in college..he would have been the 4th pick and a BUC..THATS FACT!

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

dude u know what sucks most

I hate bama ..But i crave for him or a good trade back

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not both? If you look at the top 15, we could trade back and probably still get Trent.

Colts-Addai, Brown
Rams-Jackson
Vikings-AP, Gerhart
Jags-MJD
Browns-Hillis(possibly), Hardest
Bucs-Blount
Redskins-Hightower, Torain
Panthers-Williams, Stewart
Dolphins- Bush, Thomas
Bills-CJ, Jackson
Eagles-McCoy
Chiefs-Charles, McCluster
Titans-Johnson, Harper, Ringer
Cardinals-Wells
Seahawks-Lynch

It seems like none of those teams would draft a running back round one. If one team gets excited about a player that is available when we are drafting, we could trade back, pick up an extra second and probably fourth, and still get Trent.

by flash_kiley on Dec 26, 2011 11:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

interesting

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 11:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

OK LET ME BREAK THIS DOWN

..ok now lets say Blackmon does not fall…and im being kind…very kind…i dont think his combine #s will match-up..he is from the big 12 nuff said..they lie..ok..fist lock..second pick kallib..that a lock…then we hit blackmon..or clayborne..ok..that bs…they trade out..someone will want RG3..probably..wash..if not ill trip,,,see unlike a lot of people..and some stupid NFL GM’S and Rahh..some stats do matter.. its called the 26-27-60 rule….ok let me expain the rule..if u have a QB prospect who hits a 26 or up on the wonderlic test and has at least 27 starts and completes 60& of passes in his carreers he is a success..now..i kno u have heard of the 60% completions..most have…RG3 WILL BE GONE..IF NOT..ILL DRAFT HIM BEFORE ""ANYONE ONE THE BOARD"" HE WILL BE ELITE..the 2nd number is starts its 27..he has 40…oh im sorry he is going for his masters in polical sience..he wonderlis will be id guess about 32..which will put him in top 7 for all qbs IN the nfl..the second in starts..that 27..he has started 40 games..that will put him around number 7…now..the 3rd numeber is completion% well now here he is #2..that sick…now..out of the top 20 QBs drafted since 98 this put him as elite…now i have been doing research farther..such as yards per att and yards per comp…but..i will tell u this his td to int ratio …he was 77 td and 17 ints.. and out of anyone who met all the numbers above he had by far the most ruching yards..the numbers i crunch cant bring into effect a QB extending a play..but i will promise u this..I can post the NUMBERS and post a list of al Qb who achieve and have an NFL arm,..and it will be 20 of the top 23 QBS as pocket passers and …no bust…further more..the other 3 will be one point off or so in other categories..its intersting..ill post it all before the draft..but i will say this…if RG3 is on the board at 6..i take him before anyone..i keep him…i let him compete with free and trade the loser..i open my wallet and bring in free agents..i have no choice…ill poadet it all later..numbers never lie..and when i show this u will see..no QB has ever failed with thses numbers…the worst out the list is kevin kolb

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

as far as rading back and getting trent for sure...u have to worry about the bengals

they have 2 number ones..they need a back…he is elite and like us a young QB who they want to groom…they counld give up a 2nd to move up..i actullay have thought to trade with them…take thier one and pick wilson out of VT and then build our d

by 69her on Dec 27, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

David Wilson looks very good

as do Montee Ball and LaMichael James. We have lots of good options available and one of them should still be available early in the 3rd round.

Nine straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 27, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love to get RG3

And that’s a hit on Freeman. I think Griffin will be special. Micheal Vick that can throw and makes good decisions kind of special. We saw what Cam did to a terrible Panthers offense. Now picture Cam with half the interceptions. Take RG3 and let’s ride. Freeman can warrant a first round pick most likely. Trade back into the first, pick up highest rated LB or CB….or maybe grab Trent… haha

by flash_kiley on Dec 27, 2011 12:10 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I believe you.

I hate to say it but if RG3 was white he would be the number one pick. I’m not saying GM’s are racist, it is just the stigma of black quarterbacks.

by flash_kiley on Dec 27, 2011 12:21 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

if RG3 was in last year draft he would be number one...

not this year..man the wonderlic means so much..people dont know it ..but matt stafford ..is a guinus ..

by 69her on Dec 27, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

locks wonderlic from stanford will be sick too

both will be 35 or up…thats why i hated losing rudd..we had one smart person on d last year.and we lat them go..for a middle line-backer whose wonderlic score is less than a salesman..i mean get real..the game has changed..u cant have a dick butkus middle unless they are smart too… at least urlacher scored a 28..

by 69her on Dec 27, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

shit dont lie...rudd 35 wonderlic and exp..

and rudd could tackle ..so waht not hard enuf….Foster 24 wonderlic …rudd faster…much ..and smarter..its shows. ’’FANS SPOKE…look now…want to kno what happend…Caddy gone..SMART… RUDD GONE smart…now we have dumbasses…team full of em..out smartest players is Free and his wonderlic is not impresive..its that of a salesman…be real ..sad shit..and he has a degree?

by 69her on Dec 27, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

ill post all the #s he will be in the top 10

for every top 10 QB in the nfl today and in the top 3 or 4 in 3 of the 6 most important stats

by 69her on Dec 27, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Blount running the ball against the rams has been the wallpaper on my cell phone for a long long time.

Today I changed it, with the new year almost upon us I felt like it was time for a change.

Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 26, 2011 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

Wallpaper

Richardson been my wallpaper for a while

by Jediel3 on Dec 26, 2011 6:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

he's a great north south runner

but we need another back that if he goes down can start. madu is not and I like James too but I don’t think hes starter material.

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If Claiborne is gone and we can't trade down, then I have no problem taking Richardson.

He would boost our offense significantly…something we need.

Oderint dum metuant

by jBen05 on Dec 26, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I have been saying "draft a CB, draft a CB" for a while...

but if we were to trade down a bit and end up with Trent Richardson – I will not complain. We have many DEF needs for sure, but I think the drop-off from Claiborne to Kirkpatrick is far enough to consider Richardson.

If we DO take Richardson, I would hope the remainder of our selections end up defensive.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 26, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

and its a few teams that would trade up to grab one of those qbs. and I would like defensive picks. but don’t forget offensive line as well.

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 9:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Trueblood and Faine will never let me forget the OL...

One can only seem to play half a season before getting hurt, and the other has cement shoes. Would prefer a young stud F/A addition(s) to shore up the OL than a high draft pick. Already seasoned and becomes a “plug and play” situation, where a draft pick will need some NFL game experience before you even know what you have in him.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 27, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong I don't dislike Blount at all

after the way this season turned out I just got tired of seeing him when ever I turn on my phone.So i changed it to something a little better and not so depressing.

Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 26, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Katy Perry

Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 26, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

she is okay...

You guys ever see that movie (pearl harbor) when Kate beckensale walks down the runway in that red dress? I will take that woman over that girl anyday…. just sayin!!!!!

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Kate is hot

but the shot i used is from the Rolling Stone, Katty Perry on the beach you should check it out

Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 26, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he is a puke don't see the attraction there at all

Rahdumb the clown and the not ready for prime time players are the worst team in Buc history, the 1976 squad gets a pass cause they were an expansion team, there is no excuse for this garbage!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 26, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

15 minutes in my local mall...

and I will find 5 girls hotter than Katy Perry. If you doubt me, come to San Antonio and see for yourself. It is the factory for hispanic girly hotness.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 26, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I used to live in Florida... so hogwash

and I have seen both. Southern California (LA and south) is also an amazing area for such things. It really is a win/win…

by Cracker Ball on Dec 27, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

he is talking about mexicans..

man fla we have cubans mxicans ricans and more…man…and ok..im just say it how it is..latins are tight..like real tight…

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yes indeed

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 11:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

yepper....

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Dec 27, 2011 12:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well if Bount doesnt stop fumbling

He wont be touching the ball at all..1 fumble for every 30 carries wont keep u on the field
As far as Richardson goes he is a back u will see every 5 to 10 years .. My only concern is injuries and how short the carrer can be for a RB . But you’re talking about a back who everyone knows is goin to get the ball. He is 40% of Bama’s O and out of he 1600 yard 47% of them are after cantact. Thats a special back to post those numbers in the SEC is unheard of

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

Unheard of?

Mark Ingram posted almost those exact same numbers two years ago. Numbers are a terrible way to judge almost any college prospect because so much of it is a result of system and surrounding talent.

That said, I do agree that Richardson looks like he’ll be a very good NFL back.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

No. Mark Ingram did not

He was not near 40% of that O , Bama had a much better passing game with a much better QB and Jones at WR , 47% of his yards are after contact. 750 yards after he has been hit.. thats sick!!

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I see i have to drive the LaMichael James

Bandwagon right on in here. Richardson is a decent back on an extermely talented team and he’ll be a really good pro, just not on our team. James has the explosion and speed we lack in our backfield AND he can puts butts in the seats. There was a time we drafted a guy that didn’t have the pro size and he turned out to be dynamite for this franchise. I’m not saying Richardson isn’t good but for this team we have no sense in picking up another guy that can’t break away from a defense in the open field and i’ll put money on Trent vs LaMichael in an any-yard dash. Same goes for Justin Blackmon, we really need a another Dez Briscoe?

by GoBuxGo on Dec 26, 2011 6:39 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

James is a beast, no doubt.

I hope he stays healthy, wherever he goes.

by flash_kiley on Dec 26, 2011 6:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

As much as i like richardson,

I like James better. He could score from anywhere on the field.

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Dec 26, 2011 6:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Richardson is a better player

The question is, is it better to get LaMichael James and an elite cornerback or Trent Richardson and a far less talented cornerback?

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

there are 5 or 6 shut down corners in this draft.

No telling which will be the best. if i remember right Revis was the 3rd or 4th corner takin in the first round when he was drafted somewhere in the 20 range i do believe

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You remember wrong

Darrelle Revis was the first cornerback taken, and the Jets traded up to draft him at #14. I don’t get your point there, though. Frank Gore was the best back in his draft class and he was a third-rounder. That proves nothing, but it’s a similar fact.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I just feel like this team needs a weapon who opps have to game plan against

And with richardson on a 3rd and 5 i think they have to respect the run and pass, 3rd and 5 or 6 would not longer be an auto passing down. I just see noone on this O teaams have to respect . and as far as recievers go there is not one in this draft i would risk a first rounder on at all. People can scream blackmon or jeffery or who ever . Can one of them be great sure. But they could all be very avg. just not much speed at that WR in this draft

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

WR

Floyd ND WR is pretty darn good

by Jediel3 on Dec 26, 2011 7:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He might be the best out of the group

at least he and jeffery have size. I see Blackmon dropping down boards after the combine. at 6’1’’ then he will run a 4.55 or so. Thats not a top 5 pick.

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

in my opinion he is

yeah If I wasnt for character concerns hed be a high pic

by Jediel3 on Dec 26, 2011 7:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The one reciever who can be picked up later

The kid from A&M Fuller he has size and same type speed 4.5 Runs decent routes Had a good game vs LSU covered by claiborne in last years cotton bowl. He leaps and catches the ball at its highest point

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

and the texans use foster to catch out the backfield

like we can do with Richardson

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

so did blount.

so we can match him with a high draft pick rb like foster has

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

one can only hope...

…however, if TR comes to Tampa…Blount might not get used very much. TR can do what Blount does (run straight at people) better than Blount…not to mention his other talents.

by akbrown15 on Dec 27, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

so you think its only one cornerback in the draft that is elite?

I think there are some great cbs and linebackers that will be available in the second or third round. sounds like claborine is special. outside of him who is a really specail prospect that’s worth a top 5 or 10th pick for what the bucs need right now?

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Please stop twisting my words

You keep going “so you think” and then adding something that I don’t think at all. It’s really annoying.

I never said that there’s only one elite cornerback in the draft. However, I do think that it’s a lot harder to find a good cornerback beyond the first round than it is to find a good running back beyond the first round.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not twisting your words.

I asked a question and gave my opinion. you read into things too much. the end of the day its hard to find elite players period in later rounds or undrafted than it is in the earlier rounds. point blank so just because we don’t get claiborne in the first does it mean that we will not get a cb in the second or third that can’t be at least decent. same goes for running back. if Richardson isn’t available I believe we can get a good rb in the second of third. I’m not trying to wait till the fifth or sixth round to get one though. for either cb or rb. but I feel that claiborne might not be available and we shouldnt trade up to get him either. same for Richardson but I think he will be there for us. and good cbs in the second as well

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Yes, it is harder

But, point black, there isn’t a linear relationship at every position. Because it really is easier to find good RB talent than good CB talent later in the draft.

Not drafting Richardson doesn’t mean you wait until the sixth round to make a selection at running back. I don’t know why you try to present everything in extremes and pretend that that’s the only other option. What’s wrong with Lamichael James early in the third round?

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing wrong with James in the third. but is there a guarantee that he will be there? or that the bucs will get him?

remember rodgers from Oregon state? we should have and could have gotten him but didn’t. point blank is we need the best players we can get. not just because we have to fill a hole. I wouldn’t want kirpatrick in the first over Richardson. when we could get a good cb in the second. kirpatrick doesn’t come off as elite to me. a solid safe pick but not elite like Richardson. just like if Richardson wasn’t available I don’t want to just grab a rb in the first round for the sake of it. I want to grab the best player available

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 8:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

There aren't a lot of good CBs later in the draft, probably

Also, James is just an example. There are a lot of good RBs in the draft, and one is bound to be available in the second or third round. That’s much less likely for a good CB, because good CBs get drafted high a lot more often.

Anyway, the problem with drafting the ‘best player’ is one of definition. When is a player the best? I would say the best player is the player that can help a team win the most. I think a good CB helps a team more than an elite RB.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

so janoris Jenkins would be a better fit for us than Trent Richardson?

and I’m not putting words in your mouth. I’m asking a hypothetical question

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 8:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

At #6? No. But Kirkpatrick could be.

As could Luke Kuechly. The best fit of all if Claiborne is not available would probably be trading back, if possible.

by Sander on Dec 26, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

JENKINS

if he keeps his nose clean he is THE BEST CORNER IN THE DRAFT… man i hate the gators i truely do..im a nole threw and threw.. but ill keep this real.. from the day Jenkens walked on a football field he was the most talented player on it..You could just see it..Would i spent a 1st on him..Hell NO!!!! BUT A SECOND..I WOULD NVER BAT AN EYE..and ill take Richardson the best weapon for Free and Jenkins…in the 2nd..if jenkens is not there the chase minnifield or hoyer will work.. As the d-line developes and better linebacker play better down and distance ur fine..But no matter what untill the d-line gets there..does not matter who is your corner ur done..no one can cover forever..Does our d-line have talent yes.Still a project..the whole team is.BUT BLOUNT FUMBLES WE TALK AND CRY ABOUT TACKLING WE DAMN WE WILL HAVE TO TALKLE EVERYONE IF WE FUMBLE LIKE THAT..THE DUDE FUMBLES EVER 30 CARRIES..THAT WORSE THAN ALSTOTT AND HE LEAD THE LEAGUE FOR YEARS!!!!!!!!!!

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Janoris is not the best corner from a pure talent standpoint, top 3- maybe but certainly not the best

"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Dec 26, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Janoris Is the Best corner in the draft...

Last year janoris took the role of guarding the best WR on the opposing team every game 1 on 1,he did it with Julio,Alshon and A.J…..If it wasnt for Jenkins situation he would be the top CB he is the only other corner that I have ever seen that wants your best WR every down 1 on 1 other then Revis….

by BuczFan561 on Jan 4, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

There is a great Youtube video

of Trent Richardson plowing through Janoris Jenkins. Jenkins didnt stand a chance.

by akbrown15 on Dec 27, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well put, Sander

There has to be a priority of needs when you have as many as we do. There are a lot of good CBs available this year, but there are also a lot of teams looking to address their secondaries. By the time we pick in the 3rd round, I fully expect the top 8 to 10 to have already been selected.

Nine straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 27, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like draft site all have Miller and Tate and Pope as the next backs

Then Todd Mcshey hit it on the head the kid from VT i cant think of his name right now .. What a tough runner and balance

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

David Wilson

ACC player of the year.

by flash_kiley on Dec 26, 2011 7:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Yes ty

What balance , Will probably run a 4.4 also.

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a great prospect

Definitely a top 5 RB in this draft class.

Nine straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 27, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He'd gashed more teams in a season

Than Richardson has in his career

by GoBuxGo on Dec 26, 2011 6:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Alabama stopped Trent, not LSU.

Alabama stopped giving him the ball.

by flash_kiley on Dec 26, 2011 7:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I believe you give the bucs

The left gaurd from NO or Been Grubbs from Bal. Draft richardson and you have a top notch O .

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad about the mix up.

Yeah Trent and another mauling guard would be devastating.

by flash_kiley on Dec 26, 2011 8:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

huh?

I’m not saying Richardson isn’t good but for this team we have no sense in picking up another guy that can’t break away from a defense in the open field bq.

I am guessing you have limited exposure to Richardson’s play…once in the open field…he’s gone.

by akbrown15 on Dec 27, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been on the LaMichael bandwagon for a while

though I still maintain that we have to wait until the third round before choosing a running back. There’s a good shot he’s still going to be available there.

Nine straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 27, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

With the 5th pick in the NFL DRAFT

The Tampa Bay Bucs select RB Alabama Trent Richardson , With the 38 pick in the draft the Bucs get ‘’ THE BEST CB ’’ in the draft Janoris Jenkins

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

If we could pull that, it would be like stealing.

And get Nigel Bradham in the third. Nigel can play the Mike, and would make our linebacking core much bigger and more physical. For those that haven’t been able to watch him, check out his hit in this years Miami game.

by flash_kiley on Dec 26, 2011 6:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I really think that's how it will play out.

some of those projected 1st round cbs will fall to the second

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 8:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

For all the talent that Jenkins has

Do we really want to draft another cornerback with severe off-the-field issues? You know what they say about those who fail to learn from history.

Nine straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 27, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

North Alabama Changes PLayers..

Yeah he had problems but Look at Preston Parker same problems transferred to North Alabama and now he’s doing well…Jenkins will be a steal and we need to be the ones trying to get him….The only reason claiborne has a leg up is because he didnt have off field issues….

by BuczFan561 on Jan 4, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love that, but Bradham wont last that long.

He isa already a 3rd-4th round prospect, and o expect him to run and lift well at the combine. He is a physical specimen that has finally put it together with the mental side of the game.

by flash_kiley on Dec 26, 2011 7:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

another good pick at MLB

James Michael Johnson from Nevada. great coverage lb.

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

good guy to draft and develop behind a good fa pickup

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Oh i agree

Very strong at the point.. have you seen the kid from Maryland ..man what a best he could be..in cov and run game . some real good talent for outside backers this year

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

ill check him out.

can’t stand to watch md games with those ugly uniforms lol

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 8:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

now I will say this. the bucs must draft a center or LG in the 3rd or 4th.

faine not only stinks but gets hurt a lot. so we need a good young backup that can eventually replace him or if zuttah takes over at center a good left guard because larsen stink as well

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The bucs must get a lineman in free ageny

A lg , nothing will help this O more ..then we are a threat to run right or left. Right not we are to predictable we go to the right to much. Plus it will help our O tackles .Look at NO they have weak tackles but they have strong gaurds.. the guards help the tackles it give the QB a true pocket to step up in. We need Nicks or Grubbs.. They are both young .Nicks would be ideal.. help us and help everyone attack the saints.. Plus make our run game better so we can attack the saints when we play them..Nicks would be the biggest free agency pickup we could possibly make

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

we need fas on the o line and linebacker and corner

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 8:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If the bucs are picking 6th and Richardson is on the board

They better take him or trade back to 16 or so with Cinci and pick up a second round pick

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 7:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I am hearing Cinci may be after TR...

…to help take some of the pressure off Andy Dalton. We’ll see. The Bucs need to hit a homerun with this draft because they have tons of holes. However, I am not keen on bringing in more rookies to start on D….but we may not have a choice.

by akbrown15 on Dec 27, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder a little if Minny might take him with AP's injury

ACL is a funny thing. He might be fine, and he might never be the same. I think it is a long shot the vikes take him, but never say never.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 27, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If MIN did take Richardson...

that would be one less team we have to worry about taking CB Claiborne ahead of us. He is the best player that fits our needs – in my opinion. Kalil would also be a great addition to our OL.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 27, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

But no matter what

The Bucs have to draft a back. and no not a small back.. they need an everydown back. Untill Blount proves he can hold onto the football. Man we all bitch they dont run the ball enough but when your only back fumbles every 30 carries what do u do? i mean thats a sick ratio 1 fumble for every 32 carries or so.. you will never win like that..

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 7:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If the Bucs draft at 6 ill take these depending on who is there

RG3 or trade back for picks Richardson or trade back or claiborne or trade back.. i would take Raliff out of Iowa before i drafted Blackmon..in my opinion Blackmon is to much of a risk u could be makin the same mistake the lions made for years.. The one thing i do not want to do is miss with this pick

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

iowafan

what’s the scoop on the cb named prater? mocks have him to us in the 3rd round.

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by dcbucsfan on Dec 26, 2011 8:50 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Im not an Iowa fan,

But Raliff is the real deal , i dont know anything about prater. But im high on Raliff and it would not suprise me if the Bucs take him at 6 if Richardson and claiborne are gone..they wanted Free from Dallas this last year.. AND he went heads up against Adian ever day for 2 years..So they will get the real info on him from Adrian..My Guess would be is Adrian clayburn tells them that Rallif is a franchise LT and can play RT he could very well be our pick..Im a little suprised not many Mocks have put the fact that Adrian was his team-mate and went against him everyday in practice..The worse thing you can do is Bust on a top 10 pick AND if my d-end who is playing at his level says’’’ HE IS THE REAL DEAL’’’ that would be your sefest pick.. right?

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Outside Kalil...

I don’t know if any other OL player is top 10 worthy. OT Jonathan Martin of Stanford has been considered the #2 OL prospect behing Kalil. Combine will shake things up a bit though. Mike Adams of Ohio State is also a good RT option.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 26, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

at tackle that is..and 7 or 8 as far as a pick..most have him of the board by pick 8

Now..The BUCS have and inside scoop..IF Adrian Clayborne says man he has the streaghth and the talent to play Left or RT in this league do u pick him The last thing u want is a bust..its a top 10 pick..You have your #1 from last year. who has practiced every day for 2 years against raliff . Would u trade back a pick or 2 pick up a lat rounder and take the safest pick…Just a thought..is Adrian says he is the real deal? and btw ty Sander.. nice write and a great talk for all …:)

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be happy with either of those OT prospects...

and I only favor Martin for the Stanford brainpower, but still hope we can snag CB Claiborne instead. If he is already gone before we pick at #5 – we have some real thinking to do because of the talent drop off between Claiborne and Kirkpatrick at the CB position. Trading down a few spots (if possible) will still get us a LB Luke Keuchly, RB Richardson or above mentioned OT.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 27, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Meh on the tackles outside of Kalil

We’re way too early for a right tackle pick imo. Kalil is the exception. Too much talent to pass up but he’ll be gone by our pick.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 27, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Martin is a much better prospect that Reiff imo

but I wouldn’t take any tackle other than Kalil in the first for us. And only Kalil because I think he’s the top player in this draft (despite the Luck hype).

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 27, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say 90%

The majority that I’ve seen have Reiff as #3 behind Jonathan Martin.

Nine straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 27, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Either way... they must be better than Trueblood

especially so as a pass protector. I wish we could find a prospect SO amazing it would force Penn to switch sides.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 27, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

ok lets say this..IF Adrian Clayborne Tells the Bucs

Ralif has as much or more talent then Free from Dallas..Do the Bucs draft him no matter?

by 69her on Dec 26, 2011 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

I want Blackmon..

We need more weapons for Free. Take james in the 2nd if he does not have equal value to where we pick trade down pickup a third an second for ours an take james then. Free needs weapons I am sick of our slow Recievers but Benn. get a guard an tackle in free agency then an get the bap with the rest of the pics then I hope they strike gold with a few udrf

by Benjamin Patterson on Dec 27, 2011 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

On a different note...

It’s good to see the variety of people with varying opinions on this site. There are a lot of people that comment often. And you don’t see the “because you’re stupid” or “that’s dumb” comments. If someone doesn’t agree, they give reasons why they don’t. Sometimes the discussions get heated(or at least as heated as blogging can be, haha), only because we are passionate about our Bucs. I appreciate all of my fellow bloggers, the writers on the site, and Sander for keeping it fresh and up to date. Here’s to a new year of Buc football!

by flash_kiley on Dec 27, 2011 1:35 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

... and this new year can't come soon enough for me.

I am tired of watching the week after week pummeling we receive. Rah and his crappy coaching staff can s*ck it and I patiently await his release.

Go Bucs!

by Cracker Ball on Dec 27, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I said before that Blount was useless

But I have to take that back. I was just butt hurt about losing to the damn Panthers again. I agree with the points in this article, especially after watching the Saints last night. We need to swap out HBs more often though, and not just on third down. I definitely agree with not wasting a top ten draft pick on an HB. I also think that wasting it on a WR would be kind of foolish too. There are just so many of them to go around. I think that a top prospect OT would be a great draft for us, and would help with both, our running game, and passing game. We need a lot more help than that, but it’s a pretty good start. Also, maybe I’m wrong here, but what are our chances of finding good offensive linemen outside of the draft?

by Barbaric on Dec 27, 2011 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

well if that's the case..

I like a couple of the LBs in this draft, although I can’t help but wonder what our current ones would be like under better leadership. Actually you can probably say that about the entire team. Haha.

by Barbaric on Dec 27, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Quincy Black or Geno Hayes will ever be what we want...

but Hayes is closer. Need some new blood back there. I say sign one/draft one. Is Paul Posluzsny a F/A this year? The guy just gets in the right position and makes tackles.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 27, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Poz was signed to a multi-year deal by the Jags I believe

I really wanted him in the offseason last year.

by flash_kiley on Dec 27, 2011 11:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Aw crap...

It figures. Same goes for Stephen Tulloch. Ugh.

Thanks Dom…

by Cracker Ball on Dec 27, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Tulloch only signed a one year deal.

For the right price he could be a Buc this offseason.

by flash_kiley on Dec 27, 2011 1:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I can't imagine him wanting to leave DET...

after the season they have had – and his contribution to it. It must be pretty satisfying to be part of a successful rebuilding project. We wouldn’t know around here as we are clearly still rebuilding.

Ugh…

by Cracker Ball on Dec 27, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You never know

If the money is right, almost anyone can be convinced, especially if their new team only gave them a one year deal. I hope we at least pursue Tulloch, as well as Carlos Rogers.

Nine straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 27, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Good article, Sander

I agree that New Orleans’ approach of developing a stable of options at running back is the best option for the Bucs moving forward. I’d love if we created our own “four-headed hydra”. Multiple and multidimensional backs means that we can keep defenses guessing and that one RB going down with an injury will have less of an effect on our game.

Nine straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 27, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

...or we steal one of their hydras

like Chris Ivory. I just love that clip of him steam-rolling Ruud.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 27, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I love your guys opinions.

Paul Pos is one of my favs. Man. Crap. We are screwed for years to come. Everybody has good, and different opinions. Different, but valid. Shows how far off we are as being successful. Unless a good mind can come and turn this garbage into gold.

by Barbaric on Dec 27, 2011 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

I think someone could.

Someone that can bring a new mindset, a new attitude. Someone to hold the players accountable. And make them take pride in this team, this game, and themselves.

by flash_kiley on Dec 27, 2011 9:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  


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