Has Aqib Talib Played His Last Game As A Tampa Bay Buccaneer?
In 2008, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers wanted to find a cornerback of the future. At the 20th overall pick, they had the choice between Aqib Talib out of Kansas, who grew up near Dallas, or the local Mike Jenkins from USF. The Dallas Cowboys were also looking for a cornerback and picked 5 spots later. The Bucs could pick a local hero in Mike Jenkins, someone who had had a very good career at USF and grew up in Bradenton. Meanwhile, the Dallas Cowboys could end up with troubled but talented cornerback Aqib Talib, someone who grew up near Dallas. Local heroes for both franchises.
Instead, the Bucs decided to pick up Aqib Talib. In terms of talent, this was certainly the better decision: Aqib Talib has shown the ability to be one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL. But in the long run, this seems to have turned into a very bad draft pick. Talib has consistently gotten into trouble: he got into a fight at the rookie symposium, he was charged with simple battery after allegedly assaulting a taxi driver - and he missed one game with a suspension because of that. Finally, he was charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon this past offseason, and he'll be tried for that offense in March.
But despite that, the Bucs have consistently stuck with him. They've issued no public punishment, and they've protected him when he managed to almost single-handedly lose the game in London. But hey, he's talented, right? And the Bucs certainly have a much worse pass defense without Talib.
At some point his talent stops weighing up to his issues - both on the field and off the field. And I think the Bucs have finally reached this point. Hit the jump to see why.
1. Raheem Morris will most likely be fired
When the Bucs selected Aqib Talib in the 2008 draft, Raheem Morris was supposedly a big reason why. Morris had coached against Talib in 2006 when he was defensive coordinator at Kansas State, and he loved the talent of the young cornerback. At least, that's what Charlie Campbell of Walter Football (and formerly of Pewter Report) tells us. More than that, according to Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports Raheem Morris managed to convince the Bucs to keep Aqib Talib this offseason.
So, Raheem Morris has been key in keeping Aqib Talib in the organization these past years. But if Raheem Morris leaves, Talib's strongest supporters leaves. And a new coach is much less likely to protect the talented cornerback. In fact, a new coach may want to set the tone and show that behavior like Talib's won't be tolerated - cutting him immediately.
2. Aqib Talib is likely to be suspended or in jail
Aqib Talib was not suspended this offseason for his offseason charges. Supposedly, this had something to do with negotiations between the NFLPA and NFL. But Aqib Talib goes on trial this March, and that trial could certainly determine his future. If he's convicted of a felony, he will go to jail. And if he goes to jail, the Bucs can't possibly keep him around.
Even if he doesn't go to jail or pleads guilty to a lesser charge, the NFL could still suspend him. Roger Goodell has suspended several players for their conduct, even if those players were never convicted. And if Goodell does suspend, the Bucs are likely to miss the cornerback for a couple of games in 2012. With that being the final year of his contract, the Bucs could simply cut him during the offseason instead of having to deal with his issues while he misses even more games.
3. Aqib Talib still has "anger management issues" and is the "only bad guy in the locker room"
Yes, those are two quotes. The first quote comes from Ira Kaufman, who appeared on Primetime on ESPN Florida yesterday. According to Kaufman, "people still walk around him very tenderly" and "he still has anger management issues." As Kaufman puts it, "You've gotta proceed with him with caution, you've gotta be careful what you say to him, how do you say it, when do you say it." And all that isn't based on the offseason incident, but on what Kaufman sees in the locker room on a daily basis.
The second quote comes from Charlie Campbell, again. Let me quote him in full:
Morris has never adequately disciplined Talib. Team staff have told me that Talib is the only bad guy in their locker room, that was said before Haynesworth was claimed. Other staff also said they don't know how Morris works with Talib.
There is a strong sentiment that if/when Morris goes the Bucs will cut Talib. But general manager Mark Dominik was on board with keeping Talib after the latest arrest.
I don't think that needs any explantion.
If I look at all those issues, I can't see the Bucs keeping Aqib Talib this offseason. It would really hurt their secondary, as with Ronde Barber possibly retiring E.J. Biggers and Elbert Mack would suddenly be the Bucs' top two cornerbacks. The Bucs would be forced to either sign a cornerback (or two) in free agency, or spend some high draft picks on cornerbacks. But the secondary has been terrible this season anyway, and Aqib Talib's troubles are outweighing his talent.
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Assuming he isn't in jail, I expect him to be sacrificed
A message needs to be sent to the rest of the young players, and I’m betting that talib will be the one they use to send the message. It just makes sense. His off field issues are bad enough, but he’s really had a down year this year on top of that.
I think he’s done here, which is saying a lot considering how badly we need corners.
Yugly.
And I think Ronde is definitely retiring after this year
Once Morris is gone I don’t think Ronde sticks it out any longer. And, honestly, his decline is quickening at this point. It is time.
Yugly.
WOrth noting for the first time (and maybe last) Ronde was the last defensive starter announced at a home game.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
The situation in the secondary is too dire.
Which is probably why Talib has been given such a long leash. I hate having a guy like that on the team as much as the next guy, but he’s got the talent. He just has to pull his head out of his ass and put his life together.
If Raheem and Dom had any confidence that the Glazers would go after Carlos Rogers (if he’s not franchised) then maybe they could cut Talib. But after whiffing on Nnamdi and Jonathan Joseph this past offseason, how can they think things will be any different?
Drafting Dre Kirkpatrick is all well and good, but cutting Talib makes that a lateral move. And when you have a top 10 draft pick, lateral moves are not what you want. This is a really tough spot the team is in and I don’t envy the decision makers. But if it’s up to me, we keep Talib.
There are a couple above average corners in this year's free agent market.
Tracy Porter, Brent Grimes, Cortland Finnegan, Carlos Rogers. All would be an upgrade to Ronde at this point in his career. And drafting a Mo Claiborne or Dre Kirkpatrick would be equivalent to keeping Talib. I’m also expecting an improvement from Biggers this offseason, possibly Gaitor too. The corner depth and talent has a chance to be much better next year, just gotta put the right pieces in place.
by flash_kiley on Dec 20, 2011 2:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If talib plays like he did this year, they'd be upgrades
He’s only had 2 solid games this year by my count.
Yugly.
He's had two shutdown games
And a couple of solid ones. He hasn’t been a bad cornerback this year, just not a great one.
At his best, Aqib is elite.
At his worst, Aqib is really bad. Extreme lack of effort, arm tackling, giving up on plays, bad gambles that end up on touchdowns for the opposition.
We need someone that is more consistent. I’ll take someone with a little less talent if they can be consistent with it. As written in an article a while ago, the Bucs don’t get coverage sacks. We can’t cover long enough. Almost all the sacks we have took under three seconds from the snap to get them. More consistent corner play will lead to more sacks.
by flash_kiley on Dec 20, 2011 2:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He's been struggling with injuries too
I think he’d play more consistently if he was consistently healthy. He’s always been a bit of a risk taker, but that’s ok to a point.
Still, off field trouble, health issues, locker room issues, and some really dumb penalties aren’t worth it any more.
Yugly.
I keep thinking of Packer game
he completly shut down Jennings. I wish he would find jesus or something, he could be a huge part of this franchise.(joking about finding Jesus)
A little time in prison will make him find Jesus really quick.
That’s what they do in there apparently. Anything to get him on track.
Um, really?
The guy had been in the league for like 3 or 4 years and started many games in that time span, he had reached the ceiling and Erik not progress anymore from the semi average corner he is.
by BucFan727 on Dec 20, 2011 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like Carlos Rogers and Finnegan.
Not to sold on Grimes and Porter.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Corners seem to make bigger a impact
as a rookie than say a middle linebacker. You need a LB as a leader on your team. I think there is more of a learning curve for LB than a corner. Look at Foster this year and he looked out of position alot because he had to think too much instead of just reacting. I think he will get better but just hasnt become a leader yet.
Does talent always trump character?
The primary reason to part with Talib is not his sometimes stellar-sometimes apathetic play on the field. Talib is the poster child for the me-me-me generation of athletes that infect both the NFL and the NBA. How can any coach develop a squad of disiplined players when this one guy creates so many disruptions both on and off the field (and even in the tunnel)? He is single-handedly responsible for the Bucs having an image of thugs in uniform with much of the fan base. Anyone who has run an organization, business or any type of entity where teamwork is crucial to it’s success will tell you one employee like Talib creates a cancer among the rest. His own teammates suggest you have to walk on eggshells around him because of his explosive anger problem. Who would tolerate that in that any other succesful business enterprise? In short, his contributions, even when playing well, don’t justify the Bucs retaining the services of this immature, immune to discipline powder keg whose fuse always hurts his team when it blows.
To answer the question, yes, he is gone...
Talented player, but major liability…
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Dec 20, 2011 3:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Absolutely not?!
I don’t get how when a supremely talented player who I believed a haven’t even seen half of his potential bedsit the defensive line never parts to pass rush standard should be cut when his nose has been clean the entire season?? Lets look at the offseason he was ALLEGEDLY charged and the hand wiring on the wall is being pointed at his mother as being the actual shooter of the weapon; in a situation where I believe any sane person could have possibly reacted. Before the injury he was one of the few players who effort you questioned and still exhibited emotion upon losing a game. Toss any free agent cb name out there and not a single one is even 30% the player he is. How about we let the legal system do its job before we sit here and make him walk the plank. (no pun intended)
by BucFan727 on Dec 20, 2011 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Seeing him cut up and laugh on the sidelines while we're getting blown out is enough.
….in my book. This isnt including all the other things he has done..
beat up cab driver, curse Morris out in front of everyone, overall thugish behavior.
well sorry he's trying to stay positive
All because your team is loading doesn’t mean you need to sit on the side line and cry and sulk. This is the same dude who has played his best ball in the loosing steak without any quit and Haynesworth had to calm him done after the lost to to the titans. Sounds like the kinda guy I want on my team.
by BucFan727 on Dec 21, 2011 12:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Aquib Talib
is a cancer for this team. He cursed Morris out in a hotel in front of everyone. He shouldnt be on this team, I dont care how good he is.
Also, the Bucs of the late 90’s early 2000’s were lovable. Most people would let Sapp, Brooks, Barber, Allstot, Lynch, Rice, Quarles, B. Johnson baby sit their kids. Everyone liked the guys on the team. They played with heart and desire. They were almost extended family to most Bucs fans. This Bucs team wouldnt be invited into my neighborhood…let alone babysit. lol.
Can't argue with this
The guys we have now Talib, K2, T-Jack, Jones, Blount, Haynesworth comes to mind of guys who can poison a locker rm and the young guys gotta look up to them, no wonder there is no leadership. This regime talked about character when they cut ties with Bryant, Ward, and Stevens but I see if your not productive at all you can be cut but if you needed your an exception, it’s a bad message to send to the team bending rules just because they are talented.
seriously...
…they say Raheem has lost the team. Well, if you saw a co worker of your cuss out your boss in front of everyone and your boss did little about it…you would probably lose respect for your boss….right? So for the few interceptions or decent games played by Talib worth our coach losing the respect of the team? I dont think so. Kick his ass out of here…
Rah threw Price out the game
when it was a blow out. He just smiled at Talib when he commited that dumb foul in the London game which gave the Bears another set of downs and been able to milk out more clock. Who knows if we could have came back if it weren’t for the personal foul but he did help lose the game at the end but it’s all good with Rah. Those 2 different incidents that makes a coach a hypocrite.
That false
He did not smile at Talib. How could u even post that in good concious and talk about others when u did so.
You cant compare the 2
These are sometime talented players with much diff upbringing. Thier jobs are based soley on physical talents. Much like a musician or actor they will be handled diff . More on an idividual basis. With much more exception given with talent and production in mind. Dont think for one min that Bill BIlichick or Parcells has not been cussed out in front of his team by a TALENTED player..They dish it out.Morris throws his F-bombs he always has even as a d-backs coach he has done so.. that just happens
T-Jack and Blount
Haven’t done anything to show they are locker room poison of any kind.
Ok either bad in the locker room or did something off field.
Either way, it’s against character. Remember why Blount didn’t get drafted by any team because of his temper in college. T-Jack just came back from a yr supension from violent the substant abuse policy the 2nd time after he violeted it which got him suspender the 1st 4 games in 09.
Right and !!!
They punnesihed T-Jack with extension. Talib will be back. He will not only will be back he will get an extension. He will have just cost himself money is all.
um, how are Tanard, legarette, and Jones poison?
Playing poorly yes, Blount its playing great just not given the chances or opportunities.
by BucFan727 on Dec 21, 2011 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he will not go to jail imo.
He will get a suspension. But he will not be cut. he will be back on a very short leash.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
I dont think he will even get suspended
Or ever see trial
SMH??
Do you really think Talib can put “on a very short leash”? What in his history makes you think that if he does elude confinement he can be restrained? Explosive anger is a serious mental/behavioral problem and it doesn’t appear he has ever felt any restraint even after multiple, escalating episodes of intemperate violence.
this is the nfl....
and this is the tampa bay bucs…… they will keep him… talnet does trump in the end. sadly. he may need another coach to come in and straighten him out. idk. but to just cut him i dont think that will happen.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Lets Hope they dont keep him! He's Garbage!
We don’t need his crap anymore! He’s a peice of trash, He’s an embarrassment to Represent our team and our City. I don’t like his thug mentality. The taxi driver incident was enough for me. On the field stuff is one thing but when you start screwing up in the community and off the field, then you suck! Plus he’s gotten in like what 4 locker room fights including with coaches! Are you kidding me!?!? He sounds like a cancer! plus he’s injury prone like a MoFo! Give him the boot!
Obviously raheem can't straighten him out
if they do keep raheem they need to cut him, but if they get a new coach I would give him another year.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 20, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Talib did not play exceptionally well this season...
and I don’t feel he will ever become an elite CB – he simply gambles too often. He gets burnt on occasion because of it. Would prefer someone that does not take so many chances.
I would love to see us draft one of the top CB prospects and then sign Cortland Finnegan. I love his aggressive play and he is a talkative scrapper that takes players out of their game.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 20, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully he wasn't with Freeman when
When Freeman cut his thumb at the range, haha! We dont need Talib firing off anymore guns
You could make and argument that
That Talib is a elite corner at the least. He is a shutdown corner on team that is one of the worst against the run and has very little pass russ. Yet he plays the #1 each week None posts huge games agaisnt him. Think of what kind of corner talib would be if he played for a team with a great pass rush, and what his int #s might look like then.
Man im sick of all the man coverage anyhow
Santa i just want a D-coordintor that runs the tampa-2 80% of the time for x-mas. then i dont need 1st round corners
lol huh?
Thier were not good QBs or Os in the 90s or 2000 or 2002? Chicago runs it thier D is fine they just have no recievers or O-line..the Bucs should still use it as a primary base. Morris has just gotten cute and forgotten where he came from. He has tried to get too agresive with recievers running a basic 4-3. What team runs 90% man to man in a 4-3 scheme? 3-4 teams do it for the reason that they can blitz from all over and keep u guessing. Ive not seen a team that runs a 4-3 do this much press man in years. I believe it come from Morris being a d-backs coach and Jimmy Lake. stick to your Tampa 2 and mix in some man coverages they can do that.. But until u get a consistant pass rush u cant just man up like this with a 7th round pick a 36year old corner and a SS who sucks..
Cover 2 really dude?
Maybe you should do some more film study as well because New orleans and Oakland both play alot of 4-3 pressman coverage. The cover 2 its a dated defense that was great for its time period at that time. QBs are too good and offensive coordinators are too creative and will shed it. Yes the bears and Vikings run it but not all the time because teams can shred it. Cover 2 is the same defense teams try to run on Tebow which he shreds with his ARM in two minute offense situations..that says enough right there. What do you think Brees, Rodgers, and Brady would do??
by BucFan727 on Dec 21, 2011 5:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chicago has been running a ton of man coverage and Cover 3 this year
They’ve largely stepped away from the Tampa 2. In fact, that coverage is mostly used as a red zone coverage and two-minute coverage throughout the league, and not much else. And plenty of teams run press-man coverage from a 4-3. There’s no reason whatsoever why you can’t do that.
Comparing today’s passers with 2002 passers is nonsensical. In 2002, Chad Pennington was the only player to throw for 7.9 yards per attempt. This season 9 passers are eclipsing that mark. 9! Quarterbacks have gotten more accurate, smarter and the passing game as a whole has evolved.
And saying that the Bucs did just fine back then is also nonsensical: they had dominant players on defense. If you have that kind of talent, you can make most schemes work. If you want to run a Tampa 2 defense you need a dominant pass rush, at least one very good linebacker and a safety who can stop the run.
Draft a corner in the first round and keep talib as the number 2
Honestly guys, were jusg not good enough to let him go
by Carlitin1988 on Dec 20, 2011 8:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe we should keep him
If he beats the jail time, I say we keep him because our secondary is awful. But demote him to #2 or nickel, re-sign him for average salary with big money performance escalators. We then go after Finnegan in free agency, as our #1 CB & as a last resort Grimes.
by InfamousHp on Dec 20, 2011 11:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i dont like grimes, but he is a pretty good corner
just not sure what you do when your in the playoffs going against megatron and such receivers. but i do like finnegan and i could see us keeping talib as the number two corner ans signing finnegan. Also if we did that we could possibly skip taking a corner and get the O some help or double dipping at LB’s in the draft.
by Carlitin1988 on Dec 21, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting poll results
Apparently there are a quite a few fans who don’t fall into the end justifies the means argument for retaining Talib. Even if you discount the fall back position (if convicted of a felony, yes) a lot of fans are just tired of Talib’s antics. He showed in London that even when under the watchful eye of the Commish, with the Garland incident still clouding his future he doesn’t have the ability to restrain his anger.

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