The Silver Lining: Bucs Currently Pick #6 Overall in the Draft
There's not much to like about the Bucs' record of 4-10. There's even less to like about the prospect of finishing the season 4-12 with the NFL's longest losing streak of 10 games, a possibility that seems probable with away games against the Carolina Panthers and Atlanta Falcons coming up in the next two weeks. But aside from the prospect that such a meltdown might bring about the staff changes that many of us feel are necessary, there's one positive to be taken away from our record. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are currently positioned to pick at number 6 overall in the 2012, and could potentially pick as high as number 4 overall depending on how the season concludes.
A draft pick this high puts us in a great position: we'll be able to choose from amongst the most elite prospects available. Alternatively, we could use our pick to trade down with one of the teams seeking a new quarterback, and gain extra picks in the trade. With multiple positions of need heading towards the offseason, the later option will have definite attractions to whoever is managing the Bucs' personnel decisions in April. Let's have a look at the five teams ahead of us in the draft order and their draft needs, the top prospects that may be available to the Bucs, and the different options that the Bucs can explore.
The Indianapolis Colts (1-13), Minnesota Vikings (2-12), and St. Louis Rams (2-12) will all pick ahead of the Bucs in April, regardless of the results of the remaining games. Even if either the Rams or Vikings win both of their remaining two games (a very unlikely prospect), they would pick ahead of the Bucs based on strength of schedule. If teams have the same record, the draft order is determined by strength of schedule (the total wins of their opponents), lowest picking first and highest picking last. In any conceivable tiebreaker with the other bottom five teams, the Bucs lose- our difficult schedule working against us one last time. Therefore, the highest draft pick that the Bucs can receive is number 4 overall.
The Jacksonville Jaguars and the Cleveland Browns have the same record as the Bucs, 4-12. Cleveland's remaining games are at Baltimore in week 16 and home against Pittsburgh in week 17. Yeah. I think we can safely assume that both the Browns and Bucs will finish 4-12, and that the Browns will pick at #4 overall. How about the Jaguars? In week 16 they play at Tennessee and in week 17 they play at home against Indianapolis. It's probable that Jacksonville can manage a win in at least one of these games, particularly as a second victory by the Colts could ruin their shot at Andrew Luck (St. Louis and Indianapolis are currently tied in strength of schedule numbers at 106) and their other game is against the team that the Colts just defeated. So we can posit that the Bucs will end up with the #5 overall pick.
Who are the top five players available in the draft? Every big board varies on this point, but they tend to have a few similarities. Almost every board lists Andrew Luck as the #1 with the next four players comprised of some combination of four of the following players: QBs Matt Barkley and Robert Griffin III, OT Matt Kalil, WR Justin Blackmon, CB Morris Claiborne, and RB Trent Richardson.
Now the question becomes what those four teams will do with their picks. First we have the Colts. The consensus that the Colts will select Andrew Luck is overwhelming. Luck is considered to be the best quarterback prospect in years and the 2011 Colts have amply demonstrated that without an elite quarterback, their team can't function. Manning is 35 and may have a few good years left, but he can't play forever, and until he takes another snap his status of recovery from his neck fusion surgery remains questionable.
Next we have the Rams, currently ahead of the Vikings due to a strength of schedule number of 106 versus 115. Of the teams preceding the Bucs, the Rams are likeliest to trade down: they seem likely to stick with Sam Bradford at QB and have several key needs to address. If they use the pick, Kalil, Blackmon, and Claiborne would all be excellent choices for their needs. Of the three, Kalil seems the best fit- Jason Smith can safely be considered a flop at this juncture and elite left tackle prospects are rarely available except at the very top of the draft.
Picking third, we have the Vikings. With Kalil off the board and the Vikes presumably sticking with Ponder for at least one more year, Minnesota will have two clear needs/value options: Blackmon and Claiborne. Which will they choose? Hard to say, really. At wide receiver, the Vikings have nothing apart from Percy Harvin. At cornerback, the Viking have....well, no one. Seriously- name a CB who plays for the Vikings (not currently under indefinite suspension for domestic assault). It's hard to separate my biases from this choice, as it would greatly benefit the Bucs if they chose Blackmon, in my opinion. Therefore, I'll leave this as an open question for the moment.
At fourth, the Browns. Some still have Richardson mocked here. I doubt it. The Colt McCoy era hasn't been auspicious for Cleveland. It's hard to see how they'll turn down the opportunity to draft a potential franchise quarterback. I think they'll pick either Barkley or RG3, depending on who they think will better fit their scheme.
So finally, we're here at the Bucs' pick, #5 overall. Luck and Kalil are off the board, as are Claiborne or Blackmon and Barkley or Griffin III. Who do we choose? Only one option seems like a no-brainer. If the Vikings pick Blackmon and Claiborne is still on the board, I think that the Bucs need to take him without hesitation. Cornerback is arguably our biggest need and Claiborne is the consensus number one cornerback in the draft. Claiborne measures in at 6'1", 185 lbs., and is projected to run a 4.40 40. This season he notched 6 interceptions, 5 passes broken up, and 46 tackles (28 solo). If Claiborne is off the board? Things get more interesting.
One option that's worth seriously considering? Look for a team that wants to trade up to take Barkley/RG3 and grab as many extra picks as we can. We've got a lot of holes to fill on our roster, and with Claiborne gone there's no perfect needs/value match at #5 overall. Possible trading partners could include Miami, Washington, Seattle, and Kansas City. Miami and Washington are particularly intriguing as they will likely pick only three to eight spots behind us. Depending on how far back they are, we could gain a second or third round pick and a fourth round pick, and still land one of our top targets at a key need position. I personally hope that St. Louis doesn't trade away their pick and we're in a position to do precisely this, if Claiborne is off the board.
If we can't find a trading partner or Bucs management is averse to the idea, what would be our options under this scenario if we keep the pick? A couple of names stand out. Justin Blackmon, the sensational wide receiver from Oklahoma State, would be an excellent choice if we want to go with the BVA. He's 6'1", 208 lbs, projected to run a 4.48, and had 113 receptions for 1,336 yards and 15 touchdowns this season. Do we need another wide receiver badly enough to burn a first round pick on one? I don't think so, but others disagree. Trent Richardson, the Alabama star running back and Heisman finalist, is another great value who could bring an instant spark to our offense. He's a more complete back than Blount and would likely get the starting position. Again, I feel that using a first round pick on a position where we already have a quality starter is a luxury- but others may disagree. Jonathan Martin, the OT who's protected Andrew Luck's blind side, deserves consideration. He's 6'6", 305 lbs., and performs well in both pass blocking and run blocking. He'd be a solid long term investment in our O-line, but #5 overall seems far too high for a player who would likely play as right tackle for the foreseeable future.
Other players who would meet our needs include Luke Kuechly (ILB from Boston College), Dre Kirkpatrick (CB from Alabama), and Zach Brown (OLB from North Carolina). All of these players would fit our needs well and be instant starters, but any of them would likely be considered a stretch at #5 overall. If we can trade down with Miami or Washington, at least one of these guys should still be on the board when we pick.
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ok well you left out one possibilty
ok now lets say youre the GM Clev has picked either RG3 or Barkly, either or But you have the other QB rated higher.. not only do you have them rated higher but you have them rated as a better long term Pro prospect that Free.. do you draft the QB play Free for a year or 2 while u develope the younger QB then at that time u decide to trade Free or the younger QB in a draft that is not as deep in quality QBS for mutiple picks? just thought i waould toss that out there…you are talkin about THE most important possition on the field and if the bucs were to trade out for say 2 or 3 extra pick like say an 2nd 4th and 5th plus trading our fist possition with someone and Free does not work out as we hope with the continuation af added talent the bucs will not be in a possition to draft this high and to draft a franchase QB again without giving up and kings ransom..Im not saying this is what should be done..but i dont see to much harm with drating the top rated player if he is a QB at this point waiting a year or 2 and decide what to do with the pick depending on how the 2 young QBs develope..
If we were the Patriots or the Steelers, I could see this happening
But we’re not rich and deep with talent, we’re poor and thin. Burning a first round pick on a developmental prospect is a luxury we can’t afford.
I considering throwing out the idea that we could draft a QB ourselves, but I just don’t see at a realistic choice. Freeman is still too early in his development for us to seriously consider replacing him, and we have much more serious needs that must be addressed.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
yes i agree
but this sitiutaion would simpley force you to make up for some of the talent in free agency for the short term. Until you decided which QB to keep long term. I remember the bucs had a QB named Dilfer who showed flashes everyone thought he would get better. meanwhile the bucs were knocked out of the playoffs for several years do to not having a QB who played as well as the team around him.
Dilfer never had a season even remotely close to Freeman's 2010 season
He also never had the tools Freeman had.
Look
Obviously you don’t think Freeman is the long term solution for the Bucs at QB. That’s fine, and he’s certainly had a terrible season. But I doubt that you’ll find many coaches or GMs ready to give up a 1st round pick to replace him instead of giving the guy another year to develop. Barkley or RG3 wouldn’t be an instant fix for the Bucs.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
im NOT saying this at all
Im a long time Bucs fan i am Free fan .. BUT trust this im a BUC before a Free fan or any other player. Now as much as i like Free the jury is still out.. Free had a good season against a weak schedule OK . now this season against much better D he had a horrible year .. Have i given up on Free? Hell no.. but the last thing i want as a Buc fan is to develope a team and not have the best possible QB in place and if that means I have an opertunity to draft a top QB prospect and to let the 2 battle it out for a year or 2 while the bucs draft and develope young players..then come back and trade THE QB who loses the battel to the higher bidder then so be it.. Now once again this would be contengent on me seeing that prospect as one who i think has as much or more upside then Free
That's fine
I just disagree that Barkley has as much or more upside as Freeman. RG3, maybe. But even if he was available, I don’t think it’s worth the cost. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that point.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks dude
fistbump
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Like Brees/ Rivers in SD
I like the thought, gives us options and might light a fire under Free.
i never said give up on him
im not looking for instant fixes or band-aids..im not one who had a heart attack then the bucs did not spend in free agency.. this team is still at least 2 years away.. but when the talent level is finally there i want my best option callin the shots..and if that means i wait a year or 2 for a second lock down corner then so be it…
Dude!
Im sorry no offense dude but this is a Ridiculous Idea! Just pick a first round talent QB and hope he works out in a year or 2 just so that we can possibly trade him or Freeman in 2 years? And fill gaps in the team with free agents? C’mon man! The Glazers nor anybody in the NFL would go for that.
Blackmon
We don’t need Blackmon but i say if he’s on the board still, we might as well get him! He looks like he’ll be an explosive NFL player. He’s got speed and skills our offense could use a WR playmaker like that. Also We could use a good TE. Trading down could possibly land us one
I would trade down
If Blackmon was a little bigger or a little faster I might lean toward selecting him, but he isn’t. I like Blackmon, there are a lot of positives about him, but I think he falls short of being worth the sixth overall pick.
i dont either
nor do i believe anyone on the board by possition is worth # 5 except kalil ..but what would u do if the right package of picks is not offered and u could take Barkley or Rg3 what would u want as a package deal to trade back to # 7 or 8 and would u do it IF YOU believed in your heart that the QB you could draft has more upside or do u go to the owners and have to come off you philoshy and lil and draft the QB sign some free agents and trade one off later?
I have no idea what you're trying to say, here
It is literally unreadable because there is no punctuation. Please, try to make your comments more legible.
ok
lets say, youre sitting with the 5th pick. Barkley is there. You believe that Barkley is a better pro propect with more upside than Freeman has. Do you draft the QB ? if not and u decide to trade back to pick #7 or 8 what package of picks would u want in return?
No, I don't draft the QB
If we’re only trading down 2 or 3 spots, you can probably net the first round pick and an extra third round pick.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
so youre saying
you would trade a QB who you believe to be a better pro prospect than Free for a 2spot trade back and picking up a #3?
Precisely
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Any assessment of an untested rookie measures potential
Potential doesn’t automatically translate to success. We have a much better sense of Freeman’s upside after 2 1/2 seasons, because we’ve seen both his strengths and liabilities in 30-something NFL starts. A rookie can be assessed, but you can’t truly get a sense of what their ultimate upside is until they play the pro game.
It’s academic anyway as I think Freeman was a better rookie prospect than Barkley.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
if he was a better prospect
He would have been rated #3 talent on the big board like Barkley was and drafted in the top 5.. Free was projected by most as a second rounder and by many considered a reach and a mistake by the Bucs
I'm aware of that
I simply disagree.
If you recall, conventional wisdom last year was that Blaine Gabbert would probably be a better QB prospect than Cam Newton. Then they both actually played the pro game- and look at the results.
Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell were once considered top prospects. So was Peyton Manning. There are no guarantees with a rookie.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
there were more knocks
on Ryan Leaf . Cam Newton ..Blaine Gabbert and Russel than any of the top 3 prospects in this draft.. This is considered the best QB draft in a DECADE
I would not draft a QB in the first round at all
And Barkley does not have more upside than Freeman. You can’t give up on Freeman, there are many more holes and having two first-round QBs on the roster is a recipe for disaster.
As for trading back – for trading back two or three picks an extra third rounder is probably about as good as you’re going to get. If there are multiple teams who want the team you might be able to push that higher.
sorry double post
im not saying they do..But if im a GM and or new head coach and i believe one of them do..im drafting them..no matter..your job is to try and improve your team. and there is not better way to do so then to improve your QB
OK
Why would your team be more improved by slightly upgrading a non-need position, rather than drafting two players at need positions?
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
its the position
possision of importance. QB#1 LT#2 Speed rusher#3 and on down the line . You can still build your team but u have increased your odds by 100% that you will have a franchise QB you can recoupe the picks at a later date. ok lets say u play Free next year and he plays lights out. in the next draft You can still recoupe the pick and still pick up another pick for the young QB you drafted.. What if Free does not play well and throws 24 ints? but u added more talent to you team and your young players improve during the offseason. You will not have an opertunity to Draft this top 5 QB again.
I understand
It would be worth considering if 1) it was RG3 or Luck we were talking about and 2) we didn’t have so many other glaring needs. Value is great, and BVA is a good philosophy in theory. But I don’t think Matt Barkley is worth our first round pick, and I think we need to address our other needs before we even pose this question.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with that is
once u fix your other needs you never have the chance again.. your team is to good. ok for argument sake..the bucs trade the pick . the team developes. But Free does not turn into the QB we had all hoped for . Then what? u draft another Qb and wait for them to develope when u can do it now?..its not like in past years where the #5 pick cost you so much it would cap criple your franchise. You can carry this insurance for a year or 2 ..If free works out u win.. You come back and trade the qb you drafted. If Free plays well But the younger QB still beats him out u really win u get mutiple picks for Free your best case senerio is they both play well and develope. what better asset is there to have. then when your team has developed u have someone to trade to help puch your talent level over the top..I mean before the rookie cap i never would have considered this.. now i do !!
I understand the idea
and it’s not a bad strategy if you think you can pick a quality developmental prospect. I simply don’t think it’s the best strategic move for Bucs personally. I’ll include taking a QB as an option in future draft articles, but you’re not going to convince me that we’d be better off drafting Barkley than we would be trading down and drafting Kuechly or Kirkpatrick and getting some extra picks.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think what makes the above scenario different...
is the we CAN win with Freeman. RG3 and Barkley are interesting prospects, but it does nothing for our crappy DB and LB corps, or does not address our OL woes, so selecting a developmental QB prospect would not be the most judicious use of our early pick.
Now if another team bundled something for us to trade down a little bit – I would probably be on board with that.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
team need has no bearing
not when drafting this high.. your only concern is drafting the best player. the one you believe to be a probowler for years. bruce allen used top 10 picks on team needs and did not take the best player on the board Gains was the perfect example . AP was the highest rated player on the board by far at the number 4 slot that year.. look what we missed on? because we had a back? one bad knew later for us and how many pro bowls for AP? best back in football
im not saying that either
but for the right package ..and yes ive tossed it around a lot. such as what would it take. now with the old draft calculator its all bs. trading down in the draft is worth more picks now than in previous years. the rookie cap did this. a team that trades up and takes say a QB at #5 is not taking half the finacial risk as in previous years. but thier posible reward is huge. that makes the risk of a suken loss for that franchise more profitable for the team trading back. Everyone flipped last year when Atl and No traded up to get the players that they recieved. but they did so before anyone caught onto the facts that the risk was much less. The bucs actually changed that a little bit when they made all of clabornes contract gauranteed.. or those 2 would have done very well. the talent of top 10 plyers is a peak. and now with so much less finacial risk to trade into the top 10 or even a couple spots in the first round the cost of picks is worth double as in previous years.. so say in past drafts moving back 3 spots was woth a 3rd rounder ..now moving back 3 spots is worth a 3rd rounder in back to back drafts if not a little bit more:)
I didn't say more than RG3
I said more than Barkley. Because Freeman simply has much better physical tools than Barkley.
I wouldn't call it a silver lining
until we know who will be coaching next year. I’d hate to see more young talent wasted by these lame ducks in charge now.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 19, 2011 7:52 PM EST reply actions
I see it as an opportunity
Could it be wasted? Sure. I hope not though- I prefer to focus on the possibilities and throw out ideas that are positive.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I know what you are saying
I just can’t be too optimistic until I know who will be in charge
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by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 19, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
OH GOD, BITE YOUR TONGUE!
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Don't encourage him!
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
This could become good
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Kuechly could be the next Urlacker
Yes we need the best CB, or 2, but LB wouldn’t hurt on his level.
I would take Kuechly over Kirkpatrick
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Tackling has been a downside and Kuechly tackles!
LB is critical for D and with Foster and Watson and Kuechly that would change dramatically. Then go after the best corners we can get.
Yeah, he could be a real foundation player for us
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
It would be nice to see double digit tackles from our ILB again.
It is sad to see Sean Jones as our leading tackler this year.
Hell, he's nearly as old as Ronde.
Also he’s signed through 2013.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Of course!
I should have remembered.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
St Louis Rams
The bucs have some huge holes, linebacker and cornerback are probably the biggest. I’d really like to see the bucs solidify their offensive line. The offensive line has supposed to be a strength for years and it NEVER materializes. Faine and Trueblood are the highest paid culprits. St Louis back in the day already had Pace but had a high pick and used it on Baron to solidify the unit. Baron would start at RT as a rookie but be groomed to be the LT of the future. I think Freeman is still a franchise QB and with strict coaching will return to form and continue to ascend. He should be protected and given a top tier offensive line with truly the talent to dominate teams.
Presuming that Kalil is already off the board
Would you take Martin or David DeCastro or would you wait for the second or third round? My thinking is that we need to immediately address the RT position in this draft, possibly the LG/C position if there’s a good needs/value pick. But I would wait until the third round or later.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
AGREED
I completely agree. Zuttah may be best at center, Larsen is a backup with the ability to develop into a starter but neither is a quality starter currently. The bucs should have made a splash free agent signing last year of Doug Free or signed Brandon McKinney. Trueblood is a constant disappointment, when not getting burnt by left ends he is being called for holding and false starts. A lot was made of the bucs lacking leadership, where was Trueblood he is a 6 year veteran. Sorry I digress, I think only tackles have true value in the first round, in the later a once in 5 year center is ok eg a Pouncy or Mangold. Elite guards can be found in the 2nd and even 3rd, realistically they usually fairly reasonable free agents. Bottom line the Glazers need to open up their wallets.
by Jeff Auerbach on Dec 19, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
center in the 3rd
the kid from OSU ..if the Bucs trade out of the 6th pick and trade back Martin or the LT from Iowa would work ..either could play RT and hold up fine with thier run blocking
We need to either
Pick Richardson, or trade back for a King’s ransom.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 19, 2011 9:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How did I know you would have that opinion?
;-)
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 20, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Richardson is an elite back
and much more dangerous than Blount. He can block, catch, and he is an academic all american so the playbook wouldnt be tough for him (as it is for Blount). However, Blount (given a decent backup) could be a servicable back until we sure up other more needed positions.
I'd trade it
but I’d take Blackmon if I couldn’t trade.
Nice wite up.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 19, 2011 9:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Thanks aakks
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
At 6 we could have Claiborne fall to us.
It’s a stretch, but its possible. If he doesn’t trade back a few slots and pick up a 2nd or 3rd. With the rookie contracts being much lower now, teams would be a lot more willing to trade.
by flash_kiley on Dec 19, 2011 11:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
its not that big of a stretch
how many corners have ever been drafted in the top 5.? with the QBS in this draft he or blackmon will be there
Look at Patrick Peterson last year
There’s precedent. D-backs are being valued more highly as time goes by.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 20, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
It could happen, and that would be superb
But we can’t count on it happening. He’s a huge talent and several teams ahead of us could use him too.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 20, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think we can rely solely on the draft
We need the best available safety our linebacker in free agency that way we can pick up another cb and lb in the first couple of rounds
by Carlitin1988 on Dec 19, 2011 11:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i agree
this team needs a LG RT C a second WR and a backup RB just on O that 5 players then on D at least 1 LB a CB and a SS thats 8 players thats at least 3 drafts plus time to develope.. thats way to long need to atleast fill 3 of those spots in free agency to be competive the next couple years
The best safeties in free agency are LaRon Landry and Micheal Griffin.
Not sure if we are willing to spend that kind of money. There aren’t really that good of linebackers in free agency, either. Best bet it seems would be to trade back, get an extra second. Draft Kirkpatrick or Kuechly, then draft Mark Barron or TJ McDonald in the second. And depending on if we went LB or CB in the first, we get the other with our other second rounder. And LaMichael James in the third.
My vote would be Kuechly, move Foster to weak side, plug in Watson at strong side. Pair Barron with Tanard, and bring in Tracy Porter to pair with Jayron Hosley that we draft in the second. If Aqib somehow stays we can put Hosley in as the nickel back, and let him grow.
by flash_kiley on Dec 20, 2011 12:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep
Trade back with Miami/Washington, Kuechly, Barron/McDonald, Gilmore/Hosley/Hayward/Trufant/Rhodes, James: that would be an epic draft.
There aren’t very many good LBs in FA this year. Stephen Tulloch would be an intriguing option. Tulloch, Kuechly, Foster, Watson, and Hayward on board gives us a lot of good potential LB configurations.
Landry would be great if we’re willing to expend the money, as would Carlos Rogers at CB.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 20, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, Carlos Rogers
The guy will be 31 next year so I believe he would be a expensive short term investment. I’d much rather Cortland Finnegan.
by BucFan727 on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Finnegan's another good option
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 21, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
We could potentially get Landry pretty cheap
He is about to undergo achilles surgery. Who knows if he’ll be as good as he was, but I’m up for taking the risk if the medical staff thinks he can play.
Yugly.
No doubt
Stephen Tulloch would be my ideal choice at LB, though (like my ideal CB FA choice, Carlos Rogers) we’d have to wrestle him away from the team that offered him a one year deal and got him to the playoffs.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 20, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Great article
I say trade down to a team in the ten-ish range if possible and then take Kirkpatrick or Kuechly, forcing Foster to the an outside LB spot.
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
You is good grammar maker
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 20, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks man- and you're reading my mind
Claiborne first choice, trade down and take Kuechly (1st choice) or Kirkpatrick (2nd choice) as the backup plan.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 20, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
The only problem with Kirkpatrick
is he is injury prone. He has had shoulder surgery twice in the last three years. He is a shut down corner but his run support is lacking.
I'm not as thrilled with our first round pick options
What I am thrilled about is the fact that we pick early in every round, so,our second round pick might be very good (1st round caliber maybe) also let’s just say we get laron landry and go corner back the first two picks. Then I think our linebackers will be in a better situation
by Carlitin1988 on Dec 20, 2011 12:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd love if we could manage to land Landry
and yeah, we’re in a great spot to clean up the BVAs that fall into the next round.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 20, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Personally, I'd take Blackmon out of those options available.
When is the last time the Bucs had a receiver that put any fear into DBs. Keyshawn maybe? I like Williams a lot, would love him as a #2. Parker would get a big boost too in the slot.
I’ve seen a ton of Martin at Stanford out here on the West Coast. Kid is a stud, but seems like a stretch at #4-5.
Not sold on any LB being a possibility that early.
Kirkpatrick strikes me as the type of athlete who will gain a ton of stock at the Combine/Pro Day scene. Could be a fit there. Tough to imagine 2 CBs going Top 5 though.
Sidenote:
The Browns have a better shot of winning one of those two that the Bucs do of winning one with how they’ve played all year. No true blowouts, though that Baltimore game looked like one besides the score.
"I have one word for you...Be careful."
-Jose Guillen
Combines will change a lot of the current conventional wisdom
As will team interviews, etc. It’s still very early after all.
I still believe that Williams and Benn could improve greatly with a new coach and offensive coordinator. This is also a very deep draft class for WRs, and there are some good ones available in FA.
Problem is, Baltimore and Pittsburgh are still battling for playoff positioning and the AFCN crown- I don’t think they’ll ease up down the stretch. Not mention that Cleveland’s offense is pretty awful.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 21, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Picking 6
I think we have a a pretty good shot for claiborne and if not trade down and get another 2nd round pick and get a LB or CB in the first or second or vise versa
by Jediel3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This is a dream draft for me
1. Kuechly after a trade for an extra 2nd rounder
2. Any 2 of the following corners: Dennard, Minnifield, Gilmore, Boykin
3. Lamichael James
I think this is not too unrealistic, although Dennard and Minnifield probably won’t make it to the 2nd round. If either slips though, we’ll be there early.
Yugly.
I might substitue a RT for a second CB
But otherwise, that’s my dream draft as well. Not to mention my dream free agency, which involves bringing in a veteran CB and veteran LB before the draft.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 21, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
I like that a lot.
I would rather Jayron Hosley from Va. Tech. over Minnifield, but I understand what you are saying. Minnifield has really taken a step back this year from whatever reason. He went from preseason all-ACC to the biggest disappointments list by the end of the season.
by flash_kiley on Dec 20, 2011 2:41 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Trent Richardson
Sorry to say.. and i love Blount but i dont think he is a starting back. he would be a great second back to spell. Good one two punch. We depend on Blount too much and we are asking him to do more than what he is capable of.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
I whole-heartedly agree with you.
….Blount would be the back up. If the Bucs were to get T-Rich. I am not sure they would draft him though. The kid is amazing.
I also believe that one of those good CB's will fall to us in the second round as well
We need to stop depending on rookies to come in and save us by starting immediately. Get some veterans in…. Make some trades
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!

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