How I Know It's Over for Morris
by Buc Wild on Dec 19, 2011 11:00 AM EST
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PrintA quick rant on the last 36 hours of Bucs football. This is my take in the heat of the moment, not necessarily what anyone else here thinks. Feel free to sound off below.
I'd like to think that over the last 2.5 years I've been relatively supportive of Raheem and the organization. We all suffered through the 3-13 season, we continued to support the team, I kept my season tickets even though the team (in 2009 and 2011) is about as fun as watching paint dry, but there comes a point when you just have to walk away from certain aspects of an organization and realize change is needed. We've talked for weeks about what we think in regards to keeping Raheem or bringing in coordinators. We've debated Mark Dominik's status and talked about which players should stay or go. After the 31-15 loss to the Cowboys where we looked lost for 45+ minutes, I see the end for Morris.
How do I know it's the end? We've changed the level of acceptability. Morris no longer is discouraged with this play, but rather offered up this telling quote. He's pleased at the second half of football, specifically saying,
Fortunately, for us, the team didn’t die on us like last week
Uh, that's a problem. First, you acknowledge that the team quit on you last week (duh), but now, you are trying to make this a positive, the fact that the team showed some second half life. Whoop-de-doo.
Then, he offers up this beauty.
They fought back, they came back in the second half, they didn’t surrender, but they’ve got to come out faster.
Hey Raheem, that's YOUR job to get them out of the gate faster. For almost 30 games now we've been a slow starter. It is your job and your job alone to figure this out. The players play and execute but you have to put them in the right position. You've failed to do that.
We've lowered the bar in Tampa. No longer are we talking about competing for the playoffs, winning 10 games, causing some damage to other teams. Instead we almost laud the team for not quitting. Well congratulations guys, you didn't quit! Here's your participation trophy.
Those quotes right there tell me either Morris doesn't get it or is just trying to find words to get him through the next 2.5 weeks. Either way, the fans, including myself won't accept games like last night. We won't accept the team simply trying as being a success. We want to compete for titles and if Morris, the players, and others in the organization see not quitting as a sign of progress, please find the nearest exit and don't return. That's unacceptable.
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What's he going to say at this point?
I don’t know why he even bothers with the press conferences anymore. This team HAS quit. He is looking for bright spots as the plane tumbles to earth in flames. And, really, what else can he do at this point? It is over. We know it. He knows it. The players know it.
Yugly.
This reaks of an inexperienced head coach. There are certain things you don't say to the media
Apparently Raheem didnt get the message
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
If that IS what they will do, I would like to see him gone sooner than later...
the sooner the info is out there – the sooner the HC candidates interested can make their play. We should not wait while more aggressive teams snatch up the top candidates. Many can be contacted right now…
It's not happening before Week 17 ends.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Logistics.
Not everything can be done on demand. Same with firing a CEO. You have to put the infrastructure in place. We dont have that right now so we cant let him go without a contigency plan (we have none) or support staff (we have none)
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I think that is ridiculous honestly
That is just an excuse. Nothing you guys have said on this subject has convinced me, at all, that we couldn’t put in an interim coach for a few meaningless games.
Yugly.
The team and organization dont cease to exist at the end of Week 17 and then we start over.
There has to be some continuity. Look at KC, they brought in Crennel (DC) and had some continuity. Jacksonvolle brought in Tucker (DC) for continuity. We cant end up with a Vikings situation where players are ignoring the coaches calls. It seems easy to just up and fire him, but there are a lot of dynamics that go on. We have to consider the present and future of the organization. Coaches are less likely to sign on if they see these moves. Morris, as do most coaches, deserves to be let go in a professional manner. He deserves a year end review. We also arent hiring anyone for the last 2 games so there is no rush from a financial perspective to let someone go.
We have no DC, our OC is likely gone and why move a position coach into the HC position when thats what we did this time?
What does firing Morris today do? Nothing. We dont win more games, players do support Morris (look at Barber for example) and they deserve the respect we didnt show Brooks and company.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
He deserved to be fired 3 weeks ago
If the players ‘supported’ Morris they’d be playing harder for him. This team has completely given up, and they are a national embarrassment. If you want to consider the future of the franchise you draw the line and fire the coach.
Sorry, I am not buying what you are selling in the least. Any one of the assistants could be made assistant coach and it wouldn’t have been even a tiny bit worse than what we’ve seen the last 3 weeks.
Yugly.
I dont buy the whole "play harder for the coach" deal.
You shouldnt need motivation like that at this level and at that point (coach on hot seat) its probably too late.
Who do you promote? Jimmy Lake? Van Pelt? There isn’t a viable person to promote because its about more than who wears the headset on game day. Those guys may be less prepared than Morris, they may not be part of the Glazers plan, they may not have a relationship with all parts of the team. Whether we like it or not, the Glazers are savvy business people, as are most owners. They do mess up but they do not make rash decisions. They plan and calculate and make calculated moves.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
No you shouldn't need that motivation, that is a different topic
It doesn’t matter who you promote. How could anyone be worse? It is literally impossible to be worse. And it might even be better. I wouldn’t expect that, but it might be.
No, you draw a line and fire the head coach. Fire Olsen. Promote whichever assistant you are most comfortable with. It really doesn’t matter. The point is to say “This is not Buc football. This is completely unacceptable.”
Yugly.
Things would be worse
From an organizational standpoint, from a coaching standpoint for players, but maybe not
If you move on to a position coach as interim coach, you throw a lot of things on his plate that he’s never had to deal with, you force him to be the head of a lot of people he never has worked with. Being a head coach isn’t just a job you can roll into from one day to the other.
Moreover, you take him away from his position group and leave holes in your coaching staff at other positions. And if that position coach has some success, he’s going to be a candidate for a head coaching position next year when he really shouldn’t be. All so you can get Raheem Morris out of the building two weeks sooner?
You keep saying “It couldn’t be worse”. Well, why would this make it better?
This is where we have to put some degree of faith/trust in the Glazers that they have a model and can adapt it.
Yes, this model failed, but it doesnt mean it always will. They have been successful before so we have to trust that as businessmen and professionals they will re-evaluate and make the necessary moves. Lets not forget they got rid of a HUGELY popular Dungy due to "failures’ of not winning the big one. I don’t agree with all of their decisions, but I have faith in their prowess here.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Of course he isn't going to be a candidate for the HC position
and that would be made clear up front. All your ‘worse’ predictions are meaningless when we’re getting blown out every single game.
Yes, I think it is absolutely worth it to just get him out for 2 games.
Yugly.
I don't disagree with your feelings on the team.
Im just poitning out the other side of the coin. We’re all on the same side here.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I just don't see an 'other side of the coin' here
I know you’re trying, but I see zero meaningful arguments from you or Sander to keep Morris. They’re just excuses. When you’re about to clean house you really don’t need to worry about ‘oh no the position coach might have too many responsibilities’. You don’t worry about the message it sends to the next coach, because you WANT that message to be ‘get blown out over and over and you’re gone’.
I just don’t see another side to this one. It is as no-brainer as no-brainers get as far as I’m concerned.
Yugly.
Thats not how an organization thinks. You have to see this from the perspective of a multi-million dollar organization.
NOTHING is done without a hundred meetings,d iscussions, plans and such. I don’t know where you work, but the places I have worked in my career, you can’t order a pencil without 10 meetings (slight exaggeration). There is no reward in firing him now, they accomplish nothing. As prudent business people, you don’t take a risk unless there is reward. Plain and simple. I agree, Morris should be fired, but I also am willing to understand this from an org. perspective.
Doesnt mean I would be pissed if he was fired today.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Where I work I would have been fired after ONE week's performance this bad
And I’m not easily replaceable. It would take months and months and months of training, and nobody onsite can do my job. I still would be fired if I had even a single week as bad as any of these blowouts have been. Where I work we have accountability for our performance.
And there is great reward in firing him now when it comes to season ticket sales. From what I hear, people are cancelling in droves and there is a deadline to buy this week (at a discount) that isn’t helping.
Sorry, I think they are doing much, much more damage to the organization by keeping him than by firing.
Yugly.
Are you a manager/supervisor?
If your reports screwed up this bad, who would be fired? Where I work, I would take hear, but I wouldnt be canned, the associates (players) would be.
You also have a young, black head coach in a league that is trying to emphasize diversity. I don’t believe anyone should keep their job based on color, but there are so many factors here that we arent considering.
People arent cancelling in droves. TIcket sales will be at this same level until we win. The 3-13 year didnt drive people away. Losing Brooks didnt drive people away like they said it would. Its a gradual decline. I see very little to gain outside of appeasing a few people who will be fine once we ultimately fire them.
Are you going to be any more mad if we fire him in two weeks vs today? By the time March rolls around, the timing issue will be a moot point, but the organization will still be there.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I'm a VP but I also do a ton of 'real' work (engineering)
People die if we screw up.
And regarding ticket sales, that isn’t what I’m hearing anecdotally. It is just anecdote, but I think you’re off base on that. A lot of people stuck by the 3 win team because it was the coaches first year, not 3 years into a rebuild.
You’re right about this blowing over eventually when he is fired, but so what? That’s the reason he’s sticking around?
Yugly.
YOu have to understand decisions arent made overnight.
And for the record, don’t take my posts as condescendnig related to your job, was merely trying to make a point, not insult anyone.
I’m a season ticket holder. My butt is in the seats, on-site since 2003. Attendance is certainly down, but it’s not any worse than I would expect now (last year was the abberation).
He’s around for the next two weeks because he provides more stability than anyone else at this point. The team is on two road games. If you make a move, you do it for a reason and you do it at the best time for the organization, not just the fans. What do the players, other coaches, and org members gain from a firing today?
We also dont know what promises were made behind scenes or what convos were had. If Morris has assurances from the Glazers that he would last through the year, I want them to keep that. That will back up that they are men of their word
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I'm not insulted by this conversation at all, not sure why you thought i was
And I thought the firing should have been made 3 weeks ago, which would have been plenty of time for an interim coach to get going.
And I wasn’t talking attendance, but season ticket sales for the xmas promo they have going on. I know maybe a half dozen season ticket holders here in orlando, and not one of them is renewing right now. These are people who stuck it out through the last 3 years.
As for behind the scenes assurances to Morris, I have no way to know anything about that. However, if they were made, that shoots a hole in your competent businessman argument.
And what do the players, coaches, and fans gain from a firing today? Direction.
Yugly.
Direction that will change in 3 weeks again.
Better to wait until a plan is in place than to constantly change and adapt.
I thought the Texans game was the start, but they played well enough in Green Bay to probably give him a few more weeks and by the next blowout, it just made sense internally to stick it out.
Promises, guarantees,w hatever are made all the time. Giving someone until a certain date, allowing them the respect of finishing out a year. They also are paying two coaches right now, not sure they want to be pay two coaches to sit at home.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I just don't agree
Not at all.
In any case it doesn’t matter. They aren’t getting rid of him until after the season no matter what I think they should do. And he’s definitely gone then.
Yugly.
I would venture to predict
Raheem doesn’t get let go now or even after the season. Changes will be made potentially i.e. bring in a DC, but I would say Raheem stays. The Glazers are running this team on the cheap at least until 2013
Interesting prediction.
Wont make you very popular with the natives here!
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Plus Gruden is off the books this year and Raheem is only on for one more year and for a HC was cheap.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I also think that raheem will be back next year (as much as I hate to say it) but I also think win or lose he is gone in 2013
If you want to find out who will be coaching the Bucs in 2013, look at the list of potential candidates, find the best one that won’t be available untill 2013 and that’s our new coach,
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 19, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't see him surviving this
and remember that the Glaziers offered Gruden a huge contract when they hired him. He was also the third coach that they went after, and the money wasn’t apparently an issue with either of the other two. They’re not nearly as cheap as people believe.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
not with players either
the bucs went after many free agents once the team was ready to win in the late 90s and 2000s.. Plus they have taken care of many injured players they did not have to..Sims (spleen) Caddy could havve been released when he returned the first or second time the Glaziers paid him.. They just believe in putting a value on a player and sticking to it..im fine with that after some of the bone head deals Mckay did that put us in cap hell
I suspect that part of the reason the team is waiting until Black Monday
aside from those already mentioned by BucWild and Sander above, is that the Glaziers are trying to come to a decision about Dominik as well. Nothing more than a hunch.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ya I've been wondering that too
Dom’s contract runs a lot longer, but if they think this needs to be totally torn down again he is not safe. I think odds are he stays, but it is not a sure thing.
Yugly.
I don't think Dom is in trouble...
he has been wearing a headset up in the press box listening to the coaches communication…obviously he is evaluating. I don’t think he would be evaluating the coaching staff if he were on the chopping block. Just my two cents.
It's very possible that Dominik is held over
Particularly considering that he’s got a lot of time left on his contract. At the very least though, I’d speculate that the Glaziers have had some…intense…..meetings with Dom in the past week or two. Change is coming.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Great peice BucWild!
Finally, someone that isn’t all pewter rainbows and flowers about this team makes a statement. I like it.
So this what it's like to have a team and a coach both know that the coach is gonna be fired at the end of the season?
I kind of feel bad for Morris. His fiery attitude doesn’t work anymore. No matter what the players say during the week, they sure don’t show that they are playing to save their coaches job. Maybe they are tired of being whipped every week…
by flash_kiley on Dec 19, 2011 11:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Its because Raheem was always only a fiery attitude
And now he has completely lost that. He has no business as a HC in the NFL at this point in time.
by IceyPirate on Dec 19, 2011 11:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
When the team gets down, they look to Raheem for answers, and he doesn’t have them. You can tell from his press conferences. We can’t protect our franchise QB, we can’t stop the run or pass, we quit running our should be 1000 yard rusher after the first quarter, and we can’t throw the ball more than yards downfield…hurray up offseason…
by flash_kiley on Dec 19, 2011 11:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The whole playing for a coach thing seems to be a myth.
Why wouldnt you try hard every game? You dont want until your coach is about to be fired to decide to try hard.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
"Hey Raheem, that's YOUR job to get them out of the gate faster."
It looks like Mo doesn’t know football!!!
"In life, you'll have your back up against the wall many times. You might as well get used to It." - Coach Paul 'Bear' Bryant
Put the man out of his misery
Im not a Raheem hater, I actually think under better circumstances he could have been a good coach.
But this team IS lacking talent in key places and he isnt talented enough as a coach to overcome those deficiencies.
How much better would another coach do if the talent level isnt increased at some point between now and next season?
Josh Freeman will be better than Matt Ryan, Cam Newton cant compete with FreeFive. Not so sure about Drew Brees.
Well said, BW. A trained monkey could coach this team better.
and there goes our season
OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
Trained Monkey riding a dog?
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Two people could have saved raheem
Caddy, and Ruud. Caddy was the heart and soul of the offense, Ruud (like it or not) was obviously the brain of the defense.You can point fingers and say they haven’t done anything for their new teams, but you are missing the point, it’s what they meant to this team that really matters. Raheem just couldn’t cut it without those two guys to back him up.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 19, 2011 1:17 PM EST reply actions
Sorry to break this to you, but nobody could win with the talent on this team.
October 28th, 2011-- a date which will live in infamy--
OTTOTD.com
I disagree. Completely.
We beat a playoff bound Falcons team. We beat a playoff bound Saints team. Our schemes are not good. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying we have a ton of talent or we don’t have holes to fill, but this isn’t some 0-16 retread. Freeman, Williams, Blount, Benn, Winslow are all capable starters but have regressed horribly. Our DL is good. Talib is a good corner, but they arent in position to win.
This is not an elite team, but it is a team with some talent, just not enough and not good enough coaching.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
of the guys you mentioned above...would they start on the other
NFC South teams?
Think about it. Would Freeman start over Brees? No. Cam Newton? No. Matt Ryan? Probably not. Would Williams be a #1 WR for Carolina, Atlanta, or New Orleans? Not even close…in fact, he wouldn’t be #2 on ATL or NO. Would Blount start over Michael Turner? no. DeAngelo Williams at Carolina? Nope. New Orleans runs a RB by commitee, so he could possibly get carries there but is he better than Mark Ingram, Darren Sproles, or Pierre Thomas? Would Benn see the field with any of those teams? doubt it. Would Kellen Winslow start over N.O.’s TE Jimmy Graham? Hell no. Over Greg Olsen at Carolina? Probably but Olsen is having a decent year. Would he start over Tony Gonzalez in ATL? No. If a player is in the NFL, of course he is talented…but you have to compare their talent to their peers and I dont see this TB team with better talent than an average NFL team. Combine that with questionable coaching at you have yourself a 4-12 season. *Talib could be an extraordinary player, but he is a classic case of an athlete having a $1M body combined with a two cent brain.
You are biasing against the most recent data. Last year people would say Freeman would start over all but Brees and Williams wouldve been a starter on 2 of the 3 teams.
One year does not make a career.
Freeman played the same teams the other guys did last year and threw 6 picks. How many did Ryan throw? What about Brees? Our talent is not bottom of the league talent, nor is it top of the league, but if you had to choose offenses, I would take ours (minus Olson) over St. Louis, Arizona, Washington, Minnesota, Kansas City, Denver, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Indy (without Manning), Miami, and Cleveland. That puts us in the middle half of the league, with youth on our side and hopefully progression with better coaching.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I also dont think Brad Johnson, Pittman, McCardell etc would have started on anyone's team, but we won a Super Bowl there
Yes, our defense was amazing, but you don’t need top of the league talent all the time. You need a comprehensive look including coaches. I still think the guys listed in the post above are worthwhile. The same people that loved Free and Williams last year hate him this year. Too reactionary. Lets find out what they are. They arent this bad and maybe they arent 2010 good, but if they settle in the middle erring on the high side, if we get a better defense, that may be good enough.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
for the record I wasn't a Freeman fan ever...
…i wish we had never drafted him. Our defense was the cause of the collapse in 2008 and was hoping for D line help…I also thought Garcia had another year in him. I was shocked that Freeman had a good year last year thinking I was proven to be wrong about him…but it was temorary. I guess we need another year to find out who the real Josh Freeman is. QB’s from the Big 12 have over inflated numbers because they dont play defense there…its a big step going to the NFL. The jury is still out on him…at best.
McCardell was a bad ass and would have started just about anywhere…he still has made some of the most amazing catches I’ve seen in a Bucs jersey. Pittman…you could be right…but we also had Allstot running a lot that year. Johnson was a great game manager and his job was to not F*^k up…and let Sapp, Brooks, Lynch, Barber, Rice and the rest of that amazing D win the game for us. Unfortunately, Freeman doesnt have that luxury as this defense is the worst in the NFL.
The DL in that draft sucked
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Yep
None of them have actually done anything. Peria Jerry still isn’t doing anything for the Falcons.
Basically the only one
And he was out of the Bucs’ reach anyway. Plus, he’s done nothing this year, surprisingly – I really liked him last year.
Numbers for QBs in college are largely meaningless
That’s true for most positions, really. So much is dependent on surrounding talent in college. Freeman had none. I can name on college teammate on offense of his who went to the NFL: Jordy Nelson. Not coincidentally, Freeman had his best year when Nelson was there.
Anyway, I don’t think a lot of people were fans of the Freeman pick when it happened. I wasn’t, either. And if you just looked at ‘09 and ’11, I think that’s what most people expected when he came out of college. But he showed so many positive traits last year, and a lot of traits have shown up in flashes this year too. I have to think that the lack of offseason coaching hurt him, and his teammates have really hurt him a lot too.
I hope your right.
…we are married to Josh Freeman so to speak as fans, so we have to hope for the best. I merely pointed out that he is the 4th best QB in the division.
Oh yeah, you're absolutely right
And it’s not even close, really. So disappointing.
What scares me the most about him this season is the decision making. He’s been erratic with his accuracy, he’s missed some easy throws, he hasn’t reacted well to pressure – but all that can be fixed, and he’s shown before that he’s better than that. But the decision making at times has just been baffling.
wasnt pittman was thomas jones
He was very good
I hope people realize that hiring coaches is a gamble.
Stevie Spags was a shoo-in to be a success, but look at his record.
Caldwell/Frazier were Dungy guys, they had to turn out like Tomlin, right? wrong
Marinelli was a Dungy guy.
A lot of guys that seem like no brainers turn out to be just average or worse coaches. It’s a gamble. The Glazers took one, they lost. As long as they cut their losses, we can move on.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Are you going to keep posting that?
Also, ehm, why? I have never been overly impressed with his offense.
Fun name to say? Easy to write headlines?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
That guy can't even run the Atlanta offense
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
You do realize that most Falcons fans want him hired as a HC so they can hire someone else as OC, right?
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
How about collegiate?
I say our head coach should be a NFL proven commodity, doesn’t have to be a big name (looking at you Cowher hopefuls out there) but some who is big on discipline, accountability, fundamentals. And for the defensive coordinator we offer a nice salary to either the one picture defensive coordinators from either Alabama our LSU. Collegiate coaches are known for their creativeness and great scouting of personnel and knowing how to maximize each persons strengths inside of a scheme to be dominant a la BCS game coming up. Not to mention they are good at scouting upcoming drafts picks and how they will translate.
by BucFan727 on Dec 19, 2011 3:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think we should go for Chudzinsky, the OC for the Panthers
He has done wonders with that offense. I’d like to see what he could do with ours. Make him HC and OC, and bring in a DC. Someone with a credible scheme that has worked before and fits our players.
by flash_kiley on Dec 19, 2011 3:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ain't that the truth?
The McKay/Dungy era seems golden in retrospect.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
We need to get Sander, BucWild, and Rook
in the post game press conference this sunday after we get our asses kicked. Im sick and tired of Rah, and so called reporters, cutting up the day after we get killed. They ask the same lame ass questions and get the same lame ass answers. Someone needs to let him know what he has done to this organization.
can I volunteer for this assignment, I WOULD LOVE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 19, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I promise you
that my ass wouldnt be laughing. For sure iowa pick me up on your way, im from indiana
Me too, long distance questions
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
Thanks for the vote of confidence
But I’m in Maine and Sander’s in the Netherlands. Bit of a commute to get to One Buc Place for the press conference. BucWild, you’re local, right? Suppose you can finagle your way in?
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'll get to work on it
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
what has he done
This team was nothing 3 years ago we had 4 decent players Penn, Josephs, Talib and Jackson..dude the cupboard was bare there was no talent at all!!
Lets check out Jim Leavitt
I haven’t heard anyone talk about Jim Leavitt. I’ve thought this before MNF after hearing him on 620. I dont know too much about the guy but i do know he’s Loves Tampa and is a St Pete Native, He turned USF football program into what it is today and got a bunch of Young guys to buy into the program, He’s currently the linebacker coach for the 49er’s and Obviously having success with them. Their Defense is Sick!!! He could possibly have connections to local talent. There’s other good reason for this argument. Maybe not next year or the year after, (just to see how much success he’ll have with San Fran) but maybe in future years. I’d go as far as to say I bet he’d be an awesome, no nonsense, Defensive minded Head Coach. What you think???
Intriguing as a DC prospect
I’m not too crazy about the idea of directly promoting him to HC after our last experience with the path of promoting a guy directly from positional coach to HC. Also, USF has come a long way, but they’re not exactly perpetual contenders right now.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 20, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Im Assuming he would be relatively inexpensive also
We all know how the Glazers like a bargain. Im sure they wouldn’t have to pay him too much… At first
its kind of sad tho
Rah takes all the blame. When he took over this team, there was NO rb not on crutches, NO wrs at all. NO TEs, 2 o-lineman and NO qb ,, thats 2 decnt playrs on offense.. on D this team had talib and jackson. THATS IT ,, he has had 3 drafts and no free agents.. in 3 drafts the bucs not have added a franchise QB a TE , 2 or 3 decent WRs and a RB on offense.. On D they have added 2 tackles 3 DE and a linebacker who all seem to be good players in just 3 drafts.. They are young but you see potential. its not nearly enough player ,, other teams figured out all they have to do is bracket Mike williams ans we have no pasing game to speak of.
They also had time to sit and watch a rookie middle linebacker and see what kind of adjustments to make to confuse him. this teams needs a few selet vets to help show these young men how to be pros
Yes did the offseason hurt us more than other teams? sure it did. other teams who are young like the packers do have some select vets who ran thier offseason progs .. Lets see who offseason work outs were more deciplined Arron Rogers or Josh Freeman?
Ok here I have a question
Ok before the 8 game losing streak Rah had won 16 or 25 games the 4 best record in the league over that time span. Now was it because of injuries and playing better opps? youth? or did he just go from a coach of the year candidate to a bad and a coach with the 4th best win % over 25 games to a crap coach that fast?
You're cherry picking stats. If we look at his HC career, he's 17-29
If you look at the last two years he’s 14-16. Using an arbitrary start and end point proves nothing.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
no playoff appearances...
….people can take that 10-6 record and cram it because the Bucs DIDN’T make the playoffs.
we lost caddy
Caddy was Josh Freemans security blanket esp on blitz pickup.. then Ernest went down the O has not been the same since. on d we lost Grim and McCoy and Talib has been on one leg half the year. plus a rookie middle linebacker..The rookie middle line backer was my biggest concern going into this season. What team does that who runs a 4-3. Noone.
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