Sunday NFL Open Thread
by Sander on Dec 18, 2011 12:30 PM EST
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It's Sunday, and that means it's time for some NFL football. Some good football, unlike the schlock we were forced to watch yesterday night.
Plus, fantasy football playoffs are happening. So if you're in a playoff match, this will all be interesting.
Early Games:
Cincinnati Bengals @ St. Louis Rams
Okay, so, this game is still going to suck. The Bengals aren't the greatest team, but they've been pretty solid. The Rams have been absolutely horrible, and they will be forced to miss Sam Bradford in this game, too.
New Orleans Saints @ Minnesota Vikings
Can you say blowout? I can. But it'll be fun to see if Jared Allen can break Michael Strahan's somewhat fake sack record.
Green Bay Packers @ Kansas City Chiefs
Can the Chiefs beat the unbeaten Packers? No.
Seattle Seahawks @ Chicago Bears
This should actually be a good and evenly matched game. Both teams have good defenses, a solid running game, and an incompetent passing game. And they're both fighting for playoff spots.
Tennessee Titans @ Indianapolis Colts
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Washington Redskins @ New York Giants
The Redskins suck, the Giants need to win to be in the hunt for a playoff spot.
Carolina Panthers @ Houston Texans
Cam Newton is exciting, but the Texans' running game is going to kill this Carolina defense.
Miami Dolphins @ Buffalo Bills
Blargh.
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Miami's got a shot
After all they’re playing Buffalo- the only team that’s had nearly as big a meltdown as we have.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
MIA and WAS both up now
Skins up big.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 18, 2011 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They're maddeningly inconsistent
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Good news for our draft pick
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
and CLE plays ARI so they have a chance.
Yugly.
by aakks on Dec 18, 2011 2:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not so sure about that one
The Cardinals are tough at home this year.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd actually say the 'Hawks have a shot in that one
The Bears have nothing on offense w/o Cutler and Forte.
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by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Green's amazing, but Cam probably has OROY wrapped up
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Should Owen daniels have a good game?
How are the panthers at stoping tight ends.
by bucswillwin on Dec 18, 2011 1:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
God, the Redskins almost turned the ball over AGAIN
Would have been three times in one quarter.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
I would say no, but there are worse guys out there
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
And I thought you were the one who didn't like retreads?
He’d be worth considering IMO.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well, not the ones who have had a lot of success previously
Counterintuitive, but that doesn’t usually work out.
Yeah, I know what you mean
It’s the guys who still have something to prove who usually work out.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
We're very anti-Foster and anti-Benson.
Need some help after Romo and Austin last night.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Wow.
Drew Brees is checking out of a play in the shotgun, looks to his right to call the check to his receivers, and the center snaps the ball to nobody 15 yards back. Vikings recover. What a sh*t show that was.
Makes me feel better about Faine
Marginally better.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Watch any play of his and there is a 73% chance he screws up
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I call it Sabbyfreude
The shameful joy of knowing he’s playing for another team now.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Meanwhile in Buffalo....
Reggie Bush seems to have forgotten the purpose of the running game is to GAIN yardage. And just in time for the Fantasy playoffs. Shaking my mother f’ing head.
Despite the 'Skins ineptness
They’re up 10-0 against the Giants, and just got the ball back after an Eli interception.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
Pass to Owen he is doing nothing.
by bucswillwin on Dec 18, 2011 1:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Just keep Foster out of it
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I still see him getting some carries. Need him out for today
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
CMon Tate, go nuts and dont let FOster in
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Those of us playing against GB players dont want to wake them up
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Isnt your team dead yet?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Im with you on Graham.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
My opponent started the KC Defense for some ungodly reason.
I’m starting to wonder if he knows something I don’t.
Yeah I started James jones too!
Green bay why now?
by bucswillwin on Dec 18, 2011 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats too bad. Good young player. Hate to see that happen
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Who the eff is R. Brockel?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Foster and Benson need to have same second half that they've had so far.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Stop calling timeouts Houston
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Need a Brees TD pass. To Graham or Colston please
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Well, its a TD pass. Glad I could help you Sander
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Need the Vikes to keep scoring so he keeps throwing
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Quick question for Sander, Buc Wild, or anyone
Hello Guys I am new here but I have been reading your blogs for a while now and today I just decided to sign up. So my question is what do you guys think of the offensive coordinator from Carolina as a head coaching candidate for Tampa Bay I look at the things that he is doing with Cam Newton and I think that he could do amazing things with Josh Freeman, what are your thoughts
Eh, it depends, how involved with the offense would he be as HC? My guess is not as much as he wants.
Also, not sure Freeman can do things Newton can do.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Not as a runner, no
But he’s had success as OC before with some pretty bad players. Still pretty young. Would be a good candidate to look at, at least.
He's not very experienced
Aside from this year he only had two years as an OC previously, and was demoted to a positional coach in his next job. I think we’d be better off with a more experienced coach after the “youngry” debacle of Morris’ tenure.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
We'd be dumb to pass up Rob Chudzinski as HC/OC.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
No sharing duties for any coaches.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
It's only way he'd come here and be the play caller.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
There's a difference between being OC and playcaller
Although OC/HC combinations work more often than DC/HC combos.
And I doubt he’d turn down a head coaching job if he couldn’t call the plays. That would be pretty random.
I doubt he would turn down the HC only position, that wasn't what I was implying.
I want him to call the plays for our offense. How much would he be able to do that as just the HC and undermine his OC? He won’t take a lateral move to be our OC, which would be ideal, so if you want him to call the plays too, make him HC/OC.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Why not, we don't know how any unproven HC will do. Might as well and make sure he's good at something.
Other than what he shows you on the field, the only thing a HC candidate can show you is how good of a salesman he is in the interview room. It’s a coin flip at that point.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
If your interview process is any good, you can find out a lot of things about candidates
Their philosophy on building a team, how they would run the team, what kind of discipline they’d administer, what they do about locker room incidents, what their philosophy on managing a game is etc etc
Playcalling isn’t all that relevant compared to all taht.
Questions someone selling you shit could probably answer with conviction.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
To me, I think the success of an OC/DC is a no nonsense way of showing how he got all of his guys on 1 page and had them working as a unit.
That speaks louder than words to me.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Also, probably their respect.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Sorry for the triple post, but I feel a lot of players don't respect Raheem.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Brees to Colston all day please
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
It was just okay.
Which is the best you can say for anything on SNL. That skit could’ve been so much better.
Yea what this guy said.
It was alright.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Blatant hold on that play.
But officiating has been poor all year.
Need Colston to grab one
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Is the entire league having coverage problems?
Packers are leaving a lot of guys wide open on this drive.
They get away with it though because of turnovers.
WHich they have not got against KC yet
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
knew that was going to happen too.
i called it out in on of my post. but the bucs didnt hold up to there end of the stick
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
wow an almost int by Rodgers in the endzone there.
WTF is going on with the Packers?
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
WOnder how long until people
start saying we shoulda took him over McCoy.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
That wouldn't be fair though.
No team develops linemen like the Giants do.
Yea I know.
But you know how fans are. They will act they knew he was better than McCoy. We will probly see some fanposts soon about it.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
Pierre-Paul is good- but not #3 overall good. Besides, we needed a DT far more than a DE that year.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Truth
I remember a lot of people questioning that pick, asking whether he’d shown anything in college besides freakish athleticism- he’s put those doubts to rest this year.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
same could be said for mccoy too.
but thats what happens when you ask young rookies to immediatley start. next year if we go defense that player shouldnt start. give him lots of reps but not start
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
If only the Pack woulda player this crappy against us.
They look absolutly horrible
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
Yea I know
If they would played like they are today in that game, we woulda won.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt even know he was playing anymore
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
That's gotta be hard- Eric Berry's out for the season with an injury- and Sabby is the backup
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think Pioli might resort to kidnapping his family to keep him from leaving KC
He’s the best player on that team.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
i remember during the draft he was in love with the bucs....
i dont know just a thought
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
damn i need nicks to catch a td for me!!!
three missed chances today ughhhhhhhhhhhhh
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
I had a theory about Safety next year. Did anybody consider if we dont draft one like a Mark Barron, we move Cody Grimm to SS? I mean the guy if anything is a HITTER…I can see a Grimm and Jackson duo back there.
Thoughts?
by Marlon The Okayplayer on Dec 18, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions
i was saying that from the beginning
i hate sean jones. i like jackson and grimm
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
I hope our new head coach explores that option next year. I can think of the secondary with Gaitor, Grimm, Jackson and a FA or Draft pick.
by Marlon The Okayplayer on Dec 18, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not a bad idea at all
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
jackson ll be better next year with that rust off and hopefully grimm can stay healthy
id keep jones as safety depth.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Understood, Sander. And if we draft one or sign one even better. But everybody appreciates Grimm’s blue collar work
by Marlon The Okayplayer on Dec 18, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
size not really a big issue.
however they do have to play fast. alot of undersized safetys that do pretty good. i think grimm would do good at ss. he dont have alot of range but he can hit and hecan cover better than jones
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
True…and we can still draft or sign one for depth
by Marlon The Okayplayer on Dec 18, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Problem if you don't have size is that having an eighth man in the box is a lot less effective
And it’s harder to stop tight ends.
Agreed….im all about whatever pick we have taking the best player available..be it CB, DE, LB, WR, RB or OL
by Marlon The Okayplayer on Dec 18, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I wouldn't draft a DT there
But it doesn’t really matter, there’s no DT worth a high pick anyway.
im really leaning towards going hard in free agency on defense.
i dont want to go high rounds on defense
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Agreed on that as well. We can definitely get some playmakers at back and shore up the secondary
by Marlon The Okayplayer on Dec 18, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
The only 2 people worth our pick on O are Kalil and Blackmon
I think they’re both gone by the time we pick. I think we should trade down from one of the teams that wants a QB. Lots of good prospects in the first half of the first round and we need some extra picks.
Assuming we lose out.
Yugly.
I think we've got to do both
Ideally, I’d want us to grab Stephen Tulloch and Carlos Rogers in FA.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm wondering how LaRon Landry will handle surgery
We have a ton of cap space and he could be a cheap gamble.
Yugly.
He'd be another great acquisition for us.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Based on the last few years
dont get your hopes up for FA.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I've got to hope that we make some changes this offseason
Without hope for change, where are we?
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
not neccessarily true.
grant it it would be nice to be a big safety. but you can still play the eighth man in the box if you are a undersized guy with speed. etc…..Troy Polamalu..
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Right now for me
It’s Claiborne, Kuechly, or I’m disapointted. Though the draft is very far off and things could change.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I can think of 6 players I'd love
In order: Kalil, Claiborne, Blackmon, Kuechly, Kirpatrick, Brown
I think we’re picking a little high for the last 3, and am not sure any of the first 3 will be available.
Yugly.
Agreed…I can see Minnesota taking Blackmon and Kalil going to St. Louis and vice versa.
by Marlon The Okayplayer on Dec 18, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I could also see Claiborne to the Vikes
and Blackmon falling to us. I think I’d take him with Kalil and Claiborne gone if I couldn’t trade down.
Yugly.
Ive seen Jacksonville,Carolina,and the Vikes
as teams possibly ahead of us that may take Claiborne. If we draft Blackmon, do you maybe try and trade away Benn for a late draft pick or not?
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
A late draft pick? No
What’s the point of that? Benn is plenty talented, and he hasn’t looked that bad
Just a crazy idea.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
And I'd keep Benn
The receivers and Free need another year at least, although adding one would be great.
Yugly.
Don't forget that JAX plays IND in week 17
and now that the Colts don’t have the stigma of a winless season hanging over them, they’re less likely to want to play themselves out of the number one pick.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Please let that happen.
It would be great it we moved ahead of the Jags. That only leave the Vikes as the only other team linked to Claiborne ahead of us.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yea those would be good picks,
but based on what I’ve read recently , I have become really high on Kuechly and Claiborne.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed as usual
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
I think that the question becomes do we trade down, who would we trade down with, and how many picks could we acquire.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking Miami maybe
There’s going to be a run on the #2 qb at some point assuming rams and vikes take their picks.
Yugly.
Definitely a strong candidate
Seattle might also make a play, but they’d have to give up a lot more. If Orton keeps playing like he’s been playing today, the Chiefs might not be on the market for a new QB- -they could just let Orton and Cassel compete for the job.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Seahawks are going to be picking awfully high
I’d be really disappointed if we didn’t end up with at least Zach Brown. Although I do like Dennard too if we trade down low enough.
Yugly.
He has gotten a trouble in college,
but Janoris Jenkins would be another candidate for us if we traded down.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
I’d take Dennard over Jenkins, and Brown over the both of them.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Troy is 5-10 207
Grimm is 5-11 210. and Jackson is 6’0 200. About the same.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Yeah, those are official numbers, notoriously inaccurate
There’s no way Jackson weighs over 180. Same for Grimm over 190. Polamalu plays a much more powerful game than either of them.
guess it aint mneant for nicks to score.
smh and i benched lance moore
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Us- by a hair
Buffalo always collapses.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
They were decimated by injuries
we have no such excuse other than losing McCoy, Grimm, and Graham we were relatively healthy so your right the Bucs have a slight edge.
True
But he’s really not playing like himself today.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
If the Colts blow this game
they will go winless
ANd just like that
Donald Brown scores a TD
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Packers have major problems now.
Chiefs just rushed three and got a sack.
Gostowski and Lions D vs Gore, Gronk, Boldin and Ravens D.
WHo you got?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
What I said was that he hadn't done nearly enough to justify the draft pick investment
And that’s entirely correct.
i think now he is showing that he was. now that he is getting on the field.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
knowing your love of running backs,
you probably said we should of drafted him? I kid, I kid.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
WHat side are you and whats the score?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I thnk youve got a great chance. Youre probably the favorite
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Texans about to go down to the Panthers
Didn’t see that one coming.
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
It's gonna be even uglier for us next wk.
We thought losing to them the 1st time was bad.
Looking at draft positioning,
thats a good thing.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 18, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Bush has 200 yds
I guess a change of scenery has made him live up to his full potential.
Why did they take his TD off the board?
Fantasy and NFL.com both say 0 TD’s for Bush but I just saw him run 70 something yards and score. WTF?
Oh goody- we now have the longest losing streak in the NFL
Eight straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 18, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Wow the Colts finally won and the Pack finally lost on the same day.
Now the talk will be about how hot the Broncos are and how cold the Bucs are.
Watch the Bucs win their next 2 games now
that the draft positioning is working for them, just to mess things up.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
I can't root for my teams to lose.
It’s not like 1 draft pick will turn around the team
i need the broncos d to shut down brady and gronkowski. and vincent jackson to do nothing
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
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