Dominik wanted Talib gone, Morris talked him out of it
Interesting post on yahoo by Jason Cole. The post is about Morris' job, but the Talib comments were the most interesting to me.
For the record, I thought we needed Talib back for a couple reasons. Most importantly, I wasn't sure he was guilty (and I'm still not). Plus I had zero confidence in our other corners (other than Ronde). Was it the right move to keep him? I'm still not sure. His play has been way down this year, but he has also been struggling with minor injuries all season. In the couple of games where he looked healthy he played pretty well. However, moving forward I think we need to plan for a future without Talib and Barber. Scary to think of how bad the secondary would be without those 2, even in a down year.This offseason, Morris became too much of the first example when he spoke up for Talib. After getting arrested for the gun incident, Tampa Bay management was ready to cut ties with Talib once and for all, according to a team source. General manager Mark Dominik didn’t care about Talib’s supreme talent, the distractions were no longer worth the drama, the source said. Talib had been in at least four altercations with teammates and coaches before the gun incident and was arrested for assaulting a taxi driver in 2009.
Because of the lockout, the Bucs couldn’t follow through right away, giving Morris time to talk Dominik away from the proverbial ledge. In the process, Morris sent a message to his young team that talent trumps character.
The most interesting thing in the article comes right after the above quote:
“Wrong message,” a Bucs player said this week. “Raheem believes he can get through to anybody and he can, to an extent. Guys do listen to him. But sometimes they have to see that you’re going to back it up … [Talib] is a huge talent, but you have to know there are certain guys who are impossible to get through to.”
Which player said this? I guess it doesn't matter much, but it is clear that at least some players are concerned about this sort of thing. You've got Morris sending Price home in the middle of a game for a stupid personal foul, but Talib has never been disciplined like that for his personal fouls. Is Talib above the rules on this team? It sure looks like he's been getting preferential treatment from where I sit. At least one player is saying that message has been received loud and clear the players, and is implying that Talib is impossible to reach.
Obviously there are much bigger issues with the team than this. It is just one more drop in the steady drip drip drip of evidence that discipline on this team has been at best uneven, and at worst completely missing until very recently.
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Can you imagine this defense without Talib?
He hasn’t played great by any means, but he is lights out better than Biggers and Lewis. We might have gone 0-16 without Talib.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
if the team had cut Talib once the lockout was done, we would have pursued other CBs more aggressively in FA
that would have meant a better chance of nabbing CB Joseph before the Texans did. Which team’s secondary is playing better right now? Houston’s, because Jonathan Joseph was a real positive addition.
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Thats just what you hoped we'd do.
We needed a corner either way and Dom didn’t pursue one. Money isn’t an issue we could pay Talib and a star free agent we didn’t get one because Dom thought the backups were starters.
It is, but I can't imagine the Bucs not going after a cornerback if their starters were going to be Ronde and Biggers
With Lewis and Mack competing for the nickel job.
How could he have pursued Joseph more aggressively?
Money wasn’t an issue at all (supposedly). They made him an offer and he refused it. Don’t really see how Talib factors into that. Houston also has Wade Phillips coaching up their defense, which has a lot to do with their success.
The fact that the front office didn’t have a backup plan was disgusting. Carlos Rodgers would have been outstanding in this defense. Lewis is the biggest bust we’ve drafted since Dexter Jackson.
Also, Talib was coming off a great season. No way Dominik could have known he would regress. Talib even won NFL’s best defensive back by the alumni association last season, despite missing some time due to injury http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/18322/roddy-white-aqib-talib-earn-awards
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
We could have given him free tickets to Rays games?
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I think we would still be at 4-9 as of right now...
Talib has not made enough plays to drastically change the game. The biggest play he made all year was his pick 6 for the 1st TD of the year… then he proceeded to get burned by Megatron on a consistent basis.
I dont remember him making plays against MIN, ATL, NO or IND to make us win.
If I could wear a bucs shirt with a noles hat for the rest of my life, by golly I would be the happiest man in the world.
He's been fighting his hamstring all season
He actually looked decent in a couple games after struggling most of the season, but then he injured it again.
Yugly.
And you don't remember them making plays on him (at least not consistently).
They would have picked Biggers or Lewis apart in those games. Just because he hasn’t intercepted passes doesn’t mean he hasn’t adequately covered guys 95% of the time. He has gotten torched a few times, but that’s what you get in a player like Talib.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Talib had a couple of ridiculously good weeks before his hamstring injury
He basically shut down Greg Jennings.
hindsight is 20/20.
Easy to say bad idea now. Not so easy when he was at the top of his game.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
But Rah
couldnt talk him into resigning Caddy? That makes me a little mad
by martycame2party on Dec 14, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions
What's is your point, Coaches do that everyday.
When a team is so thin on valuable players, you have to fight to keep the few you have left.
Talib had a very good season last year and everyone thought that would transition over to this year
so it would have been hard to cut ties with him as soon as the incident happened, i think the fanbase would have been split on that decision and yes he might not have the highest character but can you imagine our defense without him out there…ewwww
Talib
Am I the only one who remembers how he shutdown greg jennings???
by Jediel3 on Dec 14, 2011 3:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No you are not
You actually beat me to my message talking about that. He shutdown the #1 reciever of the #1 offense headed by the #1 QB and everyone sits here and says he regressed?? SO WHAT if Megatron beat him a few times, who doesnt Megatron dominate?? And who’s to say if Joseph was here he would play as well as he is in Dallas? At the end of the day i still say Talib is a far better corner than Joseph, consistency is Talib’s only issue.
Everyone knows he's a great talent, but you have to wonder if his off the field issues are outweighing his on the field performance.
Oderint dum metuant
Understood
But since that incident with the shooting happened, what else has he done besides play hard despite a losing season and keep his nose clean? It just seems like insanity to me that everyone is so quick to try and cut a talent such as he. Thats like Revis getting a DUI and being released.
He tried to stick his fingers in another player's eyes and drew a costly personal foul penalty.
Oderint dum metuant
Football is a game of emotion
sometimes negative emotion but he isnt the first and wont be the last player to do something like that on the field. Things like that happen every play all the the time you just dont always see it because the camera doesnt always see it. So basically you are telling that the Lions should cut Suh because of his nonsense on the field as well huh?
If Suh starts shooting at people, punching cabbies, breaking his teammates face with his helmet during a fight, getting in a fight during the rookie symposium...
then yes they should cut Suh.
Oderint dum metuant
Talib "allegedly" was charged
And the weapon was never fired go over your facts again. So its vol for Suh to poke eyes, stomp people, and just overall be a dirty player AND just like Talib was allegedly called out for a incident with a car accident he left from? Oh yeah I see the difference
by BucFan727 on Dec 15, 2011 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A weapon was fired
Whether Talib did the firing or not has yet to be determined. That’s why there will be a trial in March.
And he wasn’t “allegedly” charged, he was charged.
My greatest memory of talib this year
was when he tried to push that guy out of bounds instead of tackling him and missed, because that more or less sums up our whole season, a miss.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 14, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
keep Talib
no point of losing our best player now. I’d like the team to take Morris Claiborne with their 1st pick this year and pair him with Talib, not let him go thats ridiculous.
Talib may be going to jail
Just so everyone understands why I say we should prepare for a future without him, we may not have a choice in the matter.
Yugly.
I'm with you
I bet he’s not going to jail
by Carlitin1988 on Dec 14, 2011 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Talib stays,
I think we should draft a corner in the second round (Jenkins, Minnifield, Gilmore, Hosley, Harris) and get a good FA (Finnegan, Porter, Grimes, Rogers). Whoever we draft can play the nickel and learn without a lot of pressure on him, similar to Talia’s rookie year.
If Talib goes, we draft Claiborne or Kirkpatrick and start them from day 1 and let them learn on the fly, and pickup one of the good FA corners to start opposite them.
by flash_kiley on Dec 15, 2011 1:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Seems like Mark Dominik is throwing Morris under the bus to save his own hide; not that Morris needs any help in that area after this season. Still Dominik is guilty of not bringing in quality free-agents to compete for roster spots we need/needed help with (LB, SS, CB, WR). Maybe then we’d FINALLY have more veteran leadership on both sides of the ball to show the new guys how it’s done in the NFL.
by WindyCityBucsFan on Dec 15, 2011 12:23 PM EST reply actions
I don't think so, Dom did try to bring in some players, they just signed elsewhere. Can't blame the players for not coming here,
and can’t really blame Dom because he was throwing top $$$ at some of these guys.
So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!
Now if you bring in a qualified HC, players will come.
So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!
I think Morris dug the hole...
and pulled the bus in on himself. Winning (or percieved winning) hides a lot of flaws. Flaws that were brutally exposed this season. Best of luck Raheem – wherever you end up.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 15, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions

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