Tampa Bay Buccaneers Leaving Us Speechless
The title says it all, there isn't much left to be said about the 2011 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. A season of optimism and hope for a playoff berth has turned into a race to see how many fans they can alienate in the last half of the season. The loss against Jacksonville was brutal. We were spotted 14 pointed and still couldnt hang with the Jags, who are at the bottom of the barrell. Their bottom of the league offense made it look like they were running 7 on 7 drills.
I've talked to a few people over the last few days (shameless plug: including Shaun King on Twitter last night) and there is some dispute as to who holds the blame here, Dom, Morris, players, or the Glazers. Let me be clear on this. Though I point the finger mainly at one person, everyone listed above is culpable for this train wreck of garbage. Each person has a stake in this team and they shouldn't escape blame just because we think one or two people are more at fault than others.
That being said, I look at the development of players from last year to this year and I can honestly say I don't think one player outside of Preston Parker has improved. There is a clear regression in terms of abilty or displayed talent and that falls on coaching. Its possible that those players all played above their head last year, but that's a lot of assumptions and coincidences.
The team is just flat out undisciplined. 10+ penalties (again) and 7 turnovers. Seven. Freaking. Turnovers. That's in excusable and we all know it. The broadcast kept flashing to Morris on the sidelines and he just stood there, no reaction, nothing. It makes me wonder if he knows he's 3 games away from being canned. The team avoided the personal foul penalties (not counting the BS call on Biggers towards the end) but still shot themselves in the foot.
It brings us back to the fact that these players are not being coached up. Our offense has regressed, though the playcalling has improved, at least in my opinion. The defense is just a cesspool of awfulness. The scheme doesn't seem to fit our players, the talent has regressed, we brought no new (good) blood in from free agency, it's awful. Our defense is 2009 levels of bad right now and no one seems to want to do anything.
The talent is another argument. Maybe Dom is restricted by the Glazers in spending. If he is, that's not his issue as he seems to evaluate talent well. He's not the premier talent evaluator, but he can hold his own. If the Glazers have allowed him to spend and he has not, this failure is also on him. Our team was good, not great last year. We were probably 2-3 players away from being a true contender, and we didn't bring anyone in. Inexcusable.
The players. What can you say about them? Some seem to be playing hard still, which is good, but others have outworn their welcome. Jeff Faine is one of them. You can call out your teammates for turnovers all you want, but until you block someone instead of playing tag with them, just zip it. I'm tired of watching you chase a defensive lineman as they crush Freeman or Blount. And he's not the only one to blame. The players are accountable also for the penalties, turnovers, missed blocks, etc.
Finally, the Glazers. Who knows what mandates are sent down from them to the team staff. It's obvious that their current thinking, spending, and overall direction is not working. They, like the rest of the organization, need to step back and re-evaluate the plan and decide if it's worth continuing forward with that plan, or adapting a new philosophy. As successful business people, I'm sure they are doing this, but it was worth mentioning.
So what do we do now? Well, I think we've all picked a side on the "Should Morris stay or go" bandwagon, and it seems most of us think he should go. It's worth noting he has one year left on his (cheap) deal. The options at this point appear to be fire Morris at the end of the year or offer him an "extension." When I say extension I mean guarantee his 2012 paycheck and inclue a 2013 team option. It's basically an evaluation technique. This way, no lame duck coach and the team can then cut their losses. And if he doesn't like the team only option, you fire him. (Note: I still think he's gone, just throwing that out there). Morris will last at least three more games as there is no one to fill his spot. I honestly think they should strip the defensive coordinator slot from him now and give it to a position coach. Use it as an audition for next year's DC.
Dominik is here for at least 2 more years, even though he has a 3 year deal. They won't let him go and obviously believe he has the ability to perform. The talent isn't 4-12 level, but it also isn't 13-3 level either. The Glazers are willing to give him a bit more time, at least, that's my take.
Gruden's $4-5MM comes off the books at the end of the year, freeing up that money to be used towards a new head coach and defensive coach. RookTakesYou article nicely sums up the available options, I'd suggest you check it out. At the end of the day, I wouldn't be surprised to see a big name defensive coach come onboard. We have a history of it and the offense is in need of refinement, not overhaul, while the defense has to be gutted.
The next few weeks will be difficult to watch and be more about evaluation and speculation than anything else. It's hard to believe it's come to this.
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No way would I give any position coach the DC job or even a chance at it
Morris should be fired. The sooner the better. As for fake extending Morris, how would that not make him a lame duck? Even if you didn’t extend him now he could be retained if he did well next year. Why would you extend him after this trainwreck? Screw it, why are we even talking about extending him? He needs to be gone.
I’m less sure Dom should be fired, but I wouldn’t cry if he was. With his contract I don’t think he will be. However, he is responsible for not bringing in free agents. He is responsible for picking the (awful) coaches. He is responsible for bringing in jags/bates, then firing them and leaving a rookie HC with Olsen as OC and no DC. He is responsible for some spectacularly bad contracts. His drafting has been decent (not spectacular, but solid). I really don’t think that alone is enough to cover up his other sins. I think he stays, but there is a solid case for canning him.
Yugly.
If you go after Dom
you better throw in the Glazers as well. As we all know, the Glazers do not care about this franchise one bit, and why would they, when they have the greatest soccer club in sports history? As that is being said, I believe we should ease up a little on Dom for we do not understand his power with the organization, his title could mean nothing.
I think Morris is definitely gone. I hate to say this because I have supported him all year long, but two days ago really put me speechless. I think we have good enough talent to become a very good team, and when we start winning, I believe high value free agents will want to come. But it starts with a new OC, DC and HC next year.
side note: I would love for the Giants to fire Coughlin and have him come here. He is one strict mofo.
If I could wear a bucs shirt with a noles hat for the rest of my life, by golly I would be the happiest man in the world.
Dom has previously stated his spending is not restricted by the Glazers
Unless this was a PR only comment (quite possible) then the blame lies at his feet.
Yugly.
I'm gonna disagree with you about the Glazers.
Their approach has not changed since they bought the team in 1995, they are hands off. They allow the people they hire to run the team and only get involved in big moves. Have they brought in the wrong people? Oh yeah they have, but they aren’t stupid people and they will make the changes they need to make.
So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!
Shoot... I am not speechless
I have all kinds of crap to say.
Morris should be a DB coach – still. Too inexperienced. I would have been completely on board with Rah becoming the DC after Monte Kiffin left. Could have cut his teeth on the DEF while Gruden did his offensive thing. The Glazers made a knee-jerk reaction to the losing streak and 3 years of ineptitude have followed. Ugh.
Dom – should be Director of College Scouting and not a full-blown GM. He has show practically NO knowledge regarding F/A veteran personnel, and has stepped on his weenie way too often. Duties need to be limited, or at least augmented, by someone knowledgeable in NFL player personnel and scouting. Equally shared duties.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 13, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Dominik hasn't yet earned my full wrath
If he drops this ball during this offseason free agency period, it will be kindled.
Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 14, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
The Glaziers get more heat than they deserve
I prefer their “leave it to the pros” attitude to the helicopter-owner approach of Dan Snyder and Bud Adams. When people say “they’re cheap”, I think about the contract they offered Gruden in 2002. They don’t throw money at problems to solve them, but they don’t deserve the rep of being cheap. Now Culverhouse, that bastard was cheap.
Coughlin would be an intriguing pick for us, but after the Giants’ win against Dallas, I think they’re the favorites to take the NFCE- and Coughlin’s job is therefore likely safe.
Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 14, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta have a fresh start.
Wish the current staff the best, and send them on their way. Same with a couple players. Faine, Black, and Jones gotta go. And Hayes, Ronde, and Trueblood can be upgraded. Time for serious change. Change in personnel, change in staff, change in attitude, change in preparation. Go Bucs!
by flash_kiley on Dec 13, 2011 2:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep
I wouldn’t cut Faine and Trueblood yet, and I’m sentimental enough to give Ronde another year if he wants it (not likely)- but we definitely need to start scoping for their replacements. Black, Hayes, and Jones- they can’t be out of here fast enough. Make a play for both LaRon Landry and Anthony Spencer in FA, sign them, draft another LB, and say farewell to the three of them.
Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 14, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
I might agree to give Faine one more year and hope for improvement,
but trueblood has to go, now….. He is terrible and for that fact so is Faine. Okay, forgot what I said to start this and get rid of Faine too. Have you seen how many times this Butt hole has been shoved back into Freemans face. The collapse of the pocket always seem to originate with Faine… CYA
East Coast Fan
Speechless?
I don’t know. I could ramble on for days about them. Now if you are not including useless insults and calls for the firing of coaches, I have nothing.
At the beginning of this season I had the Bucs going 6-10 or 7-9 due to the schedule. I was not worried about it whatsoever, because I thought they would be able to learn from the experience and improve over time.
That lack of improvement over time points only in one direction and that is the coaching staff. The fact that only one player (Preston Parker) has shown any improvement this season solidifies that assumption. You cannot convince me that 50-60 players including practice squad are all slackers and not paying attention. It is not the reception that is bad, it is the message.
So “speechless” is not the phrase to describe my state – “disgusted” or “mortified” would be more accurate. Such a waste of one year’s development for all of these potentially great players.
I would say more of a waste of three years development.
Which is why I said from the day they hired Morris it was a bad move.
So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!
For what it's worth, don't the Bucs *have* to spend more next season? Considerably more?
The salary floor wasn’t in place for this season, but they won’t be able to escape it next year. So as unideal and crappy as this season has been, the Bucs should now have a good idea what young players are good and which aren’t going to develop, and they can hopefully fill those weak spots using their oodles of free salary cap room.
I’m not saying that excuses them for not improving the team this year, or for making poor personnel decisions. Just that they have the cap room to considerably improve their team this offseason.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
Follow @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 13, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions
That salary floor won't be in place until 2013
And even then it won’t be measured until the end of 2016, as an average over the 2013-2016 period. So it’s a rather weak floor and the Bucs can get away with not spending a lot for a couple of years, as long as they compensate it later on.
Great, so we will suck until 2016 when it is mandatory.
Darn Bucs owners just don’t have the “want to” win.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 13, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
The Glazers are winning.
They cleared almost 50M last year (or whatever that article said). They don’t have to win to win. The TV money and profit sharing are plenty enough without the ticket sales. Especially when you are sporting a low payroll.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
True, but...
I have to believe that they do want the team to succeed. Maybe they’re not the deftest hands at accomplishing it, but I don’t buy into the “they just don’t care” argument.
Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 14, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure they want the team to succeed.
I’m sure they were tickled pink that they won while practically spending nothing last year. You can’t argue the dramatic drop in player salaries since Malcolm Glazer had his stroke in 2006. I think the Glazer boys care more about their bottom line than winning. That stadium deal is so advantageous to this franchise that they could literally sell zero tickets and still probably make money.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Ahh okay, interesting.
I was hoping for the floor to kick in next year and force them to aggressively invest in players to fill in their holes. It just seemed like a smart-ish plan (if frustrating right now): go young, see what holes you have, and throw money around to fill them.
Sadly, it seems like the entire team has turned into a hole.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
Follow @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Dec 13, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Preston parker?
Seriously. i think hes decent. at best. But he is clearly not the most improved player on our squad nor is he been the only bright spot on the team. The dude has eight fumbles….hes been ok at the slot but nothing really spectacular. and he has clearly digressed.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Preston Parker has consistently picked up first downs on third and long
Yes, he’s been a bright spot on this offense. And considering where he was last year (nowhere), he has been the most improved player. Who else has improved as much as him?
Just because he came from nowhere and did something for a couple of games doesnt mean anything.
What has he done lately? he had two maybe three good games this whole year. and last game he was point blank terrible. He has serious ball security issues. and he hasnt been the man who has picked up the most 3rd and longs all year long. you know who that would go to. point blank the whole offense has stunk. no consistent player in the bunch. some it isnt their fault. but parker would not top my list as the most consistent and improved player on the bucs.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
He's Sammy Stroughter Part 2
Nobody talks about him anymore go figure.
So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!
I am pretty sure during the Bucs v. Jags debacle (can't consider that a game)
The announcer made mention that Preston Parker leads the NFC in 3rd down receptions. that is pretty good considering.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
He is among the leagues best on 3rd down.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
I should amend that to say statistically among the league's best.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
i really dont see that as an really important stat.
but ok thats cool but what has he done really in the past 5-6 games to show any improvement on his part? i really havent seen it. i have seen flashes but no overall improvement.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
He hasnt regressed. He was barely a part of the team last year.
There are other bright spots, but read what I wrote. Im talking about regression, not who is playing good. To regress we have to have some sort of baseline which the rookies currently dont have.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
i would say he has.
once again what has he done recently in the past 5 games that shows him as an improvement on offense. improvement means you are getting or doing better. he hasnt outdone really anything more or better than he has done in the beginning of the year.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Look year to year. He has progressed for sure.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
This is his first full year actually playing.
Compare his performance from the beginning of the year tillnow. his numbers have went down and he hasnt done anything but regress
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
He couldnt get on the field last year for a reason. Stroughter was hurt and Spurlock wasnt great.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
so you can only judge him for what he has done this season. not what he didnt do last year.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
If you cant get on the field, thats a pretty clear indicator of what the coaches think of you and what your abilities say about you.
Not being able to get on the field and not being in the league are two different things.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
i read what you wrote and i get what you are saying.
but even rookies can be judged as far as improvement and regression. all players are evaluated that way.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
He's been a bright spot this year
But we need to s*** or get off the pot with this gang of WRs. M. Williams, Benn, and Briscoe have earned a spot I’d say. Ed Gant still deserves an opportunity. As for the Parker/Stroughter/Spurlock show- pick one, keep the best KR as the KR, and cut the last one.
Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 14, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Clayborn has been the most consistent player on the field this year.
He might hit 10 sacks. i hope so. and no one on our team even has close to 100 tackles. smh we are just terrible all around. And mike williams has struggled early on but was able to improve very well and is doing pretty good in the end.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
I didnt say most consistent. I said Parker was the one who hasnt regressed. Clayborn, Bowers, Foster etc dont count because they are rookies and we have no idea what their pattern is yet.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
i was refering to sanders comment about consistency
however this is really parkers first full year playing just like the rookies so it does count. i like parker enough to keep him on as wr depth. i prefer bricsoeand stroughter better actually but parkers shown some flashes this year ill give him that. but yall be making this guy out to be the next wes welker or something. he has done ok but he hasnt done all that now.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
he was a huge reason why we got to 4 and 2
and he hasn’t done much lately but in the beginning of the year he was amazing as were all of our other players have done anything all year long either
by Carlitin1988 on Dec 13, 2011 11:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he was a huge reason why we got to 4 and 2
and he hasn’t done much lately but in the beginning of the year he was amazing as were all of our other players have done anything all year long either
by Carlitin1988 on Dec 13, 2011 11:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is this a joke?
He DID show improvement , and in some Bucs fans opinions maybe the most imporvement on the team.
No one said he was the next Welker. Parker was an undrafted free agent. He did better this year than Mike Williams.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
by LincolnHighNole on Dec 14, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
And why is it so hard for you to understand?
I said he has done good during the beginning of the season but what the hell has he done lately? he has struggled. so how are you improved when your production has not only decreased, but he has done absolutely nothing whatsoever except maybe turn the ball over. Just because you did absolutely nothing last year because he was a rookie who didnt play literally at all doesnt mean you improved. And Parker did better than Mike Williams how? Yall hyping this boy up to be more than what he is.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
We were talking about improvement over last year, not during the season
And even during the season his regression as a receiver has hardly been dramatic.
Parker has consistently caught balls gone his way
He has consistently picked up first downs. He’s playing better than Mike Williams right now, as a receiver.
This is what it feels like to be a Rams fan
“Re-build” years, every year.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 13, 2011 6:01 PM EST reply actions
no one likes my 3-4 defense idea?
even if we got rid of every player on defense it is not like we could play ay worse.
it just seems like all the good defense’s in NFL are 3-4 not 4-3.
It could play very worse
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
The pieces on the defensive line are perfectly in place to run a 4-3
Besides that, a lot of good NFL defenses run a 4-3 (like the Giants and Bears) or run a 3-4-in-name-only where the only difference is that the pass rusher is standing up (like the Texans and even the Ravens to an extent), but the assignments for the players are the same as in a 4-3.
There’s nothing special about a 3-4 that makes it inherently better or worse than a 4-3. It just requires different personnel: huge defensive linemen that can hold the point but don’t need to penetrate, and a lot of talent at linebacker: they’re the playmakers in a 3-4.
That’s personnel that the Bucs don’t have and would have to spend another two or three years trying to assemble. It’s a waste of talent and time to make that switch.
I used to really want a 3-4,
but I have to agree with Sander. We are two linebackers and a healthy GMac away from having a very formidable 4-3 front 7. With a 3-4, we are a NG, a 5-technique, two outside pass-rushing outside linebackers, and an inside linebacker away.
by flash_kiley on Dec 13, 2011 9:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please, no 3 - 4...
I dont want to start over again when are a few playmakers away on D. The next two drafts and FA should solidify the D. Now we just need somone who can coach them up…
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Switching to a 3-4 would be stupid at this point.
Just like it was for WAS the year after Shanahan showed up. They had a happy Haynesworth, Brian Orakpo and now Ryan Kerrigan. They were 8th in overall DEF that last year of their 4-3 and would have been beastly by now.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yup!!
We are close defensively, minus linebackers and defensivebacks…. Lol all kidding aside, it would be a big mistake to switch….
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
u look at at the best defenese's in the league, Jets, steelers, ravens, texans, 49ers, arizona
chicago is the only good 4-3 out there, new york is not good at all.
you can stop the run with a 4-3 or a 3-4.
it doesnt really matter. i say we need to get back to playing more tampa 2 coverage we can get that pressure with the front four we would be back in shape. and it is time to invest in a elite linebacker. i would actually prefer that over a cornerback at this point
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
It is more the players than it is the scheme.
And having dominant players at the key positions. In a 3-4, the most important positions are the noseguard and the outside linebackers. In a 4-3, the most important positions are the Will linebacker, the 3-technique, and a passrushing defensive end. When our defense was elite, we had Brooks, Sapp, and Rice. We don’t need a change in scheme. Clayborn is well on his way to being a dominant pass rusher. If McCoy can stay healthy he can be really disruptive. We are missing a Will. Which makes me wonder if we are picking in the 7-9 range if we should take Zach Brown. (Unless somehow Claiborne is still there) Brown is an elite, playmaking linebacker with speed, instincts, and pass rushing ability.
by flash_kiley on Dec 14, 2011 1:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But they all have developed/drafted/signed the correct personnel require to run a 3-4.
Sure, it looks flashy on T.V., but with our DL- it would suck.
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
The Texans are effectively a 4-3 Under defense
It’s just that the defensive end has his hand off the ground. Arizona a good defense? That’s a joke, right?
I hope that the arizona comment was a joke.
Besides having a few decent players on defense, they are pretty poor…
East Coast Fan
if u look at points per game Arizona is very good sure there not elite but i
i would take their defense over ours any day
Anybody ever think that starting Mason Foster at MLB was the wrong decision?
He should be leading the team in tackles at least. And if he is the qb of the defense maybe that might be some sort of explanation on why our defense sucks this year. No way should Sean Jones and Ronde barber lead the team in tackles.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
i understand that
but the question is even him missing three games really didnt do much of a change with or without him on defense. there was no real drop off in defense with him out. and he has struggled for the most part since. was it a mistake to start him at mlb?
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Oh yeah, I don't think he's been special by any account
He’s been adequate in run defense, and he’s made mistakes in coverage.
and people hated me for wanting Ryan Kerrigan
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
No. God, no.
Seven straight losses and counting- time to go, Raheem.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 14, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I would LOVE a 3-4
If we didnt have the personnel for the 4-3. The matchups and flexibility intrigue me, but for the Bucs, its not the right move, at least not right now.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
MULTIPLE
We need to be multiple, just like every good defensive team out there. Can run any set, 3-4, 4-3, 6-9 whatever. We dont have to draw a line and say either or. But we dont have the personnel to run any effective defense yet.
We cant even run a cover 4 like the Steelers or Ravens do because our SS and FS are not good. I mean an attacking cover 4, not Madden ’12 cover 4 (prevent). I hope we all understand the difference.
by LincolnHighNole on Dec 14, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions

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