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Examining the Bucs' Options for Our Next Head Coach

It's time to have a conversation about a new head coach. Raheem Morris has one year left on his contract. But after today's loss to Jacksonville the Bucs have lost seven straight, and there's a very real possibility that Tampa Bay will finish the season by losing ten in a row. Morris has a 17-38 record after nearly three full seasons. That's a win percentage of .378, folks. There's a slim possibility that Morris will hang on for one more year; the Glaziers have never been known for their spending largesse and Morris is undoubtedly a bargain. But to allow him to hold on after this disappointing of a season, after Morris boldly promised a division win, would be to risk alienating the fans that still remain loyal. It's time for a change. And it's time to examine our options moving forward.

So who's available that would be a legitimate option for head coach of the Bucs? I've taken a look at our options in four different categories: former (and possibly soon-to-be former) NFL head coaches, former NFL coaches currently working as coordinators, current NFL coordinators, and current college head coaches.

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Former NFL head coaches

Jeff Fisher


We might be late to this party. At least two teams have supposedly already contacted Fisher about the possibility of being their next head coach.

Pros: In 16 years with the Oilers/Titans Fisher had a 146-120 record, including a 5-6 playoff record. He led the Titans to the Super Bowl in 1999, and into the postseason five other times following that season. He was the longest tenured coach in the NFL prior to parting ways with the Titans and has a reputation for professionalism and discipline. His departure had more to do with conflicts with Bud Adams than performance issues. He still doesn't have a Super Bowl ring to his credit and will want that ring before he retires from the game.

Cons: The Titans only went to the playoffs twice in Fisher's last seven seasons, and were one and out on both occasions. He may demand more control than the Glaziers and Dominik (presuming that Dom retains his job) are willing to cede. As stated above, we may be too late to catch his interest.

Bill Cowher

One of the perpetual pipe dreams of losing teams over the past few years has been to land Cowher, who has been out of football since leaving the Steelers in 2007.

Pros: Cowher is a proven leader with a Super Bowl ring and an impressive 12-9 record in the playoffs. He has a .623 career winning percentage.

Cons: Cowher has always run a 3-4 defense, which would require a major overhaul of the Bucs' D-line: the same D-line we just spent two years' worth of 1st and 2nd round draft picks on. We would need to starting rebuilding- again- to begin to even be capable of running such a scheme. There are other suitors that would be a better match for Cowher ahead of us in the supplication line. Finally, he has repeatedly said that he has no plans to coach again.

Brian Billick

Recently, Billick was asked about being considered for the Jacksonville HC vacancy. He stated "They’re looking for young and cheap, and I’m neither." What does that portend for the Bucs' chances?

Pros:
Billick's another former coach with a winning record and a Super Bowl ring

Cons: He's also yet another coach who runs the 3-4, so the same objections mentioned with Cowher apply. He's got a reputation for being an egomaniac, and declaring that he's neither young nor cheap seems like the exact wrong way to catch the Glaziers' interest.

Jon Gruden

I had to include him, but I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell it would happen.

Pros: He knows the facilities already?

Cons: He seems content to be an announcer for now and just signed a new long-term contract with ESPN. The Glaziers would never be able to swallow their pride and call him to begin that conversation, especially as they're still paying off his contract. He's got nothing to prove here in Tampa. And lest we forget, we fired him only four years ago.

Andy Reid

There's no guarantee that he's going to lose his job- after Fisher left the Titans, Reid took over the title of longest tenure. But the always-polite fans in the City of Brotherly Love are calling for his blood, and somebody's got to take the fall for this nightmare season.

Pros: Reid only missed the playoffs three times in his first 12 seasons with the Eagles. He has an impressive .606 win percentage for his career and is an offensively minded guy who's made it to the Super Bowl but yet to come away with a win. If he's fired following this season, you can bet he'll still feel he has something to prove.

Cons: The Eagles haven't seemed the same since losing the Super Bowl in 2005. Reid has made some questionable personnel decisions (try mentioning the name Juan Castillo to an Eagles fan sometime) and his ability to lead a team has to be in question after the monumental meltdown of this year's Eagles team.

Tom Coughlin

Another coach that may be out of work this December is Coughlin: if the Giants miss the postseason again, Coughlin may have run out of chances in New York.

Pros: Coughlin is a disciplinarian and a consummate professional who would offer a sea change from the days of "Rah". He's a proven winner who runs 4-3 defenses and has a Super Bowl win to his credit.

Cons: He's 65 and might very well prefer to retire if he loses his current job. Then there's the reason he might be fired: his teams have consistently missed the playoffs for the past several seasons.

Tony Dungy

Pat Yasinskas brought this idea up recently and it's been discussed here as a result.

Pros: No one is more qualified than Dungy to lead a troubled franchise by example. He's a principled leader with a long record of success, and his return would be greeted by rejoicing from the Tampa Bay fanbase.

Cons: He's just not interested in coaching right now, as he stated emphatically when asked about interest in the Penn State coaching job. It's a lovely dream, but it's not happening folks.

Former NFL head coaches/current NFL coordinators

Marty Mornhinweg

The former Lions head coach and current Eagles offensive coordinator is considered a top candidate for a new head coaching position.

Pros: Mornhinweg is an offensive guru and led the Eagles to the postseason in 2006 after Reid yielded the playcalling responsibilities to him. His head coaching record must come with an asterisk, as Matt Millen never gave any head coaches this chance to succeed during his reign in Detroit.

Cons: Asterisk aside, Mornhinweg's record with the Lions was 5-21. Who can forget his ridiculous decision to kick rather than receive in overtime against Chicago, just so the wind would be in his favor? He also might have a temper problem, as his recent sideline spat with Eagles defensive line coach Jim Washburn seemed to indicate.

Rod Marinelli

Another former Detroit coach who deserves consideration is Marinelli, current defensive coordinator of the Bears.

Pros: Marinelli has a long history with the Bucs, having served as defensive line coach (and later, assistant head coach) under Tony Dungy. As with Mornhinweg, his record under the Lions must be viewed with the understanding that he was hampered by Millen. His defenses in Chicago have consistently ranked amongst the NFL's best.

Cons: Marinelli's record with the Lions was 10-38 and he oversaw their 0-16 season. He's a defensively focused coach, and the Bucs may be likelier to look for an offensively focused coach. It's rumored that he's content as Lovie Smith's DC and doesn't have the desire to try head coaching again.

Wade Phillips

Only one season after his ignominous exit from Dallas, Phillips has gained a lot of attention for turning Houston's defense from worst to first.

Pros: Phillips complied a .573 record in Dallas and only had one losing season during his nine years in Dallas. He's amply demonstrated that he has the capability to revitalize a struggling defense.

Cons:
Phillips only managed 1 win in 6 playoff games during his tenure in Dallas. If the Bucs are looking for an offensive mind, Phillips won't be their first choice.

Josh McDaniels

McDaniels' tenure in Denver didn't end well, but he's widely considered an offensive genius- sooner or later, a team may decide to give him another shot.

Pros: McDaniels achieved amazing things with the Patriots. His widely reviled decision to draft Tim Tebow appears to be paying dividends. He's young and driven, qualities that the Bucs have valued in recent years.

Cons:
McDaniels appeared totally unready for head coaching during his time in Denver; another raw and young coach isn't likely the solution to the Bucs' problems. He's widely considered to be the natural replacement for Todd Haley, if the Chiefs fire him. He hasn't impressed with his work in St. Louis- Sam Bradford has regressed under his tutelage.

Current NFL coordinators

Russ Grimm

The current assistant head coach and offensive line coordinator for the Cardinals, Grimm just missed out on the head coach position with the Steelers in 2007, coming in second to Mike Tomlin.

Pros: Grimm has consistently been commended for his leadership skills, and he's reached two Super Bowls (once with the Steelers, once with the Cardinals). His son Cody plays for the Bucs, giving him a link to the franchise.

Cons: Teams keep passing on him for a head coach gig- there's always the question of what teams know about the perpetual "also interviewed" candidates that keep them from pulling the trigger. Also, how's this guy going to objectively determine who starts at safety?

Jay Gruden

After just one year as OC for the Bengals, the younger Gruden is already the subject of rampant speculation for head coaching vacancies after exceeding expectations with rookies Andy Dalton and A.J. Green.

Pros: He's done great things with a very young offense. He's familiar with the Bucs, having worked from 2002-2008 as an offensive assistant under his brother. He has experience as a head coach- in the Arena Football League.

Cons: Let's not forget that he's only worked one year as a coordinator in the NFL. Most of his other experience has been in arena football. The Gruden connection may also work against him- I get the sense that the Glaziers have already had their fill of Grudens.

Rob Chudzinski

Carolina's offensive coordinator has turned heads this season with his guidance of Cam Newton.

Pros: He's done amazingly things with Cam Newton, a rookie who many considered too raw to succeed in the NFL.

Cons: Besides this season, he's worked as an OC for two seasons with the Browns, before being fired with the rest of Romeo Crennel's staff. That's probably much too inexperienced to be considered ready for a head coaching gig.

Rob Ryan

Rex Ryan's more hirsute twin is reportedly very hungry to get his own shot as head coach of an NFL team.

Pros: The Harbaugh brothers may provide the template for why a team will take a chance on Ryan- his brother's success with the Jets. He's done well improving the Cowboys defense this season.

Cons: In his prior gigs as DC for the Raiders and Browns, he only had a top ten defense for one season out of seven. Again, it seems likelier the Bucs would value an offensive guy over a defensive guy.

Current college head coaches

Kirk Ferentz

Ferentz is frequently mentioned when discussing coaches who could make the transition from college football to the NFL.

Pros: Ferentz has compiled a 96-65 record at Iowa and has kept the Hawkeyes competitive throughout his tenure, leading them to ten bowl appearances, including a BCS bowl in 2010. He has wored as both an offensive and defensive coordinator, and has previously worked as an assistant coach in the NFL.

Cons: With a few exceptions, college coaches tend to struggle when transitioning to the NFL. Ferentz has previously stated that he's happy at Iowa and not interested in other jobs: the fact that he's under contract until 2015 and the third highest paid coach in college football may have something to do with that disinterest.

Les Miles

The LSU head coach has earned a lot of attention lately, leading to speculation that a pro team will eventually try to make him an offer.

Pros: Miles has amassed a sterling 103-38 record coaching the college game. He's got an offensive background, but has made punishing defense the trademark of his LSU teams. He's worked in the NFL before as a tight ends coach for the Cowboys.

Cons: Miles' offensive style is a bit too gimmicky to translate to the NFL. The "Mad Hatter" is a player's coach- and we haven't had that great an experience with our current "player's coach". Miles already makes more money than most NFL coaches, $3.75 million in base salary plus bonuses.

Poll
Who's the best candidate to be the next head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
Jeff Fisher
226 votes
Bill Cowher
142 votes
Brian Billick
38 votes
Jon Gruden
44 votes
Andy Reid
69 votes
Tom Coughlin
8 votes
Tony Dungy
156 votes
Marty Mornhinweg
12 votes
Rod Marinelli
35 votes
Wade Phillips
16 votes
Josh McDaniels
23 votes
Russ Grimm
64 votes
Jay Gruden
38 votes
Rob Chudzinski
15 votes
Rob Ryan
63 votes
Kirk Ferentz
12 votes
Les Miles
47 votes
Someone else- I'll tell you who in the comments
40 votes
We don't need a new coach- Morris should get another year
96 votes

1144 votes | Poll has closed

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Who voted for Rah?

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by witty on Dec 11, 2011 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Not I

My vote was for Fisher- I think he’s our best option if we can land him.

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 11, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

too many people have not seen the light

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 11, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

BucsfanlostinIowa, I apologize for being wrong.

As it turns out, you were correct. This team was too young to have that young of a head coach. But I only wish you, now that everyone sees you were right, will let up off any Raheem Hate. There is no need, he’s a good guy, and has a lot of good coaching left in him. If he hasn’t had his confidence destroyed from this, I think he will have a good career in coaching.
But in no way do I favor getting a retread coach. Most teams are finding success getting EXPERIENCED coordinators, Of the few teams that did decide to recycle — Seattle with Pete Carroll, Washington with Mike Shanahan, the Chargers with Norv Turner, the Bills with Chan Gailey, Denver with John Fox and Cincinnati if you want to count them for Re-Hiring with Marvin Lewis — only the Broncos and Bengals currently own winning records.

But anyways, I think I owe you an apology first. You were right after all.

Bucs motto since 1996- No excuses, No explanations.

by Niko's Best Bucs Videos on Dec 12, 2011 6:57 AM EST up reply actions  

That's because IA listens to me. :D

Morris will get a job somewhere, get some experience, and we’ll see him again as a HC. And with the retread list, the only one who has won a SB as a HC is Shanahan, who’s boss is Daniel Snyder, don’t think I need to say anything more about that.

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 12, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Niko

I have said many harsh things about Raheem Morris, it was never personal, I’m sure he is a great guy, and I’m sure the players really do love him, he has a long way to go before he is ready to be an NFL head coach, the glazers never should have hired him in the first place, they pretty much set him up to fail.

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 12, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Well you know like I have said all along is that he was just a cheap fill in while they pay off Gruden.

Now that Gruden is paid off, and Morris didn’t pan out, I have no doubt in my mind that the Glazers will spend on a new coach, they’re not as cheap as people think they are. I do think they expected the economy to tank, lesser ticket sales, and less winning. I believe all along they had a plan.

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 12, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Glazers are too busy with a winning soccer franchise in Manchester United to be worried about REAL FOOTBALL! He should give up the team to someone more focused on the NFL.

by LuiVill on Dec 13, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Fisher isn't anything special

As a Titan’s fan I watched his teams for years. He commands respect but his teams were typically average, with the occasional playoff run. I would prefer someone more exciting that brings something specific to the table. Fisher would fix the discipline problems and get the locker room straightened out, but he wouldn’t take us to the promised land.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The promised land is a long, long way from here

If Fisher can fix discipline problems and get the locker room straightened out, he’d have accomplished something Morris never has. Raheem is exciting and charismatic. I’m fine without that for now- we need to go back to fundamentals before we can talk about the promised land. And don’t forget, he still doesn’t have a a ring- I think that’s a positive. We want someone who’s hungry to get one.

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Fisher is the definition of average.

If they want a average head coach who will take them to the playoffs every three years or so that’s on them. I would prefer someone that is a little more dynamic. Fisher would be Jon Gruden without the flash.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Who are you thinking, Lee?

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea.

I would prefer pretty much anyone over Fisher. I guess you could argue that Fisher was behind the 8ball with Peyton Manning in his division all those years, but I am just not impressed with him. He would fix almost everything in the short term, but in two or three years we’d be asking when we were going to take the next step, and he isn’t the guy to get us there in my opinion.

I would take the OC or DC from the NYG. Gilbride and Fewell are attractive candidates in my opinion. If not a successful coordinator maybe a college coach like Art Briles.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 13, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I would pass on Gilbride.

He’s been in the league forever and has never got a HC position, and there’s a reason for that. The one thing I think of when I hear his name is him getting punched in the face by Buddy Ryan on Monday Night Football, that was hilarious.

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I did

The only idiots are the ones who were clamoring for him to be coach of the year 10 months ago and now want him fired

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by Sveet on Dec 12, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. Losing seven games in a row, including two straight blowouts to last place teams in their division

whilst helming the worst defense in the league isn’t a good reason to get fired.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess you are in favor of looking for a new qb as well

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by Sveet on Dec 12, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

Freeman has shown he can be a good QB in this league. Morris hasn’t shown proficiency at anything. What’s he good at? Why should we keep him?

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me get this straight

2010: Team overachieves
Raheem is amazing
Josh Freeman is amazing

2011: Team underachieves
Raheem is horrible and should be fired
Josh has been horrible, but is the answer at QB

Does this make sense to anyone?

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by Sveet on Dec 12, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it makes sense. Its overreactionary.

That’s how society is, and it plays out well in sports. Everyone is the best or worst, there is no average. Freeman needs help. Rah can’t handle multiple duties (heh)

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly it is overreactionary

Just not sure why you are being level headed with Josh but over reactionary about Raheem

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by Sveet on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I would just love to hear someone explain to me how a majority of Bucs fans can think the guy is a great coach 11 months ago

and now want him fired.

Did he just lose his ability to coach in 11 months?

I have no idea if Raheem is a good coach or not, but I think he has earned another year. I have no idea if Josh is a good QB or not, but I think he has also earned another year.

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by Sveet on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at what you are asking.

In Rays terms, everyone thought Maddon sucked in 2009 (I think) when we missed playoffs. Now, he’s awesome again. It’s overreaction and instant info in today’s world. Morris could be a good HC, but he is a lousy DC. The penalties, poor discipline and slow starts have killed him. That is 100% on him as HC. He didn’t lose his ability, we had a good schedule and some improbable comebacks. You cant count on those.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

2 of the 3 years we have had Morris as HC...

we have sucked some serious *ss.

The guy is clearly over matched, and the Freeman heroics in 2010 over the bottom dwelling teams gave some a false sense of superiority – and that “Thundering Crash” sound you hear as we plummet back to earth was caused by those folks, and media types, that bought into it.

BucNut, Bucsfanlostiniowa, and myself (among a few others whose names currently escape me) were right on point with this. Now the bulbs have come on over the heads of most others here – there are, surprisingly, a few that cling on to Rah fighting hope against hope.

I am sure there are still people sending money to Jim & Tammy Faye Baker too.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it makes sense to just about everyone but you.

Morris is responsible for the team. That is his job as head coach. Freeman is a young QB. Maybe he doesn’t recover, but his skill set isn’t replaceable like Morris.

You didn’t answer my question. What does Morris do well? Also, I never said Raheem was amazing last year.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Clearly he was good as a head coach last year

What does Harbough do well? What does Tomlin do well? What does Kubiak do well?

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by Sveet on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he exhibited any great qualities last year either. He strung some wins together from some young kids. Not sure it was a direct testament to his skills. Either way, growth and not regression was expected this year and he failed to deliver.

Anyway, head coaching aside. Morris needs to be fired for his defense. He refuses to give up the defense, so he needs to go.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

FROM YOUNGRY TO YUPID!!

What happened? No free agents in the off season was a huge mistake, I thought Ra was pretty good @ making halftime adjustments…last year. Again…what happened? This team has not gotten any better as the season has progressed! Can’t say I’ve EVER seen a team that plays worse every week.

by Bucs137 on Dec 12, 2011 1:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Also don't you want them to lose?

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by Sveet on Dec 12, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Never.

Sucking for draft picks is dumb. I’d much rather have some momentum going into the offseason, however meager it may be.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

The difference between 7th and 10th pick is nothing. No guarantee of talent.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the difference between the 2nd and 3rd pick was

Suh to McCoy.

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by Sveet on Dec 12, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Suh has been invisible this year (minus the penalties)

of course there are good players at #3, but look at all the busts in top half of round 1 and the good talent picked up in 2nd – 7th rounds.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So are you saying you would rather have McCoy

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by Sveet on Dec 12, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No, just making a point that one hot name one year doesn't mean we missed.

There are tons of busts, bad picks early and great picks late. It alld epends on talent. The only thing a higher draft slot gives you is a chance to dictate who you pick. It doesnt mean you get better talent.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Right.

Look at all the great defensive players to come after Gaines Adams in the 2007 draft.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Either, neither or both!!

Suh is just a dirty player and McCoy is fragile!

by Bucs137 on Dec 12, 2011 2:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

There is no guarantee of anything.

You are pretty much saying draft order doesn’t matter. That the 31st pick is the same as the 1st?

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by Sveet on Dec 12, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Talent evaluation is more important than draft order.

Having the #1 pick guarantees you get who you want, but picking at 10 vs. 15 vs. 20 doesn;t mean the 10th pick gets better talent. It’s all evaluation.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen to that

HC must be gone. We are looking horrific out there.

by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Dec 12, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

But that doesnt mean a better player. It just means you have a larger pool to pick from.

It still depends on your evaluation. If higher talent always went first, there would be no busts.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I was one of those calling for rah's head.

Initially I wanted him to give up the DC position only, however, as the year wore on my opinion changed to that I now wanted him gone, period!!!

I was actually roasted by several members here when I first broached the subject. It sucks that I was right all along.

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by Bucfan on Dec 12, 2011 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Excellent article rook...

I agree that we need an offensive minded head coach who can bring in a good D coordinator….

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by Bucfan on Dec 11, 2011 11:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks man

There are a lot of good options out there for us- let’s just hope that the Glaziers are going over a similar list tonight.

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 11, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

This offseason is either gonna be really good or really bad.

Either we go get a reliable, big name coach and make a splash in the offseason. Or the glazers will continue to keep their pockets closed, sign a young probably not ready head coach, and stay dormant in free agency.

by flash_kiley on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It could get worse....

Glazer’s could fire Rah and hire Ollie as coach.

by BucfaninAZ on Dec 12, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't see that happening, they're gonna clean house.

There’s nobody on the staff worth retaining, which is why IMO they haven’t fired Morris yet. Who would take over, Olson?

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 12, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that's a positive perspective

Who will we get?

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

billick!!!

fisher is being talked about constantly on san diego sports radio. more and more by the day actually. cowher wants to be gm/coach, so does andy reid, i don’t like the idea of giving a hc that much power, they need someone to tell them no sometimes, see gruden. as stated in the write up, college coaches rarely make the jump to nfl. wade phillips is best as a dc, marty mornhinweg too. short story long i had it narrowed down to grimm or billick. still don’t know. billick is supposed to be an offense guy and b-more never had any o when he was there. i dont think he would change the d to a 34. i’m on the fence about billick and grimm. are there any other choices?

by big_wile on Dec 12, 2011 12:30 AM EST reply actions  

There are lots of other choices ou there, sure

These just seems liked the best ones to profile. I think if it was between Billick and Grimm, Grimm is preferable. Billick is a 3-4 guy and a primadonna who believes too many of his own press clippings: he got to the Super Bowl through the grace of his defensive coordinator.

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Billick isn't a 3-4 guy, he's an offensive minded coach.

He was hired to a team that already ran the 3-4 and was damn good at it, they still are.

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

out of all of those guys I'd take wade phillips

but I don’t think there’s any chance he doesn’t resign with houston. I think marinelli would be a good fit

by Carlitin1988 on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Hard to turn down a top position if it's offered

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Zimmer, DC of the Bengals, should be a candidate for serious consideration IMO

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Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 AM EST reply actions  

Thought about including him too

My thought was that they’d likely look for an offensive guy over a defensive guy. But Zimmer is very good and will get a head coaching gig sooner rather than later.

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, 24 votes for Jeff Fisher is dumb.

He is good, but he doesn’t have enough to put a team over the top. 20 years as a head coach and he’s 5-6 in the playoffs, his last playoff win came 8 years ago, and the last time he won more than 2 playoff games in a season took place in the last century.

I voted Rob Chudzinski, make him HC/OC, I’m just amazed at how he can adapt his offense to fit his players. Look what he is doing with Cam Newton, and what he did with Derek Anderson… sent the dude to the pro-bowl. Derek Anderson blows.

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Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Dec 12, 2011 1:18 AM EST reply actions  

It's probably all for naught, as I doubt we'd win a bidding war for Fisher's services

I’m hesitant to give the job to a guy who has so little experience- that’s backfired on us badly before.

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

They kept showing him last night on TV

And I couldn’t help but wonder how does that guy pee, cause he can’t see or reach down there with that belly. He’d probably be the first HC to die of a heart attack on the side line.

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 12, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Fisher

I’ve tried to stay loyal to “Rah” (Cringe) because of last year, but after that game I’m convinced! Our best bet i think would be Fisher, but doubtful he’d come here and I wouldn’t be surprised if no change was made at HC

by Lwp on Dec 12, 2011 6:53 AM EST reply actions  

The Bucs have had more success hiring Defensive minded coaches than Offensive, but just barely.

Breaking it down by Offensive/Defensive or Retread or NFL rookie.

John McKay Both Rookie turned around expansion team faster than anyone, 3 of 4 playoff years 1 NFC Championship game.

Leeman Bennett Offensive Retread 4 wins in 2 years
Ray Perkins Offensive Retread quick starts turned into double digit losses
Richard Williamson Offensive Rookie players coach- 1 losing season
Sam Wyche Offensive retread 5 losing seasons
Tony Dungy Defense rookie Turned around Bucs, multiple Playoffs, NFC Championship game.

Jon Gruden offensive Retread Super Bowl victory
Raheem Morris defense rookie 1 of 3 winning seasons.

Bucs motto since 1996- No excuses, No explanations.

by Niko's Best Bucs Videos on Dec 12, 2011 7:09 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah but all but Gruden, Dungy, and Morris had to deal with Culverhouse.

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 12, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I say Marinelli

He’s my first choice. Brings back Tampa Two, Jimmy Lake as D coordinator

Bucs motto since 1996- No excuses, No explanations.

by Niko's Best Bucs Videos on Dec 12, 2011 7:11 AM EST reply actions  

We should promote Jimmy lake because the DBs have been playing lights out all year

Oh wait…

Seriously though, I’ll be a one man riot if a single one of our current coaches is OC, DC, or HC next year. Nobody deserves a promotion outside of interim coach if we dump Morris and Olsen. This entire staff needs to be gutted.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

No way Marinelli after 0-16 gets hired here as anything other than DC

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

It can be argued the 0-16 had to do with terrible GM drafting by Matt "Never Met A WR He Didn't Like" Millen

Even Bill Cowher would have had problems coaching a team that had little talent across the board, weighed down by WR draft busts and lack of FA acquisitions…

Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!

by witty on Dec 12, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Problem with the idea of a new coach

1) Problem #1, as the article already mentions, Glazers are cheap due to financial problems
2) Problem #2 as the article already mentions, Bucs owe Gruden one more year of salary for doing nothing
3) Problem #3, as the article already mentions, the Bucs own Morris one more year if they fire him now

My answer – they will keep Morris even if fans desert the stadium as their TV contract money will allow them to make some money even with low attendence and terrible results. Then, when 2012 is over, they can get rid of Morris, dump his contract and Gruden’s and hire what they want. If they prove me wrong, so much the better Trouble is, I don’t think the ownwer will.

This is why I voted for Morris one more year – not that I want that to happen, but it is what I expect to happen.

by Saab_9_3 on Dec 12, 2011 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

1) and 2) aren't correct

The Glazers have never skimped on head coaching salaries, as they gave Gruden a $5M/year contract as recently as 2008. That contract runs out this season, so the Bucs are not on the hook for Gruden’s salary in 2012.

Morris’ salary isn’t big enough to be a hindrance for hiring anyone.

by Sander on Dec 12, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Glazers are not cheap....

They just let their GM spend what he wants. When Dungy was here it was handing out extensions to all of the D guys, with Gruden it was a revolving list of bottom level free agents. Now just because the current GM doesn’t want to spend money the Glazers are cheap? I just don’t get your logic here? I mean Rah is cheap but does he deserve more? and they have still been paying Gruden this whole time. Dom has even said he’s allowed to spend what he wants.

by Pirate25 on Dec 12, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

Dom has openly said, on more than one occasion...

that he has not been limited or ham-strung in any way financially by the Glazers. That statement makes his F/A ineptitude all Dom. That has to change pretty quick, or by the time our plan begins to kick in, our 2009 draft gems will have new contracts to deal with. The window to win is not as large as it once was – not in this modern day “money grab” mentality.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 12, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice article.

We’ll have about $4-5MM available for a HC and DC next year, keep that in mind (that’s based off Gruden’s contract being done and the $ we owe to Rah if he’s fired).

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks man

Yeah, that may be a problem if we go after a guy with multiple suitors (Fisher, Cowher, etc.).

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I swear Dom is trying to make him self look like a draft genius

And I know championship teams are built through the draft, but almost all those teams have at least one key, difference-making free agent:
Packers: Charles Woodson
Saints: Drew Brees
Giants: Plaxico Burgess
Patriots: Rodney Harrison

The core of this team is in the key stage of learning. The game should be starting to slow down for them. If we don’t bring in a couple free agents to fix some problem areas, and put a competent coaching staff together to grow and discipline this team, all this talent will go to waste!!

by flash_kiley on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Up to 38 now..

I didn’t think there would be 38 people in the entire world that would think Morris should stay, much less 38 Bucs fans from this blog…

by RuudAwakening on Dec 12, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Now up to 43...

MUST be Morris fans because he sure isn’t the best on that list to coach the Bucs!

"In life, you'll have your back up against the wall many times. You might as well get used to It." - Coach Paul 'Bear' Bryant

by Tye on Dec 12, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Lurkers who work for the Bucs?

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Chiefs just fired Haley

Their record was a win better than ours.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

I don't want Haley

Was just saying their situation is very, very similar to ours.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Pass

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No Haley, but we can't fire Morris today.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares who you make what?

We need to get moving on finding a new coach. Lots of teams will be competing for that. Not to mention maybe, just maybe, our players will respond better under another coach LIKE THE JAGS DID YESTERDAY.

I see zero advantage to keeping Morris around. Just rip the band aid off now.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is you generally promote a DC or OC.

Olson isnt getting promoted and we have no DC (which Mel Tucker was). We’ve seen what moving a position coach up to HC does, plus it does impact the locker room. There best bet right now is to mvoe forward and dump Morris at end of year. Pulling the plug now does not accomplish anything.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I strongly disagree

After yesterday Morris (and Olson) should be shown the door today imo. Promote a defensive position coach to interim coach. Let Free call the plays on offense. It doesn’t matter.

The team needs to move on, and the sooner the better.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Defensive position coaches rarely make good interim coaches- it'd be really weird

"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"

by 4QB on Dec 12, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No I think the interim coach can't possibly be worse

and he could be better. I think we need to get started on the coaching search sooner rather than later. And I think a lame duck coach other than an interim coach does more harm than good.

And I think a game like yesterday’s should be inexcusable. If I was that bad at my job I wouldn’t last a week.

I think there is absolutely no good reason to keep him any longer. None.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Who would you promote as interim head coach?

Seriously. Just name someone. And then realize that you’re taking individual coaching time away from whichever group you take that head coach from, and you’re taking individual coaching time away from the DBs (assuming Jimmy Lake would be promoted to interim DC).

by Sander on Dec 12, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

So what?

What has that coaching time accomplished? What is that coaching time going to accomplish between now and the end of the season before we fire the HC and change everything before next season?

These things you are worried about don’t matter at all at this point in the season. Changing the direction of the franchise and making a statement about the future is what matters now.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

They're going all in for Griffin/Paul

I can’t say I blame them. I’d do it in a heartbeat to keep Dwight if we could.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops wrong blog lol

but somehow I replied to the right person… That’s a whole new class of screw up for me.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Because there's nobody to cover DC responsibilities, and they entire staff is gonna be shown the door anyway.

What’s 3 more games? And everybody knows I want these guys gone, never wanted them here.

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 12, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Believe me, I want him gone, 3 years ago I wanted him gone.

But now or in 3 weeks, it doesn’t make any difference. It could be a move to save face with some players as well. They know he’s done, but I bet Brian Price is ready to show Morris the door.

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 12, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You fire Morris mid season, that's 3 headcoaches in 4 games the players will have.

An interim head coach will get less respect than Morris.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

What's the point of firing Raheem Morris right now?

Getting a head start on a coaching search? That stuff happens behind the scenes anyway.

The only thing you cause when you fire Raheem Morris now is more turmoil and less time for position coaches to coach their players, as they’re forced to move up with the firing of the head coach and defensive coordinator. There are no positives, there.

by Sander on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If we could get Todd Haley as an OC before anyone else

I would be in favor of firing Olson right now, but that’s about it.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like Haley.

He seems like a more obnoxious version Gruden without the charisma. I might let him design plays in a back room somewhere, but I wouldn’t let him near my players.

by Brooklyn Buc on Dec 12, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't deny what he did with Romo

and then what he did with Warner in Arizona.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really surprised KC fired him midseason.

The fans loved him from what I’ve heard. Plus, if Cassel hadn’t have gotten injured they might have had a shot at a winning season this year.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I see Haley as an OC who thinks he is a Head Coach

so probably wouldn’t be in the best interest of the team to hire him. He would be using the OC position as a springboard back to a Head coaching job.

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 12, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. If we did hire him as OC we would need an older and more experienced HC

so he wouldn’t be threatened by Haley. You’re probably right that he would be gunning for the job though.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure I can!

Those are good QBs with or without Haley. Maybe not Romo as much but still.

by Brooklyn Buc on Dec 12, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Warner was good, but Haley brought him back from the dead.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

MORE turmoil?

How could we possibly have more turmoil?

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

There's not actually a lot of turmoil right now

Yes, the media and fans are calling for Raheem Morris’ head, but that’s it. That’s a far cry from actually removing the head coach and DC, promoting a new DC, promoting a head coach and filling the gaps left behind by those coaches.

by Sander on Dec 12, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a lot of turmoil? Are you kidding?

The team is drowning in turmoil. The team is a pressure cooker right now.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh please

You can feel from here.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The turmoil is mostly limited to media and fan pressure

Not to actual ownership or decision-maker pressure. That’s a whole other level of turmoil.

by Sander on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It is not

Watch how fast we collapsed on the field after Parker fumbled. The pressure is on hard and the team is responding very, very poorly to it.

Yugly.

by aakks on Dec 12, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Even as a highly paid OC?

I would love to have him as our OC

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Id' rather spend the money on a DC

but assuming money is no object, I wouldn’t be opposed to him as OC, just not HC.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously.

The Glazers would have to open the checkbook, but he is a great OC, and not so great head coach. If this firing humbles him enough I’m sure he would take the position for the right amount of money.

I’d rather have a competent DC too.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I like andy

for our head coach……i mean look what he and McNabb did….Josh is a lot like McNabb only he can win a game in the 4th…..I think for our young team we need an experienced head coach to keep them in check and to show them HOW to be a football player

by shadowchicken on Dec 12, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

If the Bucs could have any of them...

I picked Andy Reid… He has had much success getting into the post season or at least having winning seasons but more than that he has had success developing players and then trading them the next year for high draft picks….

I feel like with the way this year is going he has learned from it about filling the roster with high profiled players thinking it was an instant playoff team!

"In life, you'll have your back up against the wall many times. You might as well get used to It." - Coach Paul 'Bear' Bryant

by Tye on Dec 12, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Billick is an offensive minded coach, not defense.

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 12, 2011 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

He says he is, but his offenses have been terrible.

I also don’t think he is necessarily a 3-4 guy, but his coordinators have been.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Billick has been crying for years about not getting an offer to coach

there is a reason he has been out of coaching, I say pass

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 12, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

He's also a "slappie" as Gruden used to say.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I wrote a fanpost about re-tread coaches about a month ago

I guess I was alittle too early. Anyway, I’m no fan of Cowher, Fisher, Turner. or Reid. the only thing those guys could do is maybe restore some credibility to the franchise, and maybe sell some tickets. To be honest I’m really not sure who we should go after.

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 12, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you have anyone in particular in mind, Sander?

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea how likely each coach is to leave his team, so it's hard to tell

But I like what Steve Sarkisian is doing at UW. Chip Kelly has been an innovative master at Oregon, but unfortunately doesn’t have any NFL experience. Bo Pelini at Nebraska is interesting too, and he coached in the NFL for 8 years. Bob Stoops would be interesting and he’s been massively successful – but he has no NFL experience, which hurts.

Nick Saban is always intriguing. Didn’t have a lot of success with the Dolphins, but does have a history of college success and has a lot of NFL experience.

by Sander on Dec 12, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Pelini is a very intriguing prospect

Of course, he’s under contract until 2014. Sarkisian until 2013.

Saban’s not going to give pro football another go. He’s happy in the Bear Bryant chair.

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't know

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm fine with Fisher and maybe Reid.

Cowher is a bad fit and Turner shouldn’t be a HC. Cowher pulled the “…going out on a high note” thing and now everyone is ready to hump his leg.

by Brooklyn Buc on Dec 12, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially when you figure out how much we are paying per win.

For anyone with some time on their hand, that may not be a bad thing to tackle. How much each HC has made per win over the last2-3 years. Anyone up for the job?

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I too would be interested in the combined cost-per-win for HCs since '09-10.

It does look like it would take a fair amount of research, though. Some quick Googling didn’t reveal any full lists of 2011 NFL HC salaries.

by Scurvy Dog on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I was looking at the numbers on the poll

I can’t believe that many people still think Raheem should get another chance. Everything that ws wrong with this team in 2009 is still wrong with it now. It’s not even the losses it’s the way we are losing, getting blown out by garbage teams is no way to make a statement that you deserve more time. I guess people just can’t let go of that 10-6 season and see it for what it really was.

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 12, 2011 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

Do you think Morris is to blame for Freeman's decline this year?

This would be a different to team with London Fletcher, Jonathan Joseph, Michael Huff, and a good #2 running back as FAs.

by Brooklyn Buc on Dec 12, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

No raheem has little to do with the offense

I have said over and over the owners are to blame for hiring raheem and olson, Freeman is on the decline because of bad coaching put in place by bad owners.

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 12, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Parade of Losers and NFL Recycles

I remember Morris first year he was highly criticised by all of you, you never like the fellow, I don’t know why oh I guess I do, so i’m not surprised at the level of your ugly criticism, You listed all this coaches like Fisher what are his accomplishment, he spent about 18years in NFL without nothing significant to show for it, Cowher spent about 8years before wining a championship, do you know what they got in common somebody was patient with them, my guess is you will be patient with them too, the owners of the bucs are much more smarter than all of you that never run a candy shop in your life, Raheem is going to remain the coach, if you don’t like it drive down to Miami to watch the dolphins, Sporano is doing so well, that is your kind of guy.

by zo3184 on Dec 12, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

The truth hurts but it's not ugly

Raheem stinks as a DC and as a head coach

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 12, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Please don't ever compare Raheem Morris to Bill Cowher again

Cowher led Pitt to the playoffs in his first six seasons with the team. He also had three losing seasons in fifteen years. Not even comparable.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Dec 12, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Seven straight losses tends to open you up to honest criticism

One of Morris’ most telling comments this year was that stats are for losers. If that’s so, let’s hope he’s begun to examine his own stats: because by any measure, a .378 win percentage means that you are a loser.

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone in my Office just said "...The Bucs fire their coach on MSN."

But it turns out she was mistaking a chiefs hat for a Bucs hat. Because they are both red.

by Brooklyn Buc on Dec 12, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

I'm no fan of Jeff Fisher

but why couldn’t they bring him in now to get a jump start on next year if they wanted to?

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 12, 2011 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

A few reasons

A head coach needs time to implement his system, to familiarize himself with his players, to assemble his own coaching staff etc.

Whoever is hired will have months to do all that after the season. Those 3 weeks won’t make a difference.

by Sander on Dec 12, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Rob Ryan

I would take Rob Ryan. The Bucs succeeded under Dungy, who ushered in that awesome defense, and then we won the Ring when a young, fiery Gruden came in and put all the pieces together.

Rob Ryan is the best of both worlds. He’s relatively young, defensive-minded, and fiery. Just what the doctor ordered.

Of course, I’m still a huge proponent of firing Greg Olson.

by Bucs-RaysChick on Dec 12, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Considering the options...

Ryan’s probably the most realistic. Bill Cowher, Jeff Fisher… That’s unrealistic optimism. Heck, I’ll even take Joe Maddon over Raheem..

by Bucs-RaysChick on Dec 12, 2011 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously

If Raheem gets fired…….Olsen will be promoted as the head coahc. I am calling it right now. You watch!!!!!! We will score none of these coaches on this list.

Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!

by dcbucsfan on Dec 12, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

As interim head coach, obviously

But he won’t last as full time head coach. I’d bet anything on that.

by Bucs-RaysChick on Dec 12, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

if he sucessful

they will keep him.

Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!

by dcbucsfan on Dec 12, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i have a strong feeling.

olsen will be the coach. i dont want it to happen but thats whats going to happen

Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!

by dcbucsfan on Dec 12, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I really hate to say this but.......

olson as head coach with a new DC and OC might be better than what we got

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 12, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Bite your tongue!

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Still think bringing back Dungy is a smart move

1) Glazers have now seen the ups and downs of other coaches, and that maybe Dungy might know what he’s doing
2) Dungy should have learned from his experience with the Colts and Peyton Manning how to build around a franchise QB.
3) Because

Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!

by witty on Dec 12, 2011 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

Trust me, I'd lobby for Dungy in a heartbeat if I thought it was a possibility

But it really isn’t. Read the interview with him about the Penn State job and you realize that he’s happy and mentally a long way away from coaching right now.

A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.

by RookTakesYou on Dec 12, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I figured it was Dungy's polite way of saying "I ain't working for a program that's probably gonna be suspended for years..."

“…with the very real possibility of terrible recruiting for at least the next decade.”

Seriously, is anyone gonna take a Penn State coaching job when they are facing the very real possibility of the “death penalty”, possibly even the university dropping college football altogether?

Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!

by witty on Dec 13, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I think, if they maintain their football program...

you would have to be “squeaky clean” to want, and get, that HC job. The Jerry Sandusky issue notwithstanding, they have an amazing legacy of football there and would ordinarily be a dream job, now that Dick Clark, I mean Joe Paterno, has exited the scene.

by Cracker Ball on Dec 13, 2011 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it will be that hard to fill the Penn St position.

Who ever they bring in is gonna clean house, and I’m not so sure the NCAA has any say in what’s going on. What was said to be done is horrible, but that is the laws job to punish not the NCAA.

So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!

by bucnut1 on Dec 13, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Marc Trestman gets my vote. Smart, savy Offensive guy. Just won the Grey Cup in the CFL (I know it’s the CFL, but just go with me here), and has a good resume as an O-Coordinator in the NFL. When someone wants their draft prospect QB to look better they call Trestman. Give him a sharp D Coordinator ,say Spagnola is available for instance or Crennel and you’e got a good looking staff. I’m serious here, he would make Freeman look like a Manning. He’s proved he can run a team. None of the re-treads impress me, except Dungy and we know that won’t happen. Look him up if you don’t know him.

by Bradinator on Dec 14, 2011 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

BUCS NEW HEAD COACH - RONDEE BARBER

Rondee Barber – new head coach of the Tampa Bay Bucks – 2012 why because in the scheme of things in the Glazer’s thrifty minds – they get a working head coach – defense for a couple of downs – they get a proven winner of 14 years on what and how to win football games. I did mention thrifty – what’s thriftier than hiring a fellow who is already in Tampa and knows how to win games. No relocation needed. Fans love his work, and he already lives here. As for the rest of the choices you would have to give more than they have proven they want to give control wise and cheapness wise so Rondee Barber could hire Tiki Barber and the young experiment could continue a bit longer.

by Homer B on Dec 19, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

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