Buccaneers - Jaguars 14-41: Tampa Bay stomped on by Jacksonville
by Sander on Dec 11, 2011 7:07 PM EST
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PrintThe Tampa Bay Buccaneers did the seemingly impossible in this game: they scored a touchdown on offense in the first quarter. In fact, they scored it on their opening possession as Legarrette Blount got to punch it in from one yard out. Two possessions later they took a commanding lead after a Ronde Barber interception of Blaine Gabbert gave the Bucs the ball around midfield. A 13-yard Josh Freeman scramble capped that drive, and for a moment the Bucs reminded the fans of the 2010 season.
And then, 2011 struck. A fumbled punt by Preston Parker, a blown coverage by Tanard Jackson (according to Raheem Morris), a fumble by Josh Freeman and finally an interception were all part of the worst second quarter of the season. When the Bucs and Jaguars went inside for halftime, the Bucs suddenly trailed 28-14 after four unanswered Jacksonville touchdowns. A team that had not scored more than 20 points all season long had managed to put up 28 points on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in just under a quarter.
This wasn't a case of a few bad plays. It was a total team meltdown. In one quarter. Special teams, offense and defense all gave up touchdowns in embarrassing fashion. When WR Mike Thomas was out with injury, the Bucs let the Jaguars' only receiving threat get behind them in Marcedes Lewis. They allowed Blaine Gabbert to go down the field and score a touchdown in a two-minute drive. It was horrendous. And it felt like the final nail in Raheem Morris' coffin.
The second half started out in hilariously incompetent fashion. After forcing a Jacksonville punt, the Buccaneers went right back to being terrible. Josh Freeman's pass to Legarrette Blount was tipped at the line, resulting in a Paul Posluszny interception. Three plays later, Blaine Gabbert threw an interception to Mason Foster. But the Bucs didn't care: Legarrette Blount fumbled the ball right back on his next carry.
That show of incompetence didn't lead to a score, somehow, but the Jaguars would score two more touchdowns nonetheless. Shamefully, both came on long drives of 10 and 9 yards respectively. The Bucs couldn't stop a team that had one offensive weapon and a rookie QB who had looked horrible in every previous game. The Bucs couldn't score on a team that was so talent-depleted on defense it was starting a cornerback who couldn't make the Bucs' own squad. Worse yet, they were blown out by that team.
Now, the Bucs have been blown out by two teams that are almost assuredly going to end the season with double-digit losses in the Carolina Panthers and Jacksonville Jaguars. I can't see them winning another game this season, as they face the Dallas Cowboys, the Carolina Panthers in Carolina and the Atlanta Falcons in Atlanta.
All of this feels like the prelude to the end of the Raheem Morris era. The Bucs are playing worse in every consecutive game. They're being blown out by objectively terrible teams. And they're playing bad all across the team. The Bucs have lost seven straight games, and not in a competitive fashion. I have yet to meet the coach who can survive that.
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I found that funny, hopefully 2011 will be over soon because this was a bad year for Buccaneer football.
And then, 2011 struck.
Oderint dum metuant
I think Rah should criticize the poor coaching...
by himself and Olson. Talking crap and pointing the fingers everywhere EXCEPT where they should be pointed.
Physician heal thyself, and I have a finger for you Rah.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 11, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
I can understand 2 interceptions, that happens especially when you're down and forcing throws.
But 6 fumbles on a day with no precipitation? That’s just ridiculous. You can’t win a game like that.
Oderint dum metuant
It rained almost the whole game. No excuse, I know
Just saying, there was precipitation.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 11, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
At least he has owned up to it.
Yeah this collapse has many of people to blame but since he is the HC, he has a lot to do with this. The last 2 games sealed his fate and the funniest thing is I was his biggest supporter through this blog, it’s really hard to see a team who so called loved him and will go to back for him quit on him,
Do you think he says that to take the pressure off of his players, or do you think he sincerely means it?
Oderint dum metuant
I have no idea
It doesn’t really matter what he says in press conferences, really. That’s good for the media, to a lesser extent for the fans, but what really matters is what he says and does in the locker room.
If the offensive play calling was adequate we wouldn't be having this conversation...
Ollie drew up a long-pass on his five, pretty much giving up the sack and fumble by his words alone resulting in the defensive recovery and TD. Rah to me, yes has some flaws, but his end of the ship seems to decent while our offense is the reason we’re sinking.. just my opinion.
I got banned for using Pakistani in a post??? Shahid Kahn was born in PAKISTAN!! HE IS A PAKISTANI!!! FOREIGNER JUST LIKE SANDER!!!
For sure!!
I think we should of had a d cordinator and let rah b a head coach and take some off his shoulders
Both
He knows he is is gone but give him credit, he still loves his players that he won’t throw them under the bus. Biggest proof is when he cut Sabby but the long td to the Ravens, he wouldn’t say who but we know wo which is qwhy we cut him. He seems like a good guy but we just need a good coach. Nobody wins by winning the man of the yr award so bye Rah nice knowing you.
The Greenbay game was a good game now
Thats a 16-0 team waiting to happen and I thought we played admirably.
I got banned for using Pakistani in a post??? Shahid Kahn was born in PAKISTAN!! HE IS A PAKISTANI!!! FOREIGNER JUST LIKE SANDER!!!
He's been saying that for 3 years now.
So much for the Bucs lowering ticket prices, mine went up AGAIN!!!!
Lame
That game with the Jags was about the lamest display of defense, and with the exception of the first two touchdowns, the lamest attempt at offense I’ve ever seen since the 80’s. Raheem and staff needs to go pronto. I’m tired of hearing his lame-a$$ excuses about how "we need to execute better…blah, blah, blah. It’s one thing to get blown out by good teams, but the Jags were struggling too, until now. Morris, you are an embarrassment, and that says something here with the Bucs.
the glazers should never have hired him in the first place
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 11, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
It seems during every game I need to piss my pants because of the horrendous play.
I think I will invest in the company that makes depends. Just saying!!!
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Dec 11, 2011 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can't defend Morris anymore.
This is exactly the type of game that gets an entire coaching staff fired and not just the head coach. I have nothing more to say about the players as I believe that they should pay dearly as well. Wake me when the season ends, so that we can talk about a new coaching staff and a draft in which the Bucs will be picking in the top ten. This season has fallen way below expectations as the Bucs haven’t even been competitive. Wake me when the season ends.
by TB86 on Dec 11, 2011 7:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I've been a Raheem supporter the whole season
but now I’m just pissed. The Glay-holes need to hire a coach with some experience and a staff that knows what the hell they’re doing. I still support Dominik, however. He seems to have the eye for talent, they just need someone to coach them.
We want the ball, and we're gonna score!
Any chance we can force Raheem to resign, it's better if he goes out on his own than be fired.
Looks better on a resume. Also, take Olson with him
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
And bless us with an early christmas present?
That would be dandy.
I got banned for using Pakistani in a post??? Shahid Kahn was born in PAKISTAN!! HE IS A PAKISTANI!!! FOREIGNER JUST LIKE SANDER!!!
...and another change of playbook / language
But listen, Olsen should either hand over play calling or get out of dodge.
I got banned for using Pakistani in a post??? Shahid Kahn was born in PAKISTAN!! HE IS A PAKISTANI!!! FOREIGNER JUST LIKE SANDER!!!
by Titankillah on Dec 11, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I got a text from one of my sons a little while ago
he said: “I wish the bucs would trade freeman for tebow” I’m not sure if he was serious or just mad either way it made me laugh.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 11, 2011 8:48 PM EST reply actions
You have to give the dude credit, he knows how to win.
No one can explain it, but he gets it done. Free was similar last year, he always won the close ones.
Oderint dum metuant
Can't sustain winning on fourth quarter comebacks
You need to figure out how to play 60 minutes of offense, or the magic will stop.
Yup, look how that worked out for us.. Same will happen to Denver eventually.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 11, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I doubted the guy the first couple of weeks, but I just can't anymore.
I totally understand the arguments against him from a logical stand point, but the fact that he has won this many defies logic.
Oderint dum metuant
Nah, it will quit, I gaurentee it.
If he starts putting together solid drives consistently for entire games, then he will be ok. If they keep relying on rediculous 4th quarter comebacks, this will not last.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 11, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure he will lose at some point, but he is successful.
That’s what matters. All teams are expected to lose a few, but Tebow is successful over an entire season.
Oderint dum metuant
His defense has a lot to do with that
And a few fluky stupid plays by the opponents. Like Ponder throwing a dumb pick, what Marion Barber did today, the Dolphins going nickel on the goalline vs him etc
It's the wind- you see
"I'm a little dysfunctional
You're the problem, Please don't awakin me
And I'm that way cause back in the day
Most have forsaken me"
wow i remember saying that last year
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Dec 11, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Much rather have Tebow
Hes a really good QB. Look at his overall stats. Yeah he doesn’t look great by mainstream statistics, but dig down deeper and he’s solid. And he protects the football tremendously well. Sure he does it “differently” and a lot of value is tied up in his running. But the fact is he’s outperformed 70% of qbs at minimum. Have to wait and see if it’s sustainable.
It may be a fluke. Just like Freeman’s 2010 looks to be a fluke. But Tebow has a far longer track record of success.
Both should be avg to above avg long term. Tebow has a dramatically higher ceiling though
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by matthan on Dec 11, 2011 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Dig down deeper and he still is not a good quarterback
What Tebow does well is not turn over the ball and have a very good defense protecting him. That’s it.
Elite YPC, good YPA, and elite TO/touch
That makes someone really good. Running matters. And TOs are really really important, some reason people ignore that
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by matthan on Dec 11, 2011 9:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Turnovers important, but plenty of bad QBs don't turn the ball over
It’s much more important to consistently produce first downs and score.
Tebow works because he’s coupled with an elite defense. His team has scored more than 20 points just twice in the games he’s started. And both of those were against terrible defenses. That’s not going to win you many games without an elite defense.
Denvers D isn't elite. They are well below average in yards given up.
Their improvement is directly tied to Tebow. It helps your D when the opposition has to go 80 to score rather than well…what the Jags had to do today.
If Tebow was our QB our D would look much better as well.
But yeah the Denver D deserves a lot of credit. But Tebow has been fantastic. One of the best first 10ish starts in history for a young guy. It’s also hilarious people expect him to be a Super Bowl winning QB out dueling Rodgers after 10 starts.
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by matthan on Dec 11, 2011 9:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Denvers defense has given up fewer than 20 points in all but two games with Tebow as a starter
Those two games were a blowout loss to the Lions, and last week’s Vikings game where the Vikings somehow managed to forget how to play Tampa 2.
Yes, the Denver defense has absolutely been producing at an elite level.
Do you not understand the impact of turnovers on points allowed?
Offense and defense are certainly linked in football. The defense isn’t much better than the Orton games. The difference is turnovers.
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by matthan on Dec 11, 2011 10:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, the difference between Orton and Tebow is largely turnovers
Because Orton was horribly inefficient as a passer. That doesn’t mean the defense isn’t playing at a high level. It is.
When you say that Tebow is just a winner, aren't you saying exactly that he will win every game no matter what?
No one is expecting Tebow to be outduelling anyone. But if someone anoints a QB as a “winner” who just gets it done, and the reason for Denver’s wins then people are going to respond to that claim.
You and the bulk of the unsophisticated MSM have it backwards
Tim isn’t good because he’s winning. He’s winning cause he’s good. Elite YPC, elite TO/touch, good YPA will win a lot of games.
Given the lack of talent on the team they’ll probably be one and done. But them making the playoffs is a huge feat.
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by matthan on Dec 11, 2011 10:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Most people say "Tebow just wins" as if it's a magical feat
And they don’t delve deeper in analysis. That has nothing to do with my analysis, because I would never say that.
Also his YPA isn’t actually good, it’s pretty meh. But that’s beside the point. Looking at YPC + YPA is very misleading too, because he’s only thrown it 158 times on the season (+18 sacks). While he’s thrown it for a mediocre YPA, that ignores the fact that he turns a lot of his passes into runs. That analysis ignores game situation, and down and distance.
Tim Tebow is a well below-average passer when you look at efficiency, taking into account opponents and down and distance. Meanwhile, he has actually added less value as a runner than, say, Josh Freeman this season – same link.
Tim Tebow isn’t leading a productive offense. He’s leading an offense that goes nowhere until it faces a prevent defense at the end of a game, and he’s not turning the ball over. That’s what he’s doing.
Tebow's best skill is taking care of the ball
few turnovers, willing to scramble for yards if there’s nothing downfield, developing trust with the talent around him. All Tebow needs is a Percy Harvin type WR who can take a dump pass and turn it into an 80-yard TD at least once a week and you’ve got a winning formula.
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Hanging on to the ball is a good quality to have...
Playing free of turnovers is as important as any other QB quality. It is unconventional, but they are rolling along and we are stuck in the mud here.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 12, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
OH BOY TEBOW WINS AGAIN GO FIGURE!!
Who called him a winner? Me, that’s right, I did.
Sander and other dude who was arguing with me in the GDT, responses?
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see you fellers in the postseason
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Well yeah he's a winner, and a borderline top 10 QB already
Definitely got lucky this week.
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by matthan on Dec 11, 2011 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
There is no such thing as magical winning juice
You don’t win because you’re you. That doesn’t happen.
No, he wins because he doesn't turn the ball over
And because his defense holds opposing teams to about 10 points per game.
So you don't give credit for protecting the ball? That is ridiculous
That is where a good amount of value of every QB is tied up in. Whether it is sustainable remains to be seen but it is beyond dumb to say what you said. So you think Freeman has done well this year then? Since TOs don’t matter?
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by matthan on Dec 11, 2011 9:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And that team will most likely lose
The number of yards and points a high TO QB needs to produce to match a Tebow type production is really damn high. A few TOs in a game is a killer
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by matthan on Dec 11, 2011 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I give credit for protecting the ball
I’d give him a lot more credit if he managed to produce more offense.
Look, Tebow is perfect for a team with a dominant defense. But that doesn’t mean that he “just wins”. He wins because he protects the ball on a team that doesn’t need an offense to do a whole lot.
And what do you think I said? Because you seem to be taking offense, while I’m not sure what you’re taking offense to.
If Tebow "threw" better with his YPC and lack of TOs he'd be the best QB in the league or damn close to it
Running is part of the equation.
I’m not taking offense, I just find it weird that you ignore one of the major sources of value in a QB when determining whether he is good or not.
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by matthan on Dec 11, 2011 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sam Bradford has turned the ball over just 12 times this season, despite 328 attempts
Do you think he’s having a good season?
Blaine Gabbert
Seven picks. Two fumbles. 297 pass attempts. Not turning it over isn’t the sign of a great quarterback. Merely a careful one.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Blaine Gabbert protects the ball.
Is he a good QB?
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
More teams lose because they beat themselves than rather than losing just because they have less talent (see our season).
Tebow doesn’t beat himself, that makes him a successful QB, and he will continue to be a successful QB for that reason.
Oderint dum metuant
It's not an elite defense
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by matthan on Dec 11, 2011 10:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That defense has been shutting down opponents for two months now
Yes, it is. People are simply not scoring on that defense.
you put an extra 'o' in G-d.
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This was Freeman last yr
the comeback kid. We just need better coaching to make him a complete qb.
In the last 3 years we have been beaten 11 times by 17+ points.
And another 7 or so of by 10-13 points. And in the same span we have only won 5 games by 13+ points. So basically when we win, it is a close game. And when we lose, most times we are stomped. Even last year when we won 10 games we were dominant in only 2 of them.
Basically, I’m trying to say the Raheem project was a bust. I used to be a huge supporter of him. But the hope has worn off. Time for major changes.
by flash_kiley on Dec 11, 2011 9:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Good math
I didn’t think to add up all the games the past 3 yrs, but it seems like more than 11 games watching this team. Yep Rah sealed his fate, the past 2 games inexcusable.
I for one am not ready to jump of the freeman bandwagon.
He is and will be our QB. I think the lack of offseason and his pitiful coaches and questionable WR play hurt him this year… I really think that free has the ability and want too, to be great. I think he still will. He still needs a few more pieces and better coaching to achieve this….
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Dec 11, 2011 9:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Freeman will be fine
Everything he’s doing wrong is correctable, and a lot of those things he did not do last year.
Yup, freeman has plenty of upside.. Sander is correct
He has plenty of upside and correctable problems!!!
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Dec 11, 2011 9:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Freeman needs a playmaker badly
He has had to do it all by himself all year. Let’s go get Desean Jackson in the offseason. We would finally have a deep threat, and someone to take the double teams off of Williams. And he would give a big boost to the punt return game. If we could get Jackson, then draft LaMichael James, the speed on offense would be dramatically increased.
by flash_kiley on Dec 11, 2011 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds nice if we got Jackson
but we have enough playmakers, we just need a better OC to play to the player’s strenght
Greg Jennings is elite
And Jordy Nelson is very good, too. James Jones would be very good if he could consistently catch the ball.
All of those players have a lot of speed, too.
No, because he's better
He’s a better route-runner, he has more in-game speed than Mike Williams, and he has better hands than any Buccaneer.
Does it help that he has an elite QB and has a lot of chemistry? Absolutely. But neither Mike Williams or Arrelious Benn would be playing like Nelson if they had Rodgers.
That's why we need Desean Jackson, to take the double teams off him.
And keep the safeties honest.
by flash_kiley on Dec 11, 2011 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree about the baggage, but if we brought in the right head coach i think he could be fine
Most of his anger is due to the team he was producing for bringing in a bunch of free agents and signing them to huge contracts. And signing Vick to a gigantic contract after one big year, when he has been producing for going on three years. If we bring him in and pay him accordingly, I think he will be a good player and teammate.
by flash_kiley on Dec 11, 2011 11:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly. And they have Finley, who is an elite TE with above average speed
I agree that the OC isn’t getting our receivers the ball where they can be productive, but we also have probably the least amount of team speed on offense in the NFL. And while on that subject, the same can be said for our defense. I know this isnt proof, but on Madden this year the Bucs have the least amount of players with 90+ speed. We only have two (Rejus Benn has 90, and EJ Biggers has 92) That is sad…
by flash_kiley on Dec 11, 2011 10:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That doesn't make sense.
Parker and Stroughter have top tier speed as well.
They are quicker than fast
They have 92-94 agility and acceleration, but 86-88 speed. They seem faster because they are smaller and move quicker, but they don’t have top tier speed.
by flash_kiley on Dec 11, 2011 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's why i said above that it doesnt count as proof,
but it does say something.
by flash_kiley on Dec 11, 2011 11:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Too bad Olsen only calls bombs on his own 5th yard line.. resulting in fumble / td..
Had we had a deep ball Flash, during the early season, we would be in a different boat. I agree with you about speed, thatd be a nice advantage for us. And seeing as though Freeman is a runner by 2nd nature, the deep ball stretches the field and leaves the underneith. All he has to do is bomb it, pick up the underneith trash with his legs and boom, you got a system. Olsen’s system is QB sneak goaline and half-hearted PA screens (which is the new fad in the NFL).
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by Titankillah on Dec 11, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
From what I've seen of Freeman so far, he compares well when matched up to Dilfer or King or Simms
Freeman is a better downfield thrower than Dilfer, certainly a more accurate thrower than King, and more NFL-ready than Simms at this point in their respective careers. Freeman needs to regain his synch with Mike Williams, and maybe better O-line help to last in the pocket an extra two-three seconds. Getting a better third-down RB than Lumpkin – or getting the coaches to warm up to having Blount out there on third downs – will certainly help.
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Tim Tebow has NE next week
Lets see if he can go to a shoot out with Brady.
by IceyPirate on Dec 11, 2011 9:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Speechless on today's performance, but it's always a next wk
I don’t wanna watch the pregame show on NFL network before the game saying how bad the Bucs are, but since we are playing America’s team, it may not matter since they will talk about how the Cowboys can win a sb. Hell, if the Cowboys lose tonight, they might talk about the usual collapse happens in December. Either way, I think in a strange way we might come out in a nothing to lose attitude compare to everything to lose with the Cowboys. It’s wishful thinking but I just want a good effort since it will be on national television on Saturday night.
DAL is down to 1 RB now...
DeMarco Murray left the game injured. Felix Jones may be the man now… which doesn’t really help us. he is a good runner on some fresh legs.
by Cracker Ball on Dec 11, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wait. Felix Jones isn't hurt?
How did he manage that?
By having Demarco Murray take all the carries for the past games
I expect he’ll be hurt at the end of the game.
Right. He is only a true sophomore.
We will still probably go corner early. I’m hoping the Badger’s teammate, Mo Claiborne, can fall to us.
by flash_kiley on Dec 11, 2011 11:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Go defense
Honey badger hasnt really shown me anything and ill tell anybody that. Wow he makes nice plays in the return game but thats about it he is nowhere near the cant miss talent Eric Berry was. He is a sophmore as well so he isnt coming out. Tampa needs to address cornerback before any other position in my opinion.
Definitely.
Corner and outside linebacker are tied in my opinion. But I could live with the linebackers we have now before I could settle with the secondary after Ronde retires and Aqib possibly serves time.
by flash_kiley on Dec 11, 2011 11:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah true
both of those positions are of need but corner is extremely thin with the fact that ronde may retire after this dibacle season, Talib’s legal issues, the Myron Lewis experiment, Biggers not being starter material and Elbert Mack….that deserved no explanantion enough said by saying his name
First Round we need Cornerback help above all
Our defense may have a woeful rush defense, but the passing defense and lack of turnovers/coverage sacks is what’s really hurting. The Bucs had weak run defenses before but compensated with having a brutal pass defense…
We’re also facing the fact that Ronde’s in his last contract year and it makes no sense to re-sign someone his age. We’ve got the possibility of Talib being out due to his gun-shooting trial. Either way, huge gap in CB roster especially as Myron Lewis hasn’t lived up to his Third Round potential and both Biggers and Mack are too inconsistent to be full-time starters.
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Agreed
But if somehow Claiborne and Kirkpatrick are gone when we pick, we should go after either Zach Brown or one of the MLB prospects (Kuechly, Te’o, or Burfict)
by flash_kiley on Dec 11, 2011 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seeing that we will be in the top 10
Claiborne or Kirkpatrick should be there…Claiborne has the best chance of not being there though becuase he is the best prospect but we should be able to grab one of them. Talib and claiborne would make a great "press’ corner tandem. 2rd should be used on either LaMichael James or a LB but im leaing more towards James given the fact he will not last long if we bypass. 3rd and 4th should be LB and speed reciever
I agree, i was thinking worst case scenario.
I like your ideas, but I think James will fall to the third because of his size and injuries. (Think about Quiz Rodgers last year) In the second I’m hoping one if the linebackers (there are 5 with first round grades) falls into the second and we can snag him. After getting James in the third, we probably get our second linebacker or corner in the fourth. I’m betting on someone like Mike Harris, which would be a steal.
by flash_kiley on Dec 12, 2011 12:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
*correction, we don't have a fourth
by flash_kiley on Dec 12, 2011 12:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah he does come with issues
But every draft someone reaches and takes someone well before anyone would expect sometimes that works out really well. His speed, elusiveness and home run threat are already making teams drool. Rodgers is not nearly the prospect James is coming out this year. Im confident we could find a fast speed reciever in the later rounds, no need to utilize a high given the fact Benn and williams are the penciled in starters. We need someone who is a “steal” who can perform in the slot and maybe even surprise and push for a starting role. I believe LB could be addressed in the 3rd since this is a deep draft for LB’s. I can live with Mason and Geno but Im pretty sure we can find someone in the 3rd round to push and eventually unseat Black.
LB in the third
Watch for Nigel Bradham of FSU or Danny Trevathan out of Kentucky. Bradham could play Sam or Mike backer. Good build at 6’3" 240, and hits like a truck. Good lateral movement, but has been known to take the wrong angles in the past. That seemed to be corrected the second half of this year, but needs more consistency. Trevathan was the defense for Kentucky. Lead the team in tackles, and also had a couple sacks and interceptions. Doesn’t hit as hard as Bradham, but is a better athlete.
by flash_kiley on Dec 12, 2011 2:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pretty good breakdown
But I believe we could find really good LB value around the 3rd round easily. People put too much stock into how early someone is drafted when truly the best players and gems come out in the later rounds, there are very few exceptions to that rule.
*Sigh* I guess enough is enough sadly
Ive been a avid Raheem Moriis supporter but todaysa game was inexplicable. I mean to allow Gabbert to have that kind of a game against a defense that has holes but negvertheless is loaded is talent when playing up to standards which they weren’t today. Im not saying fire him immediately let him finish the season first its only 3 games left, wai till the offseason and make a move whether let him go or make hyim relieve some of his duties. We all are clamoring for a new coach but what if we bring in a big name person and yu recieve the same outcome in back to back years?? Im just saying a little patience is key. Yu think Fisher wouldve last that long in Tennessee without patience from everyone in their fanbase and organization?
Enough on Raheem, his fate should be sealed already.
What is up with Freeman? He has looked terrible all year. No accuracy, not leading the recievers so they can run after the catch. Maybe the bucs also need to get some competition for him as well.
"What did you think of their execution?" I am all for it!
Famous John McKay quote, which is more than appropriate in 2011. I know that everyone thinks this is Morris’s last year – I will beleive it when I see it. With both Gruden’s monster salary and Morri’s tiny salary on the book for 2012, does anyone really think the tight fisted Glazer’s (due to financial problems) are going to spring for a third coach on the payroll? Me neither. One more year of pain before it gets better (or a resurgance due to another last place schedule…)
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