Albert Haynesworth awarded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by Sander on Nov 9, 2011 7:58 PM EST
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PrintIt's official: the Bucs have added Albert Haynesworth to their roster, well over two years after trying to land him in free agency but losing him to the Washington Redskins. To clear up a roster spot for him the Bucs released DT John McCargo, who they signed just yesterday. Tough business.
There are some positives and negatives to this move, and I'd like to go over them. First, I'll handle the positives.
Obviously Albert Haynesworth has a ridiculous amount of talent, and when he's motivated and playing hard he can still get after it and destroy opposing offensive linemen. There's a reason why the big man was named an all-pro in 2007 and 2008: he was a disruptive force in a scheme that let him disrupt and get after the quarterback. And that's exactly what the Bucs will ask him to do: beat the opposing linemen and get in the backfield. That's something he can still do - if he wants to.
And there lies the rub, and the negative side to this move. Albert Haynesworth hasn't failed the past two years because he couldn't play anymore. He failed because he was trouble and wasn't consistently playing well. There's a clip swimming around of Haynesworth being pancaked mid-play, and just not making any effort to get up. That describes the big defensive tackle. He only plays when he wants to, and he has caused trouble for every team he's been with. From stomping on players' heads to failing conditioning tests to getting in fights with coaches - he's done it all.
That's the problem the Bucs will have to deal with: can the locker room handle Albert Haynesworth's presence, and can the coaches get him to be productive and not a destructive force?
I would like to get rid of one myth here, first: Albert Haynesworth didn't fail because he was asked to do something he didn't like to do. The Patriots brought him in specifically to play 3-technique in 4-3 sets - something the Bucs will want him to do to. Despite that, he was cut. Not because he wasn't playing well necessarily, but because he got into a fight with his position coach. According to Boston.com he gave no effort in his last game against the New York Giants. Yep, trouble.
Of course, the risk for the Bucs is minimal, which is why I do like this move. If he doesn't pan out or if he's a bad locker-room presence the Bucs can just cut him, and be done with it. They don't need to pay attention to their cap situation either this year or next year, so Albert Haynesworth's relatively cheap contract won't be a problem for them either.
Keith Millard and Grady Stretz have their work cut out for them. Haynesworth has as much talent as any defensive tackle in the league - but can they get him to play up to that level consistently? In the end I think the Bucs have added a decent situational pass rusher, but not much more than that.
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Oh dear god no
I will wait for the game day thread to express my opinion because the allowed vocabulary in the non game threads is insufficient to express myself.
Yugly.
Agreed... he has nothing but upside for us
as his salary is amazingly low. Risk is minimal – upside is potentially amazing.
Fine with picking him up.
But the first sign of trouble, release him.
Wow...can't F***ing believe this!
thought Dominik had more class than this…guess not.
Why would you think this?
He didn’t release Talib or Jackson during their struggles. Haynesworth isn’t nearly as bad as them (in my opinion). He also has a ton of upside. I think he deserves a chance. Low risk high reward etc.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Jackson plays hard and well when on the field.
Fat Albert doesn’t, at least not with any consistency. I’ll take the pothead any day…
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
I'm not sure what games you've been watching
but aside from Jackson’s two great interceptions he has been horrendous in his open field tackling.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Not to mention the fact that Haynesworth is villified by the media far worse than a player like Jackson
The bigger they are the harder they fall. Jackson made a conscious decision to do drugs even after he had already been caught doing them before. Haynesworth has made some dumb decisions, but at least he isn’t dumb enough to throw away his career and screw over his teammates so he can get high.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
I don't agree.
To say Haynesworth has made better decisions than Tanard is a hollow statement. When Albert decided to stomp on Andre Gurode’s head and got suspended, he also screwed over his teammates. Albert pissed away a large incentive based chunk of his $100 million deal because he gave up on himself and his team. Substance abuse is a hard thing to overcome, but being willfully lazy just to spite your coaches’ scheme is not a trait of a honorable person/player/role model. Tanard should at least be given credit for conquering his demons, and coming back to the team in good shape and with a willingness to succeed and not just make some money.
Oderint dum metuant
You are kidding right?
He stomped his head in the middle of a game. He was punished by being suspended for four games, as he should have been. Even then, the penalty was for something on the field. He was also suspended four games by Washington for conduct detrimental to the team. Spiting coaches is dumb for sure, but Jackson smoked up when he knew he had a drug test because he had already violated the policy before. And please try to spare me the marijuana substance abuse argument. I have plenty of friends that quit smoking weed for far less paying jobs than Jackson has. Tanard had supposedly turned over a new leaf the last time he was caught too. He is far from a saint, so please don’t make him out to be one.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
I'm definitely not giving Tanard a free pass.
Though, he was able to stay clean for the entire year while he was suspended. Think about it, he’s an out of work football player with a history of marijuana use that has nothing to do but hang out with his friends. I would think that he battled temptation everyday. So if he was dedicated enough to stay clean while he was gone, then I have no problem with welcoming him back to the team regardless of his current tackling issues. Normally once someone has given up whatever their vice may be for over a year, then they are much less likely to fall off the wagon again. Albert on the other hand, is a different issue. Sure he is a great talent as is Tanard, but he has more than just one problem. He lacks work ethic, he has never been a good teammate, and how can you forgive someone who straight up didn’t try and gave up because he didn’t like his situation. He is late enough into his career that if he hasn’t fixed those mental issues already, then Rah and his team definitely aren’t going to be able to get him to change either. This Albert thing is only lasting until GMC gets healthy again. I doubt he can do much damage to our team psyche over an 8 week stretch or hopefully longer, and I don’t see Dom retaining him past this year.
Oderint dum metuant
Bob Saget has an opinion on this matter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWQM6sOsd5k
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
That is an outrageous statement
Groping a woman is a thousand times worse than smoking a little pot. Tanard’s an idiot, Haynesworth is a sexual assaulter.
Yugly.
I haven't noticed Jackson's tackling being any poorer than anyone else's.
Also, are you saying he’s always been horrendous or just the tiny sample size that is his latest stint? I’ve never heard anyone criticize his effort on the field.
And as for the point about who the media villifies more, I couldn’t care less what the media thinks, but I agree with them. Is Tanard an idiot for smoking weed when he knew he’d be tested? Yes, of course. But that doesn’t make him a bad person. Haynesworth, on the other hand, has displayed a greedy, slothful, petulant character. I hope he ceases to do so, but I feel better about Tanard being on our roster than I do about Albert.
Just my opinion though….
Anyway, as others have said, it’s not like we’re taking much of a risk with the big guy, so I’m not against the move by any means…
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Please remove Jackson from this sentence and replace it with entire defense
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Exactly,
I don’t know how Jackson gets singled out for that performance…
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
I am not singling him out for that one performance.
His tackling has been pretty horrid since he came back. Obviously a little rust is expected, but he is barely getting his hands on guys running right past him on several big plays over the last few weeks. It hasn’t been pretty thus far, and I think his overall play has been pretty average since his return. Hopefully he can get back in 2009 form.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Your opinion on Haynesworth is based solely on how the media portrays him, as is the rest of America's.
If Jackson were a former defensive MVP he would be villified on a massive scale too. I’m just saying the guy is a football player. The media can try to make him out to be a big bad boogie man, but when he is on the field he is usually effective, which is all I care about.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
He also has a tendency to be lazy and disinterested
Go check out Pats’ beat writer Greg Bedard’s twitter account for some comments.
I'm not saying he isn't lazy. He definitely is.
He got his pay day and he checked out. Happens all the time. I just hope that the fact he is still trying to play means there is some desire in there to be successful again. He is only a couple of years removed from defensive MVP. IF he re-dedicates himself he can have a good run. I doubt it will happen, but it’s worth a shot.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Leecaz,
Please don’t put words in my mouth or opinions in my head. My opinion of Haynesworth is based PARTLY on how the media portrays him because I don’t personally know know him and I’m not a member of his teams. Where are you getting your inside information? Are you his proctologist? Are you in his book club or something?
The other part of my impression of him is based on his interviews (the things HE says, not what others say), his play on the field (though admittedly I haven’t actively sought out his games) and his startling drop-off of his stats since he got paid in 2009.
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
His first year in Washington he was actually very good when he was on the field
I recall a piece on Hogs Haven that really broke down Haynesworth’s production on the field. The reality was far different than the media’s take and what was being reported. He was actually their most valuable defender. Unfortunately I can’t find the link. I think SB Nation scrubbed a lot of stuff over a year old from their archives or something.
Either way, it made me realize that what is being reported and what is really happening on the field isn’t always equal. Haynesworth had plenty of plays where he did his job perfectly but all that was shown on tv etc was the gif featured below. I realize it’s an unpopular stance, and this was still years ago. He may be out of shape, and out of gas, but I just think he deserves a shot in pewter before people start piling up loads of crap on him. He has been on both sides of the spectrum. If we can get a cheap DT that is somewhere in the middle we got ourselves a helluva deal.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Yeah. He didn't live up to his contract for sure, but who could live up to that contract.
He disappointed for sure, but he was the best player on a bad defense in 2009. I can’t find that piece anywhere. I posted a link to it here before but everything older than a year seems to have been washed. Oh well.
The fact that we offered him $120M two years ago and now we have him for peanuts is pretty amazing though. As BW said below, no one else even put a claim in for him, so if that doesn’t make him realize this is his last chance than nothing will.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
For the record,
I’m not saying I’m against the signing. If he can improve our DT position then it’s a good signing. I don’t see how he can be a cancer if given the short leash that Dom referred to in a separate piece.
The only thing that got me into this thread was you saying that Haynesworth isn’t nearly as bad as T-Jack. I base my disagreement on on-field effort and the ability to filter one’s thoughts and feelings when a microphone is present.
I agree about your above statement about how getting him for far less than we offered him two years ago is an amazing (good) thing. It’s insane value if he still has it in him…
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
regarding Haynesworth's Defensive MVP year,
Isn’t Brett Favre also a couple years from a spectacular year?
by Green Bull on Nov 11, 2011 3:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Doesn’t Haynesworth have only 3 tackles this year?
His tackling can’t be much better than Jackson’s.
by Green Bull on Nov 11, 2011 3:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Groping a woman is worse than Tanard smoking pot
Talib you have an argument for if he is guilty of the shooting, but groping a woman is way worse than punching a cabby.
Frankly, violence against women or children, and that includes his groping, ought to be met with an immediate ban from the NFL. You don’t treat women like that – EVER.
Yugly.
Don't be silly. This is from the NY Daily News
A police report obtained by NBC Washington states that when the waitress – carrying glasses after clearing tables – approached Haynesworth when he wanted to pay his bill, the lineman asked her if it was alright to put his credit card in her blouse “near her breast area.” The victim nodded and Haynesworth allegedly slid his credit card in between the waitress’s breasts and then touched her breasts.
I don’t care if he did that, because he didn’t get arrested or even suspended for it. Sounds like he forgot he wasn’t at a strip club. I have no doubt that Haynesworth is a an a-hole with an inflated ego, but all I care about is stuff that takes them off the field. They aren’t babysitting my kids, they’re playing professional football. Jackson’s decisions have cost him 20+ games in the past three seasons. It’s not really an argument in my opinion.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Didn't get arrested? What are you talking about?
He had to plead no contest to assault charges in the plea deal. If it had gone to trial he would have been a lifelong sex offender.
Not really an argument? That is insane. This guy is a lowlife who committed sexual assault. He should be booted from the NFL and I’m disgusted he’s a Buc. Completely disgusted.
I don’t even give a crap if the move “works” on the field. This guy should not be in the league. Period.
Yugly.
He pleaded no contest and got community service. It wasn't sexual assault either. The plea deal was for simple assault.
Jokingly sliding a credit through a cocktail waitresses cleavage is hardly akin to rape. Get real.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
The plea deal was to AVOID the sex assault charges
which is what he was originally charged with.
He grabbed her breasts. THAT IS SEXUAL ASSAULT. Sexual assault is a lot more than just rape, and I can’t believe you are trivializing this.
Yugly.
Sounds like the government trivialized it too.
by just giving him community service. Take a step down from the soap box. He didn’t even get suspended. It’s over. Has nothing to do with the Bucs. His character is flawed obviously. I think we all realize that coming in. I’m just saying there are other flawed people already on the roster that have cost their team’s a lot more than Haynesworth.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
The hell I will take a step back
He committed sexual assault. The only reason he got to plead it down to simple assault is because he has enough money to buy a top flight lawyer.
This has EVERYTHING to do with the Bucs. This reflects extremely poorly on the organization. It is, frankly, a disgusting signing. THIS ISN’T ABOUT WHAT IT COST THE TEAM. THIS IS ABOUT SEXUALLY ASSAULTING A WOMAN. I will not ‘get over it’. I will not cheer this man. I am revolted that the Bucs signed him. He is a piece of crap.
You’ve obviously never dealt with the repercussions of sexual assault. Never been close to someone who has been sexually asaulted. And you trivialize it. Absolutely revolting.
Yugly.
how do u feel about....
Ray Lewis, big Ben, leanard little, Dante stallworth… Even Brett favre for the picture? I’m sure there are more people that play in the NFL that have been accused of some pretty bad things that still played or play after things came out….
After thought… or Jo PA for not reporting what he heard to authorities
by mooreCOWBELL on Nov 10, 2011 12:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This conversation is done. Anyone answers this, they'll be in the box for awhile.
Sander said cut it out, that means cut it out.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
my bad
My bad wasn’t trying to escalate it or anything
by mooreCOWBELL on Nov 10, 2011 4:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
oh dear god...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the worst move
I think Dominik will ever make.
Paul Johnson: not giving a crap about what you have to say since 1987.
I think the LAST MOVE Dominik will ever make...
fixed it for you.
cause i think the cards are on the table now fellas.
oh enough with the fire Rah, fire Dominik junk
In order to let their strategy of “building through the draft” we all like so much work, we need to give them time to develop the players. Give them two more seasons, then if we’re not winning the division we’ll talk
Paul Johnson: not giving a crap about what you have to say since 1987.
Wowww....
this is one of those moves. One that, while on the surface could pay big rewards…is fraught with peril. Guys like Haynesworth, TO, Moss and a handful of others in this league, have the potential to absolutely destroy a team’s chemistry and cohesiveness. It won’t take long before you’ll have players going against players, players against coaches, and players questioning management over a move of this magnitude. Good Luck…to us all!
"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America...Molly Ivins"
Has Moss ever actually destroyed a team's chemistry?
I thought he just complained about random stuff until it was his time to go.
Touche'
"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America...Molly Ivins"
Word
"Well, if you guessin' it's me, you guessed correctly
I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
You be on that minor league, but we smoke professionally"
To be fair...
…they are the Vikings.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
True!
But, his antics can’t help but make an impression on the younger players in the locker room, thereby, creating future Moss’s…and TO’s…and Haynesworth’s….and….
"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America...Molly Ivins"
I highly doubt Haynesworth is going to come in and just immediately have his own little fan club in the locker room.
All this talk about dividing the team etc is ridiculous. If anything, he will bring the team closer together because they will unite against the new presence in their locker room if he starts acting up.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Perhaps...
at first!
"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America...Molly Ivins"
by CattleDriver on Nov 9, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
....but then...
Armageddon!!!
"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America...Molly Ivins"
by CattleDriver on Nov 9, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Best. Movie. Ever.
Ben Affleck and his capped teeth can marry my daughter any day.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Agreed...
…and Bruce Willis’s character was pretty awesome too!! :)
"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America...Molly Ivins"
by CattleDriver on Nov 9, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
That was arguably the worst film ever made.
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Not possible.
Any movie with Steve Buschemi gets a free pass.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
The fact that it sucks so incredibly hard
despite Steve Buschemi’s presence is just another indicator of how much it sucks….
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Steve Buschemi needs to see a freaking dentist...
All that money that he makes and he cant get his teeth fixed? Come on Man!!!!
East Coast Fan
Hmmmm.
Might be a good fit. Keith Millard could get the best out of him, and he does want to play a 4-3. Teaming him with Price could help the interior run D. Plus his NFL experience paired with Millards could reall help the young guys developement………..all this is only good as long as he doesn’t become a distraction……XmyfingersX.
We have literally nothing to lose here...
don’t get the negativity (Ha – that sounds funny coming from me)
The only real risk is he could be a bad influence in the locker room
But I think that kind of thing gets overblown too quickly, and the Bucs should be strong enough to handle that. And if he is a problem, they can just cut him.
I haven't heard ANY players say anything...
about Haynesworth, only Shanahan. They were both d*cks in that situation.
Oh I'm not being negative.
I just don’t want to be overly optimistic. I’m right in the middle. I don’t feel like we have anything to lose either….because wellll….we don’t. haha. Plus, it should grab a little bit of publicity which is good. IMO.
Yeah, I would imagine we will see him on the field for a few snaps.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Nov 9, 2011 10:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the other key here is that no one is expecting him to come in and be a leader.
He’s a role player.
It’s sort of like the move Peppers needed in getting out of Carolina.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Nov 10, 2011 4:49 AM EST up reply actions
Any news regarding his uniform number?
We don’t have a 95 – and I literally have a blank throwback jersey in my car right now.
If he hangs out with Talib or Tanard, we're in trouble...
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
(Any resemblance to any people living or dead is purely coincidental)
Albert: “Hey Talib, it’s nice meeting you. I heard about that whole gun incident, and if it was me (leans and whispers) I would’ve shot the [young lady].”
Talib: (smile slowly creeps over face) “Hey, what you doing tonight? Me and Tanard were going to go smoke some spice. You wanna come?”
Kellen Winslow walks over: “AWWWJEKAHEIAGAHKJKLIMVNCMJKEJ!!!!!!!!!!”
Talib: “Kellen just said ‘welcome to the team.’ Kellen, you can come too, but only if you promise not to pop anymore wheelies.”
Kellen: (pushes Preston Parker into a locker and sulks off.)
Tanard: “Hey, I was just thinking, if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees it, does it really fall???” (stares out into space)
Talib: “Damn it Tanard, did you start without me!?”
Tanard: “Who the f**k is Tanard?… And why are you moving so fast?…. I’m hungry.”
Greg Olsen: “Hey Albert, my man! Listen, I was drawing up some plays with my crayons and I think we need to utilize your speed in the slot a lot more. I’ve been trying the end around with Regis and it just isn’t working. I think with your explosive burst around the edge, we can make some big things happen…… Has anyone seen my hair gel? I can feel my hair moving in the wind.”
Albert: (tears of joy) “I’m finally home.”
by GradSchoolNole on Nov 9, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
For the record, I'm actually in favor of the move.
by GradSchoolNole on Nov 9, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hey hey haynesworth
and it sounds like Rhone Barber would be Bill Cosby here, correct?
It sure would be something if he gets in with the gang.
Buc’s can have that Junkyard Band going, cannons firing off, defense being down
serious again. We’ll see on it SUNDAY! GO BUC’s!!
Beware!!
by Creamsicle Power on Nov 9, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully he gets the start this week.
Normally I say bring a guy along slowly, but hell just throw him in there like we did Tanard. Not much to lose at this time. The
He can clog up the middle with the base of them...
and his only mission is to sack and tackle. No, playbook needed.
Your really throwing me off with this one!
Happy for once. Strange to me
Its actually pretty cool. I'm getting all emotional...
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Nov 9, 2011 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why not throw him out there
Can we look any worse than this past Sunday against the Saints. A half motivativated Haynesworth is better than Miller and I would line him up next to Price, it can be an advantage against most teams as far as pass rush.
by Brian Ahmed on Nov 10, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Beggers can't be choosers
We ask griped about the lack of free agency action and here you have so stop with the negativity. This deal positives truly outweigh the bad. We part the defense he thrives in whole patriots and redskins didn’t. Yes he NE did play 4-3 but that entire organization was learning for the first time and didn’t completely understand the nuances of the defense, hence while their defense its horrible at best. He its coming to a good situation.
by BucFan727 on Nov 9, 2011 8:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
not sure
not sure where i stand on this one. agree w/ BucFan727 ,but when i first saw it on NFL network i said what the f*** , but the more i thought about it. Okam is still out? Was hopin to see Bowers get some more playin time, regardless where he lines up on the DL. I guess we’ll find out sunday.
Hey guys!
I’m coming over from the Battle Red Blog to have a some “civil” discussion about our upcoming game against your Bucs.
On the Fat Albert issue: the guy is talented (when he’s in shape), there’s no doubt about that. It just depends on his attitude coming in. I think Raheem Morris is perfectly capable of getting this guy on track again and I think the whole being a distraction in the locker thing is mostly overblown. I generally scoff at the idea that one person can cause that much of an issue, without their already being some tension there.
The Bucs, being such a young team, are in a perfect position to take risks like this. Let’s just hope he doesn’t make a resurgence until after the Texans game.
Elaine Benes thinks Arian Foster is sponge-worthy.
It may, indeed...
turn out to be a shrewd move on the Buc’s part! But it is risky! True! In the past, Haynesworth has caused the Texan’s fits! But that was when he was in shape and playing for a new contract. I hope that he does get to play Sunday, because the Texans offensive line had no problems moving the Brown’s twin 330 lb defensive tackles around last Sunday.
"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America...Molly Ivins"
by CattleDriver on Nov 9, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I knew this move was coming. Im behind the move for the minimal money it will cost us.
The locker room shouldnt be split or fragmented over this.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
The idea that Haynesworth will come in and have acolytes lining up is beyond dumb to me.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
Could this move predicate jeff fisher being brought in next year?
That’s who got Haynesworth to play his best, think about it.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Nov 9, 2011 10:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would have no problem with jeff fisher coming here..
That would be a good move, yes sirree….
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Nov 9, 2011 10:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely a brilliant move
He would instantly be the best head coach in the NFC South.
Let him come in and let’s play some ball. He will have Freeman looking like “Air McNair”.
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Nov 9, 2011 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's amazing when we lose a couple of games
You guys are giving up on Rah. Last yr we all loved the guy. Fisher’s teams were always undisciplined and they were veteran teams, I fdon’t think he would be a good fit here.
No he still wouldn't be the best coach
Sean Payton is still with the Saints and he won a sb which Fisher still hasn’t done during his 15 yrs in Tenessee
Zero chance this happens.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
You dont sign a player with the thoughts being on a new coach.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Effort grade: F
There’s a clip swimming around of Haynesworth being pancaked mid-play, and just not making any effort to get up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFzp3uHua40
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
If i hadn't saw this already, it still wouldn't be funny
"Well, if you guessin' it's me, you guessed correctly
I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
You be on that minor league, but we smoke professionally"
I am perplexed at the true intent of that statement as well.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
From a purely value standpoint this is insanely awesome.
We we’re gonna pay this dude $100 million two years ago…
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
We should pay him in "McDoubles" instead of $
by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Nov 9, 2011 10:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That seems counterproductive.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
Tampa will be a good place for him
Keith Millard and Raheem Morris will befriend Albert, and he will play his heart out for Tampa.
Let's hope....
"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America...Molly Ivins"
by CattleDriver on Nov 9, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, where you been since Rush Hour 2?
Just kidding. But I hope you are right. Not sure if Haynesworth’s heart is still in it these days, but I think if his career is salvageable that he has a better chance here of doing it than anywhere else.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
I know that I'm from the enemy camp, and in the minority here, but...
I firmly believe that players of this ilk, shouldn’t be rewarded. Every time a team does, it hurts us all! In fact, we may be contributing to this “bad boy” behavior, by glamorizing them and giving them 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances. Truth is, guys like these could, in theory, help a lot of teams…but at what cost? Climbing down from my soapbox now…
"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America...Molly Ivins"
by CattleDriver on Nov 9, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
$705,000 when we have lots of cap room.
"Well, if you guessin' it's me, you guessed correctly
I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
You be on that minor league, but we smoke professionally"
This is a great move
If he winds up playing good and liking it here then he can be a monster if not then cut him. I dont think hell have any problems here
by Carlitin1988 on Nov 9, 2011 11:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i think this will be the move that catapults this team upwards.
i am so feeling this move. This is that jolt that the team needed. In my Eliot Ness from the untouchables voice….. Lets do some good!!!
Redskins and Patriots fans
Also thought he would make their teams dominant-if not Super Bowl winners.
by Green Bull on Nov 11, 2011 4:28 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Am I the only that feels pity for John Mccargo? Guy can't get a break (Irony not intended)
"Well, if you guessin' it's me, you guessed correctly
I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
You be on that minor league, but we smoke professionally"
Not really
Pretty sure he got his guaranteed money for maybe 1 day of practice and he’s a former 1st round pick, so he definitely got “paid” already.
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by stanleygoober on Nov 10, 2011 2:11 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It takes a lot of suck to play your way off a team after being drafted in first round.
I don’t really feel for him at all. I feel for the Bills for drafting him.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
The Bills reached for him.
He was projected as a late second, early third. The Bills deserve no pity. If anything they put too much pressure on hin, and he couldn’t handle it.
Oderint dum metuant
Wow I actualy am kind of surprised....
At the same time I am wondering which one we will get fat an slow or motivated an fat i hope motivated fat albert cause we need someone to step it up in there an please save our season caseu at this rate we are gong no where fast
by Benjamin Patterson on Nov 10, 2011 2:38 AM EST reply actions
Dangle a cheeseburger on a string in front of Matt Schaub
That oughtta do it.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
by RookTakesYou on Nov 10, 2011 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
I say we just tell him that Schaub's got bacon lining his helmet...
Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?
Here's what we have to realize.
The Bucs have wanted this guy for 2 years. We get him for $800k min, or roughly $1.2MM for this year so the cost isnt gonna kill us.
We have zero pressure from the middle of our line right now. He’s an upgrade over almost everyone on the roster right now from a talent standpoint and even if he lays down in the middle of the field, he’s still an upgrade.
He will play a pure 4-3 defense here so that should resolve his “wrong system” complaints.
If he is ever going to be motivated, it’s now after being cut by a team that makes turds into stars. He has no guarantees left nad knows that he may not get a contract.
If he’s a bust, if he quits, if he’s a jerk, we cut him and pay him virtually nothing. The risk here is that he divides the locker room, but I don’t see that as being a possibility.
If I’m Dom, I re-work his deal to guarantee his base salary and the lower level incentives (think about $1.5-$1.8MM for the rest of the year). He now has some money. I also re-work the second year of his deal to bring it from $6.7MM down to the $2-3MM range with incentives. Make it known that he has to play, play well, stay on the field, and produce to get paid. If he’s a bust, we owe him no more than $2MM, if he plays well, we have him at bargain prices where he is still playing for a contract.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Everyone take a large CHILL PILL
Okay, what is done is done. Let’s move on to some basics. Albert has been at two teams that DO NOT play his best defensive positions. He has been made to change his game and I’m not sure that will work with a young guy trying to make a team, it usually is a disaster with a veterern, especially one who has been a dominate force.
That being said, he had the choice in 2009. Things have gone really South for him, perhaps it is his attitude, perhaps the front offices had some part in that.
Coming to Tampa WILL fit his game…weather he can get the old mojo back well we shall see, Living in Titan land I know he can absolutely play football. (in the correct scheme)
WE have nothing to lose by making the effort. Without McCoy and with Okam being hurt we have NO ONE capable of filling this position. Yes we can slide so and so here and move this guy over there….but that doesnot work very well as we saw at NO.
Let’s get on board and give the guy a chance. I have this sneaky feeling he just might come in here and ANCHOR the middle and allow the young guns to do THEIR jobs without worrying about the middle. That may just allow them to start being more aggressive and make some big plays.
What’s the worst that can happen. He bombs and we send him packing just like NE did.
I for one am excited to see what impact he can have not just on his position but allowing others to concentrate on what we need them to do.
If I’m wrong well so what. Sometimes you just have to take a chance and roll the dice. NOt like we gave up 2 firsts and 2 seconds in future drafts. Dang this is a “cheap” experiment.
Welcome Big Al……..GO BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See you in Nashville!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any word on why Geno hayes was benched?
I asked him on twitter but he gave me a general answer and said “he’s good.”
Good luck with Fat Albert....
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
Pancake?
Easiest pancake of that players career.
78 looks down and ask " Really"?
The Texan Floater, you wanna flush it but you can't.
"Wade aid has lean in it, just saying"
Whitest Front Seven in Football.
by WreckNTexan on Nov 10, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Reply fail
"Well, if you guessin' it's me, you guessed correctly
I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
You be on that minor league, but we smoke professionally"
Seriously, I'm tired of this gif
"Well, if you guessin' it's me, you guessed correctly
I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
You be on that minor league, but we smoke professionally"
A repeat of this.
He will be cut for sure. The video is hilarious though lol.
It's been reported that no other team put a claim in on Haynesworth.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Other teams would know if we did...
and if their record is better than ours – what’s the point of putting in a waiver claim?
I am actually excited about his coming to Tampa, and my blank throwback jersey is having his name and number added as we speak. I have not heard of his disputes with Shanahan or Pepper Johnson really affecting his team mates in any way. Just Albert being Albert.
He knows his own strengths and playing in a 3-4 is not what he wants. Should be fine here.
by Cracker Ball on Nov 10, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
All this emotion. Jeez.
I really like the part in the MD quotes where he talks about how fired up Albert is join the team. He even wondered “…how soon we could get him a plane ticket.” The guys douche without a doubt. But he could still be good for us. The cost is low. We’ll see.
I dont have any respect for the guy, but how many football players do you respect?
Football players aren’t role models, they aren’t heroes, they are football players. They are guys who have a specific talent to play a game that rest of us wish we could, and make millions of dollars doing it.
I could actually care less who we bring in as long as they help us win!!!
If they cant then get rid of them. They can then get regular jobs like the rest of us low paid americans…
Thats my take!!!!!!!!
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