Observations of the Bucs/Saints 11/6/11 Disaster
by witty on Nov 6, 2011 5:49 PM EST
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1) On the one hand, I'm perfectly content at this moment with having Josh Freeman as our franchise QB. On the other hand, I know it's too late for the Bucs to go charging into the "Suck For Luck" campaign (although a high draft pick of some kind is a growing possibility for next April). Let's just give it to Indy and be done with it.
Besides, Freeman's not the problem our team is having regarding the offense. The problem seems to be matching personnel to the plays... and being a bit more creative and bold with plays in the First Half when the Bucs are more often than not failing to maintain drives and score TDs for early leads.
That I blame the coaches, both the Offensive Coordinator Olson and Head Coach Morris. It's their job to motivate and plan. And whatever they're doing for the First Half of games, it's not working...
2) I think there's been two games out of eight so far where the Bucs went into Halftime with a lead: our previous matchup vs. the Saints and the Colts game. (remind me if I'm wrong please) It's a sign of an offense that's failing to get into all six gears when the game actually starts. For all the good work the Bucs seem to do in Fourth Quarters, they HAVE to play the other three Quarters...
3) Stats of the game: Third down conversion rate for the Bucs went 2-for-12. That says the team failed to maintain drives, and failed to get more scoring chances. Even converting 2 Fourth Downs really didn't help...
3a) Turnovers combined with Sacks: the Bucs secured only one turnover all game (an INT by Barber, which lead to a Field Goal in the 3rd). The Bucs also had no sacks, which is the very frustrating part. By game 4, the Bucs' defensive front was making a good number of sacks and creating a ton of pressure on QBs. The last two games, however, almost no pressure. Injuries (getting to that in a moment) are taking a toll on the D-line consistency...
3b) The Bucs also racked up 9 penalties, a few of them Personal Fouls that really made the day go longer. The Defensive Hold called on Barber that led to the Saints' final TD of the day pretty much was the capper to a bad game.
4) Another worrying item: Injuries. DT McCoy is out for the rest of the year, which has to hurt the D-line's ability to pressure QBs. These injuries (to McCoy, to Grimm, to Graham) are underscoring a serious problem the Bucs have: little depth at key positions. We're still another year of serious drafting from being a great team...
4a) Hope Saints DB Tracy Porter gets better from that scary-looking neck injury he got in the first minutes of the game...
5) Next week: I think it's the Bucs at home against the Houston Texans. And wouldn't you know it, the Texans are actually GOOD this year (mutter grumble).
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yeah I have a problem with those too
otherwise this site would be swamped with Monty Python clips bwhahahaha.
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
Heh
I chose the Futurama where Calculon says “That was so terrible I think you gave me cancer”.
Yugly.
*spittake*
OK, that made me laugh for the first time since 4:00. Thanks dude.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
thanks for putting this on the front page, bosses
I guess the poll is what sold it…
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
Hey Witty, how is it that you're not an Assistant Coach here at Bucs Nation?
Hell, i can’t recall the last post i read from JaridG or Tahay…Just sayin’
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
I think if I recall correctly
We were either tied or down at half against colts and we were up against the Falcons at half.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
Hopefully we replace Ollie soon but I'm conerned the Glazer's might be too cheap
to hire a better more expensive replacement. It really would be a shame if that happens because this offense is loaded with young potential. Olson doesn’t have the credibility to be the offensive coordinator he was our QB coach and we got screwed when he took over for Jags. I’ll be so disgusted if we keep him after this year
Rahiminik building a dynasty! Stephon Gilmore, Dre Kirkpatrick, Cliff Harris, JayRon Hoseley, Alfonzo Dennard, Morris Claiborne, Vontaze Burfict, or Mark Barron.. Are one of you guys the final piece to the puzzle here? Lots of QB's and OL this year, someone has to fall! ATL & NO don't have picks bwahahahaha
A few possibilities
Brad Childress- Eagles’ OC from 1999-2005, the Vikings have demonstrated that their poor play last year wasn’t really his fault.
Russ Grimm- 20 years experience and four Super Bowl rings, already connected to the team via his son.
Jimmy Raye II- 29 years of experience, worked as OC for us briefly in the 80s.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
by RookTakesYou on Nov 6, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Who would you consider to be good OC candidates?
Honestly, when I brought up those three my prime criteria were experience and seniority. IMO, we could use a greybeard or two to play bad cop.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
Well, I wouldn't really know
The problem with old offensive coordinators is that they tend to be stuck in their ways, and that’s a really bad thing in a league that’s rapidly changing.
How About find a young OC that can become that great coach?
Even the best started out young and in-experienced.
I wasn't too crazy about Greg Olson if you recall...
and that was right after they made him the OC in 2009.
by Cracker Ball on Nov 10, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Leach
The Spread King that can utilize the talent and speed we have on this team. I know some may think he’s nuts but the fact that Craig James doesn’t like him makes me respect the guy even more. He’s the gamble we take this off-season
by GoBuxGo on Nov 6, 2011 11:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is a major gamble.
My initial thoughts
Pros
- Offensive scheme relies on quick routes from receivers that can go up to 4-5 deep, seems to match up well with the receivers we have now.
- From what I can tell he wants to coach and would put effort and passion into the job which a retread coach may not.
- Loves pirates
Cons
- His version of the spread involves basically no running game. It operates completely out of the shotgun. The Bucs most effective drives this season are when Blount has got going behind Lorig
- Many people here have stated that they don’t like scripted plays. Leach scripts his plays early in the game in a design to wear out a defense by having his receivers run hard drags and picking against depth players.
- Is there a reason he hasn’t been picked up for a major job in the past two years?
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Nov 7, 2011 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
Very Good Points
To answer that last question first, the guy basically got blackballed after the incident at Texas Tech. I know Maryland looked at him before hiring Randy Edsall and there were also rumors about Boston College. Scripted play are used throughout football most refer to them as “bread n butter” plays with catchy names like “the annexation of pureto rico”. What to like about Mike Leach is the tenacity his offenses play with and how he can take a guy like Graham Harrell and turn him into a quck hit machine. Most of his run plays came from a variation of the wing-t or singleback set which Blount has some knowledge of being an ex-Duck. I think if there’s a guy that can make the transition from obscurity to the pro’s he can and at this point of the season with the way things look for us on Offense we can use a little crazy becaus conservative gets us kicked in the ass
by GoBuxGo on Nov 7, 2011 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I suppose this isn't really about blame...
but I can’t entirely blame the coaches for what’s happening. I know there’s plenty of “Fire Olsen” going around, but I’d pose two things that may also contribute to these issues.
1) The lockout – yeah, I think it affected us more than other teams, as our roster is younger and in more need of that coaching than some other teams.
2) The CBA – I don’t think most fans look at how much this has affected coaching, but it’s been HUGE. With so many limitations on contact practices, so many mandatory days off during bye weeks, etc. it’s limited the coaches ability to work on fundamentals like tackling. More veteran teams don’t need that work as much as these younger teams do. In college, these guys had so many limitations on practice that coaches worked very little on fundamentals and now we’re seeing the same thing in the pros.
So, our coaching has been limited to no offseason workouts and very few practices with contact to work on tackling. About all they can do is look at film, point out the poor fundamentals and say “you need to change that”… they can’t get them on the field and work on it in actual drills. All of this can also contribute to the lack of discipline causing the penalties (although some of the stupid “emotional” personal fouls have more to do with the players than the coaching).
by Bruce McRae on Nov 7, 2011 12:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree to a point
But some of the play calling is just down right awful. Taking Freeman out on 3rd down is horrible. They need to stop running those end arounds to Benn. They havent worked all but maybe one time all season. Every team every game is waiting for it. Blount having a good game then you stop going to him. On defense how many times did New Orleans throw a screen or a dump out to the flat to Sproles and no one was within five yards. They did that all game and no adjustment was made to stop that. The bucs coaches are being out coached.
by Stormin Monkee on Nov 7, 2011 12:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is where I think we need someone with some experience in the booth on both sides.
I know Freeman likes having his OC on the field, and The Kiffin school of DC is that the DC is on the field too. But it seems like they’re missing that quality on the fly analysis from the eye in the sky. It seems like our whole coaching staff is a little young, maybe it’s time to look at getting some experience in the booth.
Who needs normal sleep patterns?
by AcadianTraverse on Nov 7, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
You can't change OC midseason
You are throwing in the towel at that point. Not to mention, how bad that would turn out. See Jeff Jagodzinski getting fired right before the season for your proof.
Formerly UNFNole
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