Time for a new coach? You bet. And then some.
by ericshysterics on Nov 6, 2011 4:34 PM EST
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PrintRaheem Morris is over-matched. Plain and simple.
Penalties kill every drive. There were seventy plus before Raheem decided to do something about it, making the team run 'gassers,' per a report on the team's official site. It took seven games to figure out it was a problem?
Slow starts? Well, we've heard about them forever, but Rah didn't want to acknowledge them because to give the elephant in the room attention makes it worse. Well, it isn't just the elephant in the room, it is the room.
Per the commentators before today's game, Rah didn't make a big deal about today's divisional game against the Saints because he didn't want to psych out his players. Well, IT WAS A BIG GAME!! I live in Maine and it was on local television. Do you realize how rare that is? It was for first place in the division! And now, catching first place is not even an option. The Saints play five of the next eight games at home, they hold the tie-breaker, and we've already lost to the other potential wild card teams. This game was the season. Raheem can realize that later.
While I'm on the subject of coaches, let's talk Olsen. He runs the same set of vanilla plays over and over. Last year, we put it up with it because the team was young and they didn't have time to learn new plays. This year, it's just pathetic. The offense doesn't have a pulse because he scratches his head, trying to decide which play to call.
Also, someone please bench Freeman. Send him a message. Quit trying to be player's friends. They're getting paid a lot of money and they just aren't getting it done. Freeman's throws are high, he doesn't scramble like he used to. He's just not sharp. I have a sneaking suspicion that if you went ex-post facto on him, there is direct correlation between Free's drop-off and when he started dating that super model. He looks hungover. I bet Raheem is partying with them. Hey, guys, let's go to London for a week and hang out with the cheerleaders and some rugby players. Yeah....
Talib. Sigh. How many times does he have to commit an egregious penalty before the coach yells at him?
The offensive line we paid big money for? Well, they work well. Can't run block. Ditto for the Defensive line.
The point is, this is chimera. The problems run deep, from the penalties--which are always only attributable to a coaching problem--to Freeman and Talib and the lack of free-agency activity. Ten bucks says Raheem fires Olson by the end of the year, a la 2009, to save his job. Hopefully the Glazers take notice.
The Bucs just lost their chance at the playoffs.
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I don’t think raheem is a bad coach, the penalties come because they are young, maybe a bad excuse, but still.
Greg Olsen is a terrible offensive coordinator. That josh johnson play in particular…why? people who have never seen the bucs play would know what they are aboutta do….
the offensive line is actually looking better run blocking then pass protection. But the running game doesnt look good because greg olsen only calls 10 running plays…
the dline was playing terrible and i blame that mostly on roy miller. He is just not a good dt, gets no penetration. Without gerald mccoy or even frank okam, roy miller is just a weak player
slow starts are because of the play calling, which is terrible. greg olsen needs to step it up
penalties....
Stop using this as an excuse, they have been playing ball their whole lives. They all know what is and what isn’t a flag. Like i have been saying all year this team is undisciplined and it all starts at the top with Rah. He is in over his head and should go back to just coaching the secondary. Then he can use his little gimmicks and nick names and chest bump his 6 guys instead of running a whole team and game planning.
I said all of this 2 seasons ago...
but what do I know. Overmatched and underskilled. Should have been given the DC job to prove himself before maiking him HC.
Der
Bench Josh Freeman?
I don’t really disagree with anything in this post except that. Well, that and the offensive line which played very well this season and today. Ditto defensive line when healthy.
Anyway, benching Freeman is not the answer to any question. No, he’s not playing great football (though he wasn’t playing poorly today), but he’s the quarterback this team is building around, and he’s the best QB on the roster by a mile. Benching him accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Other than that this is a very good post, really.
by Sander on Nov 6, 2011 5:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Remember last year how we argued about Olson.
last year a bunch of people said firing Olson would set Freeman back, well we kept Olson and Freeman is playing terrible. So how ’bout it Olson lovers what do you have to say now?
RHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 6, 2011 5:22 PM EST reply actions
Fire olson today
Im dead serious
by Carlitin1988 on Nov 6, 2011 5:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Raheem is not the major problem
For one thing, the Bucs’ players do seem to respond well to him, at least they did last season…
For another, the play-calling on offense is what’s the most horrendous thing, and THAT’s usually the job of the Offensive Coordinator, which happens to be Olson.
If there’s evidence that Raheem is making the final calls on offense, then yeah I would have to say he needs the boot. But for right now, it’s 90 percent the fault of Olson (Raheem’s 10 percent is the overall HC responsibility for the insane penalties).
Time to shamelessly plug my book and short story!
The defense sucks
rahdumb was able to make adjustments against garbage teams like the vikings and colts, today he was totally exposed as the clown that he is.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 6, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
it's on a par with youngry as far as made up words go
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 6, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Rahdumb literally sounds like something he got called in like 2nd grade...
Gotta do better then that if we are gonna have a negative nickname for him.
by RuudAwakening on Nov 7, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
we had plenty of nicknames for him his first year
but the former captain (he who shall remain nameless) kept banning us for using them. From now on I’ll just call him “The Joke” because that’s what he is.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 7, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly the name calling just detracts from the valid points imo
but I definitely understand the frustration.
Yugly.
We're allowing almost 5 ypc on the season
The pass defense is just as bad. The buck stops at Raheem.
Yugly.
The run d is worse than when he took over, I'm telling you it's time for him to go
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 6, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
And I'm sick and tired of hearing how much the players love him
if they loved him that much they would do their jobs and tackle somebody
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 6, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, I disagree.
Raheem is part of the problem. When your players committ the penalties that they do and lack the discipline that they show, that is all on the head coach. He needs to stop being buddy buddies with these guys and kick some a**.
Personally, I would like to see Rah go too.
East Coast Fan
Sooner or later, major changes need to be made
Whether or not Rah is kept on until his contract is up next year, Olson needs to go immediately. We need a full-time dedicated DC, again- immediately. If Rah can’t bring himself to be the bad guy, he needs to find guys who ARE willing to do it on his behalf. We’ve regressed this season- we need to make the hard choices and stanch the bleeding.
Can’t agree with benching Freeman though- he’s the best QB on the roster, and he wasn’t the biggest problem on offense today. The play-calling and inept clock management was.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
Thank you! I was starting to think i was the only one that noticed that clock management yesterday was HORRIBLE!
The end of the first half was the worst play calling/time management i’ve ever seen from a coaching standpoint – ever. Olsen needs to be fired on that alone! Not only did we take out Blount who was averaging over 5 YPC in the hurry up Offense, but they failed to convert a 3rd and short! Why?! Why didn’t we use Blount there?! Was Olsen really in a hurry to hand the ball back to Brees? WTF?!!!
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
I swear we're at a handicap with Olson
as our offensive coordinator. I also wish that Rah would grow a set and fire him but it won’t happen until the end of the season if ever unfortunately. Ollie has never once been a productive offensive coordinator; he was never in the the top 20 in his career. We need someone to groom Freeman into a MVP candidate machine but Olson sure isn’t the guy to do it.
Also think of the potential we already have in other positions with Williams, Blount, Benn, Brisco, and Parker amongst others. I don’t think Olson is the right guy to get the most out of these studs either. Olson is holding back a potentially sick offense.
Rahiminik building a dynasty! Stephon Gilmore, Dre Kirkpatrick, Cliff Harris, JayRon Hoseley, Alfonzo Dennard, Morris Claiborne, Vontaze Burfict, or Mark Barron.. Are one of you guys the final piece to the puzzle here? Lots of QB's and OL this year, someone has to fall! ATL & NO don't have picks bwahahahaha
loss to Saints, so what - focus on next week!
Hate to break it to you but you’d better get used to Coach Morris. Mgmnt has made him their long term project. TPA is a place where coaches are nurtured and then exported to win championships. Who in their right mind would come to Tampa to run a football team? Seriously….just enjoy what you have now. We are still a work in progress. Go BUC’S!!
Beware!!
by Creamsicle Power on Nov 6, 2011 11:12 PM EST reply actions
accountability
Everyone should be held accountable, Blount smacks Will Smith’s mask, are you kidding me have you learned nothing. His you know what should of been on the bench, no question about it. How do get rewarded and put back in the game for losing composure. The saints beat us up mentally and physically all over the field coaches included. Someone needs to hold these players accountable and the coaches.
Obviously their will be no coaching changes during the season. Thats okay!!
What do they do when the season is over, and all the promise that this team had and what they didnt accomplish sticks right in the glazers face?
There track record shows that they will stick with there plan of picking up players only through the draft and not use FA as a building block. I believe that is a big mistake.
What I mean by that is I dont want to see them bring in 20 FA’s. I would rather see them bring in maybe 3 to 4 that can help this team. I honeslty dont think we need many more than that.
They probably wont get rid of Raheem due to the fact that they dont have to pay him much and still unfortunately owe Gruden more money. As far as Olson goes, get rid of the Bum. It is painfully obvious to me and you that he has no clue what to do and has no ability to adapt to the changing situtational scenarios in the game of football. He cant adapt.. Period!!
East Coast Fan
Raheem isnt the problem.
It really is Olson though. Hes gotta go. And Freeman getting benched in absurd. Other than that post is valid.
Raheem is a problem bigtime
we are now worse against the run then when jim bates was here, we commit more and more penalties each year, clock management is still an issue three years later, how can you say he is not a problem? He’s had three years and the team is getting worse not better.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 7, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
The Bucs are much better against the run than they have been in the past two years
Yes, they got gashed by New Orleans. They have generally done much better this season, including some very good performances.
4.8 per carry in 2009, 4.7 per carry in 2010, 4.9 per carry this year how do you figure we are better against the run?
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 7, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Inconsistent, but better
Holding the Falcons to 30 yards, the Colts to 62, the Saints (in the first game) to 70 and the effort against the Lions was fine too (skewed by an end-around). They’ve played four games and have played the run very well in four of them, while failing in the other four.
In ‘09 and ’10 the run defense was consistently awful. Now they’re showing they can play the run, but aren’t doing it consistently enough.
Also, I prefer looking at Football Outsiders numbers as opposed to raw YPC because Outsiders takes into account opponent strength and situation (down and distance etc). The Bucs’ run defense was ranked seventh(!) in the NFL until yesterday. That will probably take a hit, but not enough to knock them all the way down. As a comparison, they were ranked 32nd last year and 28th in ’09.
Well in all honesty
We went 3-13, to 10-6. We are currently 4-4. Thats not grounds to get fired as a head coach.
take away the nfc west and you get 6-10 last year
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 7, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Take away the NFC West and you get 6-6
Last year’s Bucs weren’t terrific, but they weren’t that bad that they’d go 0-4 against any division not called the NFC West either.
Pass defense and run defense are both some of the worst in the league
We’ve invested tons of high picks into this defense, and it is still a disaster. There are countless problems with the coaching right now beyond Olson. The buck stops at Raheem.
Yugly.
I know yesterday you said name calling was wrong, and I agree to a certain extent.
Raheem might be a really nice guy, but as far as I am concerned he is a joke as a head coach. Stats don’t lie, stats aren’t for losers, this team stinks and the stats say so.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 7, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
The name calling just makes the argument weaker
There are plenty of facts to ground the arguments in. Plenty.
Having said that I’m not perfect, and sometimes I’d like to just name call too.
Yugly.
Pass defense has been horrible
I disagree about run defense. I should probably write an article about that this week.
We've been completely gashed in half our games
DET 126
MIN 186
ATL 30
IND 62
SF 213
NO 70
CHI 177
NO 195
Indy just sucks, and nobody denies we had good games against NO and ATL this year. I think it is fair to call that a disaster.
Yugly.
That Detroit number isn't nearly as bad as it looks
Skewed by a big end-around. The Bucs run defense wasn’t gashed. Against the Bears they buckled down in the second half.
Football Outsiders ranked us seventh before yesterday’s game.
I wasn't counting the detroit game as a 'gash'
And I understand we stink in the first half, but that’s not really much of an excuse. In fact, I think that’s the most maddening part of this. We clearly have the talent to be playing much better than we are.
Yugly.
The whole come from behind thing has taken on a life of it's own.
Every week the announcers go on and on about all of Freeman’s come from behind victories. I think the players heard it so much they bought into it as well. “It’s ok to take off three quarters ’cause Josh will win the game in the 4th” seems to be the entire teams mentality.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 7, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Hey its a great trait, and one to be proud of to a point
but you can’t dig huge holes for yourself nearly every game and expect to be a good team.
Yugly.
I know I'm not in the locker room with the team
but with the media making such a big deal out of it, week in and week out, it has to filter down to the team to some extent.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 7, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
I know I lost it yesterday in the game thread when they started in on the 4th quarter comeback crap
so tired of hearing about it, but I’m sure they will bring it up again next game
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 7, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to just win, period.
seriously can we just get the lead and keep it till the end for once? I would like to put the come from behind thing to bed once and for all, you just can’t do it every week, and thinking you can sets the bar too high.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 7, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and that's a big problem
The Bucs are very inconsistent, but have amassed the talent to be pretty good. They haven’t been able to put it together consistently.
Rah is a problem
He needs to be held accountable as HC. If penalties are this out of hand, it falls upon him to impress upon the team that they will not be tolerated.
This is part of why, as much as I can appreciate the rationale behind why Olson will likely keep him job until the end of the season, I cannot understand why they won’t hire a DC. Rah is failing in his role as DC: we’re the 29th ranked defense in the league. He’s having problems in his role as HC as well. Hire a DC and let him concentrate on the HC job while someone else works on fixing the D full-time. No brainer.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
I was one of the biggest Talib supporters but hes gotta go too.
Im sorry he is playing like some doo doo.
Half and Half.
I do agree with firing olson, he just is terrible. And i do agree with trading away Talib. But dont settle for something cheap because he still is a top cornerback in this league. If we are wanting to create a winning atmosphere then we cant be having guys like Talib leading our team. We just need to follow teams like the steelers and patriots, and get rid of players who are distractions no matter what. But freeman and rah need to stay put, they both know what theyre doing, they are just going through the ups and downs like every other person in the NFL has done.
I've heard worse
but I’d prefer that we find a new OC and DC from outside the franchise- we’re too incestuous as it is- fresh ideas are needed.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
No one
has thrown out names so I was just throwing one out there. I agree, I’d rather look outside the Franchise as well, and Raheem does need a full-time DC. It’s not like he can’t still be involved in the defense like he is. It just helps him focus on other things being a young HC as it is.
Agreed
A few names were being discussed in witty’s Observations of the Bucs/Saints11/6/11 Disater thread: http://www.bucsnation.com/2011/11/6/2542802/observations-of-the-bucs-saints-11-6-11-disaster
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
I wouldnt mind seeing and giving Van Pelt a chance for the last 8 games.
By making that change now, would send a message to the rest of the team and since Free is already familiar with Van Pelt, the change would hardly be destructive…
Very nice suggestion Luckydabney7…. BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!
East Coast Fan
Thanks!
Just a thought considering he’s been in the system, I wouldn’t think he would change a whole lot. Just the play-calling aspect of things. (as far as what plays at what time) Doesn’t seem like a huge risk to me with possible upside.
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